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標題[新聞] Debian Begins A General Resolution To Decide What To
時間Sun Aug 28 04:39:05 2022
Debian Begins A General Resolution To Decide What To Do With Non-Free Firmware
Written by Michael Larabel in Debian on 27 August 2022 at 12:24 PM EDT.
Debian has begun a general resolution process to solicit a vote by its stakeholders what to do with non-free firmware.
Debian currently doesn't load non-free firmware by default on its systems, even when it means no working hardware support/acceleration without those binary elements. Not loading the non-free firmware can also mean missing out on security updates or for addressing usability issues.
Earlier this year was a discussion about Debian changing its closed-source firmware stance and now it's moving forward into the general resolution process.
Until the start of September is the discussion period ahead of the general resolution vote for solidifying Debian's new stance on non-free firmware. The options being considered are:
Option A - Include non-free firmware packages on the official installation media. The firmware binaries would be normally enabled by default where needed for hardware support but explore ways to let users disable the support at boot if desired. The Debian installer or live system would have a means of informing the user about what firmware is loaded whether it be free or non-free. This would replace Debian's current install media that does not include the non-free firmware packages.
Option B - Include non-free firmware onto the official media along similar lines to Option A. However, the difference is this option would not replace the current Debian media sets. These Debian images would be separate, complementary images to the current install media that does not include non-free firmware.
Option C - Making install media that contains packages from the non-free firmware section of the Debian archive and make it available for download alongside the free (purely free software) media in a way that the user is informed before downloading the media about the free option.
See the Debian general resolution page for the proposed options in full.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-Non-Free-Firmware-GR
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選項A: 官方安裝映像檔包含non-free firmware
且不再提供不含non-free firmware的安裝映像檔。
選項B: 官方安裝映像檔包含non-free firmware
同時也提供不含non-free firmware的安裝映像檔。
選項C: 看不太懂跟B的差別，求翻譯。
愈來愈多硬體需要non-free firmware才能正常運作，Debian團隊也不得不妥協了。
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1F：→ bitlife: 選項C是包含non-free,從網路下載,在下載前會提示使用者 08/28 07:32
2F：推 ivon852: C是像Ubuntu那樣安裝時有選項能下載專有韌體吧 08/28 11:46
https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/08/msg00001.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/08/msg00046.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/08/msg00106.html
謝謝樓上兩位
我看ABC的原文分別是這樣寫的
A有特別提到只會塞non-free firmware進安裝映像檔
B是從A改來的，所以AB兩個選項在這部份的主張一樣
但C感覺好像只要是non-free的package都能塞進安裝映像檔
而不僅限於non-free firmware?
不過不管怎樣
Debian安裝映像檔總算是即將變得比較友善
不會在安裝過程因為缺少firmware而卡關
也不用再去用那個含有non-free firmware但卻被官方宣稱"非官方"的安裝映像檔
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
3F：推 Bencrie: 最基本的 gpu、eth、wifi 08/28 11:54
在Reddit看到這個，忍不住笑了出來
https://i.imgur.com/1KtTeP4.png
4F：推 Richun: 原先安裝檔是free only，我先簡稱它是O。 08/28 15:44
5F：→ Richun: A是用一個包含non-free的安裝檔取代掉O 08/28 15:45
6F：→ Richun: B是同時提供O跟A的安裝檔給你自己選 08/28 15:46
7F：→ Richun: C是只小改一下O，讓你有選項可以下載non-free package 08/28 15:46
8F：→ Richun: A選項對一般人來說最方便，但對於信仰自由的人最不能接受 08/28 15:48
9F：→ Richun: C選項是最能讓信仰自由的人接受，但無線網卡還是先不能用 08/28 15:50
一般人看得到投票結果嗎？
還是要等Debian下一版出來才能知道？
10F：→ idisnothing: 等投完票後就會在官網公佈結果了 問了個傻問題 08/29 14:48
11F：推 Arbin: 選項C不是mini-installer iso的做法嗎，雖然目前跟半殘差 08/29 15:41
12F：→ Arbin: 不多 08/29 15:41
13F：→ Arbin: （自己裝過一遍結果amdgpu還是沒裝上，開機直接進不了xorg 08/29 15:41
14F：→ Arbin: ，笑死） 08/29 15:41
15F：推 Bencrie: 還是自己做開機片用 debootstrap 裝比較安全 08/29 16:04
16F：推 holishing: 好久沒玩 debootstrap 了, 文件是看 Arch 的步驟微調嗎 08/31 14:03
17F：推 Bencrie: 其實也沒有要調什麼，root 密碼要改就是 XD 08/31 20:50
18F：→ Bencrie: tzdata locale 那些都可以之後再調 08/31 20:51
19F：→ idisnothing: 又多一個選項了 自由派教徒正式參戰!!! 09/03 17:21
21F：推 liumang: 不知道如果最後是A過的話 debian開發社群會不會分裂 09/04 00:32
22F：推 Alica: 這種分裂成本很低(就做個沒韌體的di和iso)其實想分就分 09/05 17:23
23F：→ Alica: 之後看純淨版iso多少人下 就知道有多少基本教義派惹 09/05 17:24
24F：推 liumang: 現在出現了選項E www 09/11 12:57
25F：→ liumang: 而且目前看起來還要延長討論到14號 09/11 12:59
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/09/msg00166.html
又有新提案了
E = A + 修改DSC
F = B + 修改DSC
"Debian will remain 100% free" 這條公約到了現今似乎成了大麻煩
※ 編輯: idisnothing (220.133.92.191 臺灣), 09/15/2022 05:31:34
26F：推 liumang: 幾天沒follow 他們已經開始投票 應該是10/1會有結果了 09/22 10:08