作者wake01 (醒來)
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標題[英雄] Riven The hardest carry by Navitar
時間Sun Nov 13 12:37:43 2011
http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=7583
看之前有人翻過Xpecial的,但是這篇好像還沒人
這篇有認為Xpecial不太對,提出一些別的看法,還有圖片解說
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符文
紅:物穿
黃:護甲
藍:魔防
紫:護甲
I run the armor runepage against heavy physical damage dealers such as Garen
and GP in toplane. Combined with a cloth5pot opening and smart play, as long
as you are aware of burst potential, you can easily outsustain many of the
heavy physical damage dealers that you meet top. Because heavy physical
damage dealers generally do not do massive magic damage, I run scaling mres
against them. Flat is fine too, it is better in lane. The difference isn't
too huge really.
當我單上對上強力AD像是Garen或是GP時我就用護甲頁。
搭配起手布甲5水組合,只要玩得好,再加上你有爆發的潛力,
你可以輕易地在持久力勝過上路AD。
而且因為初期他們通常沒有強力魔法傷害,所以藍色用魔防成長,固定也OK,差別不大。
I run the page with flat AD and flat MR against more mixed damage toplaners
such as Udyr. Flat AD is a nice stat to have because of the slight scaling
for all your abilities, but is easily replaceable with arpen if you are only
looking for damage output. When you feel that flat armor quints is not
necessary in lane, Mres, flat AD, and Arpen are all viable replacements
against a more magic dealing opponent.
當我對上比較混合傷害的像是Udyr時我就用固定AD和固定魔防。
固定AD很nice因為你全部技能都吃,但是你追求傷害的話也可以換成物穿。
當對上更偏魔法英雄時可能不需要紫護甲時,就可以換成魔防、AD、或是物穿都可以。
I do not feel that Riven can get away with running dodge in lane, because to
come away with a decisive lead in trades, I feel the extra armor in yellows
is a necessity. Lategame while dodge and nimbleness is nice to have, neither
is a necessity because with 200 armor and proper items and skill usage, the
damage taken won't be a deciding factor and your mobility via your skills
with ult triggered will overcome any minute speed difference.
我不認為Riven可以用閃躲取代護甲,因為在早期換血的時候黃護甲是必要的。
而即使在後期,雖然防禦天賦的閃躲加速不錯,但是Riven靠技能已經有高機動力。
天賦
22/6/2
As long as one gets havoc and 6 in defense, I feel the other 4 points are
pretty flexible. I usually run teleport on Riven so I get the teleport
mastery, and since she does not benefit from AP at all I put 1 point into
exhaust instead of AA savvy as when I do play her with exhaust I am too lazy
to change around the first tier offensive masteries to something that doesn't
affect her at all anyway. :P (more damage taken from Veigar trolol).
主要是攻擊天賦的浩劫以及防禦的那六點,剩下的那四點就很彈性。
因為我Riven常帶傳送所以我就點強化傳送,
而且他用不到AP所以即使我不帶我也點強化虛弱,因為有時候我懶的換。
(點AP的話被Veigar打也比較痛trolol)
物品
起手布甲5水,或是極少數情況下才鞋3水。
I have tried various openings, such as dblade, cloth5pot, boots3pot, null
mantle 2pot, whatever. except for a select few matchups against some casters,
cloth5pot generally seems to be the strongest opening in the vast majority of
lane matchups (especially top, where I feel riven is at home). Even against
casters, cloth5pot helps against autoattack harass (which is extremely
noticeable) and gives the riven player a nice margin of error to work with.
In matchups where the opponent goes dblade or boots 3 pot (not giving riven
the respect she deserves!) you can win via straight attrition. in cloth5pot
matchups, riven's superior damage with no mana constraints usually wins you
exchanges as well unless you take abnormal amounts of creep aggro. In
general, a very safe, a very strong, and a very direct counter opening to
most top laners.
我試過很多開場,像是多藍、布五水、鞋三水、魔防二水etc。
除了對上某些法師,布五水整體是最強的(特別是單上,我覺得Riven單上就像在家)。
即使對上法師,布五水也可以抵抗普攻騷擾(常會發生),容錯率也比較高。
如果對手是多藍或是鞋三水(這便是不把Riven放在眼裡!),你就可以直接把他換回家。
就算對方也是布五水,
你的強力傷害還有不需法力的特性通常也會讓你贏,除非你吸引太多的小兵揍你。
因此通常來說,布五水是很安全,很強力,也是最直接克制大部分單上英雄的開場。
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核心:燈籠、嗜血、水銀鞋、守護天使(守護天使先買配件,嗜血優先合出來)
終期:補破甲40%、IE、最後再賣燈籠再補嗜血
選擇性:快銀
偏向中期爆發的話就買1337和雙多藍
I'll go in depth into items because that is where I feel the vast majority of
riven players go wrong.
我在這部分會講比較多,因為我覺得這是大部分人搞錯Riven的地方。
Lots of people have the mentality that they have to build riven as a "tanky
DPS" with mallet / warmog + atma and other stuff. Whether this is due to
Xpecial's lacking first riven guide (the second is better but I feel
ghostblade is a mediocre choice on her) where he just listed random items
that characters like Lee Sin could reasonably get or a preconception of how
she should be played because she is melee, I do not know.
She scales best with 3 things and 3 things only.
大多數人都會覺得Riven應該走大男風所以給他類似裝備,冰槌、樹甲、atma之類玩意。
這可能是因為Xpecial的第一篇Riven攻略造成(第二篇有好點但是我覺得買鬼刀不好)
因為他就只是隨機列了大男像是李星需要的那些玩意。
他和三樣東西處得很好,也就只需要這三樣東西:
1. DAMAGE. Her survivability and more obviously her damage output scale with
this due to her e and her entire kit respectively. The fact that you get free
EHP out of the more times you cast your E makes building any sort of health
worse and worse the later the game goes on. Her E is so batshit insane that
if you get off several E's in the course of the fight it is more effective
than jax's passive or the vast majority of skills and passives that give free
HP.
