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标题Fw: [爆卦] 宇宙大小被估测出来了
时间Thu Jun 23 14:52:35 2016
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作者: qlinyuhn (59极限) 看板: Gossiping
标题: [爆卦] 宇宙大小被估测出来了
时间: Thu Jun 23 12:31:19 2016
原文连结:
http://goo.gl/N891CD
"Let us go rambling about the Universe." This is the invitation that American astronomer Harlow Shapley gave to an audience in Washington DC in 1920. He was taking part in the so-called Great Debate with fellow scientist Heber Curtis on the scale of the Universe.
Shapley believed that our Milky Way galaxy was 300,000 light years across. That is actually three times too big according to the latest thinking, but his measurements were pretty good for the time. In particular, he calculated broadly correct proportional distances within the Milky Way – the position of our Sun relative to the centre of the galaxy, for instance.
In the early 20th Century, though, 300,000 light years seemed to many of Shapley's contemporaries an almost absurdly large figure. And the idea that other Milky Way-like spiral galaxies – which could be seen with telescopes – were equally large was outlandish.
Indeed, Shapley himself believed the Milky Way must be exceptional. "Even if the spirals are stellar, they are not comparable in size with our stellar system," he told his listeners.
Curtis disagreed. He thought, correctly, that there were many other galaxies as big as our own spread throughout the Universe. But, interestingly, his starting point was a belief that the Milky Way was far smaller than Shapley had calculated. According to the calculations that Curtis used, the Milky Way was just 30,000 light years in diameter – or, about three times too small going on modern measurements.
Three times too big; three times too small – when we are talking about such enormous distances it is understandable that astronomers debating almost a century ago could get their figures a little bit wrong.
Today we are fairly confident that the Milky Way is probably between 100,000 and 150,000 light years across. The observable Universe is, of course, much larger. According to current thinking it is about 93 billion light years in diameter. How can we be so sure? And how did we ever come up with such measurements from right here on Earth?
Ever since Copernicus argued that the Earth was not the centre of the Solar System, it seems we have always found it difficult to rewrite our preconceptions of what the Universe is – and especially, how big it may be. Even today, as we will see, we are gathering new evidence to suggest the whole Universe may be much bigger than some have recently thought.
Caitlin Casey, an astronomer at the University of Texas at Austin, studies the Universe as we know it. As she points out, astronomers have developed an ingenious array of tools and measuring systems to calculate not just the distance from Earth to other bodies in our Solar System, but the spans between galaxies and the journey to the edge of the observable Universe itself.
The steps to measuring all these things are known as the "cosmic distance ladder". The first rung of the ladder is easy enough for us to get onto and these days it relies on modern technology.
"We can just bounce radio waves off of neighbouring planets in the Solar System, like Venus and Mars, and measure the time it takes for those waves to come back to Earth," says Casey. "That gives us a very precise measurement."
Big radio telescopes like Arecibo in Puerto Rico can do this sort of work – but they can also do even more than that. Arecibo, for instance, can detect asteroids flying around the Solar System and even produce images of them based on how radio waves reflect off the asteroid's surface.
But using radio waves to measure distances beyond our Solar System is not practical. The next rung on the cosmic distance ladder is something known as parallax measurement.
This is also something we do all the time without realising. Humans, like many animals, intuitively recognise the distance between themselves and objects, thanks to the fact that we have two eyes.
If you hold an object in front of you – say your hand – and look at it with one eye open, then switch to using only the other eye, you will see your hand appears to shift sideways slightly. This is called parallax. The difference between those two observations can be used to work out the distance to the object in question.
Our brains do it naturally with the information from both our eyes, and astronomers do exactly the same thing with nearby stars, except they use different sensors: telescopes.
Imagine having two eyes floating in space, either side of our Sun. Thanks to the Earth's orbit, that is exactly what we do have, and we can view stars' shift relative to objects in the background by this method.
"We take a measurement of where stars are in the sky, say, in January and we wait six months and measure those same stars in July, when we're on the opposite side of the Sun," says Casey.
However, there is a point at which objects are so far away – about 100 light years – that the observed shift is too small to provide a useful calculation. At this distance, we are still nowhere near the edge of our own galaxy.
