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标题[新闻] Debian Begins A General Resolution To Decide What To
时间Sun Aug 28 04:39:05 2022
Debian Begins A General Resolution To Decide What To Do With Non-Free Firmware
Written by Michael Larabel in Debian on 27 August 2022 at 12:24 PM EDT.
Debian has begun a general resolution process to solicit a vote by its stakeholders what to do with non-free firmware.
Debian currently doesn't load non-free firmware by default on its systems, even when it means no working hardware support/acceleration without those binary elements. Not loading the non-free firmware can also mean missing out on security updates or for addressing usability issues.
Earlier this year was a discussion about Debian changing its closed-source firmware stance and now it's moving forward into the general resolution process.
Until the start of September is the discussion period ahead of the general resolution vote for solidifying Debian's new stance on non-free firmware. The options being considered are:
Option A - Include non-free firmware packages on the official installation media. The firmware binaries would be normally enabled by default where needed for hardware support but explore ways to let users disable the support at boot if desired. The Debian installer or live system would have a means of informing the user about what firmware is loaded whether it be free or non-free. This would replace Debian's current install media that does not include the non-free firmware packages.
Option B - Include non-free firmware onto the official media along similar lines to Option A. However, the difference is this option would not replace the current Debian media sets. These Debian images would be separate, complementary images to the current install media that does not include non-free firmware.
Option C - Making install media that contains packages from the non-free firmware section of the Debian archive and make it available for download alongside the free (purely free software) media in a way that the user is informed before downloading the media about the free option.
See the Debian general resolution page for the proposed options in full.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-Non-Free-Firmware-GR
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选项A: 官方安装映像档包含non-free firmware
且不再提供不含non-free firmware的安装映像档。
选项B: 官方安装映像档包含non-free firmware
同时也提供不含non-free firmware的安装映像档。
选项C: 看不太懂跟B的差别,求翻译。
愈来愈多硬体需要non-free firmware才能正常运作,Debian团队也不得不妥协了。
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1F:→ bitlife: 选项C是包含non-free,从网路下载,在下载前会提示使用者 08/28 07:32
2F:推 ivon852: C是像Ubuntu那样安装时有选项能下载专有韧体吧 08/28 11:46
https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/08/msg00001.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/08/msg00046.html
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/08/msg00106.html
谢谢楼上两位
我看ABC的原文分别是这样写的
A有特别提到只会塞non-free firmware进安装映像档
B是从A改来的,所以AB两个选项在这部份的主张一样
但C感觉好像只要是non-free的package都能塞进安装映像档
而不仅限於non-free firmware?
不过不管怎样
Debian安装映像档总算是即将变得比较友善
不会在安装过程因为缺少firmware而卡关
也不用再去用那个含有non-free firmware但却被官方宣称"非官方"的安装映像档
https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
3F:推 Bencrie: 最基本的 gpu、eth、wifi 08/28 11:54
在Reddit看到这个,忍不住笑了出来
https://i.imgur.com/1KtTeP4.png
4F:推 Richun: 原先安装档是free only,我先简称它是O。 08/28 15:44
5F:→ Richun: A是用一个包含non-free的安装档取代掉O 08/28 15:45
6F:→ Richun: B是同时提供O跟A的安装档给你自己选 08/28 15:46
7F:→ Richun: C是只小改一下O,让你有选项可以下载non-free package 08/28 15:46
8F:→ Richun: A选项对一般人来说最方便,但对於信仰自由的人最不能接受 08/28 15:48
9F:→ Richun: C选项是最能让信仰自由的人接受,但无线网卡还是先不能用 08/28 15:50
一般人看得到投票结果吗?
还是要等Debian下一版出来才能知道?
10F:→ idisnothing: 等投完票後就会在官网公布结果了 问了个傻问题 08/29 14:48
11F:推 Arbin: 选项C不是mini-installer iso的做法吗,虽然目前跟半残差 08/29 15:41
12F:→ Arbin: 不多 08/29 15:41
13F:→ Arbin: (自己装过一遍结果amdgpu还是没装上,开机直接进不了xorg 08/29 15:41
14F:→ Arbin: ,笑死) 08/29 15:41
15F:推 Bencrie: 还是自己做开机片用 debootstrap 装比较安全 08/29 16:04
16F:推 holishing: 好久没玩 debootstrap 了, 文件是看 Arch 的步骤微调吗 08/31 14:03
17F:推 Bencrie: 其实也没有要调什麽,root 密码要改就是 XD 08/31 20:50
18F:→ Bencrie: tzdata locale 那些都可以之後再调 08/31 20:51
19F:→ idisnothing: 又多一个选项了 自由派教徒正式参战!!! 09/03 17:21
21F:推 liumang: 不知道如果最後是A过的话 debian开发社群会不会分裂 09/04 00:32
22F:推 Alica: 这种分裂成本很低(就做个没韧体的di和iso)其实想分就分 09/05 17:23
23F:→ Alica: 之後看纯净版iso多少人下 就知道有多少基本教义派惹 09/05 17:24
24F:推 liumang: 现在出现了选项E www 09/11 12:57
25F:→ liumang: 而且目前看起来还要延长讨论到14号 09/11 12:59
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/09/msg00166.html
又有新提案了
E = A + 修改DSC
F = B + 修改DSC
"Debian will remain 100% free" 这条公约到了现今似乎成了大麻烦
※ 编辑: idisnothing (220.133.92.191 台湾), 09/15/2022 05:31:34
26F:推 liumang: 几天没follow 他们已经开始投票 应该是10/1会有结果了 09/22 10:08