https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/1743143824782709230 The Ringer的创办人 Bill Simmons跟旗下记者Howard 探讨湖人的现状 #1bcyInnH (NBA) 这篇的番外篇 https://vocaroo.com/12rUhXGBfrH9 16:20-19:35 节目中间谈到了2003-2004 湖人内部的情况 Bill: Wait, I gotta do a quick aside with you. So were you covering the 04 Lakers? 等等，我得跟你闲聊一下，你有报导过04年的湖人？ Howard: That was my last season out there, was 03, 04, yeah. 那时我最後一季在湖人，2003-2004 Bill: So that's like a famous wheels coming off, everybody unhappy team. I mean, maybe the unhappiest team that's ever actually made the finals, and it had that famous, that, what was the moment when Rick Fox and a couple guys pulled Phil Jackson into the shower? 那是一直非常混乱，大家都不开心的球队。我想那可能是史上最不开心却打进总冠军的 球队，还有那个着名的一幕，Rick Fox和几个球员把Phil Jackson拉进淋浴间？ Howard: Into the showers of Detroit 拉进底特律的淋浴间。 Bill: To convince him to change the lineups? Just tell the story. 是为了说服他改变阵容吗？讲讲那个故事。 Howard: So, yes, famously unhappy team with four future Hall of Famers on it, right? Kobe and Shaq, plus Karl Malone and Gary Payton, who had both signed on to ring chase in the summer of 03. They do make the finals, right? It's funny, that team gets, I think, unfairly tarred at times. Like, guys, they made the finals. I know they got smoked by the Pistons, and it was an incredible, like, among the biggest shockers we've had in the finals, that Pistons team knocking out the Lakers. But yeah, the Lakers were incredibly unhappy. A lot of that was just the same old thing. 是的，这支知名的不开心球队有四个未来的名人堂球员，Kobe和Shaq，Malone和Payton 则在03年夏天加入湖人，希望能拿到冠军戒。他们也确实打进了总冠军赛 有趣的是，我认为这支球队有时受到了不公平的指责，我知道他们被活塞击败， 这是一个令人难以置信的情况，可以说是我们在总冠军赛中见过的最大的震撼之一， 那支活塞队淘汰了湖人队。但其实湖人内部非常不开心，其中很多原因都是老生常谈 It was Shaq and Kobe. Gary Payton wasn't happy playing the triangle, so he and Phil Jackson were at odds. Karl Malone was hurt. Karl Malone had been, like, the Lakers, I think, went, like, 23 and three or something out of the gate that year. Karl Malone, who had never missed games his entire career in Utah. I think it was Scott Williams falls into him in Phoenix. It's a freak accident. Messes up Malone's knee. 其一是Shaq和Kobe。Payton不喜欢打三角战术，所以跟Jackson教练不合，Malone也受伤了 湖人开季大概是23胜3败。在爵士生涯中 Malone几乎从未缺席比赛。我想是Scott Williams在太阳的比赛中撞到他。那是个意外伤了Malone的膝盖。 Bill: He's never the same. He's playing hurt or not playing the rest of the year. 从此 Malone不再是同个人。余下的赛季要麽带伤打，要麽就不打。 Howard: And he was the one holding that team together, Bill. He was the one, like, Kobe and Shaq, as much as they, and, you know, Kobe's facing his sexual assault charges that season, too. So that's the year he's flying back and forth to Colorado for hearings. He and Shaq are absolutely, positively done with each other. Kobe's unloaded on Shaq, finally, through Jim Gray, with the statement about Shaq delaying his toe surgery and his bad work habits and all this stuff. Karl Malone was the one who could keep that team in balance. And so when he went down with this, kind of like I say, freak accident early in the season, and I think it was December, they're never the same. He comes back toward the end, and then I think he aggravates the knee or something. So the next thing you know, you've got Slava Medvedenko is guarding Rasheed Wallace in the finals. Like, it was just, Rick Fox was older. Horace Grant was like, they had like dusted him off. 当时 Malone是湖人队的支柱，跟 Kobe和Shaq一样重要，Kobe那个赛季还面临性侵指控。 所以那年他得来回飞科罗拉多参加听证会。 他和Shaq完全绝交了。Kobe最後透过Jim Gray 向Shaq全盘托出，指责Shaq拖延脚趾手术和他糟糕的工作习惯等等。 Malone 是能够让那支球队保持平衡的人。所以当他在季初受奇怪的伤後，好像是12月吧 ，湖人就再也不一样了。他在赛季末回归，然後我记得他有受了伤，膝盖之类的 接下来，你看到Slava Medvedenko在总决赛中防守 Rasheed Wallace。 这实在是太疯狂，Rick Fox年纪大了。Horace Grant好像是他们从退休中找回来的。 He was like, I think, semi-retired at that point. They just, they were old around all the edges. Like all the role players had gotten creaky. Shaq and Kobe wanted nothing to do with each other. Gary Payton was mad about the triangle. And that was it. Robert Horry was gone. They had kind of sacrificed him when they brought in Karl Malone. So it was a lot of things. And yeah, the shower that you're talking about was, I think, I can't remember what the lineup had been, but basically with this series and the championship on the brink, that old core of like Fox, Derek Fisher, Horace Grant, trying to think of who else was in that group. Maybe Brian Shaw, but they went to Phil and basically said, I think it was maybe a shoot around, like give our original group the chance to like save this thing. 他那时候好像已经半退休了。他们整支球队都很老，所有的角色球员都状况不佳 Shaq 和 Kobe不想和对方打交道。Gary Payton对三角战术不满。Robert Horry已经离开了 他们在引进 Malone时交易了他。所以有很多问题。而你说的淋浴间那件事，我不记得当时 的阵容是什麽，但应该是在系列赛和冠军天王山之战前，球队的老核心 Fox、 Derek Fisher、Horace Grant，可能还有Brian Shaw，在投篮训练中，一起跑去找Phil 对他说「给我们原来的团队一个机会来拯救这件事。」 Bill: Right, let's go down with the original crew. And by the way, they went down anyway. 对，让我们跟着原班人马一起去打。顺便说一下，他们最终还是输了比赛。 Howard: And they went down anyway. 他们最终还是输了比赛。 Bill: Yeah, so I would say that was probably the unhappiest, like at least finals level team that we've had in the last 20 years. 所以我会说那可能是过去20年来最不快乐的，但至少打进总冠军赛的球队 备注 Into the showers of Detroit 记者的记忆也太好XD --

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