作者jacobcrab (雅古蟹)
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标题[摄理]郑明析性侵案二审/中国发生的事/二审展望
时间Sun Jan 18 08:20:49 2009
下面这篇是关於摄理教主郑明析性侵案公审,Exodus(受害者支援团体)的一位成员
(dikaioma)在jmscult.com(关注摄理教事件发展的英文网站)所留下的一篇
What happened in China(在中国发生了什麽事)的文章
日期是2008年9月4日,约在郑明析一审被判6年徒刑後,检方和摄理方都上诉时
主要是针对摄理方面一些发言的澄清,以及对一审中那位原受害者张小姐,却与摄理方
郑明析议和,又出庭作伪证当场被法官抓到的事情。
内容提及Exodus方面对二审的展望看法.
小弟试将英文留言翻译成中文,并留下英中对照,翻译不佳处烦请协助修正
http://jmscult.com/forum/index.php?topic=391.msg1207#msg1207
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What happened in China
在中国发生了什麽事
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We all know that Jung did something in China to be arrested and assume that
it is some kind of sexual crime, like he alway have done. Yes, you're right.
It was about the sexual crime. Actually, out of 4 criminal charges, one is
what happened in China. Especially, people in China, Hong-kong, or Taiwan are
very curious about it. JMS say it is all fake like other incidents but we
have victims there too.
我们都知道老郑在中国干了某些事情才会被捕,也假设这些事情与性犯罪有关,跟以前一
样。是的,没错。是跟性犯罪有关。事实上,四件刑事案里面,有一件是在中国发生的。
尤其在中国、香港和台湾的人都很好奇。摄理教说这些事件都是假造的,但是我们在那里
就是有受害者。
Jung, Myoung-seok had been run away for 8 long years. He must had done
terrible things under the name of religious acts which was nothing but sexual
assaults. We can't find all of his dirty deeds since it is all about evidence
in the court of law.
郑明析已经逃亡了很长的这8年,他藉着宗教的名义干下了恶劣的事-就是性侵。我们不
能找出所有他干的恶事,因为只有能上法庭的证据才能算数。
So, let me only tell you about words like the evidence, witness, or victims.
Isn't this what MSes want so much?
They say Sun-sang-nim is totally innocent. EXODUS is trying to make money by
putting Jung into trouble.
There must be more. But let me tell you about just what we can do in the
court of law.
所以,让我只告诉你跟证据、证人以及受害人有关的事情。难道这不是这些摄理MS想要的
吗?他们说老师完全是清白的。Exodus是找老郑的麻烦是想要钱。但是让我告诉你我们能
在法庭上做什麽。
There were group of female who exercises different arts in JMS went to China,
where Jung was hiding. They were dancers, and good at other arts to perform
in front of Jung. They've must be very excited to show what they're doing in
front of the Messiah they're seeking so much.
有一群表演特别艺术的摄理女性徒到中国老郑藏身的地方为了要表演给老郑看。她们会跳
舞和其他的艺术。他们那时一定很兴奋,因为可以在他们找寻那麽久的弥赛亚面前表演。
Miss Kim and Miss Jang were one of them. They're both Tae Kwon Do players.
But during the Myun-Dam, they were raped by Jung.
金小姐和张小姐都是她们中间的一员。她们都是跆拳道舞者,但是在「面谈」当时,都被
老郑强奸了。
Yeah. I know what JMS say. Jung is over 60 years old man but they're young
and strong Tae Kwon Do player. How can they be forced to have sex with Jung?
But like all the other victims, they were just helpless women. If they were
alone with Jung alone and if the place was somewhere they know, like Korea,
it will be a different story.
是的,我知道摄理人会说,老郑都已经60多岁的老人了,而且她们是很年轻强壮的跆拳道
舞者。她们怎麽可能跟老郑发生关系?但是就跟其他的受害者一样,她们当时都很无助。
如果她们与老郑独处的地方是他们熟悉的地点,像是在韩国境内的话,事情就会很不一样
了。
Think about it. Jung was with all his bodyguards and people who follows him.
