作者wake01 (醒来)
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标题[英雄] Riven The hardest carry by Navitar
时间Sun Nov 13 12:37:43 2011
http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=7583
看之前有人翻过Xpecial的,但是这篇好像还没人
这篇有认为Xpecial不太对,提出一些别的看法,还有图片解说
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符文
红:物穿
黄:护甲
蓝:魔防
紫:护甲
I run the armor runepage against heavy physical damage dealers such as Garen
and GP in toplane. Combined with a cloth5pot opening and smart play, as long
as you are aware of burst potential, you can easily outsustain many of the
heavy physical damage dealers that you meet top. Because heavy physical
damage dealers generally do not do massive magic damage, I run scaling mres
against them. Flat is fine too, it is better in lane. The difference isn't
too huge really.
当我单上对上强力AD像是Garen或是GP时我就用护甲页。
搭配起手布甲5水组合,只要玩得好,再加上你有爆发的潜力,
你可以轻易地在持久力胜过上路AD。
而且因为初期他们通常没有强力魔法伤害,所以蓝色用魔防成长,固定也OK,差别不大。
I run the page with flat AD and flat MR against more mixed damage toplaners
such as Udyr. Flat AD is a nice stat to have because of the slight scaling
for all your abilities, but is easily replaceable with arpen if you are only
looking for damage output. When you feel that flat armor quints is not
necessary in lane, Mres, flat AD, and Arpen are all viable replacements
against a more magic dealing opponent.
当我对上比较混合伤害的像是Udyr时我就用固定AD和固定魔防。
固定AD很nice因为你全部技能都吃,但是你追求伤害的话也可以换成物穿。
当对上更偏魔法英雄时可能不需要紫护甲时,就可以换成魔防、AD、或是物穿都可以。
I do not feel that Riven can get away with running dodge in lane, because to
come away with a decisive lead in trades, I feel the extra armor in yellows
is a necessity. Lategame while dodge and nimbleness is nice to have, neither
is a necessity because with 200 armor and proper items and skill usage, the
damage taken won't be a deciding factor and your mobility via your skills
with ult triggered will overcome any minute speed difference.
我不认为Riven可以用闪躲取代护甲,因为在早期换血的时候黄护甲是必要的。
而即使在後期,虽然防御天赋的闪躲加速不错,但是Riven靠技能已经有高机动力。
天赋
22/6/2
As long as one gets havoc and 6 in defense, I feel the other 4 points are
pretty flexible. I usually run teleport on Riven so I get the teleport
mastery, and since she does not benefit from AP at all I put 1 point into
exhaust instead of AA savvy as when I do play her with exhaust I am too lazy
to change around the first tier offensive masteries to something that doesn't
affect her at all anyway. :P (more damage taken from Veigar trolol).
主要是攻击天赋的浩劫以及防御的那六点,剩下的那四点就很弹性。
因为我Riven常带传送所以我就点强化传送,
而且他用不到AP所以即使我不带我也点强化虚弱,因为有时候我懒的换。
(点AP的话被Veigar打也比较痛trolol)
物品
起手布甲5水,或是极少数情况下才鞋3水。
I have tried various openings, such as dblade, cloth5pot, boots3pot, null
mantle 2pot, whatever. except for a select few matchups against some casters,
cloth5pot generally seems to be the strongest opening in the vast majority of
lane matchups (especially top, where I feel riven is at home). Even against
casters, cloth5pot helps against autoattack harass (which is extremely
noticeable) and gives the riven player a nice margin of error to work with.
In matchups where the opponent goes dblade or boots 3 pot (not giving riven
the respect she deserves!) you can win via straight attrition. in cloth5pot
matchups, riven's superior damage with no mana constraints usually wins you
exchanges as well unless you take abnormal amounts of creep aggro. In
general, a very safe, a very strong, and a very direct counter opening to
most top laners.
我试过很多开场,像是多蓝、布五水、鞋三水、魔防二水etc。
除了对上某些法师,布五水整体是最强的(特别是单上,我觉得Riven单上就像在家)。
即使对上法师,布五水也可以抵抗普攻骚扰(常会发生),容错率也比较高。
如果对手是多蓝或是鞋三水(这便是不把Riven放在眼里!),你就可以直接把他换回家。
就算对方也是布五水,
你的强力伤害还有不需法力的特性通常也会让你赢,除非你吸引太多的小兵揍你。
因此通常来说,布五水是很安全,很强力,也是最直接克制大部分单上英雄的开场。
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核心:灯笼、嗜血、水银鞋、守护天使(守护天使先买配件,嗜血优先合出来)
终期:补破甲40%、IE、最後再卖灯笼再补嗜血
选择性:快银
偏向中期爆发的话就买1337和双多蓝
I'll go in depth into items because that is where I feel the vast majority of
riven players go wrong.
我在这部分会讲比较多,因为我觉得这是大部分人搞错Riven的地方。
Lots of people have the mentality that they have to build riven as a "tanky
DPS" with mallet / warmog + atma and other stuff. Whether this is due to
Xpecial's lacking first riven guide (the second is better but I feel
ghostblade is a mediocre choice on her) where he just listed random items
that characters like Lee Sin could reasonably get or a preconception of how
she should be played because she is melee, I do not know.
She scales best with 3 things and 3 things only.
大多数人都会觉得Riven应该走大男风所以给他类似装备,冰槌、树甲、atma之类玩意。
这可能是因为Xpecial的第一篇Riven攻略造成(第二篇有好点但是我觉得买鬼刀不好)
因为他就只是随机列了大男像是李星需要的那些玩意。
他和三样东西处得很好,也就只需要这三样东西:
1. DAMAGE. Her survivability and more obviously her damage output scale with
this due to her e and her entire kit respectively. The fact that you get free
EHP out of the more times you cast your E makes building any sort of health
worse and worse the later the game goes on. Her E is so batshit insane that
if you get off several E's in the course of the fight it is more effective
than jax's passive or the vast majority of skills and passives that give free
HP.
