作者jacobcrab (雅古蟹)
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標題[攝理]鄭明析性侵案二審/中國發生的事/二審展望
時間Sun Jan 18 08:20:49 2009
下面這篇是關於攝理教主鄭明析性侵案公審,Exodus(受害者支援團體)的一位成員
(dikaioma)在jmscult.com(關注攝理教事件發展的英文網站)所留下的一篇
What happened in China(在中國發生了什麼事)的文章
日期是2008年9月4日,約在鄭明析一審被判6年徒刑後,檢方和攝理方都上訴時
主要是針對攝理方面一些發言的澄清,以及對一審中那位原受害者張小姐,卻與攝理方
鄭明析議和,又出庭作偽證當場被法官抓到的事情。
內容提及Exodus方面對二審的展望看法.
小弟試將英文留言翻譯成中文,並留下英中對照,翻譯不佳處煩請協助修正
http://jmscult.com/forum/index.php?topic=391.msg1207#msg1207
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What happened in China
在中國發生了什麼事
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We all know that Jung did something in China to be arrested and assume that
it is some kind of sexual crime, like he alway have done. Yes, you're right.
It was about the sexual crime. Actually, out of 4 criminal charges, one is
what happened in China. Especially, people in China, Hong-kong, or Taiwan are
very curious about it. JMS say it is all fake like other incidents but we
have victims there too.
我們都知道老鄭在中國幹了某些事情才會被捕,也假設這些事情與性犯罪有關,跟以前一
樣。是的,沒錯。是跟性犯罪有關。事實上,四件刑事案裡面,有一件是在中國發生的。
尤其在中國、香港和台灣的人都很好奇。攝理教說這些事件都是假造的,但是我們在那裡
就是有受害者。
Jung, Myoung-seok had been run away for 8 long years. He must had done
terrible things under the name of religious acts which was nothing but sexual
assaults. We can't find all of his dirty deeds since it is all about evidence
in the court of law.
鄭明析已經逃亡了很長的這8年,他藉著宗教的名義幹下了惡劣的事-就是性侵。我們不
能找出所有他幹的惡事,因為只有能上法庭的證據才能算數。
So, let me only tell you about words like the evidence, witness, or victims.
Isn't this what MSes want so much?
They say Sun-sang-nim is totally innocent. EXODUS is trying to make money by
putting Jung into trouble.
There must be more. But let me tell you about just what we can do in the
court of law.
所以,讓我只告訴你跟證據、證人以及受害人有關的事情。難道這不是這些攝理MS想要的
嗎?他們說老師完全是清白的。Exodus是找老鄭的麻煩是想要錢。但是讓我告訴你我們能
在法庭上做什麼。
There were group of female who exercises different arts in JMS went to China,
where Jung was hiding. They were dancers, and good at other arts to perform
in front of Jung. They've must be very excited to show what they're doing in
front of the Messiah they're seeking so much.
有一群表演特別藝術的攝理女性徒到中國老鄭藏身的地方為了要表演給老鄭看。她們會跳
舞和其他的藝術。他們那時一定很興奮,因為可以在他們找尋那麼久的彌賽亞面前表演。
Miss Kim and Miss Jang were one of them. They're both Tae Kwon Do players.
But during the Myun-Dam, they were raped by Jung.
金小姐和張小姐都是她們中間的一員。她們都是跆拳道舞者,但是在「面談」當時,都被
老鄭強姦了。
Yeah. I know what JMS say. Jung is over 60 years old man but they're young
and strong Tae Kwon Do player. How can they be forced to have sex with Jung?
But like all the other victims, they were just helpless women. If they were
alone with Jung alone and if the place was somewhere they know, like Korea,
it will be a different story.
是的,我知道攝理人會說,老鄭都已經60多歲的老人了,而且她們是很年輕強壯的跆拳道
舞者。她們怎麼可能跟老鄭發生關係?但是就跟其他的受害者一樣,她們當時都很無助。
如果她們與老鄭獨處的地方是他們熟悉的地點,像是在韓國境內的話,事情就會很不一樣
了。
Think about it. Jung was with all his bodyguards and people who follows him.
