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來源: The ESPN 網址: https://tinyurl.com/y85xsobf The final days of the Butler saga, and why it could cost Thibodeau his job JB大戲即將落幕 以及Thibodeau可能會工作不保的原因 by Adrian Wojnarowski As Tom Thibodeau's plan disintegrated, owner Glen Taylor lost his last remnants of belief in this crumbling regime. Taylor had delivered Thibodeau a long and rich contract as the Minnesota Timberwolves president and coach, control of basketball operations and the trust to be a steward of a franchise forever in disrepair. 隨著Thibodeau的計畫土崩瓦解,灰狼老闆Glen Taylor喪失了對這管理團隊的最後一絲絲 信心。Taylor曾經給了Thibodeau一份長肥約,讓他管理球隊,也當球隊教練,相信他會為 這一支始終在重整的團隊當好管家的責任。 Taylor's judgment has been perpetually suspect, from a secret Joe Smith deal that cost Minnesota draft picks to wasting Kevin Garnett's prime to the David Kahn catastrophe. In getting things wrong, Taylor has been spectacular in his mishaps. 灰狼老闆Taylor的判斷力始終是讓人懷疑的,從那樁Joe Smith的秘密交易讓灰狼丟掉了選 秀簽,浪費了Kevin Garnett的黃金年華,到David Kahn的災難。在敗事有餘這件事上,他 真的很棒。 In the end, Taylor didn't sign off on a Jimmy Butler trade as much as he surrendered to one of the most embarrassing episodes in franchise history. 到最後,把JB交易掉這件事的難堪遠不及讓他成為隊史上最難堪的幾個事件之一。 Thibodeau sold Taylor on trading a starry young core and a high lottery pick to Chicago for Butler on draft night in 2017, sold him on waiting out Butler's preseason trade demand for two months. Thibodeau在2017年選秀日讓Taylor同意把他們的年輕核心跟高順位選秀給了公牛,換來了 JB,Thibodeau也讓Taylor買帳,讓JB在賽季開始前的吹密足足又等了兩個月才解決。 He sold him a strategy of publicly excusing Butler's disruptive behavior, compromising his own credibility within his locker room, because Thibodeau believed he could navigate the dysfunction and win games. Thibodeau也讓Taylor相信他的策略,公開的抨擊JB搗亂的行為,讓他在球員休息室裡的信 用破產,因為Thibodeau相信他可以在撐過這樣混亂的局面,然後可以贏球。 Thibodeau sold Taylor on passing on a strong Miami trade package, because he was sure Pat Riley would come back with a better offer, and the league would chase in a bidding frenzy for Butler. Thibodeau讓Taylor相信,放掉熱火提的交易包,因為他確信Pat Riley會提更大一包來, 然後聯盟其他各隊會瘋狂追逐JB。 Taylor kept doubling down, and when he hung up the phone with Philadelphia owner Josh Harris on Saturday morning, Minnesota had lost everything -- the four-time All-Star in his prime, the trade standoff, and ultimately, the trust to stay with Thibodeau and GM Scott Layden beyond this season. Taylor持續加碼,而當到了上星期六早上,他與76人老闆Josh Harris通完電話,灰狼什麼 都沒了--還在黃金歲月的四屆全明星,無解的交易,以及喪失了要撐完這季對Thibodeau以 及球隊總管Scott Layden的信任。 