第一是AD,因为他的输出和存活力(e)都会随着AD成长。
因为你已经有免费的(e)HP,所以当你买更多HP装时情况就会越来越糟。
他的e是如此的蝙蝠屎疯狂当你在会战用越来越多次的e它会超越jax的被动HP效益。
2. PURE ARMOR AND MRES. Due to the fact that you get free HP out of building
massive AD, then to bolster your survivability all that is left is the
relevant defensive stats. Guardian angel is super good because it gives you a
shitton of this, and its passive also synergizes very well with her e and
第二是纯粹的护甲和魔防,因为你买一堆AD就会有免费HP,
所以再来要强化生存力就是纯粹的护甲和魔防,这也就是守护天使(GA)很棒的原因,
GA的被动也跟e很搭。
3. LIFESTEAL. If you build tanky enough for step 2, then combined with your
e, lifesteal makes you super sustained in fights. You are probably have more
survivability with a decent build that contains lifesteal than some dumb
atmogs build because you will heal as long as you don't get instagibbed, and
with proper AD, an extra 500 damage shield with E will prevent you from being
so. It also doesn't hurt that the item that gives the most lifesteal also
gives the most AD in the game either.
You don't need the mobility that the ghostblade in xpecial's updated guide
gives, as your q and e will let you go where you want in teamfights. You do
like CDR, but not to the point where you would get a ghostblade over LW
against most teams (if even only 1 or 2 people are building armor you'll
probably get more out of LW's greater AD and passive) on a super powerful
lategame champ.
第三是吸血,只要你照着步骤二把他弄硬了,再加上e,吸血就让你在战斗超级持久。
照着AD防御还有吸血这样的装备,会比蠢传统atmogs流活更久,
因为只要你不暴毙你就可以吸血治疗,而有足够的AD,额外的500EHP也可以保护你。
这也就是买全游戏最吸也最AD武器的理由。
你不需要在xpecial攻略里面的鬼刀,因为你已经有足够机动,qe会带你去想去的地方,
你会喜欢CDR,但是还是LW的高AD以及破甲40%比较好,特别他是後期的超强力英雄。
She is quite similar to Jax (except scaling from AD only instead of both AP
and AD) in terms of getting free HP from offensive stats, and needs to be
built as such.
他是比较类似jax的(除了jax AP/AD通吃),因为他也从攻击属性得到免费HP,
所以装备学也就应该依循这样的方式。
灯笼:
gives all 3 of the stats that riven loves (mentioned above) and a free ward
to boot! This is your laning item, as well as being just a nice little bit of
everything until you really start rolling. There is at least one hero that
becomes immediately more sustainable than you with wriggles (udyr) when you
both get it, but don't give a damn cause you will outscale the bloody hell
out of him later. Wriggles will let you farm against any laner as long as you
know when to play passive and when to abuse the imba lifesteal it gives. If
you have immediate trouble finishing your wriggles, you CAN go dblades and
save the cloth for GA later, but you forsake the sustain that wriggles gives
(which makes up for her natural lack of sustain: her base hp regen, while
great, cannot make up for the sustain that a lot of skills and passives that
champs like yorrick and udyr have) as the lifesteal on dblades are much more
ignorable than that of wriggles. You don't get wriggles for the immediate
damage or impact on teamfights though, but mostly as a method to be able to
farm up for your
给了三种Riven爱的属性(上面提到的),还有免费的眼可以插!
这是让你撑线的,在你开始称霸前的好夥伴。
至少会有一个英雄(udyr)在和你同时拿到灯笼时会比你更持久,
但是别管他,你很快就会在成长上超越那家伙。
只要你知道何时打龟何时善用吸血,你就可以用灯笼跟任何对手互农。
如果你没法完成灯笼,你可以买多蓝然後把衣服留着合GA,但是丧失灯笼的持久,
(灯笼可以补足Riven先天的欠缺持久,虽然基础回血不错,但是更多英雄有更强回血手段)
因为多蓝的吸血实在少的可以忽略。
灯笼可能没法给你立即伤害和会战优势,但是确实重要的农具。
嗜血(BT):
godly on her for abovementioned reasons. As soon as you get some stacks
rolling on a bloodthirster, you are very powerful in teamfights. Also, if
your laning opponent is unfortunate enough to still be laning against you,
you can destroy him and then lifesteal whatever meager damage he has dealt to
you. You will definetly notice the boost in damage on all of your skills and
e as soon as you have completed the BF, and it will only get bigger as you
complete your BT.
同样因为上述原因成为超级Riven神兵。
只要你开始叠起来,在团战你就非常强劲,撑线你也可以把对手赶回家然後轻松吸满血。
当你买了BF(1650)应该就可以深刻感受到伤害的强化,并更进一步带领你完成BT。
水银鞋和GA:
both give very good defensive stats, and both of their passives are great on
riven. If your opponent team is full of AD, then you may want to complete the
chain vest or cloth armor before completing your mercs (or both!) for midgame
fights. If you need immediate oomph in a teamfight because your team is
struggling, then you should consider grabbing some of these before finishing
your BT or BF; this is however highly suboptimal because Riven's weakest
point is when she is farming for her first BF sword, and unless you can make
an immediate advantage through winning a teamfight with the increased
survivability, it just lengthens the time in which her damage output is
mediocre (as she scales from BONUS AD). When she has GA completed and BT
stacked though, she is incredibly powerful, doing massive damage and being
hard to focus due to her 150+ armor (often hitting 180-200 lategame depending
on masteries and runes) and the GA passive combining well with her e and
lifesteal.
