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标题[情报] 美国大学开始用钱和大联盟抢新秀
时间Sat Dec 7 10:33:53 2024
在NCAA开放球员NIL(姓名、形象、肖像权)营利後
也对大联盟选秀造成了影响
MLB teams now face new competition for talent: college programs awash with money
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开头以今年决定跳过大联盟选秀的顶尖高卒投手William Schmidt为例
On Day 1 of the 2024 MLB Draft, William Schmidt’s inner circle readied for a sm
all gathering to celebrate what seemed inevitable. A right-handed pitcher out of
Catholic High in Baton Rouge, La., Schmidt was a first-round pick waiting to ha
ppen.
有参加选秀的话,预计是首轮货
Before family and friends could buckle their seatbelts on their way to the Schmi
dt household, the news broke: Schmidt would bypass the MLB draft, and stay commi
tted to LSU.
但最後他仍依约去读LSU
Message boards were quick to credit the name, image and likeness (NIL) era of co
llege sports, in which players are paid by school boosters through third-party c
ollectives, as a major reason why Schmidt honored his college commitment.
NIL的兴起,被认为是他会选择去念大学的原因
To Johnson, it wasn’t out of the question that Schmidt could have still landed
at LSU in the pre-NIL era, à la Gerrit Cole and Mark Prior, who also went to co
llege despite being drafted in the first round out of high school. Regardless, t
here is one distinct difference between those cases and this one: Schmidt can, a
nd will, make a lot of money while living out his childhood dream.
当然在以前没有NIL的时代
还是有可能会放弃第一轮去上大学(例如扣哥)
但William Schmidt跟这些前辈不一样的地方是
在这同时还是赚不少钱
An SEC recruiting coordinator estimates that Schmidt will make seven figures by
the time he is draft-eligible again in three years. If the past three years serv
e as any indication, he won’t be the only one — and the ramifications of that
new reality are now trickling up, and impacting the draft boards of MLB teams.
预计在他下次选秀前,一样能透过NIL收到七位数字的收入
NIL has grown exponentially since its advent. Consider LSU baseball in 2023, the
year the Tigers won the national championship. According to a person familiar w
ith the program’s finances, the baseball NIL budget that season was about $1 mi
llion.
NIL的钱钱也是随时间越来越多
Eventual No. 1 overall pick Paul Skenes, an immediate-impact pitching transfer f
rom Air Force at the time, received around $250,000, the source said, to play fo
r LSU.
以 Paul Skenes为例,当初他一开始是念美国空军学院
LSU是付了他25万美金,请他转学过来
而在两年後,今年天使第三轮选进的左投Ryan Prager
最後他选择不签,回去德州农工大学念大三
Ryan Prager, a southpaw ace at Texas A&M, returned for his junior season after h
e did not sign as the Los Angeles Angels’ third-round pick in the 2024 MLB Draf
t. Per a source, Prager’s NIL earnings will be about $500,000, double what Sken
es earned just two years ago.
根据情报指出,他因此透过和学校的NIL的合约收到50万镁
是Skenes的两倍
注:当时的报导是写远大於50万
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It’s worth noting that Texas A&M is considered one of the most lucrative school
s for NIL deals, and it’s possible that could have played a role in this negoti
ation. Rodgers reported Prager’s NIL deal with Texas A&M is “
well north of $50
0,000.”
For elite talent, the NIL bonanza has in some cases made the college ranks a mor
e lucrative destination than pro baseball.
对於这些顶级新秀来说,NIL使得大学在某些情况下
成为比直接进职棒更有利可图的地方
Drafting players used to be more straightforward for MLB teams. A potential sign
ing bonus was discussed with a player’s advisor beforehand.
过去对於MLB球队来说
选秀球员的过程相对单纯得多
在选秀前,球队会先去接触想要选的球员
并洽谈签约金
If both parties agreed, the player was drafted and soon thereafter signed for an
agreed-upon sum. If not, the team could pivot to negotiate with the next player
on its board.
如果双方谈成,到时选秀就会选
并依照先前谈好的价格签约
More often than not, a general manager could be sure that a player’s ask would
not change overnight.
毕竟球员应该不太可能突然提高报价
Thanks to NIL, that is no longer the case.
但现在有NIL就不一样了
“Oftentimes, the NIL is fluid, and [college programs] can increase an offer and
move the goalpost in effect and leave an MLB team with incomplete information a
t the time of negotiation,” Flores said. “…
大学那边会提高报价来抢
The kids now have a choice because it’s now more apples to apples rather than a
pples to something that’s not close to apples.”
等於小球员是有选择的
因为现在的进职棒 vs 读大学
更像是苹果对苹果
而不是苹果对一些根本不像苹果的东西
MLB front offices are starting to feel the repercussions. Outside of the first r
ound, for which the lowest slot value was $2,971,300 this past summer, SEC progr
ams have the financial firepower to effectively outbid an MLB team even for an e
arly-round pick.