第一是AD,因為他的輸出和存活力(e)都會隨著AD成長。
因為你已經有免費的(e)HP,所以當你買更多HP裝時情況就會越來越糟。
他的e是如此的蝙蝠屎瘋狂當你在會戰用越來越多次的e它會超越jax的被動HP效益。
2. PURE ARMOR AND MRES. Due to the fact that you get free HP out of building
massive AD, then to bolster your survivability all that is left is the
relevant defensive stats. Guardian angel is super good because it gives you a
shitton of this, and its passive also synergizes very well with her e and
第二是純粹的護甲和魔防,因為你買一堆AD就會有免費HP,
所以再來要強化生存力就是純粹的護甲和魔防,這也就是守護天使(GA)很棒的原因,
GA的被動也跟e很搭。
3. LIFESTEAL. If you build tanky enough for step 2, then combined with your
e, lifesteal makes you super sustained in fights. You are probably have more
survivability with a decent build that contains lifesteal than some dumb
atmogs build because you will heal as long as you don't get instagibbed, and
with proper AD, an extra 500 damage shield with E will prevent you from being
so. It also doesn't hurt that the item that gives the most lifesteal also
gives the most AD in the game either.
You don't need the mobility that the ghostblade in xpecial's updated guide
gives, as your q and e will let you go where you want in teamfights. You do
like CDR, but not to the point where you would get a ghostblade over LW
against most teams (if even only 1 or 2 people are building armor you'll
probably get more out of LW's greater AD and passive) on a super powerful
lategame champ.
第三是吸血,只要你照著步驟二把他弄硬了,再加上e,吸血就讓你在戰鬥超級持久。
照著AD防禦還有吸血這樣的裝備,會比蠢傳統atmogs流活更久,
因為只要你不暴斃你就可以吸血治療,而有足夠的AD,額外的500EHP也可以保護你。
這也就是買全遊戲最吸也最AD武器的理由。
你不需要在xpecial攻略裡面的鬼刀,因為你已經有足夠機動,qe會帶你去想去的地方,
你會喜歡CDR,但是還是LW的高AD以及破甲40%比較好,特別他是後期的超強力英雄。
She is quite similar to Jax (except scaling from AD only instead of both AP
and AD) in terms of getting free HP from offensive stats, and needs to be
built as such.
他是比較類似jax的(除了jax AP/AD通吃),因為他也從攻擊屬性得到免費HP,
所以裝備學也就應該依循這樣的方式。
燈籠:
gives all 3 of the stats that riven loves (mentioned above) and a free ward
to boot! This is your laning item, as well as being just a nice little bit of
everything until you really start rolling. There is at least one hero that
becomes immediately more sustainable than you with wriggles (udyr) when you
both get it, but don't give a damn cause you will outscale the bloody hell
out of him later. Wriggles will let you farm against any laner as long as you
know when to play passive and when to abuse the imba lifesteal it gives. If
you have immediate trouble finishing your wriggles, you CAN go dblades and
save the cloth for GA later, but you forsake the sustain that wriggles gives
(which makes up for her natural lack of sustain: her base hp regen, while
great, cannot make up for the sustain that a lot of skills and passives that
champs like yorrick and udyr have) as the lifesteal on dblades are much more
ignorable than that of wriggles. You don't get wriggles for the immediate
damage or impact on teamfights though, but mostly as a method to be able to
farm up for your
給了三種Riven愛的屬性(上面提到的),還有免費的眼可以插!
這是讓你撐線的,在你開始稱霸前的好夥伴。
至少會有一個英雄(udyr)在和你同時拿到燈籠時會比你更持久,
但是別管他,你很快就會在成長上超越那傢伙。
只要你知道何時打龜何時善用吸血,你就可以用燈籠跟任何對手互農。
如果你沒法完成燈籠,你可以買多藍然後把衣服留著合GA,但是喪失燈籠的持久,
(燈籠可以補足Riven先天的欠缺持久,雖然基礎回血不錯,但是更多英雄有更強回血手段)
因為多藍的吸血實在少的可以忽略。
燈籠可能沒法給你立即傷害和會戰優勢,但是確實重要的農具。
嗜血(BT):
godly on her for abovementioned reasons. As soon as you get some stacks
rolling on a bloodthirster, you are very powerful in teamfights. Also, if
your laning opponent is unfortunate enough to still be laning against you,
you can destroy him and then lifesteal whatever meager damage he has dealt to
you. You will definetly notice the boost in damage on all of your skills and
e as soon as you have completed the BF, and it will only get bigger as you
complete your BT.
同樣因為上述原因成為超級Riven神兵。
只要你開始疊起來,在團戰你就非常強勁,撐線你也可以把對手趕回家然後輕鬆吸滿血。
當你買了BF(1650)應該就可以深刻感受到傷害的強化,並更進一步帶領你完成BT。
水銀鞋和GA:
both give very good defensive stats, and both of their passives are great on
riven. If your opponent team is full of AD, then you may want to complete the
chain vest or cloth armor before completing your mercs (or both!) for midgame
fights. If you need immediate oomph in a teamfight because your team is
struggling, then you should consider grabbing some of these before finishing
your BT or BF; this is however highly suboptimal because Riven's weakest
point is when she is farming for her first BF sword, and unless you can make
an immediate advantage through winning a teamfight with the increased
survivability, it just lengthens the time in which her damage output is
mediocre (as she scales from BONUS AD). When she has GA completed and BT
stacked though, she is incredibly powerful, doing massive damage and being
hard to focus due to her 150+ armor (often hitting 180-200 lategame depending
on masteries and runes) and the GA passive combining well with her e and
lifesteal.