两者都有很棒的防御性,被动都对Riven很好。
如果对方很多AD,那在合出水银前最好先买双甲。
如果你的队伍正在挣扎并陷入很多团战场面,可能就需要在BF和BT前先把这两样弄出来;
然而这是很次要的选择因为Riven在农出BF前是最弱的,即使你能靠着特别强化的生存力
先赢过一场团战,也很可能只是拖时间,因为他只靠额外AD成长。
当Riven已经叠好BT而且有GA时就非常强大,可以做一大堆伤害而且不好杀(150以上护甲)
而且还有GA被动以及EHP以及吸血。
LW/BT/IE:
More damage / lifesteal. Order is situational, if they're stacking armor
because they are terrified of you LW, BT and Iedge are both solid choices if
you have the gold as well. I will usually get whichever I can afford if I'm
not going or have already completed LW. Neither is usually strictly superior
to the other if you haven't sold your wriggles yet, but BT is more affordable
and helps surviving more, IEdge is more damage (but I hardly ever feel a lack
of damage at this point in the game). After you get Iedge, make sure to start
chugging green elixers as it really is a huge increase in crit, and if fights
are close (which they generally tend to not be after you finish most of your
core) then red pots as well. Chugging all 3 pots is a huge aid when you're
ending the game or have your build completed.
更多的AD/吸血。顺序看状况,如果对方在买护甲那可以先LW,BT/IE有钱都是好选择。
当我还不打算买LW或是已经买了以後我就会买可以买的。
只要你还没卖了灯笼,两者并没有太大的优劣,然而BT更便宜而且更帮助生存;IE更伤害
(虽然我很少会在那个时间点觉得缺少那多一点的伤害)
当你买了IE,记得灌绿精炼,因为可以提升很多爆击,当对方开始进逼时
(通常他们不会希望你完成核心装),也可以再补红的。
在你完成装备以後三色水会是很大的帮助。
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看情况:
快银:
Against enough suppression or CC, you can grab
this item in the stead of one of your damage items and use it accordingly. If
you have good teammates to peel for you or are skilled at positioning post
GA, not necessary in my opinion as the GA is usually enough to deter a team
from 100% focusing you without your team being able to stop them or take
advantage of the time during which their cc's are on CD. But it does give
more room for error and more ability to bait as well. Even if I did get it, I
would probably sell it for a damage item end-end game; the additional
lifesteal from a BT would usually have more impact on survivability as long
as one didn't get taken from 100%hp to 0% instantly.
当对方太多控场你可以牺牲一件AD装换这个,
但是当你有好队友可以帮你削皮或是良好的走位,就不需要这个,
因为GA就够阻止对方全力集火你,只要队友可以阻止他们保存所有控场。
但是它确实可以提供更多容错以及钓人的空间。
通常就算我买了,大後期我也会卖了它换AD,BT通常会在会战发挥更大作用。
1337:
When you have a lead in lane, especially against those champions who don't
itemize armor early (teemo or whoever) dealing near true physical damage and
having additional CDR is a great way to push advantages to further kills or
earlier tower kills. Also gives you more midgame presence. If you have the
choice between a brutalizer and BF sword though, I would almost always go for
the BF sword.
当你在线上称霸时,对方又不懂得或不买护甲(像是T毛之类的),
买1337可以打出几乎完全的物伤并且额外CDR也可以造就更多的推进、塔杀、中期优势。
但是如果你要我在BF和1337选,我通常还是会选BF。
多蓝:
Good in lane, but overall wriggles does more for Riven as well as giving her
a free ward. Would not stack with wriggles, but would get as a replacement
for it, especially if I was getting brutalizer. The pros are more burst in
lane, some extra buffer HP before your E is completely ridiculous (and not
max level yet). Definetly less lategame oriented, as wriggles lets you farm a
lot harder. However this is a valid build, great against squishier toplaners
(Teemo etc.) especially if you've started with a kill or two.
撑线不错,但是灯笼整体来说更好,还给免费的眼。
不和灯笼重叠,但是可以多少代替,特别如果我出1337。
好处是线上更多爆发力、HP(在你的e还没起来之前)。
当然更少的後期取向,因为灯笼帮助你农很大。
然而这是可以的装备,特别针对脆皮单上(T毛 etc),又尤其你已经拿了一两个头时。
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Attack speed is nice and does make your combo chaining slightly smoother, but
it is not worth giving up an additional bloodthirster for phantom dancer
because of the additional survivability you gain from the lifesteal and AD.
Due to your insane ratios as well, you will most likely lose out on overall
damage by doing so as well (because of her passive and ultimate, she gets so
much out of AD, even on pure autoattack dps as compared to pdancer, not to
mention her skills). CDR is also nice but not is not as good as flat AD in
most scenarios for the same reason: it is also gainable from a consumeable
like aspd and blue buff also gives it as well should you be able to steal one
at any point. Riven's holy trinity is DAMAGE, RESISTANCES and LIFESTEAL.
攻速很nice而且也让你combo更滑顺,但是通常额外BT还是比PD好,因为AD和吸血的生存力
而且因为你的成长很高,买攻速会让你成长少(AD直接影响技能,也跟攻速同样影响普攻)
CDR也不错但是不比AD好,理由相同:从消耗品如蓝精炼和蓝buff增加比较好。
记得Riven的三大属性:
AD、
双防、
吸血。
召唤法术
传送+闪现
I think teleport is the most powerful summoner that a top laner can run if
they know how to play with it correctly. It gives you flexibility in early
trades against a laner that does not have it because you can teleport back
and come back with additional pots and a ward against ganks if you feel that
they will be relevant. It also extends your map control to the entire map,
giving you countergank presence in duo lane and your team greater dragon
control especially if the enemy top laner is not running teleport. Of course,
if you run teleport and your enemy is running exhaust or ignite, you cannot
completely dedicate to a level 1 trade (which is a shame because Riven's
level 1 is absolutely amazing) but as long as you can keep that in mind I
usually have very few problems laning with her.
我认为传送对於单上英雄来说是最强的法术,只要你知道怎麽用。
他给你前期换血的弹性也给你全地图控制,可以反下路gank以及控龙,只要对方单上没有
当然如果对方没带传送而带虚弱或点燃,你可能就没法在lv1就开始换血,
(这很可惜,因为Riven的lv1交换很惊人)
但是只要你注意一点就可以了,我通常带传送都没甚麽问题。
Flash allows for a r -> flash -> (e if necessary) -> w -> auto -> r active
combo against a opponent who is low hp. Ghost is not necessary because unless
you're chasing an opponent over like 3000 range or something your skills and
knockback / stun is sufficient, and if you're chasing people around you're
not making use of your low cds and the active on your ultimate. Flash has the
most utility and is the best defensive summoner in most scenarios.