They were totally strangers. Jung's mansion was like his own kingdom. Who's
going to support them? No one! They couldn't do anything.
想想吧,老郑和他的保镳和跟随他的信徒在一起。她们完全身处异地。老郑的别墅就像他
自己的王国一样。谁会援助她们呢?没有人!她们什麽都不能做。
A few days later, they for somehow escaped from the house, and ran away.
After they were saved. Police went in, but Jung ran away already. We have
some source that some corrupted Chinese Police are involved with Jung.
几天後她们以某些方式离开那个大房子,然後逃离。在她们被拯救後,公安进去,但是老
郑已经逃之夭夭了。我们有消息来源指出老郑有腐败的中国公安庇护。
By that time, Jung was already a fugitive by Interpol. Korean Police asked
Chinese government again for arresting Jung. They've been investigate and
tracked him down. Finally He got arrested last year and stayed in prison for
almost half year.
当时老郑已经是国际刑警组织的追缉逃犯了。韩国警方再次要求中国政府逮捕老郑。他们
调查,然後被追缉。最後他在去年被逮捕,在监狱看守所内待了将近半年。
But there are some suspicious points. Chinese government was extremely
unsupportive to us. They never let anyone to know about what Jung did. They
said they're simply investigating.
但这里有疑点。中国政府非常不与我们合作。他们从来就没让外人知道老郑干了什麽。他
们只说还在调查中。
We believe that was before Olympic in China, and because of their people are
involved, they just wanted to send the trouble out of their land. Or he just
consult with the Chinese victims like he did all the time in Korea. We don't
know for sure.
我们相信这是因为这在中国奥运前,因为他们自己人的介入,他们只想要把麻烦送出国境
。或者,老郑和其他中国的受害者议和,就跟他每次韩国的案件一样。我们不确定究竟是
哪一个。
Let's go back to our Korean victims. Two of them joined other 3 victims in
Hong Kong and Malaysia (They were all the Korean girls sent from Korea) to
sue Jung.
让我们回到我们的这些韩籍受害者。其中两位加入了另外三位在香港和马来西亚受害的受
害者一起控告老郑(她们都是韩国女孩从韩国被送去面谈受害)
But for some reason, Miss Jang's family member began to interrupt this
matter. She didn't join other 4 people. It was probably her mom who took her
away from others. I heard she was such a mean and corrupted one. She got into
a trouble it just happened and nothing can bring it back. So the terrible mom
wanted make some money out of this.
但是为了某种原因,张小姐的家人开始插手这件事。她没有加入另外四位。可能是她的母
亲把她从其他受害者中带出来。我听说她(母亲)是个小气贪心的人。她已经遇上了这个
麻烦,而且是无法挽回的。所以这位糟糕的母亲想要从中挖出点钱来。
Anyhow, without letting us know, Jang agreed to consent with Jung. JMS paid
her money. Later, at the court, she said there wasn't no rape. and she
dropped her cases. She also testified that she didn't consent with Jung when
the judge asked, but Jung's lawyer already present the fact that Jang agreed
to consent with Jung. This was a false testimony in the court and is a
serious crime. She is in trouble now.
後来,没让我们知道的情况下,张小姐与老郑议和。摄理教付了她一笔钱。後来,在法庭
上,她说没有强奸的事,然後她退出告诉。当法官问她是否与老郑议和的时候,她也作证
说没有与老郑议和。但是老郑的律师之前已经在呈上法庭张小姐与老郑议和的事实。现在
这变成了在法庭上做伪证,是个严重的罪行。她现在麻烦大了。
We already sued her. She may got the money but will have to spend some year
at the prison.
我们已经控告她。她或许拿了钱,但是她现在得花几年的时间在监狱里。
One funny thing is that it was Miss Jang who persuade Miss Kim to turn Jung
into Police. Instead of being controlled by her mom, she should stand her
state in the way of justice. Yet, she choose some easy way.
