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和各位致歉啊,早上太忙了, 有幾個段落的前後文沒看仔細,造成翻譯上的錯誤. 現在已補完 國外網友po的這張圖滿好笑的 http://ppt.cc/wabZ 懶得看全文的可以直接看以下的中文重點整理~ Interesting post on Salah deal on RAWK: Ok guys, I was the source the RAWK source during this whole thing. I didn't want to reveal myself cause I didn't want to get bombarded with PMs every couple of hours about him, but since this one is basically as good as over for us, there is no harm in pointing out some details about this transfer to let the RAWK universe know how much we fucked up during this transfer as my source is as close to the player as you can get. First of all, let me tell you that I'm not a fan of the club overpaying by any stretch, I hate it when clubs like City or Chelsea pay over the top fees for the likes of Lescott or Shaun Wright Phillips cause that means the market is inflated. However, just because the market is inflated doesn't mean that there are some players out there who are worth a good chunk of money to be paid for. There is also a fine line between being too smart and being too smart for your own good, I didn't exactly followed the ins & outs of our other negotiation models with the other targets in the summer but there is a pattern developing of us missing out on first targets like Dempsey, Mkhitaryan, Costa, Willian and bar a miracle now, Salah. It is hard to properly judge the transfer committee plus I feel for the scouts who have their hard work cut out for when a club comes in and gets the players we have been following for months. Now we were following Salah closely since October, we sent a lot of scouts to Basel games, began negotiating in November and his agent met with Ayre in the West Ham game to discuss terms with them. We had a verbal agreement with Basel regarding everything and we quickly became Salah's favoured destination as he saw us as a club where he can grow, get a lot of 1st team action and become a world class player. I don't know what happened between Salah's agent and Ayre, but the impression that the club got from that meeting was that, in reality there is no way Salah is going to leave for anyone bar Liverpool and/or there are no real offers on the table for Basel bar us. When we got to sending Basel our opening offer, it was a laughable offer well below what was verbally agreed upon, think of Wenger 40 million plus one pound bid, this was even more laughable. 幫各位劃一下重點.. 我們的球探在10月就已經在考察埃及梅西, 在11月Ayre和他的經紀人在西漢姆的比賽中就 已經有討論此次的轉會, 並且和巴塞爾在轉會細節上有口頭協議. 我們提出的第一次報價,是讓人想翻桌的. 何謂想翻桌? 