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原文连结:https://tinyurl.com/y75ffp5j 原文及简易翻译内容: The NBA and National Basketball Players Association are struggling to reach an agreement on lowering the age limit to 18, differing on the league's desire to attach two conditions to ending the one-and-done NBA draft era, league sources told ESPN. 联盟正与球员工会商讨是否将选秀年龄降低至18岁,不过仍未达成共识。 且联盟希望一举透过修改两个规则来终结大学过水一年(O&D)的选秀世代。 Commissioner Adam Silver is pressing NBPA executive director Michele Roberts to require that player agents furnish all teams with medical information on prospective draft prospects, league sources said. The league also wants to mandate players attendance and some level of participation in the pre-draft combine, sources said. Silver对球员工会执行董事Michael Roberts施压, 要求待选新秀的经纪人能提供「全部球队」该新秀的医疗资讯。 联盟也想要求待选新秀能出席,并参与一定程度的选前试训。 The NBA still hopes to reach an agreement with the NBPA and allow graduating high school seniors to enter the league starting with the 2022 draft. 联盟依然希望与工会达成协议,允许高中毕业生能参加2022年选秀会 The league and union must collectively bargain any changes to a CBA that was ratified in 2016. "We're investing millions of dollars into players who we'll now have even less information about coming out of high school, and we should have the right to have all the information available on who we are selecting," one general manager told ESPN. 一个GM告诉ESPN,他们正投资了几百万,在这些资讯很少,但即将从高中毕业的新秀 所以我们必须拥有获取这些所选择的新秀资讯的权利。 The union has felt significant pressure from the agent community to resist the NBA's push on ceding control of medical information, sources said. While the NBPA has long advocated the lowering of the age limit to 18, so far the union has shown no inclination to surrender on these issues without minimally a give-back elsewhere from the NBA. 球员工会拒绝NBA提出的健检报告要求。 但工会长久以来都有在提倡,将选秀年龄限制降低至18岁, 不过目前工会没有妥协的迹象,除非联盟给予一定程度的退让。 Agents have long used the leverage of withholding medical information from teams to try and steer players to preferred draft destinations. While it's a strategy that doesn't always render the desired results on draft night, the absence of that medical data creates greater uncertainty and risk for front offices tasked with making personnel decisions on young players. NBA general managers have pushed the league office to legislate the sharing of medical information with all teams, especially with the anticipation of younger players forcing organizations to make draft evaluations on teenagers. Because ultimately teams can draft whomever they want, and first-round picks can be under contractual control for six seasons prior to free agency, medical information is a freedom that agents consider necessary to keeping some influence on their client's early career. 这段懒得翻,大意是经纪人长期以来一直透过医疗资讯做操作 所以GM希望经纪人能提供所有球队透明的体检报告。 "Some organizations are run better than others," one prominent agent told ESPN. "A lot of success comes from a player getting into the right situation at the right time. If I can do something that influences that, why would I give that up?" 「有些球队确实经营得比其他球队好。」一位知名经纪人说: 「很多球员的成功其实是因为在对的时间,处在对的环境。 如果我能有东西(体检报告)影响这件事(球队环境),那我为何要放弃?」 "I understand why the league wants this. I get that it's not fair across the board to teams, but I don't work for the teams. I work for the players. When it's all said and done, and my player doesn't have as good of a career as he could've had, because, in part, of the coaching, the environment, the kinds of teammates that surrounded him, will the NBA put a contribution together to help him? No, they're moving on. I'm not trying to embarrass any teams, but I'm going to do everything I can to give my players every chance for success." While there are still instances of agents pushing for players to land in major markets on draft night, the ability for top talent to land significant exposure and endorsements in smaller markets has made many representatives prioritize their players landing in stable, well-run franchises over geographic destinations. Out of the 65 players invited to the draft combine in 2018, 11 declined to submit to the league-wide physical that's ultimately distributed to interested teams. Agents are allowed to select particular organizations to examine their players, or they can provide those teams whatever medical information that they chose to share. 2018选秀试训被邀请的65个球员中,有11位拒绝提供给联盟健检报告, 最终影响了球队的兴趣。 (最明显的就MPJ了,拖到最後一刻才肯给报告)。 The NBA isn't necessarily pushing for every team to have direct access to independently examine a player, they do want a mechanism where teams can minimally get pool doctor reports shared among several organizations, league sources said. 