作者JinAnfield (Liverpool)
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标题[情报] 埃及梅西转会真相
时间Fri Jan 24 09:01:33 2014
和各位致歉啊,早上太忙了, 有几个段落的前後文没看仔细,造成翻译上的错误.
现在已补完
国外网友po的这张图满好笑的
http://ppt.cc/wabZ
懒得看全文的可以直接看以下的中文重点整理~
Interesting post on Salah deal on RAWK:
Ok guys, I was the source the RAWK source during this whole thing. I didn't
want to reveal myself cause I didn't want to get bombarded with PMs every
couple of hours about him, but since this one is basically as good as over
for us, there is no harm in pointing out some details about this transfer to
let the RAWK universe know how much we fucked up during this transfer as my
source is as close to the player as you can get.
First of all, let me tell you that I'm not a fan of the club overpaying by
any stretch, I hate it when clubs like City or Chelsea pay over the top fees
for the likes of Lescott or Shaun Wright Phillips cause that means the market
is inflated. However, just because the market is inflated doesn't mean that
there are some players out there who are worth a good chunk of money to be
paid for.
There is also a fine line between being too smart and being too smart for
your own good, I didn't exactly followed the ins & outs of our other
negotiation models with the other targets in the summer but there is a
pattern developing of us missing out on first targets like Dempsey,
Mkhitaryan, Costa, Willian and bar a miracle now, Salah. It is hard to
properly judge the transfer committee plus I feel for the scouts who have
their hard work cut out for when a club comes in and gets the players we have
been following for months.
Now we were following Salah closely since October, we sent a lot of scouts to
Basel games, began negotiating in November and his agent met with Ayre in the
West Ham game to discuss terms with them. We had a verbal agreement with
Basel regarding everything and we quickly became Salah's favoured destination
as he saw us as a club where he can grow, get a lot of 1st team action and
become a world class player. I don't know what happened between Salah's agent
and Ayre, but the impression that the club got from that meeting was that, in
reality there is no way Salah is going to leave for anyone bar Liverpool
and/or there are no real offers on the table for Basel bar us. When we got to
sending Basel our opening offer, it was a laughable offer well below what was
verbally agreed upon, think of Wenger 40 million plus one pound bid, this was
even more laughable.
帮各位划一下重点..
我们的球探在10月就已经在考察埃及梅西, 在11月Ayre和他的经纪人在西汉姆的比赛中就
已经有讨论此次的转会, 并且和巴塞尔在转会细节上有口头协议.
我们提出的第一次报价,是让人想翻桌的. 何谓想翻桌? 就像温格当初报价40m+1
这就是让人想翻桌的~
Basel raised their as a result of being pissed off. We tried to up our offer
but it was again well below what was previously agreed upon and Basel didn't
want to lower their demands as they sensed that we were wasting their time.
They even began courting other clubs that Salah is available. Milan & Inter
thought that Basel's original demands were too high for them, Leverkusen,
Wolfsburg & Monchengladbach were ready to pay but Salah didn't want to go to
Germany. Basel tried to claim that Atletico was interested but it was a bluff
by all accounts, however a host of other clubs wanted to be kept updated on
the deal one of whom was Chelsea.
巴塞尔提高了埃及梅西的价位因为被激怒到. 我们试着提高我们的报价, 但巴塞尔也
不想让步,觉得我们没有诚意,是在浪费他们时间. 所以巴塞尔引诱其他的俱乐部让他们知
道埃及梅西可以卖唷~ 米兰,国米认为巴塞尔的要价太高.勒卧库森,狼堡, 等德甲的俱乐部
都有出价,但是他不想去德国踢球. 甚至巴塞尔还说连马竞都想买唷~ 但我们觉得
巴塞尔在唬烂. 然而切尔西却一直在旁虎视眈眈企图拦胡.
Since we saw that Salah didn't want to go to the Bundesliga and with no other
club offering Basel any offer, we assumed he'll stay there till the summer
and we can re-open negotiations, but Newcastle offered Basel a good first
offer and now him coming to us in the summer was in doubt if Basel &
Newcastle agree a fee. That's why we came back with a much more improved
offer, almost what was verbally agreed upon before the window even started.