而闪现可以让你r->闪->(e如果有需要)->w->普攻->r宰掉一个低血英雄。
不需要鬼步因为你已经有足够的控场和接近技,闪现通常最为通用而且也最安全。
点燃可以增加前期爆发力,但是後期你用砍的就很够了。
虚弱比点燃更通用,在线上换血也最强,如果你真的不想用传送那就带这个。
净化,可以解虚弱,团战也不错,咩。
鬼步,因为Riven虽然有Q和E但是并不能穿墙,所以闪现是必要的。
带传送也可以让你狂农,然後在会战出现,而用力农对Riven来说是很重要的。
会战当你传过去时通常对方控场也都用了,这时就可以表演1v5。
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Introduction
介绍
Riven is a highly unappreciated pick right now. Like many other champions who
were not blatantly OP at release, I feel that many people took one look at
her, tried a generic build that would work on a seemingly similar champion
("tanky DPS" in her case), found that it was extremely underwhelming (due to
bad build, lack of skill / comfort with their skillset, and knowing what
comps they fit in best), and gave her up. I feel the biggest problem that
most people have playing Riven is playing her in the early levels and
itemizing her correctly, and if you get both of those right, she can become
the hardest carry in the game due to her insane ratios on AoE physical spells
and her extremely high single target damage with her autoattack due to her
passive.
Riven现在是非常不讨喜的英雄。
我认为他就像许多刚出现时并不很OP的英雄一样,
大家会看一看,然後用类似英雄的大众玩法(以他的例子,就是大男风)试一试,
然後发现实在不怎麽样(因为差劲的装备学、缺乏技巧、不了解他的技能还有他的角色)
然後就放弃了。
我认为最大的问题就在於大部分人玩Riven玩不好是因为初期玩不好以及不懂正确装备学
如果你能正确掌握两者的话,他就能变成游戏中最猛的carry,
因为他有疯狂成长的范围技和被动加持下超级高的普攻单体伤害。
技能
Q:
The numbers may look mediocre but with 240 bonus ad (which is reasonable late
game with ulti if you're farming well) and ult on each q does 398 damage.
With the fact that it is aoe and it moves your character, you need to learn
how to chain this skill with your others to get to the targets that you want
to while dealing damage. The third q is the most useful because of its use as
a knockback, so chaining two qs and then an e and the last q for a knockback
and thus a free autoattack before chaining in your w stun allows for a great
mix of cc and damage. The good use of this skill really sets apart good and
mediocre Riven players. Due to the fact that the cd resets from the time that
you start the combo, this is your most reliable way to keep passive charges
up. THe additional mobility that it gives you lets you chain q autos as well.
数字看起来不怎麽样,然而当你有240额外AD时(当後期你农的好而且配上r时),
你的每下Q会打出398伤害,而且是范围,而且你也会移动,所以你得学习用好以及接好。
第三下最有用因为可以击退,所以你可以在w前先2q=>e=>q=>普攻,造成大量伤害和控场
这项技能用的好与坏就区分出好的以及不好的Riven玩家。
因为这技能会在你开始连段时就开始冷却,所以是最可靠保持被动的方法。
额外的机动也可以让你更好的琏段q和普攻。
W:
With your ultimate on, midlate-game this can do 450-500 damage quite easily.
Combined with the range increase that your ultimate gives you, the damage
that this skill deals due to its aoe is quite large if used well. The cc to
stop interrupts and chase and hold still people fleeing from your might is
always welcome as well. In lane it is the bane of enemy champions that have
inferior sustain to you when you get your wriggles, and it is a great
disengage when the enemy jungler comes round to gank.
当r开启时,中晚期可以轻易造成450-500伤害,同样r也可以增加相当大的范围。
而昏可以断技或是堵人。撑线只要对方不比你持久这招就是他们的毁灭,也可以防gank。
E:
The skill that sets riven apart from other potential hard carries. The fact
that she has a low cd shield that scales with AD that also functions as a gap
closer / maker gives her lots of flexibility in teamfights and great
difficulty to kite or hard engage on compared to other squishy ad champions.
Combined with lifesteal, armor, mres, and AD, this gives her great sustain in
lane, teamfights, and the ability to focus down somebody with ease.
这技能将Riven和其他carry分别出来,因为他有短冷却盾,还吃AD,还可以位移,
让他在团战更有弹性,也可以放风筝,胜过其他软AD英雄。
和Riven三宝结合,这让他超级持久,以及集火某个目标。
R:
The biggest reason for riven's great scaling, the 1.2 bonus ad makes all of
her skills and her passive along with increased ranged on her auto and spells
solidifies her as an absolute beast when she gets her core finished. The aoe
execute function is fun and brutal with enough AD. There are two ideal
scenarios that it can be used in: both teams clash, you get a couple of q's
and a w off, they take significant damage, your team if it has enough aoe
also gets people down low, you ult them, get a kill or two and the others try
to scurry away. Second, you attack vital targets (ADs like cait or vayne or
kog and a support) and when either try to flash away you ult in the direction
they flashed in and the superior particle speed will catch them. Making sure
that you use the ult before the active runs out is a must in teamfights, as
the damage is huge. Even if it doesn't kill anybody the aoe damage on any
damaged target is significant.
Since it scales off of bonus AD like all of riven's skills, this skill gets a
huge power bonus after you get a BF item; it has the highest AD scaling in
the game on its max damage (1.8x on max damage) and becomes stronger than
garen ulti in an AoE after 1 BT.