一件有趣的事情是,原来是张小姐说服金小姐到警方那里去告老郑。她不该被母亲控制,
她应该在法律正义这边站稳的。但是,她选择了一条简单的路。
This is the truth of incident in China. Of course only very few part of it.
We don't know what kind of horrible things Jung might committed there. It is
just said that we can't just punish him severely.
这是发生在中国的事件的真相。当然,这只是一小部分。我们不知道郑还有在那里干下什
麽可怕的事。只能说,我们没办法够严厉地惩罚他。
Anyway, at the second session, more things will be revealed. Thanks
不管怎样,二审中会有更多的事情浮现,谢谢。
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参考资料,
韩国媒体sisapress於2006年4月23所报导郑明析在辽宁性侵女教友和勾结当地公安的报导
《郑明析,享受「逃亡皇帝」的乐趣》
sisapress官网(韩文)
http://www.sisapress.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=32634
韩中对照:http://
jacobcrab.homeip.net/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=238
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1F:推 opoj:雅古蟹水唷! 118.167.198.53 01/18 11:30
2F:推 auderey129:萨德感应到了光明哲学家?这是中性的字220.133.160.213 01/18 17:41
3F:→ auderey129:我回错篇了,用眼过度了 ^^"220.133.160.213 01/18 17:42
4F:推 springxx:推一个 ^^ 118.168.87.3 01/18 19:58
5F:推 JMS1978:所以又是一个ex成员的揣测文 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:14
6F:→ JMS1978:有无拿钱 说不确定 是听说 还赖给妈贪心 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:14
7F:→ JMS1978:更有趣的是 这里还是没讲张是怎样因说 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:15
8F:→ JMS1978:没性侵 而被判伪证 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:16
9F:→ JMS1978:就我的理解是 先前告诉说有 後来说没有 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:16
10F:推 springxx:扁迷: 阿扁是清白的 阿扁最诚实~ 118.168.68.97 01/19 09:16
11F:→ JMS1978:无论是之前说谎 或是 後来才说谎 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:16
12F:→ JMS1978:前後不一 就是伪证 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:17
13F:→ springxx:一切都是阿共仔的阴谋 骗不了我们 嘿嘿~ 118.168.68.97 01/19 09:17
14F:→ JMS1978:希望这个自认一直在比对事实的人能搞清楚 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:17
15F:→ JMS1978:sp:摄理是错的 老郑都乱讲 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:18
16F:→ JMS1978:一切都说是比喻 骗不了我们 科科 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:19
17F:推 springxx:阿扁仔 无罪啦~ 拢系你们要害呆完人 118.168.68.97 01/19 09:19
18F:推 springxx:老郑要顺服地上权柄 再吵就把他小弟剪掉 118.168.68.97 01/19 09:23
19F:→ JMS1978:都是你在讲 所以你就是地上权炳 就是了 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:24
20F:→ springxx:听说最近 韩国通过能化学去势 老郑有福了 118.168.68.97 01/19 09:25
21F:→ JMS1978:那你要不要也[去]一下 预防万一犯罪的可能 114.45.213.126 01/19 09:27
22F:推 Mangonia:XDDD springxx讲话好好笑 ~~ 60.245.115.48 01/19 10:50
亲爱的JMS1978,不论你相信也好,不相信也好,都没有办法改变张小姐被法官抓包时是在否
认老郑的姓侵事件,而不是在控诉郑明析时被法官抓包作伪证.张小姐在法庭上说谎的行动
受到所有受害者的唾弃.张小姐的伪证案已经进入司法程序.不出半年一载就会有消息出来
.如果摄理教有Exodus的受害者出庭说谎被法官抓包的消息的话,应该赶快释放消息才是,
这样子这麽快与张小姐划清界线,张小姐和盘托出的话,摄理人的面子更不知道往哪里摆
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23F:推 JMS1978:你是听不懂吗?? 那我再重复一次 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:15