Even at the expense of sullying his professional standing, Butler played them all in Minnesota -- and shamed the Timberwolves into trading him to a big market contender. The Timberwolves couldn't find a team to bail them out of this debacle, and Thibodeau couldn't sell Taylor on one more basketball game with Butler in a Timberwolves uniform. 即使這會對他的職業生涯有所損害,JB還是演足了這場大戲--好好羞辱了灰狼,好讓他們 把他交易到大市場的爭冠隊伍去。在這混亂的情況,灰狼找不到其他球隊可以幫他們, Thibodeau也沒辦法說服Taylor再次相信他,讓JB穿著灰狼球衣,讓他再為灰狼打一場球。 Eventually, Thibodeau had lost hope that he could convince Butler to stay for the long term, but his ego still believed he could coach these Timberwolves into playoff contention before the February trade deadline. He underestimated this saga's impact on the rest of the team, especially his young max-contract players, as they watched Thibodeau excuse behavior and beg Butler to play games. 到最後,Thibodeau終於放棄了說服JB為球隊留下來的想念,但是他的自負仍讓他相信在二 月交易大限前他仍然能夠教導灰狼隊,可以有季後賽的機會。他低估了這場鬧劇對於球隊 裡其他球員的影響,尤其是那幾位年輕的頂薪球員,當他們看著Thibodeau為行為找藉口以 及他拜託JB打球的樣子。 Minnesota desperately tried to cobble together trade offers in the past week, including extensive discussions with New Orleans, league sources said. The Pelicans are limited on tradeable assets, but desperate to find star power to keep Anthony Davis for the long run. The Pelicans wouldn't include point guard Jrue Holiday in its offer, nor multiple draft picks, league sources said. 灰狼在上周孤注一擲的拼湊出交易內容,據聯盟消息來源說,這包括了與水鳥的深入討論 。水鳥沒有太多可以交易的籌碼,但是非常渴望可以找到一位明星球員來跟Anthony Davis 搭檔。消息來源說,水鳥不願意把控衛Jrue Holiday放在交易包,也不願意給選秀簽。 Minnesota passed on a Miami deal weeks ago that would've included guard Josh Richardson, and the Heat never returned him into talks, sources said. Washington wouldn't offer guard Bradley Beal, sources said. 消息來源說,灰狼在幾周前放掉了熱火提的交易包,裡面包括的後衛Josh Richardson,之 後熱火就沒在回電話了;來源也說,巫師不願意給後衛Bradley Beal。 Through it all, the 76ers lurked. When Philadelphia principal owner Josh Harris talked with Taylor at the NBA's board of governors meeting in September, Taylor made it clear that he hoped the 76ers would become part of the trade process. Harris was eager to engage, but GM Elton Brand -- still new to the job -- intentionally resisted for weeks as the Timberwolves whiffed on unrealistic asks for Butler, including finding a third team for Gorgui Dieng and the three years, $48 million left on his contract. 經過了這些,76人浮出檯面。在九月的球團老闆會議,76人主要擁有者Josh Harris跟 Taylor有過討論,Taylor很清楚表示他希望76人可以成為這交易的一部分。Harris很想 談,但是剛上任的總管Elton Brand對於灰狼要交易JB提出的不合理要求拒絕了好幾個星 期。