Riven高成长的最大理由,
1.2额外AD让他所有技能包括被动,以及距离加成让他在核心装完成後变得相当凶残。
它的范围机制很好玩,在足够AD下也很凶。
有两种最理想的使用情况:
两队撞一起,你可以用q和w,他们受重伤,你就r他们杀死一两个,其他想跑。
或是你攻击重要目标(像是cait vayne kog或support),然後他们闪走,你可以朝那方向r
而r的高速度会逮到他们。
确定你在r消退前用掉主动技,这在团战是必要的,因为那伤害很高。
即使没杀到任何人,造成的伤害还是很大。
就像其他技能它随着额外AD成长,买了BF以後会有显着成长,
它的最大伤害也有游戏中最高的AD成长(1.8x最大伤害),
在你买了1BT後这招会变得比garen R更强而且还是范围技。
技能顺序
R>W>E>Q
with 1 level in Q.
There are a few select lanes in which E>W is okay (low cd pokes) but in those
lanes if you are ahead it is often easier to just push your advantage with W
exchanges instead.
Maxing W lets you have more impact in dragon teamfights in particular, as
well as having similar effects in trades in lane with e.
E and W's cd scale with levels whereas q's doesn't, and all retain the same
AD scaling at all levels. Making sure that you have 1 point in each by level
3 is important.
有时候我会选择E>W,但是如果你领先,W会让你更拓展优势。
w先会让你在龙战有更多作用,线上交换搭配e也很有效。
E和W的冷却会随等级降低,q不会,AD成长也不会变。在lv3时确定自己都有一点技能。
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Early Game
早期
Riven's level 1 is terrifying. It should not be played passively if possible.
With flat AD quints and the masteries above, your passive gives you 10
additional damage on an autoattack with it charged, each q does 37 damage per
hit, and she has 67 base damage on her autoattack.
Riven的lv1很强,如果可能就不应该玩龟。
搭配紫AD和天赋,你的被动有10AD,每下q有37伤害,还有67基本普攻。
So before resistances, if she gets a full combo with q auto q auto q auto
off, she deals 342 damage total. That is quite a bit. Of course, with
resistances and a margin of error of one less autoattack, it will come out to
less, but it is still extremely formidable.
所以在不计护甲前,q=>a三次可以造成342伤害,实在不少。
当然对方会有护甲,你也可能出错少打,实际会更少,然而还是很大的数字。
As Riven, you want to general take creep advantage level 1 or 2. Even if it
means that you eat a little poke, suck it up and push the wave so that you
will hit level 2 before the opponent (or at least get rid of the melee
minions as early as possible). From there you can push your advantage and go
aggressive with your q.
Riven在lv1~2应该要获得推兵优势。
即使代表你会被戳几下,吞下去然後继续推,所以你就可以先到lv2。
(或是至少先把近战兵先吃掉)
然後你就可以取得优势然後用q打侵略。
If you hit level 2 before your opponent and have already gotten level 1
damage on him, you can go again and chain in your w when you feel necessary.
He should be near dead and forced to pop a pot. By nature of this kind of
aggression, you are a target for ganks, so it is good to be wary of where the
enemy jungler has started / is at any given time. If you feel the threat of
being ganked early is very high, you might even request cvs / wards being put
down by your support for toplane. Aside from ganks, there are relatively few
lanes that you should lose straight up top lane if you open cloth5pot. The
one thing to be wary of is if you run teleport to not go full retard against
an opponent with exhaust or ignite, and to know your limits. This requires a
little bit of falling and getting back up again (i.e. playing certain
matchups until you know your limits and theirs) but once you have a good feel
for it you can do well.
如果你比对手先lv2,并且已经在lv1时打过他,必要时就可以继续用w连段他,
他这时候应该就会死了被强迫喝水。
照着这样走,你会成为gank的目标,所以你必须要注意对方jungler的动向。
如果你觉得要被gank了,就应该要求cv或是眼。
只要你起手衣五水而且没被gank,你应该不会输线,
只要你带传送不和虚弱或点燃的对手硬干,了解自己的极限。
这会需要经验和失败,但是会越做越好。
(下方,单上对抗瞎子图)
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Mid Game
中期
You have several options in the midgame.
你有几个选项
1. Continue trading farm. Seeing as you scale harder than just about anybody
top, this trade usually comes out in your favor.
继续交换农,因为你比所有单上英雄成长高,所以多农多健康。
2. If you have teleport and they don't (whether it is down or if they did not
take the summoner): try to push the wave / send your opponent back if
possible. If not, then you may take tower damage / lose tower. Use your
judgement to see if this is a good trade or not. Ask your team to start
dragon, and teleport and win the fight there. If the opponents start a
dragon, tell your team to keep a spare ward on them in case if enemy clears
the wards and teleport to a ward that is placed during the fight, and clean
up.
如果你有传送而对方没有(或是对方在冷却),尽量推线让对方回来。
然後要求队伍吃龙,然後传送过去打赢龙战,
如果对方开始吃龙并且把眼清掉,记得叫队友插让你传。
3. If you both have teleport: will the opponent be stronger than you in a 5v5
fight? Because your w and q and r are aoe, if it comes down to a 5v5
engagement, the answer that may surprise you is that they usually will not be
assuming similar farm.
如果双方都有传送,对方会不会在5v5比你强?
因为你的wqr都是范围,只要双方农的差不多,你都很可能会赢。
(下图:Riven大胆传进4敌中央的眼)
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Late Game
後期
She is stronger than ANYBODY as long as you position and play yourself
somewhat like what you really are, the hardest (aoe) carry in the game.
Unless you are the absolute tankiest person on your team you don't run in
like a "tanky DPS". Let your teammates soak up the engagement cc, whether
that be tibbers or galio ultimate. If you can avoid the majority of AoE cc
and can get in a position to deal damage, you have done your job. Your e and
q give you massive mobility, even through slows. As long as you're whacking
something, you are doing your job. If you are whacking a squishy, even better
for you. Her single target DPS, while amazing with her passive and ult on, is
not her greatest strength. Her AoE damage in q, w, and r can easily add up to
the thousands in teamfights with good application.
