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※ [本文轉錄自 IA 看板 #1ESM9FVh ] 作者: lotayuyuejia (lotayu) 看板: IA 標題: [新聞] wiki解密﹐美駐京使館22年前密電 時間: Thu Sep 15 10:26:21 2011 標題: 新聞來源: (須有正確連結) 美駐京使館密電表明﹐天安門廣場無流血事件。部分西媒參與捏造。 Wikileaks: no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square, cables claim Secret cables from the United States embassy in Beijing have shown there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square when China put down student pro-democracy demonstrations 22 years ago. The cables, obtained by WikiLeaks and released exclusively by The Daily Telegraph, partly confirm the Chinese government's account of the early hours of June 4, 1989, which has always insisted that soldiers did not massacre demonstrators inside Tiananmen Square. Instead, the cables show that Chinese soldiers opened fire on protesters outside the centre of Beijing, as they fought their way towards the square from the west of the city. Three cables were sent from the US embassy on June 3, in the hours leading up to the suppression, as diplomats realised that the final showdown between the protesters and soldiers was looming. The cables described the "10,000 to 15,000 helmeted armed troops" moving into the city, some of whom were "carrying automatic weapons". Meanwhile, "elite airborne troops" and "tank units" were said to be moving up from the south. The army came up against "an elaborate system of blockades", described in a cable from May 21, 1989, which allowed students to "control much of central Beijing". Diplomats observed that "there were buses turned sideways to form roadblocks" and students had vowed the army would not be able to cross. "But we doubt it", one cable added. Students also used teams of motorcycle couriers to communicate with the roadblocks, sending reinforcements where needed. As the troops moved in, the cables stated that diplomatic staff were repeatedly warned to "stay at home" unless involved in front-line reporting. "The situation in the centre of the city is very confused," said a cable from June 3. "Political officers at the Beijing Hotel reported that troops are pushing a large crowd east on Chang'an avenue. Although these troops appear not to be firing on the crowd, they report firing behind the troops coming from the square". Inside the square itself, a Chilean diplomat was on hand to give his US counterparts an eyewitness account of the final hours of the pro-democracy movement. "He watched the military enter the square and did not observe any mass firing of weapons into the crowds, although sporadic gunfire was heard. He said that most of the troops which entered the square were actually armed only with anti-riot gear – truncheons and wooden clubs; they were backed up by armed soldiers," a cable from July 1989 said. The diplomat, who was positioned next to a Red Cross station inside Tiananmen Square, said a line of troops surrounded him and "panicked" medical staff into fleeing. However, he said that there was "no mass firing into the crowd of students at the monument". According to internal Communist party files, released in 2001, 2,000 soldiers from the 38th army, together with 42 armoured vehicles, began slowly sweeping across the square from north to south at 4.30am on June 4. At the time, around 3,000 students were sitting around the Monument to the People's Heroes on the southern edge of the giant square, near Chairman Mao's mausoleum. Leaders of the protest, including Liu Xiaobo, the winner of last year's Nobel Peace prize, urged the students to depart the square, and the Chilean diplomat relayed that "once agreement was reached for the students to withdraw, linking hands to form a column, the students left the square through the south east corner." The testimony contradicts the reports of several journalists who were in Beijing at the time, who described soldiers "charging" into unarmed civilians and suggests the death toll on the night may be far lower than the thousands previously thought. In 2009, James Miles, who was the BBC correspondent in Beijing at the time, admitted that he had "conveyed the wrong impression" and that "there was no massacre on Tiananmen