就像溫格當初報價40m+1 這就是讓人想翻桌的~ Basel raised their as a result of being pissed off. We tried to up our offer but it was again well below what was previously agreed upon and Basel didn't want to lower their demands as they sensed that we were wasting their time. They even began courting other clubs that Salah is available. Milan & Inter thought that Basel's original demands were too high for them, Leverkusen, Wolfsburg & Monchengladbach were ready to pay but Salah didn't want to go to Germany. Basel tried to claim that Atletico was interested but it was a bluff by all accounts, however a host of other clubs wanted to be kept updated on the deal one of whom was Chelsea. 巴塞爾提高了埃及梅西的價位因為被激怒到. 我們試著提高我們的報價, 但巴塞爾也 不想讓步,覺得我們沒有誠意,是在浪費他們時間. 所以巴塞爾引誘其他的俱樂部讓他們知 道埃及梅西可以賣唷~ 米蘭,國米認為巴塞爾的要價太高.勒臥庫森,狼堡, 等德甲的俱樂部 都有出價,但是他不想去德國踢球. 甚至巴塞爾還說連馬競都想買唷~ 但我們覺得 巴塞爾在唬爛. 然而切爾西卻一直在旁虎視眈眈企圖攔胡. Since we saw that Salah didn't want to go to the Bundesliga and with no other club offering Basel any offer, we assumed he'll stay there till the summer and we can re-open negotiations, but Newcastle offered Basel a good first offer and now him coming to us in the summer was in doubt if Basel & Newcastle agree a fee. That's why we came back with a much more improved offer, almost what was verbally agreed upon before the window even started. Salah's personal demands were also agreed previously so there was no problems with him & his agent, just us agreeing some minor details with Basel. Chelsea, who were updated on the deal, at last asked about his availability and Basel asked about 8 million more than what we were offering (they tried to fleece Chelsea and I'm sorry last night I got confused cause I misunderstood my source as telling me Chelsea offered 8 million more, which isn't true) but Chelsea really offered a couple of million more than us but with a lot of add ons that favour Basel heavily, we didn't even hesitate and backed off, not even matching their deal. 我們知道了埃及梅西不想去德國踢球, 而且沒有其他俱樂部有提出報價,我們以為他會留到 賽季末, 待夏轉時再來談判. 但是該死的紐卡給了一分不錯的報價, 我們抖了一下. 如果巴塞爾同意了紐卡的報價,那夏轉就毀了~ 所以這就是為什麼我們提高了報價. 早在冬轉之前我們就已經有口頭上的協議, 埃及梅西的待遇及個人條款也達成共識 這時候切爾西出來搶人了, 詢問了巴塞爾有沒有想賣的意願, 而巴塞爾開了比我們當初的 報價多了8M,(他們想趁火打劫切爾西一筆, 很抱歉我搞混了,我誤解了我線人的爆料, 他說切爾西已經報價8M以上了, 但實際上不是) 但切爾西的報價確實比我們高但是多了一些浮動獎金, 而這讓巴塞爾很心動. 但我們毫不 猶豫的也跟了,但是我們的報價還是低過切爾西. The only thing stopping Salah from going to Chelsea is that he doesn't want to go there, full stop. Him & his advisers believe he won't get much playing time there and if it is in his hands, it is better to stay at Basel and wait till the summer to get his move, however Basel want to sell & get their money now and begin scouting their next target (who will also be from Egypt). There is a third club who asked for Salah's availability (my source won't tell me cause Salah doesn't want this to go public as he prefers to join that third club over Chelsea and doesn't want a repeat of the fiasco surrounding his negotiations with Liverpool) but like I said barring a miracle, most probably he won't be our player come the end of the window. 