只要你走位和玩的好,身为最强的范围carry,你会比任何人还要强。
除非你就只是队伍唯一能坦的人,不要像个大男一样冲进去。
让让队友把控场吸一吸,像是熊熊或galio R。
如果你能避开主要的伤害范围技又找到好的输出位置,你就已经做好工作了。
qe让你有高机动力,只要你在扁甚麽东西,就是在尽本份了,如果是脆皮carry就更好。
他的单体伤害并不是最大亮点,经过范围的qwr加值才是。
(下图:我超强就像nerf前的老鼠)
Even if the team is more spread out, if they are focusing anybody other than
you it is usually very easy to land your aoe on 3-4 people with the range
increase on her skills from her ult.
即使对方散的开一点,只要他们在集火不是你的目标,
通常你靠r都可以容易的范围技打到3~4人。
If I haven't sold you yet, here are some numbers. With a completed build, I
see myself doing 1300-1400 damage crits lategame with passive and ult on, not
to mention the 500 damage aoe nuke ministun on w (which is actually
incredibly useful in teamfights, if your team has an aoe ultimate it is a
really good setup / channel interrupt as well as dumb aoe damage on low cd),
500 damage shield on a super low cd esp with blue elixir and or buff (when
you can shield every 4 seconds for 500 damage that adds up VERY quickly), and
of course her ult which executes anybody who flashes away from your initial
qwe damage or their entire team if they attempt to stand and fight. Lategame,
as long as you take away their health to about 25-35%, her ultimate almost
always lands a kill with enough AD, even against semitanky champions.
如果我还没出售你,这里就有数字。
当你到完全体,靠着被动和r我看到自己爆击1300-1400,还有w的500范围伤害(以及短cd)
500超短cd盾(当你有蓝精炼和buff,每4秒就有500盾非常恐怖)
而且他的r还可以斩杀任何重伤飞走的敌人。
後期只要你能打掉他们HP到25%-35%,这时有足够AD r就可以拿到头,就算对方是大男。
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Team Fights
团战
Don't just blindly r->qqqweqqweqweqweqweqwe. Getting the most out of
lifesteal and your insane 1.8 scaling on your autoattacks is what makes or
breaks a Riven player. Of course if you can be autoattacking and using your
skills on the enemy Caitlyn or Vayne, do so (and she is really exceptional at
taking them down). However, most reasonable teamfights start off with the two
teams hitting each other and the enemy ad and support starting off to the
side away from you. You can start off with a q or two and your ult turned on,
and if the ad ever hits you while you're not cc'd, use your e and the third q
to jump on them, autoattack, w, and then try to land your ult on as many
people as possible. Don't charge super blindly though, and don't be the first
to soak up all of the aoe cc. Use positioning, common sense, and your flash
to do what you need to do.
不要盲目地r->qqqweqqweqweqweqweqwe。
你要让吸血和1.8成长普攻尽到最大作用。
当然如果你正在打cait或vayne那麽这麽作就OK。
然而,更可能的开战是双方先交火,对方AD和support站远离你。
这时你可以用1~2q然後开r,然後只要对方ad射你你又不是被控时,
e->q跳过去a->w然後尽可能把r放在最多人身上。
不要盲目地冲刺,不要当第一个吸范围控场的人。
使用你的走位技巧、常识、闪现,完成你应该做的。
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Final Comments
最後感想
Most games don't run out long enough that you will get all 6 items, but if it
ever does and your teamcomp is not terrible, you should win, because you
scale so hard. She has incredible scaling, to the point of which trading farm
with anybody is a good trade for Riven's team while looking in the lategame,
and needs to be played and built as such to get full effectiveness out of her.
通常游戏不会到让你买6装备,但如果发展到这地步,你的队伍组合也不糟,你就会赢,
因为你成长很高。他有超强成长,所以跟人交换农对Riven和他的队伍都是好的,
而且以必须有好的装备学和玩法才能达到最大效率。
Please try playing Riven several times before hating on this guide, she is
surprisingly tanky with the above build while doing massive damage. Please
leave any helpful feedback. I hope people will flame me less for picking
Riven if people try this guide and like her.
在吐我前麻烦先玩过Riven几次,靠着上面装备他打出一堆伤害也有强大生存力。
有有用的意见请留,希望有人照这玩了以後,我再选Riven不会有人嘴炮我。
