以下是鄙人以前所着，用来请教贵派金华街总部某长老的旧帖。 可能几位大人刚来，不了解本宝地以往正统基督教方面与摩门教『长老』对话的历史。为了避免摩擦，并帮助诸公了解过去的历史，避免诸公重蹈覆辙，特别转贴。 望诸公参考，做好准备。 以上。 ※ 引述《df31 (DF-31)》之铭言： : 本文一如既往的谢绝三尺的参与 : ------------------------------ : 对於摩门教一神论的质疑 : 在批判他人面前，首先必须：1）先搞清楚自己讲的是什麽；2）再搞清楚别人说的是什麽 : ；3）最後，做出比较/肯定/批判，让大家看到两者间的不同。这是批判他人观点的基本 : 方法和态度，相信M长老肯定是认同，并且也是身体力行的。 : 但是，当自己认为自己已经做到了这三点，但是对方还是认为：你没有回答到重点，的时 : 候，就有几个可能性：1）自己搞不清楚自己在讲什麽，所以讲的不清不楚；2）别人阅读 : 能力有问题，读不懂你讲的是什麽意思。（当然，由於M长老和在下都是正人君子，所以 : 在此排除M和在下故意装呆骗人的可能性。）如果出现上述两种情况，讲述者必须思考自 : 己论述的方法和内容：1）是否提供足够/正确的信息帮助读者理解自己要表达的意思；2 : ）自己的表述方式是否让人家看不懂？如果同样的情况不断的出现——如N个人都跟批判 : 者说：『老大！看不懂你在讲什麽！/你根本什麽都没讲！』，那麽这肯定是批判者自己 : 本身的问题，不能把责任推卸个读者，再很阿Q的宣告自己胜利，别人都是白痴。相信M长 : 老也会认可这种方法/态度的。 : 在这个基础上，在下在此：1）为了充分了解摩门教对於基督教方面教义具有充分的理解 : ；2）为了解摩门教的具体教义；3）为了体现M长老对於基督教和摩门教的神学都有深入 : 的研究和了解後，才批判基督教的错误，特别提出以下的问题，请M长老：1）不要转贴不 : 是自己写的文章，2）要用自己的话回答以下的问题： : 1- 『位』这个词源自於希腊文圣经，是个希腊文的词汇。请问M长老：这个词的希腊文原 : 文是什麽意思？神学的意思为何？英文相应的翻译为何？摩门教方面对这个字的定义为何 : ？ : 2- 『体』这个词源自於希腊文圣经，是个希腊文的词汇。请问M长老：这个词的希腊文原 : 文是什麽意思？神学的意思为何？英文相应的翻译为何？摩门教方面对这个字的定义为何 : ？ : 3- 请问基督教的『三位一体』具体的内容是什麽？ : 4- 请问摩门教的『三位三体』具体的内容是什麽？ : 5- 请问，当摩门教认为『三位』具有『三体』的时候，是否认为这『三体』是不同的？ : 疑惑是相同的？如果相同，如何相同法？如果不同，如何不同法？ : 6- 请问，摩门教是否相信『一位真神』？还是『三位不同的神』？ : 7- 请问，摩门教所谓『神组』的英文相对翻译为何？而相应的希腊文和希伯来文为何？ : 8- 我引用的一段材料说到： : Many such declarations then appear throughout the Book of Mormon. In Nephi's : foundational sermon on the "doctrine of Christ," the sermon in which Nephi : recorded the distinct utterances of the Father and the Son regarding Christ's : baptism, he concluded with this declaration about the necessity of remaining : "steadfast in Christ": : "And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none : other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom : of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and : true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is : one God, without end. Amen." : 摩门经中的Nephi对於基督论有一段话，就是正上方这段。能否麻烦您把这段翻译给大家 : 看看，特别要请您解释：『the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the : Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end.』是什麽意思。 : 9- 提出一个【您逃避的】 旧问题： : 作者mediashow008 (大卫) : 看板Christianity : 标题Re: [问题] 摩门教与神化 : 时间Thu Aug 4 13:34:45 2016 : ：https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng : : Becoming Like God : : ===================== : : One of the most common images in Western and Eastern religions alike is of : : God as a parent and of human beings as God’s children. Billions pray to God : : as their parent, invoke the brotherhood and sisterhood of all people to : : promote peace, and reach out to the weary and troubled out of deep : conviction : : that each of God’s children has great worth. : : But people of different faiths understand the parent-child relationship : : between God and humans in significantly different ways. Some understand the : : phrase “child of God” as an honorary title reserved only for those who : : believe in God and accept His guidance as they might accept a father’s. : Many : : see parent-child descriptions of God’s relationship to humanity as : metaphors : : to express His love for His creations and their dependence on His sustenance : : and protection. : : Latter-day Saints see all people as children of God in a full and complete : : sense; they consider every person divine in origin, nature, and potential. : : Each has an eternal core and is “a beloved spirit son or daughter of : : heavenly parents.”1 Each possesses seeds of divinity and must choose : whether : : to live in harmony or tension with that divinity. Through the Atonement of : : Jesus Christ, all people may “progress toward perfection and ultimately : : realize their divine destiny.”2 Just as a child can develop the attributes : : of his or her parents over time, the divine nature that humans inherit can : be : : developed to become like their Heavenly Father's. : : The desire to nurture the divinity in His children is one of God’s : : attributes that most inspires, motivates, and humbles members of the Church. : : God’s loving parentage and guidance can help each willing, obedient child : of : : God receive of His fulness and of His glory. This knowledge transforms the : : way Latter-day Saints see their fellow human beings. The teaching that men : : and women have the potential to be exalted to a state of godliness clearly : : expands beyond what is understood by most contemporary Christian churches : and : : expresses for the Latter-day Saints a yearning rooted in the Bible to live : as : : God lives, to love as He loves, and to prepare for all that our loving : Father : : in Heaven wishes for His children. : 摩门教的官方网站有一篇文章： : https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng : Latter-day Saint beliefs would have sounded more familiar to the earliest : generations of Christians than they do to many modern Christians. Many church : fathers (influential theologians and teachers in early Christianity) spoke : approvingly of the idea that humans can become divine. One modern scholar : refers to the “ubiquity of the doctrine of deification”—the teaching that : humans could become God—in the first centuries after Christ’s death.11 The : church father Irenaeus, who died about A.D. 202, asserted that Jesus Christ “ : did, through His transcendent love, become what we are, that He might bring : us to be what He is Himself.”12 Clement of Alexandria (ca. A.D. 150–215) : wrote that “the Word of God became man, that thou mayest learn from man how : man may become God.”13 Basil the Great (A.D. 330–379) also celebrated this : prospect—not just “being made like to God,” but “highest of all, the : being made God.”14 : 这里说到，摩门教承认【神化】教义， : In 1832, Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon experienced a vision of the : afterlife. In the vision, they learned that the just and unjust alike would : receive immortality through a universal resurrection, but only those “who : overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise” would : receive the fulness of God’s glory and be “gods, even the sons of God.”28 : Another revelation soon confirmed that “the saints shall be filled with his : glory, and receive their inheritance and be made equal with him.”29 : Latter-day Saints use the term exaltation to describe the glorious reward of : receiving one’s full inheritance as a child of Heavenly Father, which is : available through the Atonement of Christ, by obedience to the laws and : ordinances of the gospel.30 : 这段话说，史密斯先生也得到【神化】的异象，摩门教用exaltation/高升代替之。也就 : 是说，摩门教事实上也教导【神化/Theosis】教义。 : 在此，我想请教：摩门教具体的【神化】教义内涵为何？当摩门教认为信徒能够【像神 : (like God)】的同时，什麽地方【与神一样】？什麽地方【与神‘不’一样】？【成为神 : 的人（deified)】是否也会成为【神组】的一部分？而让【三位三体】变成【n位n体】？ : ======================================= : 这次长老主动【叫阵】，希望长老能够【诚实+详细】的解释在下的疑惑，让大家更认识 : 摩门教的教义，【澄清】误解！阿门！ -- 因为除非那在世上为他们成全了救恩的是神，他们怎能得救呢? 如果神不曾成为人，人又 怎能成为神呢? 里昂的爱任纽，《反异端》4.33.4 --

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