The next step up is a technique called "main sequence fitting". It relies on our knowledge of how stars of a certain size – known as main sequence stars – evolve over time.
For one thing, they change colour, gradually becoming redder with age. By measuring their colour and brightness accurately, and then comparing this to what is known about the distance of closer main sequence stars measurable by parallax, we can estimate the positions of these more distant stars.
The principle that backs these calculations is that which states that stars of the same mass and age would appear equally bright were they the same distance from us. Since they are often not, we can use the difference in those measurements to work out how far away they actually are.
Main sequence stars, when used for this analysis, are considered one type of "standard candle" – meaning a body whose magnitude (or brightness) we can calculate mathematically. These candles are dotted around space, lighting the Universe in predictable ways. But main sequence stars are not the only examples.
This understanding of how brightness relates to distance is pretty fundamental to working out the distance to even farther objects – like stars in other galaxies. Main sequence fitting will not work there, though, because the light from those stars – which are millions of light years away if not more – is hard to analyse with accuracy.
But way back in 1908, a scientist called Henrietta Swan Leavitt at Harvard came up with a fantastic discovery that has helped us measure such colossal distances. Swan Leavitt realised that there was a special class of stars called Cepheid variables.
"She made this observation that a certain type of star varies its brightness over time, and the variation in the brightness, the pulsations of these stars, relates directly to how bright they are intrinsically," says Casey.
In other words, a brighter Cepheid will "pulsate" more slowly (over the course of many days, in fact) than a dimmer Cepheid. Because astronomers can measure the pulse of a Cepheid relatively easily, they can predict how bright the star is. Then, by observing how bright it actually appears to us, they can calculate its distance.
This is similar in principle to the main-sequence fitting approach, in that brightness is again the key. But the key point is that distance can be measured in different ways. And the more ways of measuring distances we have, the better we can understand the true scale of our cosmic backyard.
It was the detection of such stars in our own galaxy that convinced Harlow Shapley of its great size.
In the early 1920s, Edwin Hubble detected Cepheid variables in the nearby Andromeda galaxy and discerned that it was just under a million light years away.
Today, our best estimate is that the galaxy is actually 2.54 million light years away. But that does not shame Hubble's measurement. In fact, we are still trying to work out a best estimate for the distance to Andromeda. The 2.54 million light years figure is actually an average of several recent calculations.
This is the point at which the sheer scale of the Universe, even now, continues to boggle our minds. We can make very good estimates, but in truth it is extremely difficult to measure distances between galaxies with fine accuracy. The Universe really is that big. And it does not stop there.
Hubble also measured the brightness of exploding white dwarf stars – Type 1A supernovas. These can be seen in quite distant galaxies, billions of light years away.
Because the brightness of these explosions is calculable, we can determine how far away they are, just like we can with Cepheid variables. The Type 1A supernovas and Cepheid variables, then, are both additional examples of what astronomers call standard candles.
But there is one more feature of the Universe that can help us to measure really extreme distances. It is called redshift.
If an ambulance or police car blaring a siren has ever passed you in the street, you will be familiar with the Doppler Effect. As the ambulance approaches you the siren seems high in pitch and then, as it passes you and moves away, it falls again.
The same thing happens with light waves, on a much finer scale. We can detect the change by analysing the spectrum of light from distant bodies. This spectrum will have dark lines in it because some specific colours are absorbed by elements in and around the light source – the surface of stars, for example.
The further away objects are from us, the further towards the red end of the spectrum those lines will be shifted. That is not just because the objects are far away, but because they are actually moving further away from us over time, thanks to the Universe's expansion. And seeing redshift in the light from distant galaxies is one way of proving that the Universe is, indeed, expanding.
It is like putting dots on the surface of a balloon – each representing a galaxy – and then blowing up the balloon, says Kartik Sheth, a programme scientist at NASA. As the balloon expands the distance between the dots on its surface grows. "As the Universe is expanding, each galaxy is moving away from the others."
"Basically, a wave would normally just be whatever frequency it was emitted at, but now you're stretching space-time itself so therefore the wave looks longer."
The faster that galaxy is moving from us, the further away it must be – and the more redshifted its light will be when we analyse it back here on Earth. Again, it was Edwin Hubble who discovered that there was a proportional relationship between his Cepheids in distant galaxies and how much the light from those galaxies was redshifted.