联盟不一定会要求每支球队都有直接获取球员体检报告的机会(独立健检) 而是希望能有个机制,让所有球队能最小化接受到烂医生体健报告的风险。 "We aren't looking for a team at the end of the first round to have direct access to a lottery pick," one league official said. The NBA negotiated the high school players out of the draft in the 2005 collective bargaining agreement. Under Silver, the NBA has changed course on its thinking considering early entry. The NBA prefers to wait until 2022 to make sure that teams have time to properly plan on several levels, including the trading and acquisition of future picks. 前半段讲古,懒得翻。 NBA倾向等到2022年才改制,来确保球队有足够的时间来准备各种等级球员的计画。 包含交易和选秀权的获得。 Phoenix traded the rights to Miami's unprotected 2021 first-round pick to Philadelphia in June, and the moving of that valued pick played some part in pushing back the proposed rule change to 2022, league sources said. Those teams made decisions without the benefit of knowing the timetable on a c hange in the age limit. The first crop of high school seniors will be deeper in talent than those that come immediately before and after it. 太阳今年於选秀会上交易2021年热火首轮给七六人, 这件事情某种程度延後了规则的制定(补充:原先联盟是计画21年修改,後来改成22年) The NBA is also tying 2022 to a class of current American high school freshmen who'll have access to USA Basketball's Junior National program as a part of a broader initiative to develop and educate top prospects on their pathway to the pros. The NBA tried to negotiate the medical information mandates and combine participation into past CBAs, but were unsuccessful. The union is rejecting the NBA's premise that an agreement on lowering the age limit should be attached to these mandates, and it found the NBA showed no interest in bargaining those issues against the elimination of team-friendly rules like restricted free agency or the moratorium signing period in July, sources said. 联盟在过去的劳资协议中,试图与工会协商医疗资讯+要求参加试训,但没成功 工会希望把降低年龄规则也加进去,但联盟比较在意RFA、冻结期等规则的修改。 Privately, the NBA and NBPA say there's far more room to negotiate on attendance and participation at the draft combine. For example, the league isn't seeking a hardline where potential lottery picks must participate in 5-on-5 games, but it would like to find ways for everyone to take part in interview sessions with front offices, measurements, athletic testing and media availabilities, sources said. Talks have been ongoing and are expected to continue soon, league sources said. For now, there remains a final hurdle to the formal ending of the one-and-done era. NBA与工会的协商已经展开,而且预期很快就会继续开始会谈 --
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1F:推 ClutchShot : NCAA丑闻+现在NBDL发展起来 顶级高中生直接放一军10/21 00:15
2F:→ ClutchShot : 非顶级的可以下放练功兼卖票 甚至高中落选秀也可10/21 00:15
3F:→ ClutchShot : 以签个2-way合约捡珍珠 10/21 00:15
4F:→ f22313467 : 允许高中生 NCAA就G了 10/21 00:17
5F:→ f22313467 : 但NBA也要先搞好农场系统吧 10/21 00:17
6F:推 Johseagull : 所以不透明体检报告都是为了操作吗 有没有其他正当 10/21 00:25
7F:→ Johseagull : 理由啊?10/21 00:25
本来就没有强制规定待选新秀一定要公布健检报告,所以不公布也没什麽正当不正当
8F:推 jeff09122 : 为了大小姆斯更早连线的条款10/21 00:34
9F:→ benson1212 : 有点看不懂 所以允许高中生这个是哪边反对?10/21 00:44
两边对降低年龄限制(19->18)基本上都不反对。 但联盟希望在谈判上加上两个条件(体检报告+试训参与),工会则拒绝
10F:→ tyrone0923 : 开放高中生才正常,凭什麽剥夺高中毕业生的工作权 10/21 00:44
※ 编辑: Zutter77 (111.185.94.182), 10/21/2018 00:50:23
11F:→ ericmelo : 其实联盟可以参考mlb如何操作的 个人就觉得mlb农场` 10/21 00:57
12F:→ ericmelo : 的还不错 以我的认知来说 10/21 00:57
13F:推 ChenWay : 大学过水一年主要是因为当初选到太多水货状元 10/21 00:57
14F:→ ChenWay : 看看那个奶油手Brown 10/21 00:57
15F:→ BadGame : 就经纪人因素啊 他要赚钱 球团希望至少不是用赌的 10/21 01:00
16F:推 akakbest : 有NBDL培养 应该不会低级联盟就有那麽多经纪人乱搞 10/21 01:05
17F:推 yeustream : A.Bennett证明了大学过水一年,球队仍会选到水货状元 10/21 01:22
18F:推 jjjohnny1282: chenway在说三小 高中生状元也才几个 水货比例超低 10/21 01:25
19F:→ jjjohnny1282: 大学水货状元绝对比较多 10/21 01:25
20F:推 popoliii : 希望球员成熟一点吗? 10/21 01:35
21F:→ popoliii : 哈哈 如果全部大学四年毕业再来选秀 10/21 01:35
22F:→ popoliii : 每个球员是圆是扁都知道了 风险最低 10/21 01:35
23F:推 deanisme : 觉得体检透明化满合理的 而且站在球迷的立场 也不 10/21 01:36
24F:→ deanisme : 希望看到一堆名不符实或不能打的 10/21 01:36
25F:推 popoliii : 不知道有没有包含心理精神的报告 那好像涉及隐私权 10/21 01:39
26F:推 b08297 : 19岁打职业新秀约走完还没满25还有潜力,大学毕业才 10/21 07:35
27F:→ b08297 : 能签那新秀约走完都2526没潜力了先发板凳一翻两瞪 10/21 07:35
28F:→ b08297 : 眼对新秀很吃亏 10/21 07:35
29F:推 ThreeNG : 体检能争论的就是,球队是要求事前得知所有想投入 10/21 08:53
30F:→ ThreeNG : 选秀球员的报告,而非已经确定或极有可能加入的 10/21 08:53
31F:→ ThreeNG : 这可以扩展到劳资权力不对等的问题 10/21 08:54
32F:→ ThreeNG : 就如同经纪人所说,这是他们(球员+经纪人)的竞争 10/21 08:55
33F:→ ThreeNG : 筹码 10/21 08:55
34F:推 dalipkid : 支持 10/21 19:56







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