以下是鄙人以前所著，用來請教貴派金華街總部某長老的舊帖。 可能幾位大人剛來，不了解本寶地以往正統基督教方面與摩門教『長老』對話的歷史。為了避免摩擦，並幫助諸公了解過去的歷史，避免諸公重蹈覆轍，特別轉貼。 望諸公參考，做好準備。 以上。 ※ 引述《df31 (DF-31)》之銘言： : 本文一如既往的謝絕三尺的參與 : ------------------------------ : 對於摩門教一神論的質疑 : 在批判他人面前，首先必須：1）先搞清楚自己講的是什麼；2）再搞清楚別人說的是什麼 : ；3）最後，做出比較/肯定/批判，讓大家看到兩者間的不同。這是批判他人觀點的基本 : 方法和態度，相信M長老肯定是認同，並且也是身體力行的。 : 但是，當自己認為自己已經做到了這三點，但是對方還是認為：你沒有回答到重點，的時 : 候，就有幾個可能性：1）自己搞不清楚自己在講什麼，所以講的不清不楚；2）別人閱讀 : 能力有問題，讀不懂你講的是什麼意思。（當然，由於M長老和在下都是正人君子，所以 : 在此排除M和在下故意裝呆騙人的可能性。）如果出現上述兩種情況，講述者必須思考自 : 己論述的方法和內容：1）是否提供足夠/正確的信息幫助讀者理解自己要表達的意思；2 : ）自己的表述方式是否讓人家看不懂？如果同樣的情況不斷的出現——如N個人都跟批判 : 者說：『老大！看不懂你在講什麼！/你根本什麼都沒講！』，那麼這肯定是批判者自己 : 本身的問題，不能把責任推卸個讀者，再很阿Q的宣告自己勝利，別人都是白痴。相信M長 : 老也會認可這種方法/態度的。 : 在這個基礎上，在下在此：1）為了充分了解摩門教對於基督教方面教義具有充分的理解 : ；2）為了解摩門教的具體教義；3）為了體現M長老對於基督教和摩門教的神學都有深入 : 的研究和了解後，才批判基督教的錯誤，特別提出以下的問題，請M長老：1）不要轉貼不 : 是自己寫的文章，2）要用自己的話回答以下的問題： : 1- 『位』這個詞源自於希臘文聖經，是個希臘文的詞彙。請問M長老：這個詞的希臘文原 : 文是什麼意思？神學的意思為何？英文相應的翻譯為何？摩門教方面對這個字的定義為何 : ？ : 2- 『體』這個詞源自於希臘文聖經，是個希臘文的詞彙。請問M長老：這個詞的希臘文原 : 文是什麼意思？神學的意思為何？英文相應的翻譯為何？摩門教方面對這個字的定義為何 : ？ : 3- 請問基督教的『三位一體』具體的內容是什麼？ : 4- 請問摩門教的『三位三體』具體的內容是什麼？ : 5- 請問，當摩門教認為『三位』具有『三體』的時候，是否認為這『三體』是不同的？ : 疑惑是相同的？如果相同，如何相同法？如果不同，如何不同法？ : 6- 請問，摩門教是否相信『一位真神』？還是『三位不同的神』？ : 7- 請問，摩門教所謂『神組』的英文相對翻譯為何？而相應的希臘文和希伯來文為何？ : 8- 我引用的一段材料說到： : Many such declarations then appear throughout the Book of Mormon. In Nephi's : foundational sermon on the "doctrine of Christ," the sermon in which Nephi : recorded the distinct utterances of the Father and the Son regarding Christ's : baptism, he concluded with this declaration about the necessity of remaining : "steadfast in Christ": : "And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none : other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom : of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and : true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is : one God, without end. Amen." : 摩門經中的Nephi對於基督論有一段話，就是正上方這段。能否麻煩您把這段翻譯給大家 : 看看，特別要請您解釋：『the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the : Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end.』是什麼意思。 : 9- 提出一個【您逃避的】 舊問題： : 作者mediashow008 (大衛) : 看板Christianity : 標題Re: [問題] 摩門教與神化 : 時間Thu Aug 4 13:34:45 2016 : ：https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng : : Becoming Like God : : ===================== : : One of the most common images in Western and Eastern religions alike is of : : God as a parent and of human beings as God’s children. Billions pray to God : : as their parent, invoke the brotherhood and sisterhood of all people to : : promote peace, and reach out to the weary and troubled out of deep : conviction : : that each of God’s children has great worth. : : But people of different faiths understand the parent-child relationship : : between God and humans in significantly different ways. Some understand the : : phrase “child of God” as an honorary title reserved only for those who : : believe in God and accept His guidance as they might accept a father’s. : Many : : see parent-child descriptions of God’s relationship to humanity as : metaphors : : to express His love for His creations and their dependence on His sustenance : : and protection. : : Latter-day Saints see all people as children of God in a full and complete : : sense; they consider every person divine in origin, nature, and potential. : : Each has an eternal core and is “a beloved spirit son or daughter of : : heavenly parents.”1 Each possesses seeds of divinity and must choose : whether : : to live in harmony or tension with that divinity. Through the Atonement of : : Jesus Christ, all people may “progress toward perfection and ultimately : : realize their divine destiny.”2 Just as a child can develop the attributes : : of his or her parents over time, the divine nature that humans inherit can : be : : developed to become like their Heavenly Father's. : : The desire to nurture the divinity in His children is one of God’s : : attributes that most inspires, motivates, and humbles members of the Church. : : God’s loving parentage and guidance can help each willing, obedient child : of : : God receive of His fulness and of His glory. This knowledge transforms the : : way Latter-day Saints see their fellow human beings. The teaching that men : : and women have the potential to be exalted to a state of godliness clearly : : expands beyond what is understood by most contemporary Christian churches : and : : expresses for the Latter-day Saints a yearning rooted in the Bible to live : as : : God lives, to love as He loves, and to prepare for all that our loving : Father : : in Heaven wishes for His children. : 摩門教的官方網站有一篇文章： : https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng : Latter-day Saint beliefs would have sounded more familiar to the earliest : generations of Christians than they do to many modern Christians. Many church : fathers (influential theologians and teachers in early Christianity) spoke : approvingly of the idea that humans can become divine. One modern scholar : refers to the “ubiquity of the doctrine of deification”—the teaching that : humans could become God—in the first centuries after Christ’s death.11 The : church father Irenaeus, who died about A.D. 202, asserted that Jesus Christ “ : did, through His transcendent love, become what we are, that He might bring : us to be what He is Himself.”12 Clement of Alexandria (ca. A.D. 150–215) : wrote that “the Word of God became man, that thou mayest learn from man how : man may become God.”13 Basil the Great (A.D. 330–379) also celebrated this : prospect—not just “being made like to God,” but “highest of all, the : being made God.”14 : 這裡說到，摩門教承認【神化】教義， : In 1832, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon experienced a vision of the : afterlife. In the vision, they learned that the just and unjust alike would : receive immortality through a universal resurrection, but only those “who : overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise” would : receive the fulness of God’s glory and be “gods, even the sons of God.”28 : Another revelation soon confirmed that “the saints shall be filled with his : glory, and receive their inheritance and be made equal with him.”29 : Latter-day Saints use the term exaltation to describe the glorious reward of : receiving one’s full inheritance as a child of Heavenly Father, which is : available through the Atonement of Christ, by obedience to the laws and : ordinances of the gospel.30 : 這段話說，史密斯先生也得到【神化】的異象，摩門教用exaltation/高升代替之。也就 : 是說，摩門教事實上也教導【神化/Theosis】教義。 : 在此，我想請教：摩門教具體的【神化】教義內涵為何？當摩門教認為信徒能夠【像神 : (like God)】的同時，什麼地方【與神一樣】？什麼地方【與神‘不’一樣】？【成為神 : 的人（deified)】是否也會成為【神組】的一部分？而讓【三位三體】變成【n位n體】？ : ======================================= : 這次長老主動【叫陣】，希望長老能夠【誠實+詳細】的解釋在下的疑惑，讓大家更認識 : 摩門教的教義，【澄清】誤解！阿門！ -- 因為除非那在世上為他們成全了救恩的是神，他們怎能得救呢? 如果神不曾成為人，人又 怎能成為神呢? 里昂的愛任紐，《反異端》4.33.4 --

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