Salah's personal demands were also agreed previously so there was no problems
with him & his agent, just us agreeing some minor details with Basel.
Chelsea, who were updated on the deal, at last asked about his availability
and Basel asked about 8 million more than what we were offering (they tried
to fleece Chelsea and I'm sorry last night I got confused cause I
misunderstood my source as telling me Chelsea offered 8 million more, which
isn't true) but Chelsea really offered a couple of million more than us but
with a lot of add ons that favour Basel heavily, we didn't even hesitate and
backed off, not even matching their deal.
我们知道了埃及梅西不想去德国踢球, 而且没有其他俱乐部有提出报价,我们以为他会留到
赛季末, 待夏转时再来谈判. 但是该死的纽卡给了一分不错的报价, 我们抖了一下.
如果巴塞尔同意了纽卡的报价,那夏转就毁了~ 所以这就是为什麽我们提高了报价.
早在冬转之前我们就已经有口头上的协议, 埃及梅西的待遇及个人条款也达成共识
这时候切尔西出来抢人了, 询问了巴塞尔有没有想卖的意愿, 而巴塞尔开了比我们当初的
报价多了8M,(他们想趁火打劫切尔西一笔, 很抱歉我搞混了,我误解了我线人的爆料,
他说切尔西已经报价8M以上了, 但实际上不是)
但切尔西的报价确实比我们高但是多了一些浮动奖金, 而这让巴塞尔很心动. 但我们毫不
犹豫的也跟了,但是我们的报价还是低过切尔西.
The only thing stopping Salah from going to Chelsea is that he doesn't want
to go there, full stop. Him & his advisers believe he won't get much playing
time there and if it is in his hands, it is better to stay at Basel and wait
till the summer to get his move, however Basel want to sell & get their money
now and begin scouting their next target (who will also be from Egypt). There
is a third club who asked for Salah's availability (my source won't tell me
cause Salah doesn't want this to go public as he prefers to join that third
club over Chelsea and doesn't want a repeat of the fiasco surrounding his
negotiations with Liverpool) but like I said barring a miracle, most probably
he won't be our player come the end of the window.
事实上埃及梅西不想去切尔西,因为去那边要坐板凳, 他反而希望到夏天在走, 但巴塞尔
贪财,希望赶快卖掉他,拿到资金在去买下一个球员.
What makes this irritating is that we wasted three months of scouting him,
weeks of negotiations and then tried to lowball Basel and looked stupid at
the end when we fell flat on our arses. Board wise, there have to be some
questions asked about how good we are at negotiating some deals.
很肚烂的是我们浪费了三个月的时间考察及谈判.
还有一个很大的问题, 我们在转会协商的谈判真他妈的好棒棒~
所以这应该不难解释为什麽Ayre被谯成这样.. 如果一开始不要报这种让人想翻桌的价钱
或许被拦胡的机会不那麽高~ 不过足球的世界就是降啦~ 有钱最大. 希望我军能打造成
像多特蒙德这样,小成本经营,还能踢得有模有样 ==
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※ 编辑: JinAnfield 来自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 09:04)