兩者都有很棒的防禦性,被動都對Riven很好。
如果對方很多AD,那在合出水銀前最好先買雙甲。
如果你的隊伍正在掙扎並陷入很多團戰場面,可能就需要在BF和BT前先把這兩樣弄出來;
然而這是很次要的選擇因為Riven在農出BF前是最弱的,即使你能靠著特別強化的生存力
先贏過一場團戰,也很可能只是拖時間,因為他只靠額外AD成長。
當Riven已經疊好BT而且有GA時就非常強大,可以做一大堆傷害而且不好殺(150以上護甲)
而且還有GA被動以及EHP以及吸血。
LW/BT/IE:
More damage / lifesteal. Order is situational, if they're stacking armor
because they are terrified of you LW, BT and Iedge are both solid choices if
you have the gold as well. I will usually get whichever I can afford if I'm
not going or have already completed LW. Neither is usually strictly superior
to the other if you haven't sold your wriggles yet, but BT is more affordable
and helps surviving more, IEdge is more damage (but I hardly ever feel a lack
of damage at this point in the game). After you get Iedge, make sure to start
chugging green elixers as it really is a huge increase in crit, and if fights
are close (which they generally tend to not be after you finish most of your
core) then red pots as well. Chugging all 3 pots is a huge aid when you're
ending the game or have your build completed.
更多的AD/吸血。順序看狀況,如果對方在買護甲那可以先LW,BT/IE有錢都是好選擇。
當我還不打算買LW或是已經買了以後我就會買可以買的。
只要你還沒賣了燈籠,兩者並沒有太大的優劣,然而BT更便宜而且更幫助生存;IE更傷害
(雖然我很少會在那個時間點覺得缺少那多一點的傷害)
當你買了IE,記得灌綠精煉,因為可以提升很多爆擊,當對方開始進逼時
(通常他們不會希望你完成核心裝),也可以再補紅的。
在你完成裝備以後三色水會是很大的幫助。
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看情況:
快銀:
Against enough suppression or CC, you can grab
this item in the stead of one of your damage items and use it accordingly. If
you have good teammates to peel for you or are skilled at positioning post
GA, not necessary in my opinion as the GA is usually enough to deter a team
from 100% focusing you without your team being able to stop them or take
advantage of the time during which their cc's are on CD. But it does give
more room for error and more ability to bait as well. Even if I did get it, I
would probably sell it for a damage item end-end game; the additional
lifesteal from a BT would usually have more impact on survivability as long
as one didn't get taken from 100%hp to 0% instantly.
當對方太多控場你可以犧牲一件AD裝換這個,
但是當你有好隊友可以幫你削皮或是良好的走位,就不需要這個,
因為GA就夠阻止對方全力集火你,只要隊友可以阻止他們保存所有控場。
但是它確實可以提供更多容錯以及釣人的空間。
通常就算我買了,大後期我也會賣了它換AD,BT通常會在會戰發揮更大作用。
1337:
When you have a lead in lane, especially against those champions who don't
itemize armor early (teemo or whoever) dealing near true physical damage and
having additional CDR is a great way to push advantages to further kills or
earlier tower kills. Also gives you more midgame presence. If you have the
choice between a brutalizer and BF sword though, I would almost always go for
the BF sword.
當你在線上稱霸時,對方又不懂得或不買護甲(像是T毛之類的),
買1337可以打出幾乎完全的物傷並且額外CDR也可以造就更多的推進、塔殺、中期優勢。
但是如果你要我在BF和1337選,我通常還是會選BF。
多藍:
Good in lane, but overall wriggles does more for Riven as well as giving her
a free ward. Would not stack with wriggles, but would get as a replacement
for it, especially if I was getting brutalizer. The pros are more burst in
lane, some extra buffer HP before your E is completely ridiculous (and not
max level yet). Definetly less lategame oriented, as wriggles lets you farm a
lot harder. However this is a valid build, great against squishier toplaners
(Teemo etc.) especially if you've started with a kill or two.
撐線不錯,但是燈籠整體來說更好,還給免費的眼。
不和燈籠重疊,但是可以多少代替,特別如果我出1337。
好處是線上更多爆發力、HP(在你的e還沒起來之前)。
當然更少的後期取向,因為燈籠幫助你農很大。
然而這是可以的裝備,特別針對脆皮單上(T毛 etc),又尤其你已經拿了一兩個頭時。
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Attack speed is nice and does make your combo chaining slightly smoother, but
it is not worth giving up an additional bloodthirster for phantom dancer
because of the additional survivability you gain from the lifesteal and AD.
Due to your insane ratios as well, you will most likely lose out on overall
damage by doing so as well (because of her passive and ultimate, she gets so
much out of AD, even on pure autoattack dps as compared to pdancer, not to
mention her skills). CDR is also nice but not is not as good as flat AD in
most scenarios for the same reason: it is also gainable from a consumeable
like aspd and blue buff also gives it as well should you be able to steal one
at any point. Riven's holy trinity is DAMAGE, RESISTANCES and LIFESTEAL.
攻速很nice而且也讓你combo更滑順,但是通常額外BT還是比PD好,因為AD和吸血的生存力
而且因為你的成長很高,買攻速會讓你成長少(AD直接影響技能,也跟攻速同樣影響普攻)
CDR也不錯但是不比AD好,理由相同:從消耗品如藍精煉和藍buff增加比較好。
記得Riven的三大屬性:
AD、
雙防、
吸血。
召喚法術
傳送+閃現
I think teleport is the most powerful summoner that a top laner can run if
they know how to play with it correctly. It gives you flexibility in early
trades against a laner that does not have it because you can teleport back
and come back with additional pots and a ward against ganks if you feel that
they will be relevant. It also extends your map control to the entire map,
giving you countergank presence in duo lane and your team greater dragon
control especially if the enemy top laner is not running teleport. Of course,
if you run teleport and your enemy is running exhaust or ignite, you cannot
completely dedicate to a level 1 trade (which is a shame because Riven's
level 1 is absolutely amazing) but as long as you can keep that in mind I
usually have very few problems laning with her.
我認為傳送對於單上英雄來說是最強的法術,只要你知道怎麼用。
他給你前期換血的彈性也給你全地圖控制,可以反下路gank以及控龍,只要對方單上沒有
當然如果對方沒帶傳送而帶虛弱或點燃,你可能就沒法在lv1就開始換血,
(這很可惜,因為Riven的lv1交換很驚人)
但是只要你注意一點就可以了,我通常帶傳送都沒甚麼問題。
Flash allows for a r -> flash -> (e if necessary) -> w -> auto -> r active
combo against a opponent who is low hp. Ghost is not necessary because unless
you're chasing an opponent over like 3000 range or something your skills and
knockback / stun is sufficient, and if you're chasing people around you're
not making use of your low cds and the active on your ultimate. Flash has the
most utility and is the best defensive summoner in most scenarios.