They were totally strangers. Jung's mansion was like his own kingdom. Who's
going to support them? No one! They couldn't do anything.
想想吧,老鄭和他的保鑣和跟隨他的信徒在一起。她們完全身處異地。老鄭的別墅就像他
自己的王國一樣。誰會援助她們呢?沒有人!她們什麼都不能做。
A few days later, they for somehow escaped from the house, and ran away.
After they were saved. Police went in, but Jung ran away already. We have
some source that some corrupted Chinese Police are involved with Jung.
幾天後她們以某些方式離開那個大房子,然後逃離。在她們被拯救後,公安進去,但是老
鄭已經逃之夭夭了。我們有消息來源指出老鄭有腐敗的中國公安庇護。
By that time, Jung was already a fugitive by Interpol. Korean Police asked
Chinese government again for arresting Jung. They've been investigate and
tracked him down. Finally He got arrested last year and stayed in prison for
almost half year.
當時老鄭已經是國際刑警組織的追緝逃犯了。韓國警方再次要求中國政府逮捕老鄭。他們
調查,然後被追緝。最後他在去年被逮捕,在監獄看守所內待了將近半年。
But there are some suspicious points. Chinese government was extremely
unsupportive to us. They never let anyone to know about what Jung did. They
said they're simply investigating.
但這裡有疑點。中國政府非常不與我們合作。他們從來就沒讓外人知道老鄭幹了什麼。他
們只說還在調查中。
We believe that was before Olympic in China, and because of their people are
involved, they just wanted to send the trouble out of their land. Or he just
consult with the Chinese victims like he did all the time in Korea. We don't
know for sure.
我們相信這是因為這在中國奧運前,因為他們自己人的介入,他們只想要把麻煩送出國境
。或者,老鄭和其他中國的受害者議和,就跟他每次韓國的案件一樣。我們不確定究竟是
哪一個。
Let's go back to our Korean victims. Two of them joined other 3 victims in
Hong Kong and Malaysia (They were all the Korean girls sent from Korea) to
sue Jung.
讓我們回到我們的這些韓籍受害者。其中兩位加入了另外三位在香港和馬來西亞受害的受
害者一起控告老鄭(她們都是韓國女孩從韓國被送去面談受害)
But for some reason, Miss Jang's family member began to interrupt this
matter. She didn't join other 4 people. It was probably her mom who took her
away from others. I heard she was such a mean and corrupted one. She got into
a trouble it just happened and nothing can bring it back. So the terrible mom
wanted make some money out of this.
但是為了某種原因,張小姐的家人開始插手這件事。她沒有加入另外四位。可能是她的母
親把她從其他受害者中帶出來。我聽說她(母親)是個小氣貪心的人。她已經遇上了這個
麻煩,而且是無法挽回的。所以這位糟糕的母親想要從中挖出點錢來。
Anyhow, without letting us know, Jang agreed to consent with Jung. JMS paid
her money. Later, at the court, she said there wasn't no rape. and she
dropped her cases. She also testified that she didn't consent with Jung when
the judge asked, but Jung's lawyer already present the fact that Jang agreed
to consent with Jung. This was a false testimony in the court and is a
serious crime. She is in trouble now.
後來,沒讓我們知道的情況下,張小姐與老鄭議和。攝理教付了她一筆錢。後來,在法庭
上,她說沒有強姦的事,然後她退出告訴。當法官問她是否與老鄭議和的時候,她也作證
說沒有與老鄭議和。但是老鄭的律師之前已經在呈上法庭張小姐與老鄭議和的事實。現在
這變成了在法庭上做偽證,是個嚴重的罪行。她現在麻煩大了。
We already sued her. She may got the money but will have to spend some year
at the prison.
我們已經控告她。她或許拿了錢,但是她現在得花幾年的時間在監獄裡。
One funny thing is that it was Miss Jang who persuade Miss Kim to turn Jung
into Police. Instead of being controlled by her mom, she should stand her
state in the way of justice. Yet, she choose some easy way.