那些要求包括要找第三隊來接Gorgui Dieng以及接手他剩下的三年4800萬鎂合約。 The Sixers initial offer was restrained, letting the Timberwolves choose between Dario Saric or Robert Covington, sources said. Within the past 10 to 14 days, the deal finally included both players -- but no first-round pick. Philadelphia's salary structure made the Sixers reluctant to pay Dario Saric $16 to $20 million annually on his rookie extension next year, allowing them to trade Robert Covington's four years, $46 million to clear the way to make Butler the third major financial investment with Joel Embiid and the max contract that will eventually come for Ben Simmons. 消息來源說,76人一開始給的東西很少,只讓灰狼選看是要Dario Saric或是Robert Covington。隨著過去10到14天裡,交易變成包括這兩個球員都要--但是沒有首輪簽。76人 的薪資結構讓他們對於Dario Saric在明年菜鳥續約要付1600萬到2000萬鎂不是很願意,這 讓他們願意交易Robert Covington,四年4600萬鎂的合約,這清出空間給了JB以及除了 Embiid之外也有空間給第三個頂級約,估計最後會給Ben Simmons。 The Sixers believe they're working out of a position of leverage with Butler. They want to sign him to a long-term deal this summer, and Butler is hellbent on a massive financial score. Philadelphia's locker room is a temperamental mix, and Butler needs to discover the best way to grow his young teammates. Based on his time in Chicago and Minnesota, that apsect of the game hasn't been Butler's strongest resume line. 76人相信他們會找出方式跟JB談合約,他們今年夏天會想跟JB簽長約,而且JB也想要一張 肥約。76人的球員休息室不易捉摸,JB得要找出最好的方式好與這些年輕隊友打成一片。 但是基於他過去在公牛與灰狼的表現,那能力不在JB的履歷表上。 As one league executive who pursued a Butler trade told ESPN, "He has to be on his best behavior [in Philly], and he knows it. If he screws up that team, that'll be three straight teams. Someone will sign him in free agency, but he won't get all that he's asking for." 據一位聯盟高層參予追求JB交易所說,「JB得要在76人有最佳表現,他自己也知道。若是 他又搞砸了,這會是連續三隊。這樣的話,在他FA開始後是會有球隊簽他,但是他不會拿 到他所想要的全部。」 Only the Sixers can sign him to a fifth guaranteed year, and only they'll be able to pay him the most on a four-year deal. The Sixers will get to study his body, and get to measure the medical risks of signing him into his mid-30s, too. 只有76人有能力可以簽他的第五年,也只有他們可以給他最高的4年約,76人將會有機會好 好觀察他的體能,好好評估這會跨到JB三十多歲的約上面的醫療風險有多少。 In a lot of ways, Butler is perfect for the Philadelphia marketplace: tough-minded, fierce and unafraid. The fans will love him. As the Sixers fell behind Boston, Toronto and Milwaukee in the standings -- and July free agency offered no guaranteed solutions -- this deal made sense on every level for the Sixers. 從很多方面來說,JB對於費城人市場是個完美組合:心智堅強,兇猛,無懼,球迷會愛上 他。隨著76人戰績排在青賽,暴龍,公鹿之後--七月的FA市場也不保證一定會成功--這樁 交易從哪個方面來看對76人只有好處。 