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標題[情報] 美國大學開始用錢和大聯盟搶新秀
時間Sat Dec 7 10:33:53 2024
在NCAA開放球員NIL(姓名、形象、肖像權)營利後
也對大聯盟選秀造成了影響
MLB teams now face new competition for talent: college programs awash with money
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開頭以今年決定跳過大聯盟選秀的頂尖高卒投手William Schmidt為例
On Day 1 of the 2024 MLB Draft, William Schmidt’s inner circle readied for a sm
all gathering to celebrate what seemed inevitable. A right-handed pitcher out of
Catholic High in Baton Rouge, La., Schmidt was a first-round pick waiting to ha
ppen.
有參加選秀的話,預計是首輪貨
Before family and friends could buckle their seatbelts on their way to the Schmi
dt household, the news broke: Schmidt would bypass the MLB draft, and stay commi
tted to LSU.
但最後他仍依約去讀LSU
Message boards were quick to credit the name, image and likeness (NIL) era of co
llege sports, in which players are paid by school boosters through third-party c
ollectives, as a major reason why Schmidt honored his college commitment.
NIL的興起,被認為是他會選擇去念大學的原因
To Johnson, it wasn’t out of the question that Schmidt could have still landed
at LSU in the pre-NIL era, à la Gerrit Cole and Mark Prior, who also went to co
llege despite being drafted in the first round out of high school. Regardless, t
here is one distinct difference between those cases and this one: Schmidt can, a
nd will, make a lot of money while living out his childhood dream.
當然在以前沒有NIL的時代
還是有可能會放棄第一輪去上大學(例如扣哥)
但William Schmidt跟這些前輩不一樣的地方是
在這同時還是賺不少錢
An SEC recruiting coordinator estimates that Schmidt will make seven figures by
the time he is draft-eligible again in three years. If the past three years serv
e as any indication, he won’t be the only one — and the ramifications of that
new reality are now trickling up, and impacting the draft boards of MLB teams.
預計在他下次選秀前,一樣能透過NIL收到七位數字的收入
NIL has grown exponentially since its advent. Consider LSU baseball in 2023, the
year the Tigers won the national championship. According to a person familiar w
ith the program’s finances, the baseball NIL budget that season was about $1 mi
llion.
NIL的錢錢也是隨時間越來越多
Eventual No. 1 overall pick Paul Skenes, an immediate-impact pitching transfer f
rom Air Force at the time, received around $250,000, the source said, to play fo
r LSU.
以 Paul Skenes為例,當初他一開始是念美國空軍學院
LSU是付了他25萬美金,請他轉學過來
而在兩年後,今年天使第三輪選進的左投Ryan Prager
最後他選擇不簽,回去德州農工大學念大三
Ryan Prager, a southpaw ace at Texas A&M, returned for his junior season after h
e did not sign as the Los Angeles Angels’ third-round pick in the 2024 MLB Draf
t. Per a source, Prager’s NIL earnings will be about $500,000, double what Sken
es earned just two years ago.
根據情報指出,他因此透過和學校的NIL的合約收到50萬鎂
是Skenes的兩倍
註:當時的報導是寫遠大於50萬
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It’s worth noting that Texas A&M is considered one of the most lucrative school
s for NIL deals, and it’s possible that could have played a role in this negoti
ation. Rodgers reported Prager’s NIL deal with Texas A&M is “
well north of $50
0,000.”
For elite talent, the NIL bonanza has in some cases made the college ranks a mor
e lucrative destination than pro baseball.
對於這些頂級新秀來說,NIL使得大學在某些情況下
成為比直接進職棒更有利可圖的地方
Drafting players used to be more straightforward for MLB teams. A potential sign
ing bonus was discussed with a player’s advisor beforehand.
過去對於MLB球隊來說
選秀球員的過程相對單純得多
在選秀前,球隊會先去接觸想要選的球員
並洽談簽約金
If both parties agreed, the player was drafted and soon thereafter signed for an
agreed-upon sum. If not, the team could pivot to negotiate with the next player
on its board.