Thanks for taking the time to read this massive wall of text, and hoping to
see you in game!
感谢阅读这一整墙字,希望在游戏看到你!
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1F:推 DooDooLoo :好 下一个就是你了 出来吧 雷蚊!! 11/13 12:41
2F:→ robo3456 :westrice把雷纹玩的超神之後,选雷纹也不会被呛了 11/13 12:44
3F:→ a23017174 :我前几天Rank选雷玟单上还是被当了~ 11/13 12:45
4F:推 nornor0415 :这篇基本上就是西米流,超级可怕的伤害 11/13 12:46
5F:→ chunyulai :这篇的确点出了许多人Riven还买冰槌好战的迷思 11/13 12:47
6F:→ chunyulai :Riven的E吃AD吃这麽大 不善用纸是浪费角色优势 11/13 12:47
7F:推 DooDooLoo :不过昨天吸弭被暴君打爆 超惨 XD 11/13 12:48
8F:推 sunny1991225:Riven solo top很可怕 11/13 12:48
9F:→ chunyulai :要出坦装请去玩Irelia 11/13 12:48
10F:→ sunny1991225:之前用猴子碰到伤害流Riven被打残Orz 11/13 12:48
11F:→ sunny1991225:换血完全换不赢 11/13 12:49
12F:推 a2364983 :Xpecial玩这只没几场就写那攻略了 他当初说还不熟 11/13 12:50
13F:→ a2364983 :他那篇只是说帮没玩过的入门较快而已 11/13 12:50
14F:推 johnnyjaiu :最近我都玩雷玟江狗,符文全AD,起手多兰剑 11/13 12:51
15F:→ chunyulai :Riven jungle......... 11/13 12:51
16F:→ johnnyjaiu :吃完双石像上lv2就去gank 11/13 12:51
17F:推 sunny1991225:跟Riven对线最可怕的就是估不准他的物理爆发能到 11/13 12:52
18F:→ sunny1991225:什麽程度 11/13 12:52
19F:推 lrac :单上还满凶的 虽然目前通常都是只剩江狗位子给雷玟 11/13 12:53
20F:推 iamnodoubt :其实我不懂的是近战用攻击天赋的havoc ,所有伤害多4% 11/13 12:54
21F:→ iamnodoubt :ok假设伤害500加上havoc的4%,多了20的伤害,这还要算 11/13 12:55
22F:→ chunyulai :如果只剩jungle位子 我都会拜托队友别选Riven... 11/13 12:57
23F:推 iamnodoubt :伤减,而且又不是远攻的有队友可以保护又可以远远打 11/13 12:58
24F:推 RobertAlexy :近战AD都是拼爆发力的 11/13 12:59
25F:→ lrac :我觉得他江狗gank还不错阿 11/13 12:59
26F:推 enchyi :好大一篇...超PRO =ˇ= 11/13 12:59
27F:→ iamnodoubt :而且近战都有一个很大的问题就是,初期的压线强度跟农 11/13 12:59
28F:→ enchyi :Riven照他这样玩真的颇强大的... 11/13 13:00
29F:→ iamnodoubt :装能力..攻击天赋初期很软..蛮王应该算例外..因为他 11/13 13:01
30F:推 soulsoul0421:EG在比赛都会出riven jungle了 看不懂chun反对的点 11/13 13:02
31F:推 nornor0415 :riven的 AD Scale就是高,所以成长很可怕 11/13 13:02
32F:→ iamnodoubt :有五秒坦..对初到进入中期之前..攻击天赋最有用的是 11/13 13:02
33F:→ iamnodoubt :两个破防吧..4%加成实在太少太少了.. 11/13 13:03
34F:→ evildark :我觉得riven玩家还是推skyyart 11/13 13:04
35F:→ evildark :他也是灯笼>bloodthrsty 11/13 13:05
36F:推 sarserror :一堆人都这样阿 遇过一个玩得烂 就拜托不要XXOO 11/13 13:05
37F:→ leeberty :有白盾的例如雷文跟乌迪尔,买双防装的盾就是比买血 11/13 13:06
38F:推 toby08050805:ATMA+好战 容错率较高 这篇攻略要有一定程度才能这样 11/13 13:06
39F:→ leeberty :装的盾还要厚,所以有白盾的我很好出好战 11/13 13:07
40F:→ toby08050805:玩吧...进场时机 放招时机 好多点要注意.. 11/13 13:07
41F:推 sunny1991225:Riven ATMA+好战的合成太不平滑了 11/13 13:07
42F:→ sunny1991225:这样你前期Solo top根本没办法压人 11/13 13:07
43F:→ sunny1991225:Riven solo top可怕的地方就是一般大男大女换血很难 11/13 13:08
44F:→ sunny1991225:赢你 11/13 13:08
45F:→ leeberty :很少//如果本身有双防能力就出好战比较好 11/13 13:08
46F:→ toby08050805:有先出灯笼 对方AD高 在出700甲 慢慢农罗= = 11/13 13:09
47F:推 bestrick :推翻一 11/13 13:10
48F:推 Xargon :chu... 11/13 13:14
49F:→ evildark :riven是极少数盾吃AD scale的 R也是极少数的%伤技能 11/13 13:15
50F:→ evildark :skyyart也说riven改版之後比狗头更全面 还更耐压.. 11/13 13:15
51F:推 ixidor :这个大推。只能推推推 11/13 13:20
52F:推 seshiru :Skyyart也是会BT後出冰槌的,出装看情况 11/13 13:21
53F:推 firegsh :riven不只ad成长 乳量也有相当的... 11/13 13:32
54F:推 sunny1991225:乳量有吗=.= 11/13 13:37
55F:→ aoiaoi :ad吃这麽高看到不少人走血坦就觉得无奈 浪费前中期 11/13 13:38
56F:→ trigungo :有阿...经典造型还大小乳.... 11/13 13:38
57F:推 TiauEX :这篇意图使人入坑 11/13 13:40
58F:推 nornor0415 :其实还有另一只也是盾/补血吃攻击属性scale.. 11/13 13:45
59F:→ nornor0415 :名曰屎加辣酱 11/13 13:45
60F:推 foreigner00 :saintvicious曾经说过,BT是近战角色最烂最烂的武器 11/13 13:46
61F:→ foreigner00 :大概是因为近战容易死吧,死了stack就没了 11/13 13:47
62F:→ foreigner00 :跟这篇作者的论调不太一样 11/13 13:47
63F:推 os653 :不冲突阿,这篇作者说BT好是因为BT=HP,其他近战没阿 11/13 13:54
64F:推 NoGG :可是Riven攻速很慢耶 所以主要就是靠技能来输出? 11/13 13:57
65F:推 petersos80 :Q 一刀Q一刀 都是这样输出 很吃记能 11/13 14:02
66F:→ hareluyac :被暴君打残?个人经验来说鳄鱼比较容易被打残才对... 11/13 14:05
