作者tengharold (RoadMan_A)
看板Eng-Class
標題Re: [文法] ____ it rains, go into the building.
時間Tue Feb 14 05:21:06 2012
※ 引述《paulchi (paul)》之銘言：
: 個人不認為 It is raining soon. 是好英文，但是從「同情的了解」角度
: 出發，能夠解出語意。
: 我相信tijj大到處詢問的高人們，也都是從這個角度來看待這個句子的。
: 因此如果將我上一帖編出的對話，拿去給英文母語人士看，我賭一塊錢，大多數會說
: 還過得去 (重點，不是正確，而是「還過得去」)，
: 尤其美國南方的鄉巴佬，要講文法規則，他們肯定輸給板上的各位賢達。
: 我比較好奇的是，大家的英文如果都這麼好，幹嘛不用英文來吵？
: 我起了頭，沒人要跟，很沒勁。
我有跟呀~ 問篇如果是純英文我回時都會回英文。
: xxx
: 語言是不斷演化的，
: 所以： You had better -> You better 這種variation，只要用得人多，
: 就會有編寫文法書的人，把它寫進去，
: 書印出來後，就會成為...成為...成為遠東小島國上的國民，捧著當作
: 聖經一樣，引經據典數落誰誰誰的英文不好、不夠道地、不夠正確的圭臬。
: Language is a tool through which we express our thoughts. The great
: comedian George Carlin once said that we do think in language, so the
: quality of our thoughts can only be as good as the quality of our
: language.
: You may think that the idea derived from the above statement justifies
: this lengthy debate over the validity of the expression in question.
: The hell it doesn't.
You realise this expression means "it does," right?
A: Theory 1 is correct.
B: Theory 1 is incorrect because it doesn't take into account Y.
A: The hell it doesn't. Y is taken care of in a corollary.
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: Fucking Carlin would be laughing in his grave knowing people on a far
: east island with adequate English proficiency have been so hung up
: on such trivial grammtical crap while what they really should be doing
: is have meaningful discussion on matters that actually CONCERN THEM,
: like cross-strait politics and economics, the Euro debt crisis,
: the environment and green energy and whatnot, because THAT would be
: great exercise to put their language skills to test - force themselves
: to THINK in English.
Carlin is funny but I wouldn't let a funny old man dictate what I like
to discuss. I discuss many of those things you mentioned - and yes, in
English - just not here. Doing that here would be off-topic.
And since I like to discuss many things with many different people, I believe
it's important to master grammar, so that I can think and write precisely.
: But hell no.
: We don't do that.
I find your assumption about the rest of us insulting.
: We have to dig deep and find out if 'it is raining soon'
: is grammatically correct.
: Pathetic. All of us.
I'd say 'dedicated' :)
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1F：推 l10nel:Haha, I was refraining from pointing out the 02/14 06:38
2F：→ l10nel:understandable, even common, yet incorrect 02/14 06:39
3F：→ l10nel:extending of "the hell" from popular constructions like 02/14 06:40
4F：→ l10nel:like Wh-word + "the hell" to "The hell it doesn't". :-) 02/14 06:41
5F：→ l10nel:But if you find yourself using "the hell" as an 02/14 06:45
6F：→ l10nel:intensifier indiscrimately, don't feel bad. Spock is 02/14 06:46
8F：推 l10nel:What's important is to stop treating bad English as 02/14 06:55
9F：→ l10nel:passable. Only then is there hope for improvement. 02/14 06:56
10F：→ nw4m:所以you better考試時到底可不可以這樣寫？那會不會被看為 02/14 07:14
11F：→ nw4m:不正確而被老師扣分啊？不正確和不正式不是該分清楚嗎？ 02/14 07:15
12F：→ nw4m:被老師扣分，誰要負責？ 02/14 07:15
13F：→ tengharold:l: I do not refrain :) 02/14 08:57
14F：→ tengharold:n大如果問我，我會說：不可以、會、是應該、你自己 02/14 08:58
15F：→ tengharold:我跟朋友講話時會不會 you better? 會。我今天如果考作 02/14 09:00
16F：→ tengharold:文會不會 you better? 不會。 02/14 09:00
17F：推 l10nel:+1 02/14 09:18
18F：推 paulchi:想太多. The hell it doesn't. 那部分只是口語英文，非錯 02/14 10:50
19F：→ paulchi:Pathetic. All of us. <-怎麼不說這裡是兩句沒S+V的句子？ 02/14 10:50
20F：→ paulchi:XD 02/14 10:50
21F：→ paulchi:'the hell' 只是加強語氣. it doesn't才是在否定上面的 02/14 10:51
22F：→ paulchi:'justify'這個動詞 02/14 10:51
23F：→ paulchi:l大也說了'understand, even COMMON' 我用的就是 02/14 10:52
24F：→ paulchi:common的英文。當然敢這樣用必須知道它其實是錯的。 02/14 10:53
25F：→ paulchi:oh I looked at it again and realized.... 02/14 10:59
26F：→ paulchi:I should have said "Hell it doesn't." 02/14 11:00
27F：→ paulchi:so i'll give it to you. there. 02/14 11:00
28F：推 Realthugz:what's wrong with trying to be articulate? 02/14 11:10
29F：→ tengharold:p大: the hell it does = it doesn't. 如我所說，就算 02/15 00:46
30F：→ tengharold:是口語也是有其規則。Pathetic 部分我完全理解是口語 02/15 00:47
31F：→ tengharold:the hell it does/doesn't 的問題在於邏輯而非文法 02/15 00:48
32F：→ tengharold:it's raining soon 的問題對我而言也是邏輯問題 02/15 00:48
33F：→ tengharold:BTW, "hell, it doesn't" = it doesn't 02/15 01:01
34F：→ tengharold:The hell it doesn't = it does 02/15 01:01
35F：→ tengharold:the hell it doesn't = it does 02/15 01:01
36F：→ tengharold:just making it clear. 02/15 01:02
37F：→ tengharold:oops I mean "the hell it does = it doesn't" 02/15 01:03