Square. Protesters who were still in the square when the army reached it were allowed to leave after negotiations with martial law troops [ ...] There was no Tiananmen Square massacre, but there was a Beijing massacre". Instead, the fiercest fighting took place at Muxidi, around three miles west of the square, where thousands of people had gathered spontaneously on the night of June 3 to halt the advance of the army. According to the Tiananmen Papers, a collection of internal Communist party files, soldiers started using live ammunition at around 10.30pm, after trying and failing to disperse the crowd with tear gas and rubber bullets. Incredulous, the crowd tried to escape but were hampered by its own roadblocks. The cables also reveal the extent to which the student democracy protests had won popular support, and how for several weeks the protesters effectively occupied the whole of central Beijing, posing an existential challenge to the Communist party. One cable, from May 21, 1989, reports that an anonymous caller had told the US consulate in Shenyang that Ni Zhifu, the chairman of China's labour unions, had condemned martial law in the capital and warned that unless the students were treated with more respect he would lead a general workers' strike that would cripple China. 摘要﹕ 六四當天凌晨的清場活動沒有屠殺和流血事件﹐軍隊以棍棒驅逐學生﹐學生最後 達成協議被允許離開﹐武裝士兵僅為清場部隊提供了掩護﹐也有報道說當時出現零星 槍聲但未証實流血事件。 流血事件發生在稍早的木犀地﹐“自發組織”的民眾設置路障阻擋軍隊進入天安 門﹐軍隊在催淚彈和橡皮子彈無效的情況下開槍射擊造成死傷﹐攔路者在逃竄過程中 被自己設置的路障阻擋。 請問﹕wiki解密真有這篇護航文﹖ ※每日每人發文、上限量為十篇,超過會劣文請注意 ⊕標題選用"新聞",請確切在標題與新聞來源處填入,否則可無條件移除(本行可移除) --



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3F:推 hsiawenc:天安門事件本來就不僅限於發生在天安門。 222.66.114.130 09/15 17:32
4F:推 soul1:標題殺人,wikileaks是說開槍發生在廣場外 220.133.52.68 09/15 18:42
5F:→ soul1:不要斷章取義只說廣場內沒死人 220.133.52.68 09/15 18:42
6F:→ soul1:原文後面還有一句廣場外有死人 220.133.52.68 09/15 18:43
7F:→ Dean00:有人在宣傳<媒炭是白色的>,還要人去相信它 112.105.109.95 09/15 19:54
8F:→ heiheidog:偉大的祖國領導下 煤炭當然是白的! 112.104.146.69 09/15 21:01
9F:→ heiheidog:如果是黑的公安也會叫你把它漆成白的 112.104.146.69 09/15 21:02
10F:→ heiheidog:所以你說煤炭是黑的還是白的? 112.104.146.69 09/15 21:03
11F:→ amazer:實際上侯德健、劉曉波早就證實了的,相關 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:16
12F:→ amazer:資料也證實了上述的描述,只不過有些人還是 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:16
13F:→ amazer:相信某些媒體的報道以及某些民運分子的謊言 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:17
14F:→ amazer:罷了!實際上仔細解讀當年臺灣人的報道,你 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:18
15F:→ amazer:很容易就發現多離譜,只不過很多東西大家 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:18
16F:→ amazer:都只看到自己想看到的東西罷了,和自己不一 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:19
17F:→ amazer:致的就不會去注意的 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:19
18F:→ amazer:當初死人主要在木樨地,解放軍進城受到群眾 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:22
19F:→ amazer:阻礙,很多旁觀者以及兩旁住宅內民眾被掃射 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:23
20F:→ amazer:流彈擊中喪生 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:23
21F:→ amazer:天安們廣場發生的事有一位愛爾蘭記者拍下 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:24
22F:→ amazer:視頻記錄的 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:25
23F:噓 TERRIST:對對,我們都誤會了(天安門廣場)都沒死人 111.184.20.52 09/15 21:31
24F:→ TERRIST:中共被誤會了,那些屍體都不是(天安門廣場) 111.184.20.52 09/15 21:31
25F:→ TERRIST:死的...中國政府好無辜喔 111.184.20.52 09/15 21:31
26F:→ amazer:都明確告訴你了主要死在木樨地,而非天安門 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:38
27F:→ amazer:廣場,那種天安門廣場清場死幾千人的說法 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:39
28F:→ amazer:可以不用繼續了,沒必要裝了 211.65.234.216 09/15 21:40
29F:噓 TERRIST:是是是...中國政府是無辜的嘛我知道 111.184.20.52 09/15 21:40
30F:噓 Change1224:呵呵,所以到底是死了多少人呢? 218.161.53.85 09/15 21:49
31F:→ Change1224:共產黨這筆爛帳什麼時候要解密呢? 218.161.53.85 09/15 21:49
32F:→ morgen:228五十年,這個大概五百年~~ 218.35.211.112 09/15 22:27
33F:噓 dwood123:還是鎮壓啊!在哪有差嗎? 118.232.3.80 09/16 03:12
34F:推 lkcs:tooooooooooooold 59.42.231.144 09/16 11:18
35F:噓 panzerleader:黨好慈悲 都不殺人 182.235.190.61 09/16 19:26
36F:噓 AchillesHust:有意思嗎﹖那幹嘛不承認木樨地有死人 125.34.78.245 09/16 23:51
37F:→ AchillesHust:幹嘛這麼多年保持緘默﹖不是心虛嗎 125.34.78.245 09/16 23:52
38F:→ william2001:畫面會說話好嗎。沒死人?呵呵。 59.121.128.108 09/17 19:46







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