如果雙方談成,到時選秀就會選
並依照先前談好的價格簽約
More often than not, a general manager could be sure that a player’s ask would
not change overnight.
畢竟球員應該不太可能突然提高報價
Thanks to NIL, that is no longer the case.
但現在有NIL就不一樣了
“Oftentimes, the NIL is fluid, and [college programs] can increase an offer and
move the goalpost in effect and leave an MLB team with incomplete information a
t the time of negotiation,” Flores said. “…
大學那邊會提高報價來搶
The kids now have a choice because it’s now more apples to apples rather than a
pples to something that’s not close to apples.”
等於小球員是有選擇的
因為現在的進職棒 vs 讀大學
更像是蘋果對蘋果
而不是蘋果對一些根本不像蘋果的東西
MLB front offices are starting to feel the repercussions. Outside of the first r
ound, for which the lowest slot value was $2,971,300 this past summer, SEC progr
ams have the financial firepower to effectively outbid an MLB team even for an e
arly-round pick.
NCAA東南聯盟的學校現在有財力,即使是前段輪次的選手
都能開出超過大聯盟球隊的報價
“There’s 10 teams in our league, roughly, and I don’t want to speak for them
or how they spend their money, but they have the financial means to quote-unquot
e ‘buy a player out of the draft,’ through their NIL,” Georgia head coach Wes
Johnson said.
喬治亞大學總教練Wes Johnson表示他們這聯盟的十間學校
都有能力透過NIL去從MLB選秀中留下球員
Texas A&M star outfielder Jace Laviolette, who turned 21 on Wednesday, wasn’t e
ven eligible for the draft in July — players must be three years removed from h
igh school or 21 years old — but according to an amateur scouting director in t
he South, Laviolette may make up to $750,000 as a junior this school year.
像是德州農工大學的21歲外野手Jace Laviolette
預計在他大三這年最高能賺到75萬美金
With that being the kind of money available to top college talent, multiple year
s’ worth of NIL could be comparable to a one-time professional signing bonus.
考慮到頂尖大學球員能獲得的這金額
多年下來的NIL收入
是可能和領一次的大聯盟簽約金競爭的
Prospects lost to college baseball are more likely to enter the draft ready to m
ake good on their signing bonuses, albeit at the expense of MLB teams’ preferre
d development plan.
而且這些跑去念大學的選手
之後投入選秀也更有可能拿到高額的簽約金
The 2023 MLB Draft featured a handful of top college players, including Skenes (
No. 1), LSU outfielder Dylan Crews (No. 2), Florida outfielder Wyatt Langford (N
o. 4), Grand Canyon shortstop Jacob Wilson (No. 6), Wake Forest right-handed pit
cher Rhett Lowder (No. 7) and Florida Atlantic first baseman Nolan Schanuel (No.
11), all of whom have already made their major-league debuts.
例如2023大聯盟選秀就一堆大學球員高順位
而且很多都已經早早登上大聯盟了
Paul Skenes
Dylan Crews
Wyatt Langford
Jacob Wilson
Rhett Lowder
Nolan Schanuel
For signing bonuses that ranged from Skenes’ $9.20 million to Schanuel’s $5.25
million, each team received a quick return on investment.
他們拿到525萬-920萬的高額簽約金
“Professional baseball organizations are relying on college baseball to develop
their players at a rate higher than ever,” Jay Johnson said.
美職也越來越依賴大學
以比以往更快的速度養成球員
In accordance with House v. NCAA, a historic lawsuit settlement earlier this yea
r that opened the door for schools to share revenue directly with athletes, coll
ege baseball teams by 2025-26 will be allowed to offer up to 34 full scholarship
s for the first time in the history of the sport.
除了NIL資金注入外
從2025-2026開始,一支NCAA棒球隊允許給到34份全額獎學金(原本只有11.7份)
“We used to be able to offer a signing bonus and a scholarship, where colleges
could only offer a limited scholarship.