NCAA东南联盟的学校现在有财力,即使是前段轮次的选手
都能开出超过大联盟球队的报价
“There’s 10 teams in our league, roughly, and I don’t want to speak for them
or how they spend their money, but they have the financial means to quote-unquot
e ‘buy a player out of the draft,’ through their NIL,” Georgia head coach Wes
Johnson said.
乔治亚大学总教练Wes Johnson表示他们这联盟的十间学校
都有能力透过NIL去从MLB选秀中留下球员
Texas A&M star outfielder Jace Laviolette, who turned 21 on Wednesday, wasn’t e
ven eligible for the draft in July — players must be three years removed from h
igh school or 21 years old — but according to an amateur scouting director in t
he South, Laviolette may make up to $750,000 as a junior this school year.
像是德州农工大学的21岁外野手Jace Laviolette
预计在他大三这年最高能赚到75万美金
With that being the kind of money available to top college talent, multiple year
s’ worth of NIL could be comparable to a one-time professional signing bonus.
考虑到顶尖大学球员能获得的这金额
多年下来的NIL收入
是可能和领一次的大联盟签约金竞争的
Prospects lost to college baseball are more likely to enter the draft ready to m
ake good on their signing bonuses, albeit at the expense of MLB teams’ preferre
d development plan.
而且这些跑去念大学的选手
之後投入选秀也更有可能拿到高额的签约金
The 2023 MLB Draft featured a handful of top college players, including Skenes (
No. 1), LSU outfielder Dylan Crews (No. 2), Florida outfielder Wyatt Langford (N
o. 4), Grand Canyon shortstop Jacob Wilson (No. 6), Wake Forest right-handed pit
cher Rhett Lowder (No. 7) and Florida Atlantic first baseman Nolan Schanuel (No.
11), all of whom have already made their major-league debuts.
例如2023大联盟选秀就一堆大学球员高顺位
而且很多都已经早早登上大联盟了
Paul Skenes
Dylan Crews
Wyatt Langford
Jacob Wilson
Rhett Lowder
Nolan Schanuel
For signing bonuses that ranged from Skenes’ $9.20 million to Schanuel’s $5.25
million, each team received a quick return on investment.
他们拿到525万-920万的高额签约金
“Professional baseball organizations are relying on college baseball to develop
their players at a rate higher than ever,” Jay Johnson said.
美职也越来越依赖大学
以比以往更快的速度养成球员
In accordance with House v. NCAA, a historic lawsuit settlement earlier this yea
r that opened the door for schools to share revenue directly with athletes, coll
ege baseball teams by 2025-26 will be allowed to offer up to 34 full scholarship
s for the first time in the history of the sport.
除了NIL资金注入外
从2025-2026开始,一支NCAA棒球队允许给到34份全额奖学金(原本只有11.7份)
“We used to be able to offer a signing bonus and a scholarship, where colleges
could only offer a limited scholarship.
以前大联盟球队能藉由签约金+提供奖学金来说服球员
毕竟当时大学棒球只能拿到有限的奖学金
Now it’s definitely a more level playing field because they have NIL, they have
more scholarships if they’re funding them and you just got to be able … to pr
ove to them that they’re walking into a situation that’s going to make them be
tter.”
但现在不一样了,大学和大联盟是处在平等的竞争环境
大学能透过NIL +奖学金留下球员
Three years ago, MLB decision-makers ruminated on NIL worst-case scenarios.
三年前大联盟的决策者曾思考过NIL的最坏情况
Three years from now, no one knows for sure how it might evolve. But today, MLB
executives and college coaches alike acknowledge that college baseball programs
have been empowered to vie for some of the best young talent the sport has to of
fer.
三年後也没有人能确定它会如何发展
但如今大联盟高层和大学教练都承认
大学棒球获得争抢好球员的能力
Opinions vary on whether such a reality is for better or worse. Regardless, it’
s here.
对於这样是利是弊,意见不一
但无论如何它已经来临
“We’ve hypothesized over these possibilities of this type of stuff, and now it
’s real,” Colahan said. “So we got to learn to live with that.”