As Philadelphia ramps up its rise into contention, Minnesota is sorting through what's left in Butler's wake. Taylor considered firing Thibodeau and Layden in the summer -- well before the Butler situation escalated -- and has continued to consider possibilities to eventually replace both of them, league sources said. There's immense pressure on Minnesota's management structure to see dividends on this trade. 隨著76人踩下油門衝入競爭行列,灰狼正要開始收拾JB離開後的殘局。消息來源說, Taylor在過去這個夏天有考慮要開除Thibodeau跟Layden兩人--遠在JB鬧劇惡化之前--現在 仍持續考慮要更換這兩個人的可能性,這交易之後所衍生的效應將會對於灰狼管理階層有 著迫切的壓力。 Thibodeau gambled using every fiber of a coach's short-term sensibilities over those of management's longer view -- and lost on them all. Butler deserves his blame for an unseemly two months that dented the NBA brand, but Thibodeau didn't trade for a stranger in June 2017. Butler was his guy, and Thibodeau will be accountable for the fallout. Thibodeau用他教練的評估炒短線,卻沒看到球隊管理的長期觀點--這讓他輸了全部。對於 JB在過去兩個月的不當舉動損害了NBA這招牌,他應該被譴責,但是Thibodeau在2017年從 公牛交易來的JB不是他不認識的球員,JB是他找來的,他要為這整件事負起責任。 Commissioner Adam Silver disdained the optics of these past several weeks, and that has left plenty of owners convinced Silver is a strong believer in the separation of front office and coaching powers. Silver was one of several league powerbrokers who Thibodeau visited in his season out between Chicago and Minnesota. Back then, Thibodeau sold himself as a rejuvenated renaissance man, promising to bring a different disposition to his next job. 聯盟主席Adam Silver在過去幾周對於這一連串的事件不屑評估,這讓許多球隊老闆認為 Silver是一個對於要分開制服組以及教練團權力的擁護者。在那時Thibodeau離開公牛還沒 加入灰狼前的時候,Silver是Thibodeau拜訪的幾個有力人士之一。那時,Thibodeau把他 自己塑造成一個充滿活力博學多才的人,相信他會對提供他工作的人帶來不一樣的做法。 Thibodeau the coach turned out to be Thibodeau the president and coach: embroiled in turmoil, entangled in needless clashes and chasing today over tomorrow. 教練Thibodeau變成了球隊營運長兼教練Thibodeau:把混亂的局面搞得更亂,糾結在原本 不必要的衝突,炒短線而輸掉長期的結果。 His big score as an executive turned out to be his undoing as a coach. Jimmy Butler's gone now, but the price to get him, appease him and ultimately trade him could cost Tom Thibodeau everything. 他成為球隊管理者是他的重要成就,但也是他成為失敗的教練的原因。JB離開了,但是當 初為了拿到他,後來安撫他,最後交易掉他,這代價將會讓Thibodeau失去所有。 -- 標題 [公告] NBA 板 開始舉辦樂透! 4、雙十 = 兩隊四節打完107比107進入延長賽
1F:→ ericf129 : 大家別抓我 這麼難不太可能開啦><10/10 00:17
2F:推 kenlin0105 : 開4我直接自殺 10/10 00:34
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3F:→ kenlin0105 : 不自殺 想買樂透惹10/10 21:18
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4F:推 samsam80821 : 真的是席包子 11/13 12:15