以前大聯盟球隊能藉由簽約金+提供獎學金來說服球員
畢竟當時大學棒球只能拿到有限的獎學金
Now it’s definitely a more level playing field because they have NIL, they have
more scholarships if they’re funding them and you just got to be able … to pr
ove to them that they’re walking into a situation that’s going to make them be
tter.”
但現在不一樣了,大學和大聯盟是處在平等的競爭環境
大學能透過NIL +獎學金留下球員
Three years ago, MLB decision-makers ruminated on NIL worst-case scenarios.
三年前大聯盟的決策者曾思考過NIL的最壞情況
Three years from now, no one knows for sure how it might evolve. But today, MLB
executives and college coaches alike acknowledge that college baseball programs
have been empowered to vie for some of the best young talent the sport has to of
fer.
三年後也沒有人能確定它會如何發展
但如今大聯盟高層和大學教練都承認
大學棒球獲得爭搶好球員的能力
Opinions vary on whether such a reality is for better or worse. Regardless, it’
s here.
對於這樣是利是弊,意見不一
但無論如何它已經來臨
“We’ve hypothesized over these possibilities of this type of stuff, and now it
’s real,” Colahan said. “So we got to learn to live with that.”
我們曾經假設過這類事情的可能性,現在它變成了現實
所以我們必須學會與此共處
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※ zxc906383:轉錄至看板 MLB 12/07 10:34
1F:推 triff: 職棒跟大學建教合作把大學當農場12/07 10:39
2F:推 Yjizz: 良性競爭 Z>B ?12/07 10:40
3F:推 huangjyuan: NCAA現在超有錢 連帶大學也有錢搶球員12/07 10:40
4F:→ saidon: 小鬍子的網紅女友就是nil的最大受益者之一阿12/07 10:41
5F:推 tommyshu: 大學先養好球員 職棒就不用養太久12/07 10:42
6F:→ tommyshu: 球員先去大學賺錢 就不用先蹲寒酸小聯盟12/07 10:42
7F:→ tommyshu: 雙贏(? 12/07 10:42
8F:→ WasJohnWall: 蹲大學真的不錯 12/07 10:43
9F:→ saidon: 大學畢業才簽還是要先去蹲寒酸小聯盟阿 大學畢業不等於即12/07 10:43
10F:→ saidon: 戰力12/07 10:43
11F:推 basketballj: 這樣對國際球員算是有利吧12/07 10:44
12F:→ saidon: 差別是你去蹲小聯盟的時候口袋已經有點錢 比較不會拮据xd12/07 10:45
13F:推 tommyshu: 就是這個意思啊 職棒不用養太久 所以大學球員有錢又不12/07 10:46
14F:→ tommyshu: 用蹲太久12/07 10:46
15F:推 alljerry04: 看起來好像是雙贏12/07 10:49
16F:推 huangjyuan: 他們大學現在還是打鋁棒嗎?12/07 10:50
17F:推 lions402: 雙贏阿 你在大學能賺錢練到更強 在小聯盟也不用待久12/07 10:50
18F:→ lions402: 球團也不用等太久就能用 這樣不是很爽嘛12/07 10:51
19F:推 Alderamin: 利多吧12/07 10:53