而閃現可以讓你r->閃->(e如果有需要)->w->普攻->r宰掉一個低血英雄。
不需要鬼步因為你已經有足夠的控場和接近技,閃現通常最為通用而且也最安全。
點燃可以增加前期爆發力,但是後期你用砍的就很夠了。
虛弱比點燃更通用,在線上換血也最強,如果你真的不想用傳送那就帶這個。
淨化,可以解虛弱,團戰也不錯,咩。
鬼步,因為Riven雖然有Q和E但是並不能穿牆,所以閃現是必要的。
帶傳送也可以讓你狂農,然後在會戰出現,而用力農對Riven來說是很重要的。
會戰當你傳過去時通常對方控場也都用了,這時就可以表演1v5。
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Introduction
介紹
Riven is a highly unappreciated pick right now. Like many other champions who
were not blatantly OP at release, I feel that many people took one look at
her, tried a generic build that would work on a seemingly similar champion
("tanky DPS" in her case), found that it was extremely underwhelming (due to
bad build, lack of skill / comfort with their skillset, and knowing what
comps they fit in best), and gave her up. I feel the biggest problem that
most people have playing Riven is playing her in the early levels and
itemizing her correctly, and if you get both of those right, she can become
the hardest carry in the game due to her insane ratios on AoE physical spells
and her extremely high single target damage with her autoattack due to her
passive.
Riven現在是非常不討喜的英雄。
我認為他就像許多剛出現時並不很OP的英雄一樣,
大家會看一看,然後用類似英雄的大眾玩法(以他的例子,就是大男風)試一試,
然後發現實在不怎麼樣(因為差勁的裝備學、缺乏技巧、不瞭解他的技能還有他的角色)
然後就放棄了。
我認為最大的問題就在於大部分人玩Riven玩不好是因為初期玩不好以及不懂正確裝備學
如果你能正確掌握兩者的話,他就能變成遊戲中最猛的carry,
因為他有瘋狂成長的範圍技和被動加持下超級高的普攻單體傷害。
技能
Q:
The numbers may look mediocre but with 240 bonus ad (which is reasonable late
game with ulti if you're farming well) and ult on each q does 398 damage.
With the fact that it is aoe and it moves your character, you need to learn
how to chain this skill with your others to get to the targets that you want
to while dealing damage. The third q is the most useful because of its use as
a knockback, so chaining two qs and then an e and the last q for a knockback
and thus a free autoattack before chaining in your w stun allows for a great
mix of cc and damage. The good use of this skill really sets apart good and
mediocre Riven players. Due to the fact that the cd resets from the time that
you start the combo, this is your most reliable way to keep passive charges
up. THe additional mobility that it gives you lets you chain q autos as well.
數字看起來不怎麼樣,然而當你有240額外AD時(當後期你農的好而且配上r時),
你的每下Q會打出398傷害,而且是範圍,而且你也會移動,所以你得學習用好以及接好。
第三下最有用因為可以擊退,所以你可以在w前先2q=>e=>q=>普攻,造成大量傷害和控場
這項技能用的好與壞就區分出好的以及不好的Riven玩家。
因為這技能會在你開始連段時就開始冷卻,所以是最可靠保持被動的方法。
額外的機動也可以讓你更好的璉段q和普攻。
W:
With your ultimate on, midlate-game this can do 450-500 damage quite easily.
Combined with the range increase that your ultimate gives you, the damage
that this skill deals due to its aoe is quite large if used well. The cc to
stop interrupts and chase and hold still people fleeing from your might is
always welcome as well. In lane it is the bane of enemy champions that have
inferior sustain to you when you get your wriggles, and it is a great
disengage when the enemy jungler comes round to gank.
當r開啟時,中晚期可以輕易造成450-500傷害,同樣r也可以增加相當大的範圍。
而昏可以斷技或是堵人。撐線只要對方不比你持久這招就是他們的毀滅,也可以防gank。
E:
The skill that sets riven apart from other potential hard carries. The fact
that she has a low cd shield that scales with AD that also functions as a gap
closer / maker gives her lots of flexibility in teamfights and great
difficulty to kite or hard engage on compared to other squishy ad champions.
Combined with lifesteal, armor, mres, and AD, this gives her great sustain in
lane, teamfights, and the ability to focus down somebody with ease.
這技能將Riven和其他carry分別出來,因為他有短冷卻盾,還吃AD,還可以位移,
讓他在團戰更有彈性,也可以放風箏,勝過其他軟AD英雄。
和Riven三寶結合,這讓他超級持久,以及集火某個目標。
R:
The biggest reason for riven's great scaling, the 1.2 bonus ad makes all of
her skills and her passive along with increased ranged on her auto and spells
solidifies her as an absolute beast when she gets her core finished. The aoe
execute function is fun and brutal with enough AD. There are two ideal
scenarios that it can be used in: both teams clash, you get a couple of q's
and a w off, they take significant damage, your team if it has enough aoe
also gets people down low, you ult them, get a kill or two and the others try
to scurry away. Second, you attack vital targets (ADs like cait or vayne or
kog and a support) and when either try to flash away you ult in the direction
they flashed in and the superior particle speed will catch them. Making sure
that you use the ult before the active runs out is a must in teamfights, as
the damage is huge. Even if it doesn't kill anybody the aoe damage on any
damaged target is significant.
Since it scales off of bonus AD like all of riven's skills, this skill gets a
huge power bonus after you get a BF item; it has the highest AD scaling in
the game on its max damage (1.8x on max damage) and becomes stronger than
garen ulti in an AoE after 1 BT.
