作者Geigemachen ()
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標題Re: [發問] 電影「亞瑟王」的劇情是否有誤?
時間Thu Jun 23 12:33:00 2005
"Arthur, king, history,post-roman"為關鍵字的資料頗多..
而且給的年代晚於476A.D.,在西羅馬滅亡之後
最關鍵的查法就用亞瑟王戰死之役,"battle of Camlann",
亞瑟王傳奇主要是在此之前發生的事情,用這個時間點判斷最方便..
以"Camlann, battle, AD"去搜尋,
有資料說是515 A.D.,其他講法是537-539 A.D.左右,
但是可發現找到的資料都是500 A.D.以後的,沒有更早的了,
當時西羅馬滅亡頗久了..真的是post-Roman,不是pre-Roman
亞瑟王對抗的敵人就是薩克遜人,請看年表
http://www.angelfire.com/de/BobSanders/TIME1.html
495 = "King" Arthur and his troops defeat the Saxons at Mons Badonicus
515 = "King" Arthur killed at Battle of Camlann
552 = Cynric (a saxon leader but probably part British) took Salisbury and
founded the Kingdom of Wessex
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/
0963743422/002-9331019-3624054?v=glance
The Real King Arthur: A History of Post-Roman Britannia A.D. 410-A.D. 593 (2
Vol.Set)
http://www.jammed.com/~mlb/arthur.html
King Arthur would have lived in the end of the fifth century to the beginning
of the sixth century, with his birth most likely occurring around 470 A.D.
and his death, as related in the folklore, in the year 539, at the Battle of
Camlan. This means that six hundred years transpired between Arthur's life
span and any surviving written account, history or folklore, of a king named
Arthur. Although the majority of the British population in the fifth and
sixth centuries was illiterate, there was a classically educated, 'Romanized'
minority that could read and write, as well as a literate monastic society.
In the year 545, a monk named Gilda wrote an account of the decline of Roman
authority in Britain and the events which followed. Most contemporary
scholars and historians dismiss this source as unreliable and in many places
entirely wrong, in any event, there is no mention of King Arthur in Gilda's
writings. This absence of early written sources pertaining to King Arthur
suggests three hypotheses:
※ 引述《ankokuji (安國寺)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《keku (雲破月來花弄影)》之銘言:
: : 不知道大家有沒有看過去年的電影「亞瑟王」 片頭還說亞瑟王經考證是真實存在的
: : 裡面的敵人和大魔頭就是撒克遜人 那撒克遜老頭目還可以單挑兩個青壯圓桌武士
: : 可是 亞瑟王和蘭斯洛那一批人都是羅馬帝國初探英格蘭的前哨
: : 而盎格魯人和撒克遜人在歷史上 應該是羅馬帝國衰亡從英倫群島撤軍後
: : 應原住民克里特人之邀才踏進英格蘭建立勢力的 算在羅馬帝國滅亡之後
: : 也就是亞瑟王當時根本碰不到薩克遜人才對
: : 就算碰到也是零星的人民 不會是最強大的敵人
: : 所以電影所述的歷史背景根本是虛構的 這樣對嗎?
: 裡面還說藍斯洛那一票人
: 是從遙遠的俄羅斯平原綁票來的薩爾馬特人傭兵咧~
: ==========
: p.s:片中說亞瑟是羅馬人後裔,聯合他那票兄弟留下來,
: 跟塞爾特人一起力抗薩克遜蠻軍
: =========
: 照以往的傳說來講,亞瑟王應該是威爾斯方面的酋長
: 然後壞人是羅馬人
: 這部電影把他的時間往後拉了幾百年
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※ 編輯: Geigemachen 來自: 61.230.130.16 (06/23 12:42)
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1F:推 MilchFlasche:這邊的資料比較像話了。 218.34.140.130 06/23
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