我们曾经假设过这类事情的可能性,现在它变成了现实
所以我们必须学会与此共处
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※ zxc906383:转录至看板 MLB 12/07 10:34
1F:推 triff: 职棒跟大学建教合作把大学当农场12/07 10:39
2F:推 Yjizz: 良性竞争 Z>B ?12/07 10:40
3F:推 huangjyuan: NCAA现在超有钱 连带大学也有钱抢球员12/07 10:40
4F:→ saidon: 小胡子的网红女友就是nil的最大受益者之一阿12/07 10:41
5F:推 tommyshu: 大学先养好球员 职棒就不用养太久12/07 10:42
6F:→ tommyshu: 球员先去大学赚钱 就不用先蹲寒酸小联盟12/07 10:42
7F:→ tommyshu: 双赢(? 12/07 10:42
8F:→ WasJohnWall: 蹲大学真的不错 12/07 10:43
9F:→ saidon: 大学毕业才签还是要先去蹲寒酸小联盟阿 大学毕业不等於即12/07 10:43
10F:→ saidon: 战力12/07 10:43
11F:推 basketballj: 这样对国际球员算是有利吧12/07 10:44
12F:→ saidon: 差别是你去蹲小联盟的时候口袋已经有点钱 比较不会拮据xd12/07 10:45
13F:推 tommyshu: 就是这个意思啊 职棒不用养太久 所以大学球员有钱又不12/07 10:46
14F:→ tommyshu: 用蹲太久12/07 10:46
15F:推 alljerry04: 看起来好像是双赢12/07 10:49
16F:推 huangjyuan: 他们大学现在还是打铝棒吗?12/07 10:50
17F:推 lions402: 双赢阿 你在大学能赚钱练到更强 在小联盟也不用待久12/07 10:50
18F:→ lions402: 球团也不用等太久就能用 这样不是很爽嘛12/07 10:51
19F:推 Alderamin: 利多吧12/07 10:53
20F:推 cat110211: Z>B吧12/07 10:58
21F:推 AhCheng: 一样 大学投的好自然可以去大联盟,钱多还不用在小联盟 12/07 10:59
22F:→ AhCheng: 蹲 12/07 10:59
23F:推 bmwnyy870915: 有钱有学历不用在小联盟蹲很久 赢麻了12/07 11:02
24F:推 KasugaMirai: 在大学有练到东西小联盟就可以缩短12/07 11:04
25F:推 benboy: 这样1A2A会不会只剩下国际球员? 还是影响不大?XD12/07 11:04
26F:推 chyx741021: 大学毕业球员球技都比较成熟了,蹲小联盟也不用蹲那12/07 11:05
27F:→ chyx741021: 麽久12/07 11:05
28F:推 polanco: 不会吧 能拿上百万的高中生还是优先加入职棒12/07 11:06
29F:推 lions402: 顶尖的有差而已吧 一般人要去蹲小联盟打怪练功 12/07 11:06
30F:推 ilanese: 拿到大学文凭,顺便练球也不错。 12/07 11:06
31F:→ ilanese: NCAA本来钱就赚很饱,拿一些给学生不过份。12/07 11:07
32F:推 bjqs0827: 小联盟太苦了 大学养成也不差钱又多12/07 11:08
33F:推 catsondbs: 运科起来说不定大学养成更强12/07 11:17
34F:推 ILLwill: 这对棒球员应该很有魅力12/07 11:17
35F:→ ILLwill: 生活无虞又能打球又有学历12/07 11:18
36F:→ saidon: 其实大学时期参加选秀的球员不一定有拿到文凭及大学学历12/07 11:20
37F:推 work1024: 有学历还是很重要的12/07 11:20
38F:→ saidon: 大联盟针对大学生的选秀规定是年满21或完成大三学业就可投12/07 11:20
39F:→ saidon: 入选秀12/07 11:20
40F:推 chen159357: 不愧是资本主义大国12/07 11:24
41F:→ WasJohnWall: 看要怎麽选啊 大学打的好可以2A起步12/07 11:27
42F:→ Lewandowski9: 原来Skenes原本是军校喔12/07 11:33
43F:推 Yuriceratops: 大学名校的软硬体可以赢过不少小联盟球队 12/07 11:34
44F:→ LADKUO56: 这算好事吧 小柠檬收入太少了 自费打球 12/07 11:37
45F:推 adad48362: 对球员跟大联盟是好事 小联盟就不知道了12/07 11:38
46F:推 ke265379ke: 大学还有妹子 运动员大学妹子不缺12/07 11:41
47F:推 ts1993: 缺点就 毕业在选秀 年纪比较大吧 还是会去小联盟1-2年12/07 11:42
48F:→ saidon: 反证不管怎样他们都是要还去小联盟练功 待多久打哪些层级12/07 11:42
49F:→ saidon: 的差别而已12/07 11:42
50F:→ saidon: 然後年纪也有差 毕竟越晚进大联盟越晚累积年资麻12/07 11:43
51F:→ ts1993: 就fa时年龄可能偏大 12/07 11:44
