作者Poleaxe (对准备工作的渴望)
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标题Re: [外絮] 史上最引战的乡民:Joel Embiid
时间Thu Dec 14 13:15:37 2017
※ 引述《taylorliao (Page)》之铭言:
:
: The Greatest Story Ever Trolled
: 史上最引战的故事 - Joel Embiid
: Joel Embiid has turned the Sixers' famed process into performance art, and
: everyone is feeling merry and bright -- for now.
: 来看看 Joel Embiid 是怎麽将费城76人行之有年的坦克文化,转变成一场表演艺术,而他
: 又是怎麽让大家的心中都变成他暖暖的文字,洋溢着满满的幸福......至少现在是啦。
: by Ramona Shelburne
: 12/12/17
这篇访谈的作者Ramona Shelburne
这两天因此上了不少广播节目
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8krJO9HZ5U
THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
"Greatest Story Ever Trolled"(2017/12/14)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esPcuNkOxYE
THE LOWE POST
Kevin Pelton & Ramona Shelburne(2017/12/13)
以下就原文相对应的部分
放上她的回应 & 补充的地方
另外尽量补上在哪个广播中的哪个时间
不属於原本这篇文章的
我就放到最後了
★★★
: We've been in a car together for about 30 minutes, driving from San Francisco
: to Sacramento, where the 76ers' irrepressible young star will meet his
: teammates for a game the next night. Already Embiid has made predictions about
: Game of Thrones, this year's NBA Finals-- "[The Warriors] will be ready to go
: seven games with the Sixers in June!"-- and how his own ride on the fame cycle
: might turn.
: 当时我们一起开车从旧金山开往沙加缅度,这30几分钟左右的路程上,而身旁这位精力旺盛
: 的年轻明星,将要前往去跟明天晚上要比赛的队友们会合。在路上Embiid已经剧透权力游戏
: 的结局、今年球季的NBA总冠军--Embiid:「勇士将会跟我们76人在明年6月厮杀到第七场!」
: 、还有他自己的人气曲线,将有可能会转向。
(27'11) THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
作者也十分讶异
Embiid在美国待了7年而已
就知道所谓的「人气曲线」(Fame Cycle)
: "People love you at the beginning," Embiid explains. "But at some point they're
: gonna start hating you. LeBron. Russell Westbrook. All the superstars. Even
: Steph. He's so likable. He does nothing wrong, but some people still hate him.
: It just comes with the nature of it. I've seen it.
: Embiid解释:「大家刚开始都会很喜欢你,但到了某个阶段後,他们就会开始讨厌你。你看
: 像 LeBron、Russell Westbrook、还有其他的大球星,即便像是 Stephen Curry 他这麽惹
: 人爱,他也没做错什麽事,但还是有些人会讨厌他。这就是很自然的现象,我已经见识过了
: 。」
: "I feel like I'm about to go through it. I think it's coming. People always
: want something new."
: Embiid:「我想我也将会经历那些,我也觉得差不多了吧,喜新厌旧是人之常情。」
★★★
: Embiid loves it. When Sixers fans chant it as he shoots free throws, he'll wave
: his arms, imploring them to chant louder.
: Embiid超爱这种亲民的作风,当76人球迷在他罚球时叫嚣,他会挥动他的双臂,鼓励他们
: 在大声点听不见。
: "It's like Happy Gilmore out there," former teammate Nik Stauskas says. "Most
: people like the place to be quiet when they're shooting. Jo's like, 'Come on,
: man, make some noise!'"
: 前队友 Nik Stauskas:「这超像 Happy Bilmore《高尔夫球也疯狂》的电影片段,大部分的
: 人都喜欢在他们罚球时现场越安静越好,但Jo刚好相反,他会说『喔拜托,大声点我听不见
: !』」
: And if they don't, he's not happy about it.
: 然而如果球迷不鸟他,他会不高兴。
: "Oh, he eggs the crowd on," Sixers swingman Robert Covington says. "He loves
: it."
: Robert Covington:「他根本就在怂恿群众这样做,他超爱这样。」
(24'40)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
作者的观察,感受不到情绪的话
(没人对他咆哮、没人为他喝采、和他一样融入比赛)
Embiid不觉得自己活着
★★★
: So he calls himself The Process, over and over, mischievously defusing its bite
: with humor and hashtags but still cutting right up close to the quick.