5F:推 CW4 : 防守大師結果DEFRTG聯盟第29 11/13 12:16
6F:推 Toy17 : 席包子慢走不送 11/13 12:17
7F:推 watwmark : 錫箔看起來帶不動這批年輕人的心 11/13 12:18
8F:推 samsam80821 : 以後還是盡量不要有教練兼管理的吧 太難了 11/13 12:18
9F:→ littlehouse : 席包子要走...這真得是我們懷念他了(毆) 11/13 12:18
10F:推 Despairile : 不意外阿 公牛狂操主力讓人以為他很有本事 11/13 12:18
11F:推 NanaoNaru : 席包子滾 11/13 12:19
12F:→ Despairile : 結果灰狼幫你開一堆權限就爆了 11/13 12:19
13F:→ samsam80821 : 不過如果他願意回去當防守教練 應該還是很多隊要 11/13 12:19
14F:推 LBJKOBE5566 : 在敗事有餘這件事上,他真的很棒 看到這句快笑死 11/13 12:20
15F:推 thb96300 : 席包掰 不然真的要被操死了 11/13 12:20
16F:推 chi12345678 : |ω‧‵)偷推 11/13 12:20
17F:推 sammy5062 : 當年公牛很強沒話說 11/13 12:21
18F:推 flyforist : 科科 快滾 11/13 12:21
19F:推 kenyun : 雖然我覺得遠因是老闆先和糖糖續約 但出錢的最大嘛 11/13 12:22
20F:推 pounil : 灰狼這幾年計畫陸續失敗 就去年弄JB來進季後賽成功 11/13 12:22
21F:推 ddrose : RoCo跟Saric到來會讓老席試試看吧 如果還是帶不起 11/13 12:22
22F:→ ddrose : 來 可能就會被炒 11/13 12:22
23F:→ pounil : 唐20-10續約沒什麼不對 11/13 12:23
24F:推 MARVELHERO : 我覺得現在換來的這包,比以前都好诶... 11/13 12:23
25F:→ MARVELHERO : 但是我不能接受讓JB在隊上這樣予取予求,還不冰他 11/13 12:23
26F:→ pounil : 難道還要放掉年輕的潛力新星 ? 11/13 12:24
27F:推 metalj : 76人給的這包已經太好,給灰狼台階下了,Roco Saric 11/13 12:24
28F:→ metalj : 都差一步成為明星球員,合約的CP值超高,隨插即用 11/13 12:24
29F:推 smoms : Fire Thib Plz!!! 11/13 12:24
30F:→ MARVELHERO : 其他球員怎麼可能會服這樣的帶隊模式 11/13 12:24
31F:→ abyssa1 : Rose挖到寶算是很成功吧 11/13 12:24
32F:→ pounil : 沒有處理好隊上的關係才是重點... 11/13 12:24
33F:→ MARVELHERO : 如果是冰了JB兩個月,換到這包,根本完美 11/13 12:24
34F:推 samsam80821 : 最一開始JB跟他表明要走的時後就該處理了 11/13 12:25
35F:推 remix999 : 這隻球隊的問題根源就是老闆。誰來都一樣 11/13 12:25
36F:→ samsam80821 : 自己一廂情原的相信有可能把JB留下來 越鬧越大 11/13 12:26
37F:推 a86425380 : 你繼續冰有人要嗎 低能某迷 11/13 12:27
38F:→ a86425380 : 軟蛋迷自慰看看這季時有沒有季後賽 11/13 12:27
39F:推 linearppt : Rose今天又上了39分鐘,一方面我喜歡老席會用他, 11/13 12:27
40F:→ linearppt : 一方面他媽的這要搞死他啊 11/13 12:27
41F:推 basketone : 你不能接受勒 你誰 11/13 12:27
42F:推 jack19931993: 錫箔真的是當得挺沒格調的 11/13 12:28
43F:推 alan01006 : 這席包子這樣 不如我們.... 很香的呦 11/13 12:28
44F:→ jack19931993: 上面有人說Roco差一步成為明星? 蛤? 11/13 12:29
45F:推 x4068 : 從給了一顆軟糖頂薪開始,這隊就沒救了,準備搶第三 11/13 12:29
46F:→ x4068 : 個狀元囉 11/13 12:29
47F:推 samsam80821 : 給堂斯頂薪到沒啥問題 11/13 12:30
48F:推 kuchibu : 會不會結果開始連勝了 11/13 12:30
49F:→ jack19931993: 不續約唐詩後面一卡車等著排隊搶 要黑不是這樣黑 11/13 12:30
50F:推 MARVELHERO : AW才是該不該給當初灰狼也很掙扎,不給變空氣 11/13 12:31
51F:→ jack19931993: 一個狀元被講得跟Yi一樣 他的數據就是值大約 11/13 12:31
52F:→ MARVELHERO : 但TOWNS不給是白癡吧 11/13 12:31
53F:→ samsam80821 : 以球隊的菜來說 是還有機會打得不差 11/13 12:31
54F:→ samsam80821 : 但Saric很不像老席會使用好的類型 11/13 12:32
55F:推 taker627 : AW養的這麼爛還續了個超級肥約 11/13 12:33
56F:推 aquarish : 習包子下一站 前往費城組76牛隊 11/13 12:34