20F:推 cat110211: Z>B吧12/07 10:58
21F:推 AhCheng: 一樣 大學投的好自然可以去大聯盟,錢多還不用在小聯盟 12/07 10:59
22F:→ AhCheng: 蹲 12/07 10:59
23F:推 bmwnyy870915: 有錢有學歷不用在小聯盟蹲很久 贏麻了12/07 11:02
24F:推 KasugaMirai: 在大學有練到東西小聯盟就可以縮短12/07 11:04
25F:推 benboy: 這樣1A2A會不會只剩下國際球員? 還是影響不大?XD12/07 11:04
26F:推 chyx741021: 大學畢業球員球技都比較成熟了,蹲小聯盟也不用蹲那12/07 11:05
27F:→ chyx741021: 麼久12/07 11:05
28F:推 polanco: 不會吧 能拿上百萬的高中生還是優先加入職棒12/07 11:06
29F:推 lions402: 頂尖的有差而已吧 一般人要去蹲小聯盟打怪練功 12/07 11:06
30F:推 ilanese: 拿到大學文憑,順便練球也不錯。 12/07 11:06
31F:→ ilanese: NCAA本來錢就賺很飽,拿一些給學生不過份。12/07 11:07
32F:推 bjqs0827: 小聯盟太苦了 大學養成也不差錢又多12/07 11:08
33F:推 catsondbs: 運科起來說不定大學養成更強12/07 11:17
34F:推 ILLwill: 這對棒球員應該很有魅力12/07 11:17
35F:→ ILLwill: 生活無虞又能打球又有學歷12/07 11:18
36F:→ saidon: 其實大學時期參加選秀的球員不一定有拿到文憑及大學學歷12/07 11:20
37F:推 work1024: 有學歷還是很重要的12/07 11:20
38F:→ saidon: 大聯盟針對大學生的選秀規定是年滿21或完成大三學業就可投12/07 11:20
39F:→ saidon: 入選秀12/07 11:20
40F:推 chen159357: 不愧是資本主義大國12/07 11:24
41F:→ WasJohnWall: 看要怎麼選啊 大學打的好可以2A起步12/07 11:27
42F:→ Lewandowski9: 原來Skenes原本是軍校喔12/07 11:33
43F:推 Yuriceratops: 大學名校的軟硬體可以贏過不少小聯盟球隊 12/07 11:34
44F:→ LADKUO56: 這算好事吧 小檸檬收入太少了 自費打球 12/07 11:37
45F:推 adad48362: 對球員跟大聯盟是好事 小聯盟就不知道了12/07 11:38
46F:推 ke265379ke: 大學還有妹子 運動員大學妹子不缺12/07 11:41
47F:推 ts1993: 缺點就 畢業在選秀 年紀比較大吧 還是會去小聯盟1-2年12/07 11:42
48F:→ saidon: 反證不管怎樣他們都是要還去小聯盟練功 待多久打哪些層級12/07 11:42
49F:→ saidon: 的差別而已12/07 11:42
50F:→ saidon: 然後年紀也有差 畢竟越晚進大聯盟越晚累積年資麻12/07 11:43
51F:→ ts1993: 就fa時年齡可能偏大 12/07 11:44
※ zxc906383:轉錄至看板 NCAA 12/07 11:46
52F:推 shortoneal: 這樣以後高中旅美會是個顯學嗎?12/07 11:47
53F:推 www2967: 反正在漲學費或多啦幾個乾爹贊助 嘻嘻12/07 11:47
54F:推 choobii: $$$$$$ 一堆打球的家裡都沒錢 哪來錢高中就去 又不是林家12/07 11:49
55F:→ choobii: 正他家有錢人12/07 11:49
56F:推 www115ui8: 這是好事 選手可以有存款不用到處奔波打工12/07 11:50
57F:推 erodora: 職業學生12/07 11:53
58F:推 Arodz: 這樣很好吧…12/07 11:57
59F:→ shifa: 風險在於 大學會不會楊懷樂 例如投球168之類的12/07 12:06
60F:推 amos30627: 打棒球的應該比較有錢12/07 12:09
61F:→ saidon: 哪有比較有錢 之前一堆小聯盟休賽季期間要去兼差的12/07 12:11