: 他一而再再而三的称自己为 The Process,很调皮的用幽默+很多Hashtags在那玩弄大家的
: 底线,但弄一弄後又很快地停手
(33:40)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
主持人分析了Embiid的社群媒体策略 —
你先自嘲的话,别人很难拿你笑自己的点笑你
(They can't laugh at you, if you laugh at you first)
: "I'm not doing it to hurt anybody's feelings or create a situation," Embiid
: says. "I just think it's funny."
: Embiid:「我做这些不是为了伤害任何人的感受,或是惹事生非,我单纯觉得很好玩。」
: This is the essence of Embiid. Always flexing. Kidding but not kidding.
: Trolling on social media, trash-talking on the court, playfully tweaking people
: to see what they'll do about it. But Embiid is pushing himself as much as he's
: pushing buttons.
: 这就是Embiid的本质。收放自如,好笑又很靠北。在社群媒体上狂酸,在球场上喷垃圾话,
: 调皮地弄人想看看他们的反应。但其实Embiid也是有很努力地训练自己的球技,就像训练自
: 己的嘴技一样。
(35'00)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
Shelburne认为
Embiid的幽默是因为他有些时候不能把话直说,
但又想说些什麽,所采取的发声方式
这个举动,也让他想成为最强球员的野心看起来没那麽明显
★★★
: "[Embiid] literally almost ran all our bigs out of the gym," Covington says.
: "It was the first time I'd seen him, and for him to dominate like that, it was
: like, 'Well, damn.'"
: Covington:「他可以说几乎是辗压众长人,那应该是我第一次看到他可以那样制霸球场,
: 当时我的心里想的好像是那种『哇靠』」
(31:30)THE LOWE POST
她说Covington的後背包超酷的
是一只栩栩如生的狼
(编按:没图没真相)
因为这个,她才会和他搭话
★★★
: "I think with everything, the main thing we have to do is just stay together,
: because I feel like there's going to be some type of situation where people say
: who is better between us three. And that's how it splits."
: Embiid:「我会什麽都去想,最重要的是我们都能一直站在对方身旁,因为我觉得不免到时
: 会有那种到底我跟他之间谁比较优秀的问题出来,通常都是因为这样而让合作破局的。」
https://tinyurl.com/ybzywf9h
(28'50)THE LOWE POST
"I saw what happened in Oklahoma City with (James) Harden, (Russell)
Westbrook and (Kevin) Durant and I don't want that to happen here," Shelburne
recalled Embiid saying.
Shelburne转述
Embiid说过的话:
「我看过之前发生在雷霆身上的事(Harden & Westbrook & Durant解体)
不希望那样的事发生在费城。」
(应该是指队中一堆潜力股,好不容易长出来了,可是最终解体这件事)
★★★
: "They have a role to play in each other's success," coach Brett Brown says.
: "What interests me more than going out to dinner or being together off the
: court all the time is respect on the court. And the respect is generated
: because you look at somebody and know they care, know they work, know the team
: is in their best interest."
: 总教练Brett Brown:「他们彼此都要去扮演成就对方的角色。让我比较感兴趣的不是他们
: 一起去吃晚餐,或是休战日的期间都一直腻在一起,而是他们怎麽样在球场上尊重彼此。
: 而彼此尊重是可以型塑出来的,因为你可以看着某个人而知道他们在乎你,知道他们可以
: 合作,知道他们最重视的是整个球队。」
: Brown spent 12 years working under Gregg Popovich in San Antonio, and he says
: it took years for Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker, the core of the
: Spurs dynasty, to find out how to play-- and win-- together. Popovich was
: always the strongest voice in the room, Duncan led by example, Parker was the
: beating heart, Ginobili was the conscience. Brown says he used to get emails
: from Duncan at all hours of the night, musing on how to address an issue the
: team needed to work on.
: Brown过去12年曾在圣安东尼奥马刺传奇教练 Gregg Popovich 下工作,而他说对於马刺三
: 剑客 Tim Duncan、Manu Ginobili和Tony Parker这三位马刺核心来说,也是花了很几年才
: 找到一起打球、一起赢球的秘诀- 就好像Popovich过去一定是讲话最大声、最有话语权的人
: 、Duncan则是以身作则的带领大家、Parker是心脏而Ginobili则是的意识一样。Brown说他
: 过去常常在夜晚一直收到 Duncan 的email,思考着怎麽叙述一个球队需要改善的问题。
(30'20)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
作者表示,Brett Brown喜欢跑步,每天都跑
(NBA洪中?)