Now comes the big key to our puzzle. The most redshifted light we can detect in the observable Universe suggests that light has reached us from galaxies that are 13.8 billion years old.
Because this is the oldest light we have detected, that also gives us a measurement for the age of the Universe itself.
But over the last 13.8 billion years, the Universe has been continually expanding – and at first it did so very rapidly. Taking that into account, astronomers have worked out that the galaxies right on the edge of the observable Universe, whose light has taken 13.8 billion years to reach us, must now be 46.5 billion light years away.
That is our best measurement for the radius of the observable Universe. Doubling it, of course, gives the diameter: 93 billion light years.
This figure rests on many other measurements and bits of science, and it is the culmination of centuries of work. But, as Casey notes, it is still a little rough.
For one thing, given the complexity of some of the oldest galaxies we can detect, it is not clear how they were able to form so quickly after the Big Bang. One possibility is that, somewhere, a few of our calculations are not quite right.
"If one of the rungs of the cosmic distance ladder is off by 10%, then everything's off by 10%, because they rely on each other," says Casey.
And where things get really complex is when we try to think about the Universe beyond that which is observable. The "whole" Universe, as it were. Depending on which theory of the shape of the Universe you prefer, the whole Universe could actually be finite or infinite.
Recently, Mihran Vardanyan and colleagues at the University of Oxford in the UK analysed known data about objects in the observable Universe, to see if they could work out anything about the shape of the whole Universe.
The result, after using computer algorithms to look for meaningful patterns in the data, was a new estimate. The whole Universe is at least 250 times as large as the observable Universe.
We can never see these more distant regions. Still, the observable Universe alone should be big enough for most people. Indeed, for scientists like Casey and Sheth, it remains a constant source of fascination.
"Everything that we've learned about the Universe – how big it is, all the amazing objects that are in it – we do that simply by collecting these photons of light that have travelled millions and millions of light years only to come and die on our detectors, our cameras or radio telescopes," says Sheth.
