作者df93 (人生如夢,夢如人生)
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標題[討論] 神化戰犯名單
時間Fri Aug 8 22:42:12 2025
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推 speed2: 人永遠都不會是神 因為神是靈 人則是靈+魂+肉體 XD 08/08 21:37
→ speed2: 一直強調要成為"沒有神格的神人" 真的"高舉自己" 08/08
21:39 → speed2: 召會晨興聖言還是不斷引用"神人"的概念 人成為神 但不在
08/08 21:58
→ speed2: 神格上.... 08/08 21:58
→ speed2: 聖經已經有"神的兒女" 就不用多此一舉 08/08 22:02
→ speed2: 真正得救的人 是不會把自己等同於神的 反而謙讓宜人..... 08/08 22:08
→ speed2: 謙讓宜人包含愛、忍耐、恩慈、謙卑、憐恤、體諒、以及服從 08/08 22:09
→ speed2: 三一神的帶領 我想o大是這樣認為的吧? 08/08
22:10
跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂跂?
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有鑑於speed2仍然一如既往的以見縫插針,有機會就拼命踩兩腳的方式來卡鄙派的油,所
以,希望Speed2能夠『公正』的一併批判以下四人:
1.
亞他那修就曾經在《CONTRA ARIANOS》2:7中告訴讀者:
他若與一個被造之物聯合,或子(Son)不是真神,人就不可能被神化。除非披上的身體
那位,從性質而言,就是道,人就不可能被帶入神的同在中。。。同樣的,除非成為肉身
的道的性質是從父而來,也具有父的性質,人就不可能被神化。(For man would not
have been deified if he had been united with a creature, or if the Son had
not been true God, nor would man have been brought into the Father‘s
presence unless he who had put on the body had been his natural and true Words
… so also man would not have been deified unless the Word who became flesh
had been by nature from the Father and true and proper to him. )
2.
SERM. 81.6
奧古斯丁
The grace of God came to you and ‘gave you the power to become the sons of
God’ (John 1:12). Hear the voice of my Father saying, ‘I have said, you are
gods and all of you children of the Most High’ (Ps. 82:6). Since then they
are men, and the sons of men, if they are not the children of the Most High,,
they are lairs, for, ‘all men are lairs’ (Ps. 116:11). If they are the sons
of God, if they have been redeemed by the Saviour’s grace, if purchased with
the precious blood, if born again of water and of the Spirit, if
predestinated to be the inheritance of heave, then indeed they are children
of God. And so thereby are gods. What then would a lie have to do with you?
Fro Adam was a mere manChrist, man and GodGod, the Creator of all
creation. Adam a mere man, the man Christ, the mediator with God, the only
Son of the Father, the God- man. You, O man, are far from God, and God is far
above manbetween them the God man placed himself. Acknowleddge Christ and
by him as man ascend up to God.
神的恩典臨及你們,賜於你們‘成為神兒眾子(複數,sons)的能力’(約翰1:12)。
請聽我父的聲音,‘我曾說:你們是神,都是至高者的兒子。(詩篇82:6)’因著他們
是人,是人的兒子(複數,sons),如果他們還不是至高者的兒子,他們就是撒謊的(詩
篇116:11)。如果他們是神兒眾子(複數,sons),如果他們是救主的恩典贖回來的,如
果他們是由寶血買回來的,如果他們是從水和靈重生的,如果他們是預定要承受天(國)
的,那麼他們就是神的兒女。就是神(複數,gods)。那些謊言跟你們又有何干呢?亞當
只是一個人;基督,是人又神;神,萬物的創造者。你,哦人,是遠離神的,神也是遠離
人;而神人(指基督)把他自己放在他們之間。你要承認基督,借著他,人被升高到神那
裏去。
Serm. 81.6, Pg 38.503, NPNF, Augustine of Hippo – 奧古斯丁
3.
馬丁路德 講道
受恩典幫助的人不再僅僅是人而已;神的恩典賜予他神的形像並神化了他,以致聖經也稱
他為『神』和『神的兒子』。
《聖彼德與聖保羅之日的講道》(1519)
正如神的話成了肉身,所以肉身成為話也是必須的。話成了肉身,正是為了叫肉身能成為
話。換言之,神成為人,為叫人成為神。所以,剛強的成為軟弱的,為叫軟弱的能成為剛
強的。話穿上了我們的形像和樣式。
1514年耶誕節的講道
4.
Commentaries on the Catholic Epistles
大公教會書信注釋
By John Calvin
約翰加爾文著
2 Peter 1:1- -4
彼後1:1- -4
For we must consider from whence it is that God raises us up to such a height
of honor. We knowhow abject is the condition of our naturethat God, then,
should make himself ours, so that all his things should in a manner become
our things, the greatness of his grace cannot be sufficiently conceived by
our minds. Therefore this consideration alone ought to be abundantly
sufficient to make us to renounce the world and to carry us aloft to heaven.
Let us then mark, that the end of the gospel is, to render us eventually
conformable to God, and, if we may so speak, to deify us.
因此我們必須從神將我們提升達到之尊榮的高度來思考。我們知道我們的本性是如何的低
賤;而神卻讓祂自己成為我們的,好叫祂所有的一切能夠成為我們的,祂恩典的味道無法
被我們的心思所完全參透。故此,這個觀念本身就足以讓我們捨棄世界,並將我們提升到
天使。讓我們這麼說,福音的總結就是,至終將我們模成神的形像,或者我們能夠說,神
化我們。(that the end of the gospel is, to render us eventually conformable
to God, and, if we may so speak, to deify us.)
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老夫秉承毛爺爺『為人民服務』的精神,把四位戰犯和相關證據都列出來了。
希望『公義』+『正氣泯然』+『大公無私』的『自封屬靈人』能夠以批判鄙會『同樣的標
準
不然,你會被大家恥笑的。
當然,如果你覺得不過癮?講一聲~~~~~老夫『戰犯名單』長長一列,夠你慢慢『處
決
還有,如果speed2能夠證明自己具有『足夠的神學專業背景』,以證明自己有能力斷定鄙
派
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1F:→ speed2: 這篇扣帽子的方式,對我沒用耶,沒有人是屬靈人喔^^ 08/08 23:13
2F:→ speed2: 而且我是回應O大,你急著回應,口水都流出來了,又想Kiss08/08 23:15
3F:→ speed2: 我喔?08/08 23:15
4F:→ speed2: 之前拿我性向做文章,又噁心說要親我,你還沒學乖喔?08/08 23:17
「沒膽」+「雙標」就說一說,不必唧唧歪歪一大堆
還有,老夫對男生沒興趣,你安全的很
5F:→ ostracize: df62=df93被水桶還能發文?!08/09 03:49
※ 編輯: df93 (27.125.248.125 馬來西亞), 08/09/2025 11:39:26
※ 編輯: df93 (27.125.248.125 馬來西亞), 08/09/2025 11:40:06
6F:→ speed2: 激將法也無效喔^^ 表定你是2025/10/28才出水桶,好意思再 08/09 15:17
7F:→ speed2: 挑釁喔? 08/09 15:17
8F:→ speed2: 知識使人自高自大,真是沒說錯 08/09 15:18
9F:→ speed2: 耶穌表示.... 08/09 15:22
10F:→ supercilious: 有一隻豬騷擾女網友。 08/11 10:02