57F:推 chrisplash : AW 21歲場均23.6分,沒理由不給 11/13 12:34
58F:推 gogojazz : 當針對JB的防守放到KAT身上時,接下來慢慢看吧 11/13 12:34
59F:推 lu3yao : 席包子滾吧 只想炒短線 控制慾又變態強 有生之年不 11/13 12:35
60F:→ lu3yao : 知道看不看得到KG掛球衣的儀式… 11/13 12:35
61F:推 MARVELHERO : 但AW生涯的PER從來沒超過17.... 11/13 12:35
62F:推 Leaflock : 錫箔可以下課了 換個教練整頓整頓 11/13 12:36
63F:→ MARVELHERO : WS和VORP這些數據,都是慘到不行 11/13 12:36
64F:→ lu3yao : 他當總管能力普通 但當教練真是爛到掉渣 合在一起更 11/13 12:37
65F:→ amox : towns打出25分12板那季,隊上沒有Bulter啊 11/13 12:37
66F:→ lu3yao : 是災難 11/13 12:37
67F:推 samsam80821 : AW那時候是有點掙扎 11/13 12:37
68F:推 pounil : AW的PER不好看 因為他不積極搶板 大概就被當成砍分 11/13 12:38
69F:→ MARVELHERO : 我是覺得灰狼自己也知道,所以當時續約AW拖滿久的 11/13 12:38
70F:→ gogojazz : 季後賽呢(笑 11/13 12:38
71F:→ MARVELHERO : 他進階數據不只是PER不好看,是幾乎都很鳥 11/13 12:38
72F:→ pounil : 的球員而已 算不算養壞是不敢說 大概就跟預期有落差 11/13 12:39
73F:推 leophior : 提了兩次熱火那包.可是76人的明明比熱火的好阿 11/13 12:39
74F:推 Bainite : 呵呵 11/13 12:39
75F:→ leophior : 證明了等待是有價值的不是? 11/13 12:39
76F:→ pounil : 不過還很年輕 續約時應該想著還有發展空間吧 11/13 12:39
77F:推 jack19931993: 執教公牛就只會讓JB打40分鐘啊 本來就過譽 11/13 12:39
78F:推 ke14412000 : 習包子趕快走!!!有夠爛的 11/13 12:40
79F:推 siyaoran : JB換得超好的 問題還是軟糖和JB的關係 11/13 12:41
80F:→ RamonJames : 一直換公牛老將來就有點黔驢技窮的味道了.. 11/13 12:42
81F:推 THEGASTBY : 前有大范、Doc,現有習包子,甚至是禪師,好教練不 11/13 12:42
82F:→ THEGASTBY : 一定是好總管。 11/13 12:42
83F:推 elve7878 : 76人這包很好啊 比開季時交易的那幾包都好用 11/13 12:43
84F:推 chrisplash : 現在看來拿那包換JB虧到爆= = 11/13 12:43
85F:推 iwinlottery : 我覺得席包子沒錯 沒jb這季也就完蛋了 11/13 12:43
86F:推 devil99574 : 慢走不送 11/13 12:43
87F:→ Leaflock : 76這包總管雷登已經盡力了 沒問題 11/13 12:43
88F:推 jacob2430 : 灰狼拿到七六人這包明明就很不錯,結果論來看等的 11/13 12:45
89F:→ jacob2430 : 很值得吧 11/13 12:45
90F:→ WSzc : 雷登可以留 錫伯快走吧 11/13 12:45
91F:推 xo45527788 : 把愛將交易來 最後還被JB嫌棄 11/13 12:46
92F:推 peter89000 : 早該開掉了,防守大師教到沒防守,還死操主力 11/13 12:48
93F:推 ChrisDavis : 不給Towns長約才是傻逼 11/13 12:49
94F:推 ZanyRed : 老闆問題… 11/13 12:49
95F:推 zsp9081a : 進攻取向的nba傾向續約唐斯沒問題,更別說這裡是北 11/13 12:55
96F:→ zsp9081a : 大荒,不續約唐斯是能吸引什麼同等級的球星 11/13 12:55
97F:推 ppo7741 : 玫瑰:...我好不容易打回來 11/13 12:55
98F:→ gundam01 : 就跟馬刺等很久等到DDR一樣 等到有好結果 11/13 12:56
99F:→ gundam01 : 就算JB很好 他不想待開始鬧事就一定要處理掉 11/13 12:57
100F:→ gundam01 : 但是在這期間太放縱JB 這樣對唐斯不好 11/13 12:58
101F:推 viodin : 活該 11/13 12:58
102F:推 jokebrother : 簡崔:嘿嘿嘿 11/13 12:58
103F:推 ooxxman : 軟糖要硬起來了,圍巾已經沒救,上季好不容易季後賽 11/13 13:01
104F:推 ArtTao : Jb其實並不是那麼討厭灰狼球員,只是不爽球隊沒給他 11/13 13:03
105F:→ ArtTao : 大約而已,主要還是老闆的錯。 11/13 13:03
106F:→ ArtTao : JB覺得圍巾唐詩賺那麼大結果老闆不肯給自己大約 11/13 13:04
107F:推 aaron123 : 老闆才是控制狂吧 11/13 13:04
108F:推 e789654234 : 拜託換掉 不想看ROSE被操到受傷 11/13 13:05