"It's rather humbling," says Casey. "Astronomy has taught us that we're not the centre of the Universe, we're not even at the centre of our Solar System or at the centre of our galaxy."
One day, we might travel physically much further into the Universe around us than we have so far dreamed. For now, we can only look. But just looking can let us ramble pretty far.
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目前的观测数据平均值
宇宙的直径大概有930亿光年
你可以说祂无限大
也可以说祂有限大
就看你要用什麽理论看待/检验这宇宙
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1F:推 ipadmini6: 跟我算出来的差不多 06/23 12:31
2F:→ Firstshadow: (づ′・ω・)づ 原来= = 06/23 12:31
3F:→ gbcowandy: 跟我想的一样 06/23 12:31
4F:→ pneumo: 喔 06/23 12:31
5F:→ theskyofblue: 喔 是喔 06/23 12:31
6F:→ jma306: 比大觉者还大 06/23 12:31
7F:推 s87087: 大宇宙 06/23 12:31
8F:推 smreignqrop: 先推 免得别人说我看不懂 06/23 12:32
9F:→ cul287: 观测大小哪里等於实际大小? 06/23 12:32
10F:→ tokinosora: 好长喔 06/23 12:32
11F:推 iiooii: 嗯嗯 昨天睡前也是这麽想 06/23 12:32
12F:→ roalan: 纳超过930亿光年後会是什麽? 06/23 12:32
13F:推 diding: 我前几年就推出来了 06/23 12:32
14F:推 SE4NLN415: 好无聊 几亿辈子都没办法探索的空间 06/23 12:32
15F:→ brella: 问题是有1000亿个宇宙 06/23 12:32
16F:嘘 dxdy: 早就知道了 06/23 12:32
17F:推 dirubest: 这麽短,五楼尻一枪的时间就到惹 06/23 12:32
18F:推 wang1b: 跟我一样长 06/23 12:32
19F:推 e30901: 先推 免得人说我看不懂 06/23 12:32
20F:推 lunar: 跟我差不多 06/23 12:32
21F:推 wsx1678904: 这不是可观测尺度而已吗? 06/23 12:32
22F:推 fvbcgn124578: 跟我想的差不多 06/23 12:33
23F:推 barbarian72: 是虚空之遗 萨尔纳迦 06/23 12:33
24F:推 system32: 外星人母舰比太平洋大,真的不夸张 06/23 12:33
25F:→ ralfeistein: 观测的宇宙数量不够,不符合统计概念,扣分 06/23 12:33
26F:嘘 gk1329: 不信 宇宙寿命才150亿年 大小930亿光年? 超过150亿光年 06/23 12:33
27F:推 Doub1eK: 嗯嗯 原来是这样 06/23 12:33
28F:推 p610087924: 刚刚在苦读四则运算的时候有算出来 06/23 12:33
29F:嘘 zy116pj: 跟我起床尿尿算的差不多 06/23 12:33
30F:推 syuantsai: 和我上次想的一样 06/23 12:33
31F:→ tonyhom: 外宇宙: 你的小宇宙 也敢拿出来跟大家比哦 06/23 12:34
32F:→ vestal: 那外星人从土星飞到地球要多久... 06/23 12:34
33F:→ gk1329: 的资讯到到不了 是怎麽推的? 06/23 12:34
34F:推 kitty7788: 不合理 06/23 12:34
35F:嘘 sai5566: 宇宙的旁边是蛇某?旁边的旁边又是什抹? 06/23 12:34
36F:推 bluehsin: 现在才算出来有什麽好嘴的 06/23 12:34
37F:→ wste: 这我上辈子就知道了,结果现在还公停留在这阶段 06/23 12:34
38F:嘘 chikan: 没看过七龙珠喔 有12个宇宙好吗 06/23 12:34
39F:→ tony22725385: 原来如此 06/23 12:35
40F:→ deony: 先证明没有平行宇宙再说 06/23 12:35
41F:推 applebeloved: 这我早就知道了只是忘了说而已 06/23 12:35
42F:推 Miralles: 这种事情,还是请示一下上人比较好 06/23 12:35