※ zxc906383:转录至看板 NCAA 12/07 11:46
52F:推 shortoneal: 这样以後高中旅美会是个显学吗?12/07 11:47
53F:推 www2967: 反正在涨学费或多啦几个乾爹赞助 嘻嘻12/07 11:47
54F:推 choobii: $$$$$$ 一堆打球的家里都没钱 哪来钱高中就去 又不是林家12/07 11:49
55F:→ choobii: 正他家有钱人12/07 11:49
56F:推 www115ui8: 这是好事 选手可以有存款不用到处奔波打工12/07 11:50
57F:推 erodora: 职业学生12/07 11:53
58F:推 Arodz: 这样很好吧…12/07 11:57
59F:→ shifa: 风险在於 大学会不会杨怀乐 例如投球168之类的12/07 12:06
60F:推 amos30627: 打棒球的应该比较有钱12/07 12:09
61F:→ saidon: 哪有比较有钱 之前一堆小联盟休赛季期间要去兼差的12/07 12:11
62F:推 Mcnair: 这样很好,进职业体系前,口袋就有些许存款12/07 12:11
63F:→ Mcnair: 不用像现在一样,一堆小联盟的球员都要兼差才能生活12/07 12:12
64F:推 ctes940008: NCAA赚烂了 12/07 12:13
65F:→ saidon: 不过这几年多亏小联盟改造计画 小联盟球员待遇有所改善 12/07 12:13
66F:→ saidon: 但休赛季该兼差的可能还是要兼差12/07 12:13
67F:推 a40558473: 双赢啊 小联盟不用蹲太久 也比较不用担心经济12/07 12:15
68F:推 skelling: 顶尖球员还是早点打职业比较好吧,早点FA,差一两岁就12/07 12:18
69F:→ skelling: 差很多12/07 12:18
70F:推 david8840505: 推好文12/07 12:23
71F:推 erodora: 美国大学养成能力不输职业的12/07 12:31
72F:推 lions402: 又是中职日职FA要卡超久才有 MLB FA短的合理多 12/07 12:31
73F:推 illumi: 对大联盟不是更爽,首轮签约金有上限阿 12/07 12:38
74F:推 letgoofcow: 看起来像好事12/07 12:54
75F:推 victor87710: 大学养成能力不错吧12/07 13:04
76F:推 jocabyu: 而且大学毕业後签进来是直接从2A打12/07 13:09
77F:推 CowBaoGan: 不只外国人 现在连米国自己人都不想蹲小联盟地狱了12/07 13:23
78F:→ CowBaoGan: 上大学养成再进职棒也许可以不用蹲那麽久(?)还有钱拿12/07 13:24
79F:推 Dimitre: 良性竞争吧 大学选手成熟度高 进职业也不会在小联盟练太12/07 13:47
80F:→ Dimitre: 久12/07 13:47
81F:→ rlrbc: 这里说的是前三轮甚至首轮的高中毕业新秀,能赚钱又不想在 12/07 14:10
82F:→ rlrbc: 小联盟蹲太久 12/07 14:10
83F:推 Hosimati: 除非大学养成有问题,不然应该不太弊12/07 14:17
84F:→ Hosimati: 反正你之後再投入也是有签约金,继续念是多拿的12/07 14:18
85F:→ newsnew: 对球员来说也是好事 有念大学以後职棒不顺 工作也方便12/07 14:32
86F:推 pass9487: Ncaa有多少只啊12/07 14:44
87F:推 KOEI56: 这只对前几轮的新秀有差 你选秀尾的根本没影响12/07 14:56
88F:推 markbex: 真是三赢耶:学生球员、MLB、大学体系12/07 15:07
89F:推 hayato01: 之前美国就有很多影视作品在嘲讽NCAA这些联盟,明明自 12/07 15:49
90F:→ hayato01: 己靠学生运动赚饱饱,却不准学生赚钱 12/07 15:49
91F:→ vfgb35: 这个值得写些运科研究论文12/07 16:07
92F:推 adwn: 大学毕业直上大联盟不用蹲小联盟的话,的确是赚烂了12/07 16:21
93F:推 lovevale: 但也不是所有人还想继续念书吧?12/07 18:37
94F:推 rlrbc: 大学毕业不可能直上mlb啦……最少都要蹲约一年屠杀milb,12/07 19:00
95F:→ rlrbc: 隔年才会上mlb12/07 19:00
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96F:推 tedandjolin: 听起来还不错啊 如果大学养成OK 干嘛去小联盟被糟蹋 12/07 19:52
97F:→ saidon: 大学打完也不可能直升大联盟阿 法官这种一轮货也是蹲了三 12/08 06:32
98F:→ saidon: 年小联盟才被升上来 12/08 06:32
99F:→ saidon: jocabyu: 而且大学毕业後签进来是直接从2A打 12/08 06:33
100F:→ saidon: 没这种事好麻 你要不要去查一下法官北极熊印度这些人当初 12/08 06:34
101F:→ saidon: 从哪个层级开始打的 12/08 06:34