67F:→ hareluyac :技能AD系数还有连段跟CC都有差...而且雷文1等就有伤 11/13 14:06
68F:推 sunny1991225:Ire、Jax、猴子、Nasus都换不赢 11/13 14:06
69F:→ sunny1991225:鳄鱼我不确定 11/13 14:06
70F:→ sunny1991225:总之Riven目前上路就跟之前的猴子一样被低估的很严重 11/13 14:07
71F:→ sunny1991225:他可以换一赢一票热门上路角色 11/13 14:08
72F:推 lazyboy624 :riven jungle超强的好吗= = 非常早就能GANK了 11/13 14:08
73F:推 petersos80 :鳄鱼的W 也是被小看阿 怒超过50 W 超痛 11/13 14:08
74F:推 hareluyac :雷文优势期从1等就开始,鳄鱼还有等到2~3等 11/13 14:09
75F:→ hareluyac :很大问题是鳄鱼一开始没有50怒,就跟蛮王一样 11/13 14:09
76F:推 freethief :红用AD还是物穿比较好啊 11/13 14:09
77F:推 petersos80 :西米的 雷文 昨天也输 蛮王 一个小GANK 蛮王 鳄鱼 就 11/13 14:10
78F:→ hareluyac :一等鳄鱼想捡兵,他往面前一站QAQAQA 半条以上就喷了 11/13 14:11
79F:→ petersos80 :能凶起来 尤其是 阿蛮ˊˋ 会玩的真的很难压 11/13 14:11
80F:推 sunny1991225:我之前用猴子就是被Riven打歪...... 11/13 14:12
81F:→ sunny1991225:EQ过去反而被换一整套 11/13 14:12
82F:→ hareluyac :简单来说,四等以前不要靠近雷文。换血换不赢 11/13 14:12
83F:→ petersos80 :Q砍Q砍Q砍 真的很恐怖 11/13 14:12
84F:推 a22122212 :真的很常错估riven的伤害然後就黑白了... 11/13 14:28
85F:推 sparking :太高调了!! 像我们这种爱好者怎麽办(疑) 11/13 14:38
86F:推 Shalone :只能说 这个guide是对的= = 11/13 14:48
87F:推 CapGirls :这篇晚PO了... 雷纹的优惠没了 11/13 14:51
88F:推 gaare :我1等用QQQ就把盖伦打成白痴了 11/13 14:55
89F:→ gaare :10分钟内推上外塔 3杀盖伦+来gank被我反杀的乌迪尔 11/13 14:56
90F:→ thomaspig :撑AD的雷文很扯...完全换不赢 又不用控魔 wtf... 11/13 14:56
91F:推 lazyboy624 :雷玟红还是固定AD好吧 本身成长AD不低这样一开始 11/13 14:59
92F:→ lazyboy624 :就有很大的优势 而且三招都吃AD 11/13 15:00
93F:推 Shalone :不 红物穿能让你中期的优势最大 前期靠紫AD就够了 11/13 15:13
94F:推 kingkevin34 :西米刚玩雷文的时候狂输 部过那时候雷文刚出 11/13 15:19
95F:→ kingkevin34 :他队友不知怎麽配合吧 11/13 15:19
96F:→ jewry2005 :riven刚buff时,说她会变二代ire还被呛,现在愈来愈 11/13 15:20
97F:→ jewry2005 :多人玩上手了 11/13 15:20
98F:→ evildark :最近这个buff有一点影响 还有灯笼>BT这个打法开发 11/13 15:35
99F:推 altcd :雷玟刚出时试玩就决定要当main了! 11/13 15:43
100F:→ altcd :看了这篇 刚试打一场感觉真又更顺了一点~ 很受用 11/13 15:43
101F:→ howar31 :Riven後期血量撑破4500+自然之力+反弹甲+ATAMA就无敌 11/13 15:50
102F:→ Caitsithdx :那个AD撑到像那面那样的数据都无敌吧.. 11/13 15:53
103F:→ Caitsithdx :riven要被Nerf了吗..我还没爽够啊 11/13 15:55
104F:推 howar31 :我是打过这样一场...那场打了快70分钟orz... 11/13 15:59
105F:→ howar31 :那场我连鞋子都脱掉了囧... 11/13 15:59
106F:→ latte7139 :低调阿T_T 11/13 16:00
107F:→ jewry2005 :rievn开r後ad+20%,不是一般ad角色可以有这样的攻击 11/13 16:09
108F:→ howar31 :+AD而且还+范围...W晕人变的更实用! 11/13 16:15
109F:推 soulsoul0421:westrice的riven不出灯笼的 出装跟talon一样的 11/13 16:16
110F:→ howar31 :我塔龙还出灯笼...(掩面 11/13 16:17
111F:推 hardyuse :推推 11/13 16:32
112F:推 illen :好玟 11/13 16:35
113F:推 babylina :听到howar31说鞋子都脱掉了<--为啥有种色色的感觉> < 11/13 16:42
114F:推 vovzz :该被NERF了 11/13 16:46
115F:→ howar31 :babylina 为什麽............ 11/13 17:01
116F:→ robo3456 :雷纹还不到op吧,现在才刚起头 11/13 17:12
117F:→ aoiaoi :刚出一片雷声被低估近来一片好痛好压逐渐被高估 可怜 11/13 17:26
118F:→ robo3456 :没有那个patch的雷纹真的很惨 11/13 17:30
119F:推 WeiTitan :最近才被BUFF的好吗 11/13 18:27
120F:推 sheoldark :翻译推,虽然有点不通顺 11/13 20:11
121F:→ evilisnear :超大篇 =) 看得很过瘾XD 11/13 20:13
122F:→ evildark :雷文被buff很多次了... 11/13 20:41
123F:推 goldflower :想问问如何用riven打AD坦型nid 十分苦手 11/13 20:53
124F:→ goldflower :六级前当然不会输 但六级後实在拿不到优势 11/13 20:53
125F:→ wake01 :压不回去的...就互农,前期靠灯笼,中後期BT 11/13 21:15
126F:→ sunny1991225:要压赢无耻AD Nid需要新人类直感 11/13 22:43
127F:推 ASKA028 :好啦我当初是非常不看好RIVEN = = 不过看了这篇後 11/14 00:01
128F:→ ASKA028 :再去实验的确是杀很大 要再多试才确定他是不是强角 11/14 00:02
129F:推 ste :这套真的不错 但是上六之後蛮难打赢AD乃大力的 11/14 02:31
130F:推 lom123456 :玩过觉得最强势的是GANK雷文失败率不低 11/14 10:26
131F:→ lom123456 :就算成功也耗掉不少时间 即使没压爆对方上路 11/14 10:27
132F:→ lom123456 :雷文还是很好肥...然後其他路优势就出来了 11/14 10:27
133F:→ lom123456 :最近玩即使初中期被杀个两三次还是很容易就肥起来了. 11/14 10:27
134F:推 BearJW :这篇的快银:水银饰带 1337:残暴之力 11/17 08:57
135F:推 ssd123698745:这篇打法太OP了 朝圣 12/07 02:12
136F:推 master11360 :推!下次试试看 12/10 17:53