43F:→ sai5566: 我们宇宙的大小,只是远古外星人世界里微生物大小的等级? 06/23 12:35
44F:→ enjoyyou: 反正又证实不了~~ 06/23 12:35
45F:推 mylo: 比我懒叫小一点 还算OK 06/23 12:36
46F:嘘 jay111101: 宇宙的外面是一间肥宅的房间 06/23 12:36
47F:→ kahabu: 这算错了我的理论是宇宙之外还有宇宙的,只是懒得发表文章 06/23 12:36
48F:→ ranway: seefood早就开示过惹 06/23 12:36
49F:→ lee85313xd: 哦哦 这跟我之前想的差不多 06/23 12:36
50F:推 bt022: 怎麽有人有宇宙一亿年膨胀一亿光年的错觉XD 06/23 12:36
51F:推 chriskai: 有待商榷,我也是觉得不太合理...应该无边际才对。不然 06/23 12:37
52F:→ chriskai: 照这样说,边际的隔壁会是什麽?另一个宇宙?? 06/23 12:37
53F:推 plzza0cats: 宇宙会不会是圆的 06/23 12:37
54F:推 chilahachila: 930*3*10^8*60*60*24*356 的距离 06/23 12:37
55F:→ aelsa: 小宇宙外面是宇宙,宇宙外?是宇宙。释迦摩尼佛说过:一粒 06/23 12:37
56F:推 storyf66014: 嗯嗯 跟我想的一样 06/23 12:37
57F:→ aelsa: 沙有三千大千世界(非原话),依照生命层次决定你能了解的宇 06/23 12:37
58F:推 a15661263: 台湾老板认为这无法增加GDP没有意义 06/23 12:38
59F:推 panex0845: 宇宙是圆的 那宇宙外面又是什麽 06/23 12:38
60F:推 kobe9527: 跟我想的一样大 06/23 12:38
61F:→ sai5566: 宇宙应该只是外星肥宅房间里面的一颗灰尘吧 06/23 12:38
62F:→ aelsa: 宙范围,简单说佛外还有佛,更高的佛,大概如此 06/23 12:38
63F:推 four0428: 嗯嗯 跟我想的一样 06/23 12:38
64F:→ JuiFu617: 所以宇宙大小不会膨胀变大吗? 06/23 12:38
65F:→ ascii: 所以有宇宙边缘人吗 06/23 12:38
66F:→ v7q4: 嗯 跟我估算的有0.00001%误差 可是不错了 06/23 12:38
67F:推 more5566: 应该是此宇宙吧 不同次元还有其他宇宙 06/23 12:38
68F:推 mylo: 为什麽要有边际 你在地球表面找边际试试看 06/23 12:38
69F:→ shi0520: 能够量化的一定是有限大 06/23 12:39
70F:→ fecccc0000: 这不是常识吗 06/23 12:39
71F:推 garry5566: 为什麽宇宙的直径会比宇宙的年龄x2大这麽多? 这不是意 06/23 12:39
72F:推 shenchermi: 好险我都看的懂 06/23 12:39
73F:→ garry5566: 谓着宇宙扩张速度大於光速吗? 06/23 12:39
74F:推 KizunaHoshin: 赶快推以免别人觉得我看不懂 06/23 12:39
75F:推 ksxo: 常识+1 06/23 12:39
76F:推 goiohi: 宇宙外面还有什麽啊 06/23 12:39
77F:嘘 gold97972000: 不懂哪里有挂... 06/23 12:39
78F:推 pytzog: 最後发现 我们只是被外星人养在实验室培养皿里的实验生物 06/23 12:39
79F:推 maxty: 跟我的大觉者一样长 06/23 12:40
80F:嘘 smoker9527: 跟我想的一样 抄我的吧 06/23 12:40
81F:推 nanahala: 也许这个宇宙只是台湾大小呢,其他宇宙存在的可能性? 06/23 12:40
82F:→ mylo: 佛说的就唬烂而已 西方在宇宙中是哪一方 06/23 12:40
83F:→ SiFox: 哪里有卖宇宙模型? 06/23 12:40
84F:推 pigo8032: 这只是可观测宇宙而已啊 06/23 12:40
85F:嘘 wsx1678904: 补充一下 九百多亿的说法好几年前就有了 06/23 12:41
86F:推 ubike5566: 跟我想的差不多 06/23 12:41
87F:推 shadowdio: 还用你说? 06/23 12:41
88F:推 evan1004: 没什麽 跟5楼的宝剑差不多长 06/23 12:41
89F:推 ooxxman: 还在继续膨胀中 宇宙红移 06/23 12:42
90F:→ wsx1678904: 可观测应该只有一百多亿 九百多亿是用其他方法估算的 06/23 12:43
91F:→ wsx1678904: 而且应该是至少九百多亿 可能会更大 06/23 12:43
92F:→ ooxxman: 并可能有多重宇宙 06/23 12:43
93F:推 v7q4: wsx大说的是某党的党产吧 06/23 12:43
94F:推 rain7667958: 还不发射什麽鬼波让外星人来泥巴球玩玩 06/23 12:43
95F:→ makoto0952: 恩恩,跟我想得差不多 06/23 12:43
96F:→ piece1: 直径....宇宙是球体吗? 06/23 12:43