24F:→ JMS1978:无论是之前说谎 或是 後来才说谎 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:16
25F:→ JMS1978:前後不一 再笨的法官也知道有做伪证 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:17
26F:→ JMS1978:我前天在法庭上 说我看到xx有偷东西 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:21
27F:→ JMS1978:今天改口说没看到 证词前後不一就是伪证 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:22
28F:→ JMS1978:所以代表我是今天的证词说谎?? 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:23
29F:→ JMS1978:你逻辑还真好阿 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:23
30F:→ JMS1978:顺便问一下 你先前说的九案待审 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:24
31F:→ JMS1978:至今也才看到审四案 而且都到了二审阶段 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:25
32F:→ JMS1978:你要不要问一下ex 其他五案到底去哪了 114.45.215.157 01/20 09:25
是呀,再笨的法官也会知道有作伪证呀,所以基本上张小姐要嘛就是为Exodus作伪证,要嘛
就是被老郑收买作伪证嘛,这个道理我们都很清楚呀.可是张小姐是否认跟老郑议和而被
法官抓包,不是控诉老郑姓侵时证词前後不一而被抓包,那就很清楚张小姐是被老郑收买
作伪证嘛.
其他案子呀,比起这几件正在审的性侵案,有很急嘛?
我先前说的九件案子是南韩报纸披露的,送你链结..
http://0rz.tw/TjJEC
不过,四个受害人代表只有四件案子?一个摄理告苹果不是就前後告了两个不同的罪名吗?
不过,关於老郑诈欺和侵占的罪名,我是还没有看到什麽消息....
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33F:→ JMS1978:原来你懂嘛 那何必先前一直装不懂 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:36
34F:→ JMS1978:你下一篇贴文说 张否认有性侵 也否认议和 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:37
35F:→ JMS1978:这里却又说 张只是因为否认议和被抓包 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:38
张小姐是否认有性侵时被法官问及是否有议和时被抓包没错呀.
36F:→ JMS1978:要急着定郑的罪 也不该随性断章取义吧 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:38
呵呵,没断章取义,我只是还没把资料贴出来罢了,反正她的伪证案12月中的时候都已经开
审的,资料还很多,也不急着一时全贴出来吧.
37F:→ JMS1978:喔~~~因为案子不急 所以慢慢来是吧 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:39
38F:→ JMS1978:阿你不是说郑逃亡数年了 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:40
39F:→ JMS1978:都拖了这麽多年 还不够慢呀??? 114.45.217.129 01/21 10:40
因为老郑已经有案子在审,所以不急,反正老郑现在逃不掉.要是其他的案子一起审的话,
搞不好老郑还会说没有时间阅卷拖时间呢.
拖了这麽多年,对呀,是老郑在拖呀,如果要快快审,那请老郑直接认罪,检调不就能直接审
下一个案子了,照你不要拖的说法,这不是不两全其美?
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40F:→ JMS1978:喔 你又改口啦 你还满反覆的 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:34
41F:→ JMS1978:要贴就快贴啦 反正你也就只会这麽做 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:35
42F:→ JMS1978:或者说 你还没把那些资料都看过 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:35
43F:→ JMS1978:只好先放个话 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:35
44F:→ JMS1978:要两全其美 还有别的方法 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:37
45F:→ JMS1978:叫ex与自称受害人等承认自己的错误 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:37
46F:→ JMS1978:要求撤告 事情也不用拖了 114.45.216.136 01/22 09:38
张小姐伪证案已遭韩国清州地方法院检察厅永洞分厅起诉,12月16/17日开庭.见小弟2月1
日於板上所贴资料.
要求撤告?你是说,像张小姐那样,良心发现到自己连撤销告诉状是怎麽写的,在哪里写的,
什麽时候写的,用什麽写的,在法庭上面都答不出来,然後你还要说她是良心发现自己撤告?
摄理不是说这些原告们才是造假,结果反而是摄理所谓良心发现的才因为造假被起诉呢
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