作者abc12812 (Sudba tseloveka)
看板HCKuo
標題[討論] 誰的快速球最難打？
時間Thu Aug 28 20:25:48 2008
※ [本文轉錄自 MLB 看板]
作者: abc12812 (Sudba tseloveka) 看板: MLB
標題: Re: [分享] Baseball America's 2008 Best Tools
時間: Thu Aug 28 19:17:12 2008
: BEST PITCHER
: NL AL
: 1. Brandon Webb, Diamondbacks 1. Roy Halladay, Blue Jays
: 2. Tim Lincecum, Giants 2. Cliff Lee, Indians
: 3. Carlos Zambrano, Cubs 3. Josh Beckett, Red Sox
: BEST FASTBALL
: NL AL
: 1. Tim Lincecum, Giants 1. Joel Zumaya, Tigers
: 2. Ben Sheets, Brewers 2. Brandon Morrow, Mariners
: 3. Edinson Volquez, Reds 3. Joba Chamberlain, Yankees
: BEST CURVEBALL
: NL AL
: 1. Ben Sheets, Brewers 1. Josh Beckett, Red Sox
: 2. Tim Lincecum, Giants 2. Francisco Rodriguez, Angels
: 3. Cole Hamels, Phillies 3. A.J. Burnett, Blue Jays
: BEST SLIDER
: NL AL
: 1. Jake Peavy, Padres 1. Joe Nathan, Twins
: 2. Brad Lidge, Phillies 2. Scott Kazmir, Rays
: 3. John Smoltz, Braves 3. Roy Halladay, Blue Jays
: BEST CHANGEUP
: NL AL
: 1. Johan Santana, Mets 1. James Shields, Rays
: 2. Cole Hamels, Phillies 2. Cliff Lee, Indians
: 3. Edinson Volquez, Reds 3. Mark Buehrle, White Sox
: BEST CONTROL
: NL AL
: 1. Dan Haren, Diamondbacks 1. Roy Halladay, Blue Jays
: 2. Greg Maddux, Padres 2. Justin Duchscherer, Athletics
: 3. Cole Hamels, Phillies 3. Mike Mussina, Yankees
提供幾位明星投手的各個球種的被打擊率，來比較一下
Fastball Curve Slider Changeup Other
Johan Santana .258 .236 .175
Edinson Volquez .246 .241 .360 .202
Ben Sheets
.241 .247
Brandon Webb .277 .206
.106
Tim Lincecum .257
.172 .169 .190
Dan Haren .282 .262 .201 .174(splitter)
Carlos Zambrano .260 .192 .237
Roy Halladay .264 .191 .315 .307
Cliff Lee .259 .207 .329 .294
Justin Duchscherer .259 .186 .180
Ervin Santana .282 .164 .201 .283
Scott Kazmir .243 .221 .281
Joe Saunders .269 .308 .234 .267
Brad Lidge .260 .146
Kerry Wood .243 .176
.079
Billy Wagner .224 .158
Joe Nathan .213 .164
Jonathan Papelbon
.143 .333 .189
Mariano Rivera
.217
Francisco Rodriguez .286 .090 .184 .155
Joakim Soria .209
.069 .231 .171
Kuo .194 .333 .307
: BEST RELIEVER
: NL AL
: 1. Brad Lidge, Phillies 1. Mariano Rivera, Yankees
: 2. Brian Wilson, Giants 2. Francisco Rodriguez, Angels
: 3. Kerry Wood, Cubs 3. Jonathan Papelbon, Red Sox
用WPA來看的話:
Brad Lidge 4.31
Joe Nathan 4.28
Brad Ziegler 3.76
Brian Wilson 3.60
Joakim Soria 3.49
Bobby Jenks 3.40
Francisco Rodriguez 3.29
Mariano Rivera 3.19
Scott Downs 3.12
Ron Mahay 2.81
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1F：推 HolyGhost:MO只有直球...尾勁卻飛來飛去, 帥呀 08/28 19:20
2F：推 pikachu123:MO:Fastball only!! 08/28 19:37
3F：→ jack18262:MO: wut is breaking ball?? 08/28 19:51
4F：推 greengreen42:他的對手可以嗆他，就是因為沒變化球才會先發轉後援 08/28 19:53
5F：推 steven850405:MO會嗆回去 我不用變化球就把打者吃死死 08/28 19:54
6F：→ globekiller:I can't 魂!!!! 08/28 19:54
7F：推 Belladonaa:先發是0:0開始唷 08/28 19:55
8F：→ OoyaoO:我很想知道寶貝碰用直球的比率到底多高 GAMEDAY上都是連發 08/28 19:59
9F：推 shoe:有沒有Kuo的？ 08/28 19:59
10F：推 KoAnne:Papelbon 直球比率大概80% 08/28 20:01
11F：推 shirlyfen:Kuo還不是CL 08/28 20:02
12F：→ abc12812:補上小小郭的數據 08/28 20:03
※ 編輯: abc12812 來自: 140.112.5.3 (08/28 20:04)
13F：推 pikachu123:Kuo直球果然很威 08/28 20:05
14F：推 KoAnne:那我補上Kuo使用比例~y 08/28 20:05
15F：推 Belladonaa:Kuo 的 WPA/LI 也排很前面 08/28 20:05
16F：→ KoAnne:Fastball 79.7% Curve 9.5% Slider 10.72% 08/28 20:06
17F：推 son8868:Kuo的速球打不到 所以專挑其他球種打嗎XDD 08/28 20:11
18F：推 Emcc:這裡的fastball應該不單指直球吧 應該還包含sinker cutter... 08/28 20:12
19F：推 KoAnne:Yes 大體算成直球系 08/28 20:14
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20F：推 lcu481131:捕手很輕鬆 拼命CALL速球就好了 08/28 22:56
21F：推 CCZ:接那種直球一點也不輕鬆吧.... 08/29 00:02
22F：推 aresa:光那個本壘板變化的尾勁就不好接了，好接的球怎麼會不好打 08/29 00:59
23F：推 geniusroger:反而咖夫和思賴打被輕鬆打 08/29 09:14
24F：推 bolifayfay:所以馬丁也真的是厲害 08/29 11:04
25F：推 nycmw040:狂丟直球 不配速 再強都會被打爆。。 08/29 13:51
26F：推 DLCSEA:變化球只是指有off-speed的球種嗎？ cutter之類的都不是嗎 08/29 14:01
27F：→ DLCSEA:90miles差不多的速球可以直走、上飄、打者左右竄,應該很難 08/29 14:02
28F：→ DLCSEA:判斷吧..對打者來說一局不足以破解與適應 08/29 14:03
29F：→ DLCSEA:Mo真的是此中強者 08/29 14:06
30F：→ DLCSEA:更何況狀況好他都可以上95~90miles左右 08/29 14:07
31F：推 lcu481131:MO就沒被打爆 08/29 15:55
32F：推 Rodriguez:Mo也是有被打爆過的..待在MLB夠久的哪個投手沒被爆過 08/30 12:18
33F：推 henrywon:真當他是神= =... 沒聽過"Welcome to MLB???" 08/31 01:18