62F:推 Mcnair: 這樣很好,進職業體系前,口袋就有些許存款12/07 12:11
63F:→ Mcnair: 不用像現在一樣,一堆小聯盟的球員都要兼差才能生活12/07 12:12
64F:推 ctes940008: NCAA賺爛了 12/07 12:13
65F:→ saidon: 不過這幾年多虧小聯盟改造計畫 小聯盟球員待遇有所改善 12/07 12:13
66F:→ saidon: 但休賽季該兼差的可能還是要兼差12/07 12:13
67F:推 a40558473: 雙贏啊 小聯盟不用蹲太久 也比較不用擔心經濟12/07 12:15
68F:推 skelling: 頂尖球員還是早點打職業比較好吧,早點FA,差一兩歲就12/07 12:18
69F:→ skelling: 差很多12/07 12:18
70F:推 david8840505: 推好文12/07 12:23
71F:推 erodora: 美國大學養成能力不輸職業的12/07 12:31
72F:推 lions402: 又是中職日職FA要卡超久才有 MLB FA短的合理多 12/07 12:31
73F:推 illumi: 對大聯盟不是更爽,首輪簽約金有上限阿 12/07 12:38
74F:推 letgoofcow: 看起來像好事12/07 12:54
75F:推 victor87710: 大學養成能力不錯吧12/07 13:04
76F:推 jocabyu: 而且大學畢業後簽進來是直接從2A打12/07 13:09
77F:推 CowBaoGan: 不只外國人 現在連米國自己人都不想蹲小聯盟地獄了12/07 13:23
78F:→ CowBaoGan: 上大學養成再進職棒也許可以不用蹲那麼久(?)還有錢拿12/07 13:24
79F:推 Dimitre: 良性競爭吧 大學選手成熟度高 進職業也不會在小聯盟練太12/07 13:47
80F:→ Dimitre: 久12/07 13:47
81F:→ rlrbc: 這裡說的是前三輪甚至首輪的高中畢業新秀,能賺錢又不想在 12/07 14:10
82F:→ rlrbc: 小聯盟蹲太久 12/07 14:10
83F:推 Hosimati: 除非大學養成有問題,不然應該不太弊12/07 14:17
84F:→ Hosimati: 反正你之後再投入也是有簽約金,繼續念是多拿的12/07 14:18
85F:→ newsnew: 對球員來說也是好事 有唸大學以後職棒不順 工作也方便12/07 14:32
86F:推 pass9487: Ncaa有多少隻啊12/07 14:44
87F:推 KOEI56: 這只對前幾輪的新秀有差 你選秀尾的根本沒影響12/07 14:56
88F:推 markbex: 真是三贏耶:學生球員、MLB、大學體系12/07 15:07
89F:推 hayato01: 之前美國就有很多影視作品在嘲諷NCAA這些聯盟,明明自 12/07 15:49
90F:→ hayato01: 己靠學生運動賺飽飽,卻不準學生賺錢 12/07 15:49
91F:→ vfgb35: 這個值得寫些運科研究論文12/07 16:07
92F:推 adwn: 大學畢業直上大聯盟不用蹲小聯盟的話,的確是賺爛了12/07 16:21
93F:推 lovevale: 但也不是所有人還想繼續念書吧?12/07 18:37
94F:推 rlrbc: 大學畢業不可能直上mlb啦……最少都要蹲約一年屠殺milb,12/07 19:00
95F:→ rlrbc: 隔年才會上mlb12/07 19:00
※ 編輯: zxc906383 (1.162.47.102 臺灣), 12/07/2024 19:02:21
96F:推 tedandjolin: 聽起來還不錯啊 如果大學養成OK 幹嘛去小聯盟被糟蹋 12/07 19:52
97F:→ saidon: 大學打完也不可能直升大聯盟阿 法官這種一輪貨也是蹲了三 12/08 06:32
98F:→ saidon: 年小聯盟才被升上來 12/08 06:32
99F:→ saidon: jocabyu: 而且大學畢業後簽進來是直接從2A打 12/08 06:33
100F:→ saidon: 沒這種事好麻 你要不要去查一下法官北極熊印度這些人當初 12/08 06:34
101F:→ saidon: 從哪個層級開始打的 12/08 06:34