一件有趣的事情是,原來是張小姐說服金小姐到警方那裡去告老鄭。她不該被母親控制,
她應該在法律正義這邊站穩的。但是,她選擇了一條簡單的路。
This is the truth of incident in China. Of course only very few part of it.
We don't know what kind of horrible things Jung might committed there. It is
just said that we can't just punish him severely.
這是發生在中國的事件的真相。當然,這只是一小部分。我們不知道鄭還有在那裡幹下什
麼可怕的事。只能說,我們沒辦法夠嚴厲地懲罰他。
Anyway, at the second session, more things will be revealed. Thanks
不管怎樣,二審中會有更多的事情浮現,謝謝。
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參考資料,
韓國媒體sisapress於2006年4月23所報導鄭明析在遼寧性侵女教友和勾結當地公安的報導
《鄭明析,享受「逃亡皇帝」的樂趣》
sisapress官網(韓文)
http://www.sisapress.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=32634
韓中對照:http://
jacobcrab.homeip.net/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=238
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1F:推 opoj:雅古蟹水唷! 118.167.198.53 01/18 11:30
2F:推 auderey129:薩德感應到了光明哲學家?這是中性的字220.133.160.213 01/18 17:41
3F:→ auderey129:我回錯篇了,用眼過度了 ^^"220.133.160.213 01/18 17:42
4F:推 springxx:推一個 ^^ 118.168.87.3 01/18 19:58
5F:推 JMS1978:所以又是一個ex成員的揣測文 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:14
6F:→ JMS1978:有無拿錢 說不確定 是聽說 還賴給媽貪心 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:14
7F:→ JMS1978:更有趣的是 這裡還是沒講張是怎樣因說 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:15
8F:→ JMS1978:沒性侵 而被判偽證 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:16
9F:→ JMS1978:就我的理解是 先前告訴說有 後來說沒有 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:16
10F:推 springxx:扁迷: 阿扁是清白的 阿扁最誠實~ 118.168.68.97 01/19 09:16
11F:→ JMS1978:無論是之前說謊 或是 後來才說謊 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:16
12F:→ JMS1978:前後不一 就是偽證 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:17
13F:→ springxx:一切都是阿共仔的陰謀 騙不了我們 嘿嘿~ 118.168.68.97 01/19 09:17
14F:→ JMS1978:希望這個自認一直在比對事實的人能搞清楚 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:17
15F:→ JMS1978:sp:攝理是錯的 老鄭都亂講 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:18
16F:→ JMS1978:一切都說是比喻 騙不了我們 科科 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:19
17F:推 springxx:阿扁仔 無罪啦~ 攏系你們要害呆完人 118.168.68.97 01/19 09:19
18F:推 springxx:老鄭要順服地上權柄 再吵就把他小弟剪掉 118.168.68.97 01/19 09:23
19F:→ JMS1978:都是你在講 所以你就是地上權炳 就是了 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:24
20F:→ springxx:聽說最近 韓國通過能化學去勢 老鄭有福了 118.168.68.97 01/19 09:25
21F:→ JMS1978:那你要不要也[去]一下 預防萬一犯罪的可能 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:27
22F:推 Mangonia:XDDD springxx講話好好笑 ~~ 60.245.115.48 01/19 10:50
親愛的JMS1978,不論你相信也好,不相信也好,都沒有辦法改變張小姐被法官抓包時是在否
認老鄭的姓侵事件,而不是在控訴鄭明析時被法官抓包作偽證.張小姐在法庭上說謊的行動
受到所有受害者的唾棄.張小姐的偽證案已經進入司法程序.不出半年一載就會有消息出來
.如果攝理教有Exodus的受害者出庭說謊被法官抓包的消息的話,應該趕快釋放消息才是,
這樣子這麼快與張小姐劃清界線,張小姐和盤托出的話,攝理人的面子更不知道往哪裡擺
※ 編輯: jacobcrab 來自: 213.106.113.253 (01/20 07:13)
23F:推 JMS1978:你是聽不懂嗎?? 那我再重複一次 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:15
24F:→ JMS1978:無論是之前說謊 或是 後來才說謊 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:16
25F:→ JMS1978:前後不一 再笨的法官也知道有做偽證 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:17
26F:→ JMS1978:我前天在法庭上 說我看到xx有偷東西 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:21
27F:→ JMS1978:今天改口說沒看到 證詞前後不一就是偽證 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:22
28F:→ JMS1978:所以代表我是今天的證詞說謊?? 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:23
29F:→ JMS1978:你邏輯還真好阿 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:23
30F:→ JMS1978:順便問一下 你先前說的九案待審 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:24
31F:→ JMS1978:至今也才看到審四案 而且都到了二審階段 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:25
32F:→ JMS1978:你要不要問一下ex 其他五案到底去哪了 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:25
是呀,再笨的法官也會知道有作偽證呀,所以基本上張小姐要嘛就是為Exodus作偽證,要嘛
就是被老鄭收買作偽證嘛,這個道理我們都很清楚呀.可是張小姐是否認跟老鄭議和而被
法官抓包,不是控訴老鄭姓侵時證詞前後不一而被抓包,那就很清楚張小姐是被老鄭收買
作偽證嘛.
