作者abc12812 (Sudba tseloveka)
看板HCKuo
标题[讨论] 谁的快速球最难打？
时间Thu Aug 28 20:25:48 2008
※ [本文转录自 MLB 看板]
作者: abc12812 (Sudba tseloveka) 看板: MLB
标题: Re: [分享] Baseball America's 2008 Best Tools
时间: Thu Aug 28 19:17:12 2008
: BEST PITCHER
: NL AL
: 1. Brandon Webb, Diamondbacks 1. Roy Halladay, Blue Jays
: 2. Tim Lincecum, Giants 2. Cliff Lee, Indians
: 3. Carlos Zambrano, Cubs 3. Josh Beckett, Red Sox
: BEST FASTBALL
: NL AL
: 1. Tim Lincecum, Giants 1. Joel Zumaya, Tigers
: 2. Ben Sheets, Brewers 2. Brandon Morrow, Mariners
: 3. Edinson Volquez, Reds 3. Joba Chamberlain, Yankees
: BEST CURVEBALL
: NL AL
: 1. Ben Sheets, Brewers 1. Josh Beckett, Red Sox
: 2. Tim Lincecum, Giants 2. Francisco Rodriguez, Angels
: 3. Cole Hamels, Phillies 3. A.J. Burnett, Blue Jays
: BEST SLIDER
: NL AL
: 1. Jake Peavy, Padres 1. Joe Nathan, Twins
: 2. Brad Lidge, Phillies 2. Scott Kazmir, Rays
: 3. John Smoltz, Braves 3. Roy Halladay, Blue Jays
: BEST CHANGEUP
: NL AL
: 1. Johan Santana, Mets 1. James Shields, Rays
: 2. Cole Hamels, Phillies 2. Cliff Lee, Indians
: 3. Edinson Volquez, Reds 3. Mark Buehrle, White Sox
: BEST CONTROL
: NL AL
: 1. Dan Haren, Diamondbacks 1. Roy Halladay, Blue Jays
: 2. Greg Maddux, Padres 2. Justin Duchscherer, Athletics
: 3. Cole Hamels, Phillies 3. Mike Mussina, Yankees
提供几位明星投手的各个球种的被打击率，来比较一下
Fastball Curve Slider Changeup Other
Johan Santana .258 .236 .175
Edinson Volquez .246 .241 .360 .202
Ben Sheets
.241 .247
Brandon Webb .277 .206
.106
Tim Lincecum .257
.172 .169 .190
Dan Haren .282 .262 .201 .174(splitter)
Carlos Zambrano .260 .192 .237
Roy Halladay .264 .191 .315 .307
Cliff Lee .259 .207 .329 .294
Justin Duchscherer .259 .186 .180
Ervin Santana .282 .164 .201 .283
Scott Kazmir .243 .221 .281
Joe Saunders .269 .308 .234 .267
Brad Lidge .260 .146
Kerry Wood .243 .176
.079
Billy Wagner .224 .158
Joe Nathan .213 .164
Jonathan Papelbon
.143 .333 .189
Mariano Rivera
.217
Francisco Rodriguez .286 .090 .184 .155
Joakim Soria .209
.069 .231 .171
Kuo .194 .333 .307
: BEST RELIEVER
: NL AL
: 1. Brad Lidge, Phillies 1. Mariano Rivera, Yankees
: 2. Brian Wilson, Giants 2. Francisco Rodriguez, Angels
: 3. Kerry Wood, Cubs 3. Jonathan Papelbon, Red Sox
用WPA来看的话:
Brad Lidge 4.31
Joe Nathan 4.28
Brad Ziegler 3.76
Brian Wilson 3.60
Joakim Soria 3.49
Bobby Jenks 3.40
Francisco Rodriguez 3.29
Mariano Rivera 3.19
Scott Downs 3.12
Ron Mahay 2.81
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1F：推 HolyGhost:MO只有直球...尾劲却飞来飞去, 帅呀 08/28 19:20
2F：推 pikachu123:MO:Fastball only!! 08/28 19:37
3F：→ jack18262:MO: wut is breaking ball?? 08/28 19:51
4F：推 greengreen42:他的对手可以呛他，就是因为没变化球才会先发转後援 08/28 19:53
5F：推 steven850405:MO会呛回去 我不用变化球就把打者吃死死 08/28 19:54
6F：→ globekiller:I can't 魂!!!! 08/28 19:54
7F：推 Belladonaa:先发是0:0开始唷 08/28 19:55
8F：→ OoyaoO:我很想知道宝贝碰用直球的比率到底多高 GAMEDAY上都是连发 08/28 19:59
9F：推 shoe:有没有Kuo的？ 08/28 19:59
10F：推 KoAnne:Papelbon 直球比率大概80% 08/28 20:01
11F：推 shirlyfen:Kuo还不是CL 08/28 20:02
12F：→ abc12812:补上小小郭的数据 08/28 20:03
※ 编辑: abc12812 来自: 140.112.5.3 (08/28 20:04)
13F：推 pikachu123:Kuo直球果然很威 08/28 20:05
14F：推 KoAnne:那我补上Kuo使用比例~y 08/28 20:05
15F：推 Belladonaa:Kuo 的 WPA/LI 也排很前面 08/28 20:05
16F：→ KoAnne:Fastball 79.7% Curve 9.5% Slider 10.72% 08/28 20:06
17F：推 son8868:Kuo的速球打不到 所以专挑其他球种打吗XDD 08/28 20:11
18F：推 Emcc:这里的fastball应该不单指直球吧 应该还包含sinker cutter... 08/28 20:12
19F：推 KoAnne:Yes 大体算成直球系 08/28 20:14
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20F：推 lcu481131:捕手很轻松 拼命CALL速球就好了 08/28 22:56
21F：推 CCZ:接那种直球一点也不轻松吧.... 08/29 00:02
22F：推 aresa:光那个本垒板变化的尾劲就不好接了，好接的球怎麽会不好打 08/29 00:59
23F：推 geniusroger:反而咖夫和思赖打被轻松打 08/29 09:14
24F：推 bolifayfay:所以马丁也真的是厉害 08/29 11:04
25F：推 nycmw040:狂丢直球 不配速 再强都会被打爆。。 08/29 13:51
26F：推 DLCSEA:变化球只是指有off-speed的球种吗？ cutter之类的都不是吗 08/29 14:01
27F：→ DLCSEA:90miles差不多的速球可以直走、上飘、打者左右窜,应该很难 08/29 14:02
28F：→ DLCSEA:判断吧..对打者来说一局不足以破解与适应 08/29 14:03
29F：→ DLCSEA:Mo真的是此中强者 08/29 14:06
30F：→ DLCSEA:更何况状况好他都可以上95~90miles左右 08/29 14:07
31F：推 lcu481131:MO就没被打爆 08/29 15:55
32F：推 Rodriguez:Mo也是有被打爆过的..待在MLB够久的哪个投手没被爆过 08/30 12:18
33F：推 henrywon:真当他是神= =... 没听过"Welcome to MLB???" 08/31 01:18