1F:→ mithralin:我们出8m,Basel要12m,结果就是被出11m的切尔西拦胡 01/24 09:06
2F:→ JinAnfield:切尔西还有加一些浮动奖金 01/24 09:08
3F:→ JinAnfield:我们也是不爽被抬价,想等夏转,结果XD 01/24 09:08
4F:推 benjamin99:翻译好像跟原文有点差距 ... 01/24 09:19
5F:→ JinAnfield:哪里?? @@ 01/24 09:21
6F:推 JakeMcGee:没关系啦 车车人太挤就会外租→卖掉 届时再捡便宜就好 01/24 09:23
7F:→ JakeMcGee:不然就是花钱买来→租→卖小钱→再花大钱回购XDD 01/24 09:24
8F:推 benjamin99:一开始的前几段吧. 01/24 09:33
9F:→ benjamin99:原文的意思比较像我们从一开始的书面 offer 就有问题 01/24 09:33
10F:→ benjamin99:一开始的报价远比口头承诺的低, 01/24 09:34
11F:→ benjamin99:甚至让 Basel 一度觉得我们是来乱的, 01/24 09:34
12F:推 barney6211:可以不要每次都加什麽"以下开始嘘"之类的吗? 01/24 09:34
13F:→ barney6211:不一定有顺利转会或有顺利结果,但不管怎样就是支持利 01/24 09:35
14F:→ benjamin99:Basel 才怒而提高需求以及去找其他俱乐部 01/24 09:35
15F:→ barney6211:从来没想要嘘谁的意思= = 01/24 09:36
16F:推 barney6211:然後切尔西8M那里,是比我们多出8M 01/24 09:38
17F:推 benjamin99:另外 Chelsea 提出报价那边,我们也没有立刻加码, 01/24 09:38
18F:→ benjamin99:原文是说经由 Basel 通知知道 Chelsea 的报价後我们就 01/24 09:38
19F:→ benjamin99:直接放弃了 01/24 09:38
20F:→ barney6211:不是切尔西出8M~ 反正就是人家有钱 01/24 09:39
21F:→ benjamin99:连要匹配的意思都没有 01/24 09:39
※ 编辑: JinAnfield 来自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 09:47)
※ 编辑: JinAnfield 来自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 09:47)
※ 编辑: JinAnfield 来自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 09:55)
22F:→ JinAnfield:不好意思有些内文当初没看清楚 晚点会更正 01/24 10:05
23F:推 pandawu1985:推一个~反正这些年被拦习惯了...唉 01/24 10:44
24F:推 mesenchymal:就租来吧看看吧XD 01/24 10:45
25F:推 Ikeaboy:99% .....???? 01/24 11:50
26F:推 pcmaner:没100趴都不能相信....... 01/24 11:55
27F:推 LZ77:期待夏转甩卖苏亚换60m, 依照最近红军平均出价,60m大概可以 01/24 12:01
28F:→ LZ77:换八到十个球员,整队重建完成! 01/24 12:01
※ 编辑: JinAnfield 来自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 12:41)
29F:推 USSMissouri:那些年,我们一直被拦胡的新援 01/24 12:35
30F:→ JinAnfield: ---丸把刃 01/24 12:44
欣慰的是,我们也当过土豪,
1. 3500万镑霸气买下锋霸卡罗尔
2. 2000万镑打包唐宁
3. 1200万?拿下黑猫新秀亨德森
4. 800万抢到亚当
※ 编辑: JinAnfield 来自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 13:00)
31F:推 pcmaner:准备变温格第二了... 01/24 13:02
32F:推 yeadean:亨神好像是16M 01/24 13:27
33F:推 volfken:甩卖苏牙用60M换回8个球员大概就真的重建成保级球队了 01/24 13:30
34F:→ JinAnfield:听说那时候黑猫的心理价位是400, 国王报了一千多 01/24 13:41
35F:→ JinAnfield:不过亨神进步神速, OK啦 01/24 13:41
36F:推 volfken:年轻有潜力的户口本400不可能啦 应该只是乡野传奇 01/24 13:45
37F:推 madduxowen:迥揪表示: 01/24 13:54
38F:→ JinAnfield: 我是佛地魔 01/24 14:03
39F:→ JinAnfield:与其花3500万镑买卡罗尔,不如买本特纳,又便宜 01/24 14:12