Riven高成長的最大理由,
1.2額外AD讓他所有技能包括被動,以及距離加成讓他在核心裝完成後變得相當兇殘。
它的範圍機制很好玩,在足夠AD下也很兇。
有兩種最理想的使用情況:
兩隊撞一起,你可以用q和w,他們受重傷,你就r他們殺死一兩個,其他想跑。
或是你攻擊重要目標(像是cait vayne kog或support),然後他們閃走,你可以朝那方向r
而r的高速度會逮到他們。
確定你在r消退前用掉主動技,這在團戰是必要的,因為那傷害很高。
即使沒殺到任何人,造成的傷害還是很大。
就像其他技能它隨著額外AD成長,買了BF以後會有顯著成長,
它的最大傷害也有遊戲中最高的AD成長(1.8x最大傷害),
在你買了1BT後這招會變得比garen R更強而且還是範圍技。
技能順序
R>W>E>Q
with 1 level in Q.
There are a few select lanes in which E>W is okay (low cd pokes) but in those
lanes if you are ahead it is often easier to just push your advantage with W
exchanges instead.
Maxing W lets you have more impact in dragon teamfights in particular, as
well as having similar effects in trades in lane with e.
E and W's cd scale with levels whereas q's doesn't, and all retain the same
AD scaling at all levels. Making sure that you have 1 point in each by level
3 is important.
有時候我會選擇E>W,但是如果你領先,W會讓你更拓展優勢。
w先會讓你在龍戰有更多作用,線上交換搭配e也很有效。
E和W的冷卻會隨等級降低,q不會,AD成長也不會變。在lv3時確定自己都有一點技能。
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Early Game
早期
Riven's level 1 is terrifying. It should not be played passively if possible.
With flat AD quints and the masteries above, your passive gives you 10
additional damage on an autoattack with it charged, each q does 37 damage per
hit, and she has 67 base damage on her autoattack.
Riven的lv1很強,如果可能就不應該玩龜。
搭配紫AD和天賦,你的被動有10AD,每下q有37傷害,還有67基本普攻。
So before resistances, if she gets a full combo with q auto q auto q auto
off, she deals 342 damage total. That is quite a bit. Of course, with
resistances and a margin of error of one less autoattack, it will come out to
less, but it is still extremely formidable.
所以在不計護甲前,q=>a三次可以造成342傷害,實在不少。
當然對方會有護甲,你也可能出錯少打,實際會更少,然而還是很大的數字。
As Riven, you want to general take creep advantage level 1 or 2. Even if it
means that you eat a little poke, suck it up and push the wave so that you
will hit level 2 before the opponent (or at least get rid of the melee
minions as early as possible). From there you can push your advantage and go
aggressive with your q.
Riven在lv1~2應該要獲得推兵優勢。
即使代表你會被戳幾下,吞下去然後繼續推,所以你就可以先到lv2。
(或是至少先把近戰兵先吃掉)
然後你就可以取得優勢然後用q打侵略。
If you hit level 2 before your opponent and have already gotten level 1
damage on him, you can go again and chain in your w when you feel necessary.
He should be near dead and forced to pop a pot. By nature of this kind of
aggression, you are a target for ganks, so it is good to be wary of where the
enemy jungler has started / is at any given time. If you feel the threat of
being ganked early is very high, you might even request cvs / wards being put
down by your support for toplane. Aside from ganks, there are relatively few
lanes that you should lose straight up top lane if you open cloth5pot. The
one thing to be wary of is if you run teleport to not go full retard against
an opponent with exhaust or ignite, and to know your limits. This requires a
little bit of falling and getting back up again (i.e. playing certain
matchups until you know your limits and theirs) but once you have a good feel
for it you can do well.
如果你比對手先lv2,並且已經在lv1時打過他,必要時就可以繼續用w連段他,
他這時候應該就會死了被強迫喝水。
照著這樣走,你會成為gank的目標,所以你必須要注意對方jungler的動向。
如果你覺得要被gank了,就應該要求cv或是眼。
只要你起手衣五水而且沒被gank,你應該不會輸線,
只要你帶傳送不和虛弱或點燃的對手硬幹,了解自己的極限。
這會需要經驗和失敗,但是會越做越好。
(下方,單上對抗瞎子圖)
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Mid Game
中期
You have several options in the midgame.
你有幾個選項
1. Continue trading farm. Seeing as you scale harder than just about anybody
top, this trade usually comes out in your favor.
繼續交換農,因為你比所有單上英雄成長高,所以多農多健康。
2. If you have teleport and they don't (whether it is down or if they did not
take the summoner): try to push the wave / send your opponent back if
possible. If not, then you may take tower damage / lose tower. Use your
judgement to see if this is a good trade or not. Ask your team to start
dragon, and teleport and win the fight there. If the opponents start a
dragon, tell your team to keep a spare ward on them in case if enemy clears
the wards and teleport to a ward that is placed during the fight, and clean
up.
如果你有傳送而對方沒有(或是對方在冷卻),盡量推線讓對方回來。
然後要求隊伍吃龍,然後傳送過去打贏龍戰,
如果對方開始吃龍並且把眼清掉,記得叫隊友插讓你傳。
3. If you both have teleport: will the opponent be stronger than you in a 5v5
fight? Because your w and q and r are aoe, if it comes down to a 5v5
engagement, the answer that may surprise you is that they usually will not be
assuming similar farm.
如果雙方都有傳送,對方會不會在5v5比你強?
因為你的wqr都是範圍,只要雙方農的差不多,你都很可能會贏。
(下圖:Riven大膽傳進4敵中央的眼)
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Late Game
後期
She is stronger than ANYBODY as long as you position and play yourself
somewhat like what you really are, the hardest (aoe) carry in the game.
Unless you are the absolute tankiest person on your team you don't run in
like a "tanky DPS". Let your teammates soak up the engagement cc, whether
that be tibbers or galio ultimate. If you can avoid the majority of AoE cc
and can get in a position to deal damage, you have done your job. Your e and
q give you massive mobility, even through slows. As long as you're whacking
something, you are doing your job. If you are whacking a squishy, even better
for you. Her single target DPS, while amazing with her passive and ult on, is
not her greatest strength. Her AoE damage in q, w, and r can easily add up to
the thousands in teamfights with good application.