事實上埃及梅西不想去切爾西,因為去那邊要坐板凳, 他反而希望到夏天在走, 但巴塞爾 貪財,希望趕快賣掉他,拿到資金在去買下一個球員. What makes this irritating is that we wasted three months of scouting him, weeks of negotiations and then tried to lowball Basel and looked stupid at the end when we fell flat on our arses. Board wise, there have to be some questions asked about how good we are at negotiating some deals. 很肚爛的是我們浪費了三個月的時間考察及談判. 還有一個很大的問題, 我們在轉會協商的談判真他媽的好棒棒~ 所以這應該不難解釋為什麼Ayre被譙成這樣.. 如果一開始不要報這種讓人想翻桌的價錢 或許被攔胡的機會不那麼高~ 不過足球的世界就是降啦~ 有錢最大. 希望我軍能打造成 像多特蒙德這樣,小成本經營,還能踢得有模有樣 == --



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◆ From: 60.249.184.208 ※ 編輯: JinAnfield 來自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 09:04)
1F:→ mithralin:我們出8m,Basel要12m,結果就是被出11m的切爾西攔胡 01/24 09:06
2F:→ JinAnfield:切爾西還有加一些浮動獎金 01/24 09:08
3F:→ JinAnfield:我們也是不爽被抬價,想等夏轉,結果XD 01/24 09:08
4F:推 benjamin99:翻譯好像跟原文有點差距 ... 01/24 09:19
5F:→ JinAnfield:哪裡?? @@ 01/24 09:21
6F:推 JakeMcGee:沒關係啦 車車人太擠就會外租→賣掉 屆時再撿便宜就好 01/24 09:23
7F:→ JakeMcGee:不然就是花錢買來→租→賣小錢→再花大錢回購XDD 01/24 09:24
8F:推 benjamin99:一開始的前幾段吧. 01/24 09:33
9F:→ benjamin99:原文的意思比較像我們從一開始的書面 offer 就有問題 01/24 09:33
10F:→ benjamin99:一開始的報價遠比口頭承諾的低, 01/24 09:34
11F:→ benjamin99:甚至讓 Basel 一度覺得我們是來亂的, 01/24 09:34
12F:推 barney6211:可以不要每次都加什麼"以下開始噓"之類的嗎? 01/24 09:34
13F:→ barney6211:不一定有順利轉會或有順利結果,但不管怎樣就是支持利 01/24 09:35
14F:→ benjamin99:Basel 才怒而提高需求以及去找其他俱樂部 01/24 09:35
15F:→ barney6211:從來沒想要噓誰的意思= = 01/24 09:36
16F:推 barney6211:然後切爾西8M那裡,是比我們多出8M 01/24 09:38
17F:推 benjamin99:另外 Chelsea 提出報價那邊,我們也沒有立刻加碼, 01/24 09:38
18F:→ benjamin99:原文是說經由 Basel 通知知道 Chelsea 的報價後我們就 01/24 09:38
19F:→ benjamin99:直接放棄了 01/24 09:38
20F:→ barney6211:不是切爾西出8M~ 反正就是人家有錢 01/24 09:39
21F:→ benjamin99:連要匹配的意思都沒有 01/24 09:39
※ 編輯: JinAnfield 來自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 09:47) ※ 編輯: JinAnfield 來自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 09:47) ※ 編輯: JinAnfield 來自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 09:55)
22F:→ JinAnfield:不好意思有些內文當初沒看清楚 晚點會更正 01/24 10:05
23F:推 pandawu1985:推一個~反正這些年被攔習慣了...唉 01/24 10:44
24F:推 mesenchymal:就租來吧看看吧XD 01/24 10:45
25F:推 Ikeaboy:99% .....???? 01/24 11:50
26F:推 pcmaner:沒100趴都不能相信....... 01/24 11:55
27F:推 LZ77:期待夏轉甩賣蘇亞換60m, 依照最近紅軍平均出價,60m大概可以 01/24 12:01
28F:→ LZ77:換八到十個球員,整隊重建完成! 01/24 12:01
※ 編輯: JinAnfield 來自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 12:41)
29F:推 USSMissouri:那些年,我們一直被攔胡的新援 01/24 12:35
30F:→ JinAnfield: ---丸把刃 01/24 12:44
欣慰的是,我們也當過土豪, 1. 3500萬鎊霸氣買下鋒霸卡羅爾 2. 2000萬鎊打包唐寧 3. 1200萬?拿下黑貓新秀亨德森 4. 800萬搶到亞當 ※ 編輯: JinAnfield 來自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 13:00)
31F:推 pcmaner:準備變溫格第二了... 01/24 13:02
32F:推 yeadean:亨神好像是16M 01/24 13:27
33F:推 volfken:甩賣蘇牙用60M換回8個球員大概就真的重建成保級球隊了 01/24 13:30