不少人跑步的时候,会听些歌 or podcast
但Brown跑步时,不这麽做,跑步是他思考的时候
他常常会在这个时候,思考要怎样才能让76人像马刺队一样,全队结合在一起
★★★
: This year that's meant Brown and the Sixers have to bite their tongues when
: Embiid criticizes the way they've handled situations with Fultz, whose
: mysterious shoulder injury has kept him from any meaningful action, and former
: lottery pick Jahlil Okafor, who was finally traded to the Nets on Dec. 7, more
: than a month after requesting to leave.
: 举个例,今年Brown和76人球团就得咬牙面对Embiid批评他们对於Fultz的作法,这位新秀
: 诡异的肩伤让他并没有接受有效的处理,还有乐透签选进来的前队友 Jahlil Okafor,他也
: 终於向球队喊出Trade me後,在12/7被交易到纽泽西篮网。
: "The whole thing with Markelle is messed up," Embiid says. "It should not have
: happened. Obviously, it has something to do with his shoulder-- I saw that they
: said it wasn't the shoulder, but I don't believe it.
: Embiid:「整件对於Markelle的事情真的是乱搞,这根本不应该发生,很明显的,他的肩膀
: 一定有问题,他们竟然说这跟他肩膀无关,但我根本不相信。」
(36'30)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
关於Fultz的肩伤,作者透露,
Fultz肩膀觉得痛
所以他之前没办法用原本的姿势投篮
(37'40)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
Fultz也有把这件事告诉别人
(40'30)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
而Embiid会开始欣赏富儿子是因为下面的故事 —
在接近选秀前,除了富儿子,没人来76人的场馆练球
这个时候,
Embiid问了富儿子一个假设性问题:
「如果你只剩下一个礼拜能活,你会干嘛?」
富儿子:
「我会来体育馆打球,因为这是我能做的最好的事。」
★★★
: In the end, trusting the process really means trusting Embiid.
: 话讲到头,其实相信过程 = 相信 Embiid。
(40'40)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
主持人:
就你的角度来看,我们现在在「The Process」的什麽阶段?
(Where are we in the process?)
Ramona Shelburne说,
Brett Brown相信他们会打进今年的季後赛
Shelburne觉得,76人全队也是这麽认为的
不过这只是第一阶段(Process 1)
季後赛是另一个球季,
到了那时候,又是另一个开始
并不是每一队都能和之前的雷霆一样
养成4个球星,打进总决赛
这是他们还需要努力的地方
★★★
: Seven years ago, the man didn't speak English, let alone play basketball, and
: now he's wickedly funny in another language and one of the most skilled big men
: in the sport. He jokes that he learned English by listening to rap music and
: how to shoot by "watching [videos] of white people." But clearly there's more
: to it.
: 7年前,这个家伙一句英文都不会讲,更不用谈打篮球,现在却可以这麽好笑的运用另一个
: 语言,还能摇身一变变成最有技巧的长人之一。他开玩笑地说他是听饶舌乐学英文、和看
: 白人影片学会投篮的,但其实还远不止这些。
(27'00)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
Embiid是高中才来美国的
那个时候因为还不大会说英文
女职员还称他是
无口男(Big Quiet)
★★★
: Before the NBA draft, his first agent, Arn Tellem, hired a social media coach
: for Embiid. At first, Embiid followed his instructions to post unassuming,
: sports-focused updates. "But unfortunately I got hurt and I didn't have
: anything to do," Embiid says. "I found social media was a way for me to open up
: and show the world who I was and also keep my name out there."
: 在NBA选秀前,他的第一个经纪人 Arn Tellem,聘请了一个社群媒体的指导给Embiid。起先
: 他遵行指导的只是去PO一些没啥乐趣、但却跟体育相关的文,Embiid:「很不幸的是我当时
: 在养伤,又没其他事情可以做,我发现社群媒体是一个可以让我打开大门,让世界认识我
: 又让大家知道我是谁的方式。」
(20'25)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
她提到了社群媒体教练的指示:
☆po些日常生活的事
☆别触碰争议话题
☆别太常发文
★★★
: "On social media, I can hide behind the computer or the iPhone," Embiid says.