只要你走位和玩的好,身為最強的範圍carry,你會比任何人還要強。
除非你就只是隊伍唯一能坦的人,不要像個大男一樣衝進去。
讓讓隊友把控場吸一吸,像是熊熊或galio R。
如果你能避開主要的傷害範圍技又找到好的輸出位置,你就已經做好工作了。
qe讓你有高機動力,只要你在扁甚麼東西,就是在盡本份了,如果是脆皮carry就更好。
他的單體傷害並不是最大亮點,經過範圍的qwr加值才是。
(下圖:我超強就像nerf前的老鼠)
Even if the team is more spread out, if they are focusing anybody other than
you it is usually very easy to land your aoe on 3-4 people with the range
increase on her skills from her ult.
即使對方散的開一點,只要他們在集火不是你的目標,
通常你靠r都可以容易的範圍技打到3~4人。
If I haven't sold you yet, here are some numbers. With a completed build, I
see myself doing 1300-1400 damage crits lategame with passive and ult on, not
to mention the 500 damage aoe nuke ministun on w (which is actually
incredibly useful in teamfights, if your team has an aoe ultimate it is a
really good setup / channel interrupt as well as dumb aoe damage on low cd),
500 damage shield on a super low cd esp with blue elixir and or buff (when
you can shield every 4 seconds for 500 damage that adds up VERY quickly), and
of course her ult which executes anybody who flashes away from your initial
qwe damage or their entire team if they attempt to stand and fight. Lategame,
as long as you take away their health to about 25-35%, her ultimate almost
always lands a kill with enough AD, even against semitanky champions.
如果我還沒出售你,這裡就有數字。
當你到完全體,靠著被動和r我看到自己爆擊1300-1400,還有w的500範圍傷害(以及短cd)
500超短cd盾(當你有藍精煉和buff,每4秒就有500盾非常恐怖)
而且他的r還可以斬殺任何重傷飛走的敵人。
後期只要你能打掉他們HP到25%-35%,這時有足夠AD r就可以拿到頭,就算對方是大男。
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Team Fights
團戰
Don't just blindly r->qqqweqqweqweqweqweqwe. Getting the most out of
lifesteal and your insane 1.8 scaling on your autoattacks is what makes or
breaks a Riven player. Of course if you can be autoattacking and using your
skills on the enemy Caitlyn or Vayne, do so (and she is really exceptional at
taking them down). However, most reasonable teamfights start off with the two
teams hitting each other and the enemy ad and support starting off to the
side away from you. You can start off with a q or two and your ult turned on,
and if the ad ever hits you while you're not cc'd, use your e and the third q
to jump on them, autoattack, w, and then try to land your ult on as many
people as possible. Don't charge super blindly though, and don't be the first
to soak up all of the aoe cc. Use positioning, common sense, and your flash
to do what you need to do.
不要盲目地r->qqqweqqweqweqweqweqwe。
你要讓吸血和1.8成長普攻盡到最大作用。
當然如果你正在打cait或vayne那麼這麼作就OK。
然而,更可能的開戰是雙方先交火,對方AD和support站遠離你。
這時你可以用1~2q然後開r,然後只要對方ad射你你又不是被控時,
e->q跳過去a->w然後盡可能把r放在最多人身上。
不要盲目地衝刺,不要當第一個吸範圍控場的人。
使用你的走位技巧、常識、閃現,完成你應該做的。
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Final Comments
最後感想
Most games don't run out long enough that you will get all 6 items, but if it
ever does and your teamcomp is not terrible, you should win, because you
scale so hard. She has incredible scaling, to the point of which trading farm
with anybody is a good trade for Riven's team while looking in the lategame,
and needs to be played and built as such to get full effectiveness out of her.
通常遊戲不會到讓你買6裝備,但如果發展到這地步,你的隊伍組合也不糟,你就會贏,
因為你成長很高。他有超強成長,所以跟人交換農對Riven和他的隊伍都是好的,
而且以必須有好的裝備學和玩法才能達到最大效率。
Please try playing Riven several times before hating on this guide, she is
surprisingly tanky with the above build while doing massive damage. Please
leave any helpful feedback. I hope people will flame me less for picking
Riven if people try this guide and like her.
在吐我前麻煩先玩過Riven幾次,靠著上面裝備他打出一堆傷害也有強大生存力。
有有用的意見請留,希望有人照這玩了以後,我再選Riven不會有人嘴砲我。
