作者Zionward (123)
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標題Re: [問題] 請問愛麗絲夢遊仙境的作者
時間Wed Jan 14 00:28:33 2009
※ 引述《MRZ (臺大歷史系教授......Orz)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《sginkgo (腐海生福田)》之銘言:
: : 請問作者本人真的有戀童癖嗎?
: 可能有之.
: : 乍聽此八卦我覺得很震驚...
: : 我知道愛麗絲是取樣真人,那作者真的對真人懷抱性的興趣嗎?
: : 那他表達的方式還真是令人敬佩.
: : 謝謝.
: 沒有證據顯示作者Lewis Carroll跟愛麗絲的原型Alice Liddell之間有什麼曖昧關係,
: 頂多拍了她一些cosplay照片而已,不過這些cosplay照片是英國維多利亞時期的上流社
: 會的嗜好,故這方面尚有待爭議也.
: 然而真正耐人尋味的是Carroll生前日記在死後被其家族剪掉某些頁面,蓋上面曾透漏
: 他跟一名叫做"Ina"的女子似乎有不尋常的"關係",而這位"Ina"是誰哩?在他所可能認
: 識的廣大女性親友中,只有兩名女士名叫"Ina",一個是Alice Liddell的姐姐,另一個
: 是Alice Liddell的媽媽...
: 所以有人懷疑Carroll先生若不是吃了愛麗絲的姐姐就是吃了她的媽媽,甚至進一步推
: 斷出愛麗絲可能就是Carroll所不能承認的私生女...
: 禾斗禾斗,反正是八卦,看看就好.
"The Carroll Myth"
The accepted view of Dodgson's biography has been challenged recently by a
group of scholars led by Hugues Lebailly and Karoline Leach and others who
argue that Dodgson's diaries and letters reveal him to have been very
different in many key aspects from the traditional image. Leach's book, In
the Shadow of the Dreamchild, in particular has raised a considerable amount
of controversy.
Lebailly has endeavoured to set Dodgson's child-photography within the
"Victorian Child Cult", which perceived child-nudity as essentially an
expression of innocence. Lebailly claims that studies of child nudes were
mainstream and fashionable in Dodgson's time and that most photographers,
including Oscar Gustave Rejlander and Julia Margaret Cameron, made them as a
matter of course. Lebailly continues that child nudes even appeared on
Victorian Christmas cards — implying a very different social and aesthetic
assessment of such material. Lebailly concludes that it has been an error of
Dodgson's biographers to view his child-photography with 20th or 21st century
eyes, and to have presented it as some form of personal idiosyncrasy, when it
was in fact a response to a prevalent aesthetic and philosophical movement of
the time.
Leach posed a new analysis of Dodgson's sexuality. She argues that the
allegations of paedophilia rose initially from a misunderstanding of
Victorian morals, as well as the mistaken idea, fostered by Dodgson's various
biographers, that he had no interest in adult women. She termed the
traditional image of Dodgson "the Carroll Myth".[36] She asserts his diaries
show he was also keenly interested in adult women, married and single, and
enjoyed several scandalous (by the social standards of his time)
relationships with them. In later life many of those he described as
"child-friends" were girls in their late teens and even twenties.[37] She
argues that suggestions of paedophilia evolved only many years after his
death, when his well-meaning family had suppressed all evidence of his
relationships with women in an effort to preserve his reputation, thus giving
a false impression of a man interested only in little girls. Similarly, Leach
traces the claim that many of Carroll's female friendships ended when the
girls reached the age of 14 to a 1932 biography by Langford Reed,[38] who
Leach claims intended to suggest from this that Dodgson was a "pure man"
untainted by sexual desire.[39]
Sherry L. Ackerman argues that the Carroll Myth also extends to traditional,
mainstream views of Carroll's spirituality.[40] Ackerman proposes that
Carroll, rather than being a conservative Victorian Anglican, was actually a
mystic. She links Carroll to the nineteenth century Neoplatonic Revival in
Great Britain, as well as to accompanying trends of theosophy and
spiritualism.
The concept of the Carroll Myth has been opposed by some leading Carroll
scholars, in particular Morton Cohen and Martin Gardner.
[編輯] “的卡羅爾神話”
公認的看法格森的傳記受到質疑最近的一組學者由雨果Lebailly和Karoline利奇和其他誰
認為格森的日記和信件表明他已經非常不同的在許多關鍵方面的傳統形象。里奇的書,在
影Dreamchild ,特別是提出了一個相當大的爭議。
Lebailly一直努力建立格森的兒童拍攝的“維多利亞兒童邪教” ,它認為兒童裸體基本
上體現了無罪推定原則。 Lebailly聲稱,研究兒童裸體是主流和流行的格森的時間,而
且大多數攝影師,包括奧斯卡古斯塔夫Rejlander和朱麗亞瑪格麗特卡梅倫,使他們理所
當然。 Lebailly繼續兒童裸體甚至出現在維多利亞聖誕賀卡-這意味著一個完全不同的社
會和美學的評估這類材料。 Lebailly得出結論認為,這是一個錯誤的格森的傳記作家,
查看他的孩子攝影與20或21世紀的眼睛,並提出了它作為某種形式的個人特質,當時實際
上是針對一個普遍的美學和哲學的時間。
利奇提出了新的分析格森的性行為。她說,戀童癖的指控增長從最初的誤解維多利亞道德
,以及錯誤想法,培育格森的各種傳記作家,他沒有興趣在成年婦女。她被稱為傳統的形
象格森“的卡羅爾神話” 。 [ 36 ]她聲稱他的日記顯示,他還非常關心成年婦女,已婚
和單身,並享有若干可恥(由社會標準的時間)與他們的關係。在晚年,他的許多人形容
為“兒童之友”是女孩在其後期的青少年,甚至20 。 [ 37 ]她說,戀童癖的建議演變只
有多年後去世,當時他的本意良好的家庭壓制所有證據表明他與婦女,以維護他的聲譽,
從而使一個錯誤的印象一個人感興趣的只是小女孩。同樣,里奇索賠的痕跡,許多卡羅爾
的女性的友誼結束時,女孩年滿14至32年的傳記由蘭福德里德, [ 38 ]誰利奇聲稱打算
建議由這一點格森是一個“純粹的人”自持性慾。 [ 39 ]
雪利酒研究阿克曼認為,卡羅爾神話也延伸到傳統的,主流意見卡羅爾的精神。 [ 40 ]
阿克曼建議卡羅爾,而不是一個保守的維多利亞時代的英國,實際上是神秘的。她聯繫卡
羅爾十九世紀Neoplatonic復興大不列顛,以及伴隨趨勢神智學和靈性。
這一概念的神話已被卡羅爾反對一些領導卡羅爾學者,特別是莫頓Cohen和馬丁加德納。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll#.22The_Carroll_Myth.22
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