40F:推 mmmmm123:3500 买阿魁罗 现在的利物浦应该 唉 = = 01/24 14:30
41F:推 oldeight2009:当初2007能买阿奎罗的机会已经去买另一个金童了 01/24 14:38
42F:推 LZ77:重建保级还要把教练换成more yes... 01/24 15:01
43F:推 LZ77:或是老板心想变成保级选秀顺位比较高.... 阿 英超没有选秀会 01/24 15:04
44F:→ LZ77:吗? 01/24 15:04
45F:→ JinAnfield:Torres是被我们自己搞死用废的,怪不得谁 01/24 15:15
46F:推 madduxowen:托托被我们搞死用废? 为何 01/24 15:41
47F:推 oldeight2009:天子算是我们神交易之一耶 01/24 15:43
48F:推 maikxz:原来废掉还可以甩卖50M >.^ 01/24 15:47
49F:→ Torreschu:托妞这笔交易超划算好吗! 01/24 15:50
50F:推 thejam:用废了然後卖了50m 没有人要怪谁 01/24 15:57
51F:推 barney6211:的确,35M买C9很亏,但不要忘了50M卖托 01/24 15:57
喔 我是指他来利物浦之後,没有一个搬得上台面的替补, 只有恩格这种等级的
所以他就不断的上场不断的受伤, 到最後还50M卖出, 超赚~
※ 编辑: JinAnfield 来自: 60.249.184.208 (01/24 15:58)
52F:推 mithralin:说到Ngog,他似乎要被天鹅海买去了 01/24 16:19
53F:推 Renaud:天子的50M其实只有25M是球技 另外25是脸蛋XD 01/24 16:57
54F:→ JinAnfield:NG有进步吗= =... 01/24 17:03
55F:→ JinAnfield:现在T9不知道剩几M 01/24 17:03
56F:推 yeadean:先口头协定好,我们再报低於协定的价格,搞什麽东西 01/24 18:19
57F:→ yeadean:是认为不会有人来抢,还是以为球员一定会加入 01/24 18:19
58F:→ cielazure:至少T9的球衣还是好卖 01/24 20:19
59F:推 pcmaner:这次球团高层真旳处理不够好...... 01/24 20:48
60F:推 USSMissouri:不只这次,还有上次Dempsey也是这样 01/24 20:55
61F:→ JinAnfield:为什麽当初没有中东石油乾爹收购我们?以我们的球迷数 01/24 21:26
62F:→ JinAnfield:量,历史,比曼城强多了 01/24 21:26
63F:推 USSMissouri:选曼城这种球队,他们中东财团的存在刻印感才强烈 01/24 21:39
64F:→ USSMissouri:而且利物浦在2007年也不是没机会被油王收购过 01/24 21:40
65F:推 bigDwinsch:Don't compete money with Abramovic! 01/24 23:32
66F:推 shifa:看完只觉得球团谈判技巧很差… 01/25 00:01
67F:→ Highflying:好笑的是 50M托买家亏 但卖家拿钱买了卡罗尔也亏 01/25 00:50
68F:→ hattrick:35M = 一个过时的前锋搭配概念 这证明的代价 还真不小 01/25 02:01
69F:→ hattrick:Torres 根本无法满足Chelsea的前锋需求 Eto效果还比他好 01/25 02:03
70F:→ hattrick:Torres要是没走 highlight镜头不会那麽少 进球也是 01/25 02:06
71F:→ hattrick:Salah 不过就像个Benayoun 8M至10M的行情 01/25 02:09
72F:→ hattrick:炒成16M 也只能说转会市场的成交价格是没有参考价值的 01/25 02:10
73F:推 Verola:再去跟车车租过来不就好了 阁下租车 应有尽有 01/25 14:42
74F:推 Highflying:楼上中肯 泪推 01/25 15:08
75F:→ cielazure:So...车车懂的话,将罗梅乌也一起租过来吧(??? 01/25 16:03
76F:推 ronray7799:苏牙下季起将领20万镑周薪,这笔续约签的超聪明,因为 01/25 16:22
77F:→ ronray7799:没几支球队给的起,给的起的会不会出手又很难说,巴黎 01/25 16:22
78F:→ ronray7799:拜仁皇马巴萨曼城都不缺顶级前锋,比较有可能的说不定 01/25 16:22
79F:→ ronray7799:是车车,如果车车要买肯定有60m入手,拿这笔钱好好学南 01/25 16:22
80F:→ ronray7799:安普敦如何打造球队,加上现有阵容,前途怎麽看都不算 01/25 16:22
81F:→ ronray7799:黯淡。 01/25 16:22
82F:→ Highflying:罗梅屋租来利鸟 身为车迷我乐观其成 01/25 22:01
83F:→ Highflying:结果拖拖交易的最大赢家是纽卡!!!???Y 01/25 22:02
84F:→ JinAnfield:羡慕车迷 01/25 22:40
85F:推 Highflying:不 马塔害我快哭了 01/26 13:58