Thanks for taking the time to read this massive wall of text, and hoping to
see you in game!
感謝閱讀這一整牆字,希望在遊戲看到你!
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1F:推 DooDooLoo :好 下一個就是你了 出來吧 雷蚊!! 11/13 12:41
2F:→ robo3456 :westrice把雷紋玩的超神之後,選雷紋也不會被嗆了 11/13 12:44
3F:→ a23017174 :我前幾天Rank選雷玟單上還是被噹了~ 11/13 12:45
4F:推 nornor0415 :這篇基本上就是西米流,超級可怕的傷害 11/13 12:46
5F:→ chunyulai :這篇的確點出了許多人Riven還買冰槌好戰的迷思 11/13 12:47
6F:→ chunyulai :Riven的E吃AD吃這麼大 不善用紙是浪費角色優勢 11/13 12:47
7F:推 DooDooLoo :不過昨天吸弭被暴君打爆 超慘 XD 11/13 12:48
8F:推 sunny1991225:Riven solo top很可怕 11/13 12:48
9F:→ chunyulai :要出坦裝請去玩Irelia 11/13 12:48
10F:→ sunny1991225:之前用猴子碰到傷害流Riven被打殘Orz 11/13 12:48
11F:→ sunny1991225:換血完全換不贏 11/13 12:49
12F:推 a2364983 :Xpecial玩這隻沒幾場就寫那攻略了 他當初說還不熟 11/13 12:50
13F:→ a2364983 :他那篇只是說幫沒玩過的入門較快而已 11/13 12:50
14F:推 johnnyjaiu :最近我都玩雷玟江狗,符文全AD,起手多蘭劍 11/13 12:51
15F:→ chunyulai :Riven jungle......... 11/13 12:51
16F:→ johnnyjaiu :吃完雙石像上lv2就去gank 11/13 12:51
17F:推 sunny1991225:跟Riven對線最可怕的就是估不準他的物理爆發能到 11/13 12:52
18F:→ sunny1991225:什麼程度 11/13 12:52
19F:推 lrac :單上還滿兇的 雖然目前通常都是只剩江狗位子給雷玟 11/13 12:53
20F:推 iamnodoubt :其實我不懂的是近戰用攻擊天賦的havoc ,所有傷害多4% 11/13 12:54
21F:→ iamnodoubt :ok假設傷害500加上havoc的4%,多了20的傷害,這還要算 11/13 12:55
22F:→ chunyulai :如果只剩jungle位子 我都會拜託隊友別選Riven... 11/13 12:57
23F:推 iamnodoubt :傷減,而且又不是遠攻的有隊友可以保護又可以遠遠打 11/13 12:58
24F:推 RobertAlexy :近戰AD都是拼爆發力的 11/13 12:59
25F:→ lrac :我覺得他江狗gank還不錯阿 11/13 12:59
26F:推 enchyi :好大一篇...超PRO =ˇ= 11/13 12:59
27F:→ iamnodoubt :而且近戰都有一個很大的問題就是,初期的壓線強度跟農 11/13 12:59
28F:→ enchyi :Riven照他這樣玩真的頗強大的... 11/13 13:00
29F:→ iamnodoubt :裝能力..攻擊天賦初期很軟..蠻王應該算例外..因為他 11/13 13:01
30F:推 soulsoul0421:EG在比賽都會出riven jungle了 看不懂chun反對的點 11/13 13:02
31F:推 nornor0415 :riven的 AD Scale就是高,所以成長很可怕 11/13 13:02
32F:→ iamnodoubt :有五秒坦..對初到進入中期之前..攻擊天賦最有用的是 11/13 13:02
33F:→ iamnodoubt :兩個破防吧..4%加成實在太少太少了.. 11/13 13:03
34F:→ evildark :我覺得riven玩家還是推skyyart 11/13 13:04
35F:→ evildark :他也是燈籠>bloodthrsty 11/13 13:05
36F:推 sarserror :一堆人都這樣阿 遇過一個玩得爛 就拜託不要XXOO 11/13 13:05
37F:→ leeberty :有白盾的例如雷文跟烏迪爾,買雙防裝的盾就是比買血 11/13 13:06
38F:推 toby08050805:ATMA+好戰 容錯率較高 這篇攻略要有一定程度才能這樣 11/13 13:06
39F:→ leeberty :裝的盾還要厚,所以有白盾的我很好出好戰 11/13 13:07
40F:→ toby08050805:玩吧...進場時機 放招時機 好多點要注意.. 11/13 13:07
41F:推 sunny1991225:Riven ATMA+好戰的合成太不平滑了 11/13 13:07
42F:→ sunny1991225:這樣你前期Solo top根本沒辦法壓人 11/13 13:07
43F:→ sunny1991225:Riven solo top可怕的地方就是一般大男大女換血很難 11/13 13:08
44F:→ sunny1991225:贏你 11/13 13:08
45F:→ leeberty :很少//如果本身有雙防能力就出好戰比較好 11/13 13:08
46F:→ toby08050805:有先出燈籠 對方AD高 在出700甲 慢慢農囉= = 11/13 13:09
47F:推 bestrick :推翻一 11/13 13:10
48F:推 Xargon :chu... 11/13 13:14
49F:→ evildark :riven是極少數盾吃AD scale的 R也是極少數的%傷技能 11/13 13:15
50F:→ evildark :skyyart也說riven改版之後比狗頭更全面 還更耐壓.. 11/13 13:15
51F:推 ixidor :這個大推。只能推推推 11/13 13:20
52F:推 seshiru :Skyyart也是會BT後出冰槌的,出裝看情況 11/13 13:21
53F:推 firegsh :riven不只ad成長 乳量也有相當的... 11/13 13:32
54F:推 sunny1991225:乳量有嗎=.= 11/13 13:37
55F:→ aoiaoi :ad吃這麼高看到不少人走血坦就覺得無奈 浪費前中期 11/13 13:38
56F:→ trigungo :有阿...經典造型還大小乳.... 11/13 13:38
57F:推 TiauEX :這篇意圖使人入坑 11/13 13:40
58F:推 nornor0415 :其實還有另一隻也是盾/補血吃攻擊屬性scale.. 11/13 13:45
59F:→ nornor0415 :名曰屎加辣醬 11/13 13:45
60F:推 foreigner00 :saintvicious曾經說過,BT是近戰角色最爛最爛的武器 11/13 13:46
61F:→ foreigner00 :大概是因為近戰容易死吧,死了stack就沒了 11/13 13:47
62F:→ foreigner00 :跟這篇作者的論調不太一樣 11/13 13:47
63F:推 os653 :不衝突阿,這篇作者說BT好是因為BT=HP,其他近戰沒阿 11/13 13:54
64F:推 NoGG :可是Riven攻速很慢耶 所以主要就是靠技能來輸出? 11/13 13:57
65F:推 petersos80 :Q 一刀Q一刀 都是這樣輸出 很吃記能 11/13 14:02
66F:→ hareluyac :被暴君打殘?個人經驗來說鱷魚比較容易被打殘才對... 11/13 14:05