97F:推 computer0717: 赶快推,要不然人家以为我看不懂 06/23 12:44
98F:推 thrss: 宇宙大 房价怎麽还是那麽贵 06/23 12:44
99F:→ gold97972000: 他说的直径应该是可观测的范围 并不是指宇宙 06/23 12:45
100F:→ shirokase: D碟被删的那一瞬间不就都知道了? 06/23 12:45
101F:推 wby0122: 这不是我十年前的论文吗? 06/23 12:45
102F:→ gold97972000: 所以这篇的原PO总结问题很大 06/23 12:46
103F:→ sai5566: 还是说宇宙只是外星小屁孩参加科展的实验模型? 06/23 12:46
104F:→ wsx1678904: 我查资料是说 九百多亿的说法是用宇宙背景辐射算的 06/23 12:46
105F:→ aelsa: 西方是用人能理解方式说明,佛在西道在东。地球在旋转,银 06/23 12:46
106F:→ aelsa: 河系也在旋转,哪有东南西北之分。用人的想法很难理解高层 06/23 12:46
107F:→ wsx1678904: 可见光的话应该只有一百四十亿左右 06/23 12:47
108F:→ aelsa: 生命的思想 06/23 12:47
109F:推 a35715987: 嗯? 宇宙之外有 06/23 12:48
110F:→ matrox323: 跟我想得差不多 06/23 12:48
111F:推 SRNOB: 930亿外面那一公分是什麽东西? 06/23 12:48
112F:→ gdm0037: 嗯 跟我想的差不多 06/23 12:48
113F:推 zoidsx: 反正还会继续大 06/23 12:49
114F:推 ooto: 930亿光年算什麽,用yoyo航空器,一下就能绕到宇宙尽头 06/23 12:49
115F:推 hibbb: 嗯嗯,果然是这样啊!(心虚) 06/23 12:49
116F:→ minoru04: 附佛外道就是等人家科学研究出来才在拿自己讲的穿凿附会 06/23 12:49
117F:嘘 Uwen5566: 硬要扯宗教 邪门歪道的东西滚开 06/23 12:50
118F:推 shen245: 9.3×10^10 06/23 12:50
119F:推 sa7227: 差不多 06/23 12:50
120F:→ phew18: 为什麽算这麽久 计算机坏了吗 06/23 12:51
121F:推 harvey1688: 大爆炸後的时空相对也会膨胀 所以会>138yee 06/23 12:51
122F:推 fishfish1314: 外面就暗黑大陆啊 没看猎人吗 06/23 12:52
123F:推 petersu: 但你妈的大小还在观测中 06/23 12:53
124F:→ green0953: 比我妈还瘦 06/23 12:53
125F:推 logLCY: 干这不是很久以前就知道了= =“ 06/23 12:54
126F:推 AirPenguin: 所以尽头是甚麽 06/23 12:55
127F:→ k1400: 但我的小宇宙是无限的啊啊啊啊 06/23 12:55
128F:→ k1400: 06/23 12:55
129F:推 icyhacker: 他随便说个数字一般人也不知道真假 06/23 12:55
130F:推 doyouself: 930亿光年里,只有地球有生命存在的机率是多少? 06/23 12:57
131F:推 impact999: 哼 这我早就知道了 06/23 12:57
132F:→ miketk: 那最终点是道墙? 墙的後面是啥? 06/23 12:57
133F:推 gold97972000: 适合生命生存好像只有0.0000................0012% 06/23 12:58
134F:嘘 ScottOAO: = = 宇宙不是平的好吗 尽头不一定是一道障碍 06/23 12:59
135F:→ owenkuo: 连毕卡舰长都飞不了那麽远,人类继续反核下去,再过个50 06/23 12:59
136F:→ k1400: 要用(女神的惊叹)打破才会知道 06/23 12:59
137F:→ owenkuo: 年连木星都没办法去 06/23 12:59
138F:推 Chiccoco: 我就知道是这样 06/23 12:59
139F:→ owenkuo: 反核团体就是外星人派来地球当间碟要把地球人关在地球圈 06/23 13:00
140F:→ owenkuo: 的帮凶!!!!!!!! 06/23 13:00
141F:嘘 phoenician: 所以尽头的外面是甚麽 06/23 13:00
142F:推 Drunken5566: 库伯都告诉你有爱就能用重力蒿洨 是在核能发撒小电喇 06/23 13:00
143F:嘘 jackersssss: 嗯嗯 郭p4 06/23 13:01
144F:推 shakesper: 没人反对,所以一定是真的 06/23 13:02
145F:嘘 tony0223tw: 算错了 我当初造的时候有1万光年这麽大 06/23 13:02
146F:推 tiuseensii: 宇宙是(至少)4D的球体吧,这直径怎麽算? 06/23 13:02
147F:嘘 sai5566: 还是说宇宙只是外星电脑模拟器跑出来的model?Y 06/23 13:06
148F:推 s7913964: 有没有很多人不知道光年是距离的八卦 06/23 13:08