: "Internet courage."
: Embiid:「在社交媒体上,我可以躲在电脑或是iPhone後面,我有所谓的网路勇气」
(19'00)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
她表示,
铅笔Boy其实只有碰到
「上场比赛」&
「千年键盘」的时候才会醒来,变成
引战乡民
其他时候,
(X) 他都在沈睡中
(O) 就像普通人一样,是个害羞 & 亲切的人
★★★
(27'30)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
作者表示,
铅笔Boy可以看了Olajuwon高光中的一个动作
然後隔天就在场上使用
这可不是常见的能力
(29'00)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
作者认为,
铅笔Boy其实拥有成为当家球星的一切要素
现在的问题只是他能不能带领球队,更上一层楼
(40'00)THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
以及让自己的比赛更进化
--
另外关於这一篇文章 ─
#1QCD_1LQ (NBA) [ptt.cc] [花边] Embiid的几则外电
Joel Embiid: Sam Hinkie ‘Lost His Job Because of Me’
https://tinyurl.com/y8sc99u7
Embiid说76人前总经理Hinkie是因为他生涯前两季因伤缺赛, 才被辞退的
在下面这个节目中,
有八卦一下Sam Hinkie为何辞职
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JET8nC4zQbc
THE HOOP COLLECTIVE
"Trusting the Sixers"(2017/12/13)
https://twitter.com/NoahCoslov/status/940710380527144961?s=17
Noah Coslov
@NoahCoslov
·
12月13日
From Jackie Mac on Hoop Collective: “someone close to Hinkie & Sixers told
me once that a tipping point for the owner to fire Hinkie was his kids were
getting teased at school about The Process.”
来宾Jackie MacMullan说,
(以下为广播中的原话(38'43开始),不是直接翻译上面的推特内容)
根据一位和76人 & Sam Hinkie十分亲近的人士表示,
76人老板的小孩们在学校被同学拿76人的「The Process」当梗嘲笑,
是让Sam Hinkie最终被炒鱿鱼的其中一个原因,
但这件事是不是最後一根稻草,她就不知道了
後来节目就开始讨论
有没有被(O)嘲笑
(X)霸凌的经验了 XD
--
Sloan, on his team:
"I tell them to win every game.
Sometimes they don't listen."
--
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1F:推 Magdalen : 推 12/14 13:21
2F:推 djviva : 期待Embiid成为我们这年代最棒的球星!! #永远健康 12/14 13:22
3F:推 a19951218 : 重点是他目前打的出来 打不出来就变成单纯嘴炮了 12/14 13:27
4F:推 jokethelife : 他真的很有魅力 12/14 13:31
5F:推 andy82116 : 千年键盘 12/14 13:32
6F:推 e920528 : 推 12/14 13:40
7F:推 cidcheng : 很想看他健健康康的变成神兽,他很讨人喜欢 12/14 13:41
8F:推 greatkevin : 推 12/14 13:42
9F:推 s891234 : 推推特王!!! 12/14 13:52
10F:推 jonestem : 推,好文 12/14 13:54
11F:推 Altair : 超棒的补充文 12/14 14:13
12F:推 e2167471 : 推 12/14 14:45
13F:推 hsuhuche : 推补充。 12/14 14:55
14F:推 Olajuwon : 千年推特王 12/14 15:29
15F:推 CycleEnergy : 没有键盘跟篮球就只是个羞赧憨大个 12/14 16:03
16F:推 iamaq18c : 推推 12/14 16:14
17F:推 yuiop358 : 社群媒体教练是什麽鬼 12/14 16:24
18F:推 js0431 : 篮球最强的乡民 12/14 18:32
19F:推 liVinci : 希望常保健康 12/14 20:13
20F:推 jackyu0810 : 看了隔天就会用 原来是卡卡西啊 12/14 21:31
21F:→ peterw : 打字吧铅笔boy! 12/14 22:41
22F:推 Wall62 : 嘴炮吧铅笔Boy 12/15 00:11
23F:嘘 jack1221 : 想办法健康几季 12/15 21:22