34F:→ JinAnfield:聽說那時候黑貓的心理價位是400, 國王報了一千多 01/24 13:41
35F:→ JinAnfield:不過亨神進步神速, OK啦 01/24 13:41
36F:推 volfken:年輕有潛力的戶口本400不可能啦 應該只是鄉野傳奇 01/24 13:45
37F:推 madduxowen:迥揪表示: 01/24 13:54
38F:→ JinAnfield: 我是佛地魔 01/24 14:03
39F:→ JinAnfield:與其花3500萬鎊買卡羅爾,不如買本特納,又便宜 01/24 14:12
40F:推 mmmmm123:3500 買阿魁羅 現在的利物浦應該 唉 = = 01/24 14:30
41F:推 oldeight2009:當初2007能買阿奎羅的機會已經去買另一個金童了 01/24 14:38
42F:推 LZ77:重建保級還要把教練換成more yes... 01/24 15:01
43F:推 LZ77:或是老闆心想變成保級選秀順位比較高.... 阿 英超沒有選秀會 01/24 15:04
44F:→ LZ77:嗎? 01/24 15:04
45F:→ JinAnfield:Torres是被我們自己搞死用廢的,怪不得誰 01/24 15:15
46F:推 madduxowen:托托被我們搞死用廢? 為何 01/24 15:41
47F:推 oldeight2009:天子算是我們神交易之一耶 01/24 15:43
48F:推 maikxz:原來廢掉還可以甩賣50M >.^ 01/24 15:47
49F:→ Torreschu:托妞這筆交易超划算好嗎! 01/24 15:50
50F:推 thejam:用廢了然後賣了50m 沒有人要怪誰 01/24 15:57
51F:推 barney6211:的確,35M買C9很虧,但不要忘了50M賣托 01/24 15:57
喔 我是指他來利物浦之後,沒有一個搬得上檯面的替補, 只有恩格這種等級的 所以他就不斷的上場不斷的受傷, 到最後還50M賣出, 超賺~ ※ 編輯: JinAnfield 來自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 15:58)
52F:推 mithralin:說到Ngog,他似乎要被天鵝海買去了 01/24 16:19
53F:推 Renaud:天子的50M其實只有25M是球技 另外25是臉蛋XD 01/24 16:57
54F:→ JinAnfield:NG有進步嗎= =... 01/24 17:03
55F:→ JinAnfield:現在T9不知道剩幾M 01/24 17:03
56F:推 yeadean:先口頭協定好,我們再報低於協定的價格,搞什麼東西 01/24 18:19
57F:→ yeadean:是認為不會有人來搶,還是以為球員一定會加入 01/24 18:19
58F:→ cielazure:至少T9的球衣還是好賣 01/24 20:19
59F:推 pcmaner:這次球團高層真旳處理不夠好...... 01/24 20:48
60F:推 USSMissouri:不只這次,還有上次Dempsey也是這樣 01/24 20:55
61F:→ JinAnfield:為什麼當初沒有中東石油乾爹收購我們?以我們的球迷數 01/24 21:26
62F:→ JinAnfield:量,歷史,比曼城強多了 01/24 21:26
63F:推 USSMissouri:選曼城這種球隊,他們中東財團的存在刻印感才強烈 01/24 21:39
64F:→ USSMissouri:而且利物浦在2007年也不是沒機會被油王收購過 01/24 21:40
65F:推 bigDwinsch:Don't compete money with Abramovic! 01/24 23:32
66F:推 shifa:看完只覺得球團談判技巧很差… 01/25 00:01
67F:→ Highflying:好笑的是 50M托買家虧 但賣家拿錢買了卡羅爾也虧 01/25 00:50
68F:→ hattrick:35M = 一個過時的前鋒搭配概念 這證明的代價 還真不小 01/25 02:01
69F:→ hattrick:Torres 根本無法滿足Chelsea的前鋒需求 Eto效果還比他好 01/25 02:03
70F:→ hattrick:Torres要是沒走 highlight鏡頭不會那麼少 進球也是 01/25 02:06
71F:→ hattrick:Salah 不過就像個Benayoun 8M至10M的行情 01/25 02:09
72F:→ hattrick:炒成16M 也只能說轉會市場的成交價格是沒有參考價值的 01/25 02:10
73F:推 Verola:再去跟車車租過來不就好了 閣下租車 應有盡有 01/25 14:42
74F:推 Highflying:樓上中肯 淚推 01/25 15:08
75F:→ cielazure:So...車車懂的話,將羅梅烏也一起租過來吧(??? 01/25 16:03
76F:推 ronray7799:蘇牙下季起將領20萬鎊週薪,這筆續約簽的超聰明,因為 01/25 16:22
77F:→ ronray7799:沒幾支球隊給的起,給的起的會不會出手又很難說,巴黎 01/25 16:22
78F:→ ronray7799:拜仁皇馬巴薩曼城都不缺頂級前鋒,比較有可能的說不定 01/25 16:22
79F:→ ronray7799:是車車,如果車車要買肯定有60m入手,拿這筆錢好好學南 01/25 16:22
80F:→ ronray7799:安普敦如何打造球隊,加上現有陣容,前途怎麼看都不算 01/25 16:22
81F:→ ronray7799:黯淡。 01/25 16:22
82F:→ Highflying:羅梅屋租來利鳥 身為車迷我樂觀其成 01/25 22:01
83F:→ Highflying:結果拖拖交易的最大贏家是紐卡!!!???Y 01/25 22:02
84F:→ JinAnfield:羨慕車迷 01/25 22:40
85F:推 Highflying:不 馬塔害我快哭了 01/26 13:58







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