149F:推 chukuanan: 佛经里的"三千大千世界"就已说明宇宙多大了~ 06/23 13:09
150F:推 schopan: 靠北 我算的差两亿光年 06/23 13:09
151F:→ Acar81000: END 06/23 13:09
152F:推 sm3bp078: 跟我用电脑小算盘算的差不多 06/23 13:12
153F:→ Skyraker1320: 看看就好 反正观测这早就超过地球人的能力范围惹 06/23 13:13
154F:推 allan0926: 像弦论一样无法观测吧! 06/23 13:13
155F:→ Skyraker1320: 930忆喔 你慢慢跑 就算是有限也永远没人知道外面是 06/23 13:14
156F:→ Skyraker1320: 啥 基本上无限已经没区别了 06/23 13:15
157F:→ kevinwphard: 跟我想的差不多 06/23 13:15
158F:嘘 GodZeus: 嘘某楼 寿命跟大小 哪有关系 06/23 13:16
159F:推 LIHUNGCHIEH: 我小学就知道了 06/23 13:20
160F:推 yeh0416: 摁摁 跟我想的差不多 06/23 13:28
161F:→ Ayenyen: 嗯嗯 06/23 13:29
162F:→ ilove930336: 跟我的屁眼差不多大 06/23 13:33
163F:→ warluck: 嗯嗯 原来是酱 06/23 13:34
164F:→ Shin722: 话说这要怎麽验证阿? 观测光又没走完900多亿得时间 06/23 13:37
165F:推 K0933: 乱讲我也不知道 06/23 13:37
166F:→ Skyraker1320: 唬一下就好了 反正没人知道 06/23 13:38
167F:推 payday: 我说正确的是932亿光年 谁能反驳我 06/23 13:40
168F:→ AGODC: 跟我算出来的差不多 06/23 13:40
169F:推 wolve: end 06/23 13:40
170F:推 nk11208z: 我也这样想 06/23 13:41
171F:推 zx3393: 是球体? 06/23 13:48
172F:推 jack0316047: 赶快推,免得被说看不懂 06/23 13:50
173F:推 vi000246: 所以碰到底会怎样 有墙壁吗 06/23 13:51
174F:嘘 rex9999: 胡扯 要让学界脱假说 除非你能证实 故宇宙大小是未知 06/23 13:51
175F:推 huhu12301231: 从大霹雳用光速走150亿年也才150光年而已欸 06/23 13:55
176F:→ huhu12301231: 150亿 06/23 13:55
177F:推 duck78803139: 先推 免得人说我看不懂 06/23 13:57
178F:推 parkblack: 跟我算的差不多 06/23 13:58
179F:推 Hengle: 我的想法被抄袭了 06/23 14:01
180F:推 jacky6374: 寿命跟大小一样吗zzz寿命150亿光年就不能膨胀成930亿光 06/23 14:08
181F:→ jacky6374: 年了?_? 06/23 14:08
182F:推 kensues: 问题是他在量测的过程中宇宙也在扩张 06/23 14:10
184F:→ threeforw: 文章早就提出了XD 比中华四维拓墣帝国还小一点 06/23 14:14
185F:推 a5245242003: 未看先猜有跟我想的一样 06/23 14:20
186F:推 photoshark: 我只关心眼前正妹的罩杯多大 06/23 14:20
187F:→ tp943308: 先推免得我看不懂 06/23 14:26
188F:推 chaobii: 这很难算? 06/23 14:29
189F:推 ivan761016: 宇宙边缘人表示寂寞 06/23 14:31
190F:推 karue: 朕知道了 06/23 14:31
191F:推 RIFF: 宇宙的开展 比光速快 06/23 14:32
192F:推 chiguang: 估测…我估测比这个大6亿倍说 06/23 14:32
193F:推 mnnraku: 在我的误差范围内 06/23 14:37
194F:推 flow0401: 太神啦 06/23 14:45
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※ 转录者: alen84204 (111.243.6.112), 06/23/2016 14:52:35
195F:推 longkiss0618: 是真的吗? 真测量的 06/23 15:50
196F:推 yvb: 考古文... wikipedia "可观测宇宙" 06/23 15:53
197F:→ yvb: 参考文献 8.(2005年) 和 16.(2011年) 06/23 15:54
198F:推 Bboykeyes: 宇宙一直在膨胀,现在算出来 下一秒又不对了 07/23 21:14
199F:→ Bboykeyes: 原文推文里面有人质疑930亿光年跟宇宙年龄138亿年… 07/23 21:15
200F:→ Bboykeyes: 空间膨胀速率比光速快是不合理的吗? 空间本身又不是 07/23 21:15
201F:→ Bboykeyes: 质量 07/23 21:15