作者julians (Echophilia)
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標題Re: [討論] 讀不出來的詩
時間Thu Apr 21 01:30:56 2005
※ 引述《dale (冰城城主)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《dale (冰城城主)》之銘言:
: : 但還是不能解釋為什麼不能讀成:loneliness -- a leaf -- falls
: : (當然或許是可以的,一首詩之多層解讀之類的,但這時還是希望
: : 有 cummings 的筆記呀──不過,或許我們也因此不會那麼喜歡這首詩。^^;)
: 其實這首詩「無法閱讀」的情況還不算嚴重,
: 與其說是無法閱讀,其實只是沒有固定閱讀方法罷了。
: 但如果延伸到一些現代、後現代作品呢?例如一些圖像詩,
: 真的沒辦法付予聲音的那種(更不用說什麼詩和歌的關係了),
: 這樣還能探討詩的節奏性、音樂性嗎?當詩本身是編輯器
: 而不是「作品」,詩人只是操作者而不是「作者」,
: 那詩的作者是不是變成了讀者?
所以"作者已死"...
No wonder Roland Barthes would say "the death of the author"
and Foucault would like to ask "what is an author."
That is also an interesting question for the author to ask him/herself.
And we still have to take into account the discrepancy, the schizophrenic
intendency (borrowed from Deleuze and Guattari) between the author and
the persona, between the author and the implied author, between the author
and the reader, among persona, tone, and voice.
對我而言,
there is nothing to lament
for every age is lamenting and complaining about the poetics of the time.
And what is poetry? It seems to be the ultimate question.
And the easiest anwswer and the most elusive one is everything is poetry,
everything is poetry, if the reading is poetic...(perhaps too poststructural-
ist here)
至於節奏性, 音樂性,
傳統的詩法雖然被顛覆
可是這也給了我們對於所為節奏以及音樂的新的認知, 意義與想像.
想必blank verse and free verse 在推展的當初
也是相當的受到質疑與挑戰吧
(and there is to some extent the will to power, isn't it?)
Not that form is be destroyed; there is nothing outside form [
c'est comme il n'y a pas de hors-texte]; either form is content (structural-
ism), or we see the revival of formalism in the 90s;
yet the idea, or the traditional understanding of the form can be
deconstructed, can be transformed.
今天晚上隨便翻了Roland Barthes's <<流行體系>>
he distinguishes the "vetement-image" and "vetement-langue"(?),
(I don't have the book at hand right now...the terminologies might be
wrong...or not really the ones used by Barthes himself)
So, similarly, there can be at least two different dimensions of a poem:
the "poem-image" and the "poem-language" (and of course the categories
and the categorization can be infinitesimal).
: 喵……*嘆*
Don't lament, but to celebrate (that's the postmodern attitude).
Let the reader be the author, the author the reader, that's how the parati-
sm, or how the relationship bewteen the master and the slave works.
--
縱然陽光可以帶給人們希望
但也要心中充滿希望
才看得到陽光!!
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※ 編輯: julians 來自: 61.224.53.15 (04/21 01:32)
1F:推 dale:^^ thank you, feeling better now 218.166.85.206 04/21