其他案子呀,比起這幾件正在審的性侵案,有很急嘛?
我先前說的九件案子是南韓報紙披露的,送你鏈結..
http://0rz.tw/TjJEC
不過,四個受害人代表只有四件案子?一個攝理告蘋果不是就前後告了兩個不同的罪名嗎?
不過,關於老鄭詐欺和侵占的罪名,我是還沒有看到什麼消息....
※ 編輯: jacobcrab 來自: 213.106.112.28 (01/21 08:10)
33F:→ JMS1978:原來你懂嘛 那何必先前一直裝不懂 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:36
34F:→ JMS1978:你下一篇貼文說 張否認有性侵 也否認議和 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:37
35F:→ JMS1978:這裡卻又說 張只是因為否認議和被抓包 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:38
張小姐是否認有性侵時被法官問及是否有議和時被抓包沒錯呀.
36F:→ JMS1978:要急著定鄭的罪 也不該隨性斷章取義吧 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:38
呵呵,沒斷章取義,我只是還沒把資料貼出來罷了,反正她的偽證案12月中的時候都已經開
審的,資料還很多,也不急著一時全貼出來吧.
37F:→ JMS1978:喔~~~因為案子不急 所以慢慢來是吧 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:39
38F:→ JMS1978:阿你不是說鄭逃亡數年了 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:40
39F:→ JMS1978:都拖了這麼多年 還不夠慢呀??? 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:40
因為老鄭已經有案子在審,所以不急,反正老鄭現在逃不掉.要是其他的案子一起審的話,
搞不好老鄭還會說沒有時間閱卷拖時間呢.
拖了這麼多年,對呀,是老鄭在拖呀,如果要快快審,那請老鄭直接認罪,檢調不就能直接審
下一個案子了,照你不要拖的說法,這不是不兩全其美?
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40F:→ JMS1978:喔 你又改口啦 你還滿反覆的 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:34
41F:→ JMS1978:要貼就快貼啦 反正你也就只會這麼做 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:35
42F:→ JMS1978:或者說 你還沒把那些資料都看過 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:35
43F:→ JMS1978:只好先放個話 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:35
44F:→ JMS1978:要兩全其美 還有別的方法 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:37
45F:→ JMS1978:叫ex與自稱受害人等承認自己的錯誤 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:37
46F:→ JMS1978:要求撤告 事情也不用拖了 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:38
張小姐偽證案已遭韓國清州地方法院檢察廳永洞分廳起訴,12月16/17日開庭.見小弟2月1
日於板上所貼資料.
要求撤告?你是說,像張小姐那樣,良心發現到自己連撤銷告訴狀是怎麼寫的,在哪裡寫的,
什麼時候寫的,用什麼寫的,在法庭上面都答不出來,然後你還要說她是良心發現自己撤告?
攝理不是說這些原告們才是造假,結果反而是攝理所謂良心發現的才因為造假被起訴呢
※ 編輯: jacobcrab 來自: 86.9.120.111 (02/01 10:22)
47F:推 bosomi:JMS1978 你真的是太可悲了118.160.222.217 02/27 02:29