作者saltlake (SaltLake)
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標題Re: [假設] 民主國家君子政治崩塌
時間Mon Oct 11 22:05:07 2021
※ 引述《sanae0307 (防空棲姬人柱力)》之銘言:
: 果然不意外的,又產生現實台灣政治論戰了,不能明講就改偷酸的
: 現在的政治過敏真的越來越嚴重
: 所謂私德,就是不干大眾事務的部份
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真的啊?
首先一項對澳洲人的調查顯示,澳洲人不認同上面的觀點。
Most Australians expect politicians to lie, but we also think they should
resign if they do, Australia Talks survey reveals
By Casey Briggs
Posted Wed 16 Jun 2021 at 3:01amWednesday 16 Jun 2021 at 3:01am, updated Wed
16 Jun 2021 at 4:44am
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-16/australia-talks-when-should-politicians-resign/100217170
大部分澳洲人表示,我們預期政客會說謊,可一旦他們被抓到說謊,請辭職。
下面來點關於美國政客的性醜聞。
List of federal political sex scandals in the United States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_States
Many sex scandals in American history have involved incumbent United States
federal elected politicians, as well as persons appointed with the consent of
the United States Senate.[1][2][3] Sometimes, the officials have denied the
accusations, have apologized, or have lost their office in consequence of the
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scandal (e.g. by resigning, being defeated, or deciding not to run again).
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有些捲入性醜聞案的美國政客失去其職位(例如辭職、被擊敗、自願退出)
所以美國人真的不在乎政客的私德.....嗎?
以下用關鍵字搜尋列出一些因性醜聞辭職的。
詳細中文翻譯請大家複製貼上問谷哥。
Jon Hinson, Representative (Republican-Mississippi) — Resigned in 1981 after
being charged with attempted sodomy for performing oral sex on a male
employee of the Library of Congress.[62] (1981)
被控企圖對一名國會圖書館男職員做口交後辭職
Robert Packwood, Senator (Republican-Oregon) — Resigned his office in 1995,
after 29 women came forward with claims of sexual harassment, abuse, and
assaults. His denials of any wrongdoing were eventually contradicted by his
own diaries boasting of his sexual conquests.[83]
職權性騷擾其實是犯罪,但是「有些人認為只是私德問題」....所以列在這裡,
指出這種行為被爆出還是導致政客辭職。
Newt Gingrich, Representative (Republican-Georgia) and leader of the
Republican Revolution of 1994[92] — Resigned from the House after admitting
in 1998 to having had an affair with a staffer while he was married to his
second wife, and at the same time he was leading the impeachment of Bill
Clinton for perjury regarding an affair with his intern Monica
Lewinsky.[93][94]
承認與老婆婚禮中的一位工作人員有染之後辭職
Mark Foley, Representative (Republican-Florida) — Resigned his House seat
when accused of sending sexually explicit e-mails to teenage male
congressional pages. He was replaced by Tim Mahoney. (2006)[112]
被指控對青少年發送色情郵件後辭職
John Ensign, Senator (Republican-Nevada) — Resigned his position as chairman
of the Senate Republican Policy Committee on June 16, 2009, after admitting
he had an affair with the wife of a close friend, both of whom were working
on his campaign.[136] Under investigation, he then resigned his Senate seat
20 months early in 2011.[137] In 1998, Senator Ensign had called for
President Bill Clinton (Democrat) to resign after admitting to sexual acts
with Monica Lewinsky. (2009)[138]
承認和老婆的密友有染後辭職
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1F:→ F04E: 私德是政治人物的基本要求 10/12 10:49
2F:→ kuma660224: 還有考量是怕政客有把柄在敵方手上 10/12 11:19
所提供的聯結有個案例是美國國會議員和妓女有染。結果那個妓女還有另個
恩客是俄國間諜。妓女還幫這兩人量過時間比較能力還是啥的。那國會議員
被告上法院,法庭證據之一似乎是他那玩意的長度。這案子那議員究竟是因
為性醜聞還是因為跟間諜扯上關係而下臺就難以釐清。
教訓就是: 政客每次召妓之前最好先清查對方恩客名單。
3F:→ kuma660224: 重點還是其原本形象立場 10/12 11:20
4F:→ kuma660224: 有些國家曾有脫衣舞女郎從政 10/12 11:22
似乎幾十年前義大利有個脫星小白菜當上國會議員。這事情成為國際新聞。
之後不久我國似乎也追趕這風潮而有類似人物當上議員,叫做許曉丹還是甚
麼的。但我國之後就沒有類似人物了,中央和地方都沒有。
其他國家就不清楚了。
5F:→ kuma660224: 本來就公開透明 反而不是問題 10/12 11:22
6F:→ kuma660224: 或是大家都知道你有小三小四 10/12 11:23
7F:→ kuma660224: 你元配與妻妾都支持你 大家也不能說啥 10/12 11:23
8F:→ kuma660224: 這樣公開從政 反而不算把柄 只是話題 10/12 11:24
9F:→ kuma660224: 因為並沒有傷害原本的人設形象 10/12 11:24
10F:→ kuma660224: 會支持你的不會因此倒戈 10/12 11:25
11F:→ kuma660224: 你沒有違法被逮捕 就只是”做自己” 10/12 11:26
12F:→ kuma660224: 那所謂基本要求 其實不是必然 10/12 11:26
13F:→ kuma660224: 只是多數從政者的較安全選擇 10/12 11:27
14F:→ kuma660224: 民眾真正討厭的是你欺騙用假人設 10/12 11:29
15F:→ kuma660224: 你本來就風流狂人 就不要裝溫良恭儉讓 10/12 11:30
16F:→ kuma660224: 私領域沒有反差 即使不完美也是誠實 10/12 11:31
※ 編輯: saltlake (114.24.139.136 臺灣), 10/12/2021 12:05:27