109F:推 ooxxman : 席包子的灰牛隊計畫爆炸了,但上季打進季後賽有功勞 11/13 13:10
110F:推 ivo88114 : 我覺得七六人的比熱火好多了 11/13 13:11
111F:→ ivo88114 : 灰狼老闆才是問題根源 11/13 13:11
112F:→ ivo88114 : 然後我真的覺得席包子帶隊真的不行 11/13 13:11
113F:噓 AndrewWiggs : 快滾!拉吉教練! 11/13 13:15
114F:推 DVW : 灰狼這季沒進季後賽,老習的位子應該就掰掰了 11/13 13:17
115F:推 AngelMAyCry : 糖斯跟圍巾難成氣候,不過數據肯定還是好看 11/13 13:21
116F:推 chi12345678 : 沃神的意思是待不到季後就會被炒…我是還想看抓馬啦 11/13 13:22
117F:推 nuturewind : 小layden很多人事權都卡在席大大手上,若要他一起下 11/13 13:27
118F:→ nuturewind : 台其實蠻非戰之罪 11/13 13:27
119F:→ michaelch : JB對糖糖的放話也是恨鐵不成鋼啊 沒有攻擊個人 11/13 13:27
120F:推 bestteam : 可是現在有好教練待業中嗎? 11/13 13:40
121F:→ bestteam : 當初就希望是丹東尼結果老闆請席包子 11/13 13:41
122F:推 teruhyde12 : 灰狼就這樣啦,現在只能花大錢溢價買隻偽一哥放家 11/13 13:41
123F:→ teruhyde12 : 裡供著,賣賣票可以,要拿冠免談 11/13 13:41
124F:推 nuturewind : F.Vogel不知道可不可以去整頓一下你狼,之前在東魔 11/13 13:44
125F:→ nuturewind : 也算是有點背到高層亂的鍋 11/13 13:44
126F:→ nuturewind : 不然找看看你狼學長,目前助教達人聖卡看看 11/13 13:45
127F:→ Leaflock : 小范一直想來 不過不是很看好 11/13 13:48
128F:推 lbalo : 本來老習就該負最大的責任 覺得自己一定壓得住 11/13 14:01
129F:→ zephyre : 溝通不良還不肯斷尾求生 摳連... 11/13 14:11
130F:→ zephyre : 最可憐的失敗者就是不曉得自己怎麼失敗的 11/13 14:12
131F:→ zephyre : 跟在公牛的時候沒什麼兩樣嘛... 11/13 14:13
132F:推 s88532 : 早該滾了 11/13 14:14
133F:推 h760108 : Blatt回來帶應該不錯 11/13 14:39
134F:推 ericlin84 : 席八 席八肚要滾了 11/13 15:22
135F:推 wetrest : WOJ:JB聲仔傷害NBA形象 11/13 15:26
136F:→ wetrest : 前幾篇護航JB不是聲仔的人都到哪去了 11/13 15:26
137F:→ wetrest : 事實上JB從羅斯走後的公牛到現在灰狼都是氣氛大師 11/13 15:28
138F:推 jack19931993: 老基該回鍋了吧 11/13 15:29
139F:→ wetrest : 真的看不懂在護航護什麼 跟我們一起安靜看戲不行嗎 11/13 15:29
140F:推 paul5566 : 呵呵,吉巴去76最好打出一番明堂,合約年自己保重 11/13 15:49
141F:噓 JessicaA1ba : 明明就是 圍巾 糖糖 太阿斗,老闆還要捧這兩隻 11/13 15:52
142F:→ wetrest : 喔 我懂了 現在是分成三派 吉八酸 跟 雙狀元酸 跟吉 11/13 15:54
143F:→ wetrest : 八粉 我們吉巴酸跟雙狀元酸 沒利益衝突 是同一國的 11/13 15:55
144F:推 tliu223 : 然而JB走了之后,公牛的「年輕球員」依然隊內斗毆XD 11/13 15:55
145F:→ wetrest : JB粉好了啦 JB嗆魯長老 跟 盧比歐都忘了? 根本吉娃 11/13 15:56
146F:→ wetrest : 娃 11/13 15:56
147F:→ wetrest : 全NBA還沒看過這麼愛搞氣氛的人 11/13 15:58
148F:→ wetrest : 難怪明明是隊內一哥 還是被公牛趕著丟惹 11/13 15:59
149F:推 YummyMcGee : JB感覺很有76ers范兒,有AI影子 11/13 16:12
150F:推 wetrest : JB要去76人當AI了嗎? 11/13 16:13
151F:推 Artist : 不要同時兼職比較好 看看禪師和河流的下場… 11/13 16:19
152F:→ yeustream : 席包該滾了 11/13 16:45
153F:推 ThreeNG : 禪師有兼職過嗎?沒有吧? 11/13 17:02
154F:→ ThreeNG : 波波是兼職教練&管理最成功的案例? 11/13 17:02
155F:推 sunnydragon7: 禪師是當管理層,也是當得很爛 11/13 17:35
156F:推 motoman : POPO是因為有成績 然後GDP也很配合 天時地利人和 11/13 17:47
157F:推 yayato1231 : 席包上來前就說過會把狼搞爛但一堆人推 無言 11/13 20:17
158F:推 PeterHenson : 教練兼管理職最成功是超賽的紅頭吧 11/13 21:04







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