67F:→ hareluyac :技能AD系數還有連段跟CC都有差...而且雷文1等就有傷 11/13 14:06
68F:推 sunny1991225:Ire、Jax、猴子、Nasus都換不贏 11/13 14:06
69F:→ sunny1991225:鱷魚我不確定 11/13 14:06
70F:→ sunny1991225:總之Riven目前上路就跟之前的猴子一樣被低估的很嚴重 11/13 14:07
71F:→ sunny1991225:他可以換一贏一票熱門上路角色 11/13 14:08
72F:推 lazyboy624 :riven jungle超強的好嗎= = 非常早就能GANK了 11/13 14:08
73F:推 petersos80 :鱷魚的W 也是被小看阿 怒超過50 W 超痛 11/13 14:08
74F:推 hareluyac :雷文優勢期從1等就開始,鱷魚還有等到2~3等 11/13 14:09
75F:→ hareluyac :很大問題是鱷魚一開始沒有50怒,就跟蠻王一樣 11/13 14:09
76F:推 freethief :紅用AD還是物穿比較好啊 11/13 14:09
77F:推 petersos80 :西米的 雷文 昨天也輸 蠻王 一個小GANK 蠻王 鱷魚 就 11/13 14:10
78F:→ hareluyac :一等鱷魚想撿兵,他往面前一站QAQAQA 半條以上就噴了 11/13 14:11
79F:→ petersos80 :能兇起來 尤其是 阿蠻ˊˋ 會玩的真的很難壓 11/13 14:11
80F:推 sunny1991225:我之前用猴子就是被Riven打歪...... 11/13 14:12
81F:→ sunny1991225:EQ過去反而被換一整套 11/13 14:12
82F:→ hareluyac :簡單來說,四等以前不要靠近雷文。換血換不贏 11/13 14:12
83F:→ petersos80 :Q砍Q砍Q砍 真的很恐怖 11/13 14:12
84F:推 a22122212 :真的很常錯估riven的傷害然後就黑白了... 11/13 14:28
85F:推 sparking :太高調了!! 像我們這種愛好者怎麼辦(疑) 11/13 14:38
86F:推 Shalone :只能說 這個guide是對的= = 11/13 14:48
87F:推 CapGirls :這篇晚PO了... 雷紋的優惠沒了 11/13 14:51
88F:推 gaare :我1等用QQQ就把蓋倫打成白癡了 11/13 14:55
89F:→ gaare :10分鐘內推上外塔 3殺蓋倫+來gank被我反殺的烏迪爾 11/13 14:56
90F:→ thomaspig :撐AD的雷文很扯...完全換不贏 又不用控魔 wtf... 11/13 14:56
91F:推 lazyboy624 :雷玟紅還是固定AD好吧 本身成長AD不低這樣一開始 11/13 14:59
92F:→ lazyboy624 :就有很大的優勢 而且三招都吃AD 11/13 15:00
93F:推 Shalone :不 紅物穿能讓你中期的優勢最大 前期靠紫AD就夠了 11/13 15:13
94F:推 kingkevin34 :西米剛玩雷文的時候狂輸 部過那時候雷文剛出 11/13 15:19
95F:→ kingkevin34 :他隊友不知怎麼配合吧 11/13 15:19
96F:→ jewry2005 :riven剛buff時,說她會變二代ire還被嗆,現在愈來愈 11/13 15:20
97F:→ jewry2005 :多人玩上手了 11/13 15:20
98F:→ evildark :最近這個buff有一點影響 還有燈籠>BT這個打法開發 11/13 15:35
99F:推 altcd :雷玟剛出時試玩就決定要當main了! 11/13 15:43
100F:→ altcd :看了這篇 剛試打一場感覺真又更順了一點~ 很受用 11/13 15:43
101F:→ howar31 :Riven後期血量撐破4500+自然之力+反彈甲+ATAMA就無敵 11/13 15:50
102F:→ Caitsithdx :那個AD撐到像那面那樣的數據都無敵吧.. 11/13 15:53
103F:→ Caitsithdx :riven要被Nerf了嗎..我還沒爽夠啊 11/13 15:55
104F:推 howar31 :我是打過這樣一場...那場打了快70分鐘orz... 11/13 15:59
105F:→ howar31 :那場我連鞋子都脫掉了囧... 11/13 15:59
106F:→ latte7139 :低調阿T_T 11/13 16:00
107F:→ jewry2005 :rievn開r後ad+20%,不是一般ad角色可以有這樣的攻擊 11/13 16:09
108F:→ howar31 :+AD而且還+範圍...W暈人變的更實用! 11/13 16:15
109F:推 soulsoul0421:westrice的riven不出燈籠的 出裝跟talon一樣的 11/13 16:16
110F:→ howar31 :我塔龍還出燈籠...(掩面 11/13 16:17
111F:推 hardyuse :推推 11/13 16:32
112F:推 illen :好玟 11/13 16:35
113F:推 babylina :聽到howar31說鞋子都脫掉了<--為啥有種色色的感覺> < 11/13 16:42
114F:推 vovzz :該被NERF了 11/13 16:46
115F:→ howar31 :babylina 為什麼............ 11/13 17:01
116F:→ robo3456 :雷紋還不到op吧,現在才剛起頭 11/13 17:12
117F:→ aoiaoi :剛出一片雷聲被低估近來一片好痛好壓逐漸被高估 可憐 11/13 17:26
118F:→ robo3456 :沒有那個patch的雷紋真的很慘 11/13 17:30
119F:推 WeiTitan :最近才被BUFF的好嗎 11/13 18:27
120F:推 sheoldark :翻譯推,雖然有點不通順 11/13 20:11
121F:→ evilisnear :超大篇 =) 看得很過癮XD 11/13 20:13
122F:→ evildark :雷文被buff很多次了... 11/13 20:41
123F:推 goldflower :想問問如何用riven打AD坦型nid 十分苦手 11/13 20:53
124F:→ goldflower :六級前當然不會輸 但六級後實在拿不到優勢 11/13 20:53
125F:→ wake01 :壓不回去的...就互農,前期靠燈籠,中後期BT 11/13 21:15
126F:→ sunny1991225:要壓贏無恥AD Nid需要新人類直感 11/13 22:43
127F:推 ASKA028 :好啦我當初是非常不看好RIVEN = = 不過看了這篇後 11/14 00:01
128F:→ ASKA028 :再去實驗的確是殺很大 要再多試才確定他是不是強角 11/14 00:02
129F:推 ste :這套真的不錯 但是上六之後蠻難打贏AD乃大力的 11/14 02:31
130F:推 lom123456 :玩過覺得最強勢的是GANK雷文失敗率不低 11/14 10:26
131F:→ lom123456 :就算成功也耗掉不少時間 即使沒壓爆對方上路 11/14 10:27
132F:→ lom123456 :雷文還是很好肥...然後其他路優勢就出來了 11/14 10:27
133F:→ lom123456 :最近玩即使初中期被殺個兩三次還是很容易就肥起來了. 11/14 10:27
134F:推 BearJW :這篇的快銀:水銀飾帶 1337:殘暴之力 11/17 08:57
135F:推 ssd123698745:這篇打法太OP了 朝聖 12/07 02:12
136F:推 master11360 :推!下次試試看 12/10 17:53