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If I may, since I can't go straight to bed right after taking my meds. (having quite a nasty cold) ※ 引述《Nevolia (Nevolia)》之铭言: : Thank you all for your replies to my thread. I really appreciate^_^ ^^^^^^ ^ question it "thread" in this case refers to 讨论串。 : I've tried googling but I still feel confused. : Maybe I put the wrong keywords. ^^^ ^^^^^^^^ used seach words "put" is not entirely the right choice of word. : Like I just said, "sometimes" tense involves not only refering time, : but also having connotations, say how politely you ask people or : just ask without any emotion. [sometiems tense not only concerns with the time of the action or state expressed by the verb, but also is associated with the connotation of a particular verbal/written expression] You are confusing tense (in the grammatical sense) with common usage. Further, tense by itself does not "have" any connotation. You need to understand the word before you use it. Otherwise, it'd be like my classmate saying "slaveray is symptomatic of modernity." : This is why I brought this question up. : Of course I know the importance of context, but in some cases (like explame 3) : there are no context. I suppose there is some logic in a native speaker's : mind when he/she choose to say that way or this way. My memory doesn't serve me. Don't remember what ex. 3 was about. Nevertheless, you are right to say that there is some logical explantion behind a native speaker's choice of words (whether that logical explantion would be satisfactory is another question). Language to an extent determines thought, and vice versa. What this implies is that, you shouldn't learn a language solely by studying the rules of that language. Rather, you also need to think in that language, getting into the mind's eye of the native speaker. : For example, you can easily tell from this post that I'm not a native speaker. : Maybe I'm wrong, just wondering/wonder/wondered..:P in this case, you would use "wondering". : Your comments are very enlightening, but I still have a blurred pircture ^^^^^^^ blurry : You know it because you just know it? Beats me. What do you think? Do you think you know what "吃过饭没?" means simply because you just know it? Hint: the expression "吃过饭没" can be interpretated in two ways. -- 每天都在被四面八方汹涌而至的资讯砸得七荤八素之中 维持清醒理性和思惟清晰。 --



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1F:推 chengyun:To me, grammar is simply a tool to facilitate the use 01/19 16:08
2F:→ chengyun:of a language, but in the case of non-native speakers 01/19 16:09
3F:→ chengyun:it is somehow tragic to see how the emphasis of 01/19 16:10
4F:→ chengyun: oops, emphasis on 01/19 16:12
5F:→ chengyun:grammar has limited the flexibility of their language 01/19 16:14
6F:→ chengyun:use~~extensive reading is still the key to getting a 01/19 16:15
7F:→ chengyun:grip on a language~~ 01/19 16:18
8F:推 finavir:I would add social/cultural interaction, listening and 01/19 23:30
9F:→ finavir:speaking. We don't acquire our mother tongue by 01/19 23:31
10F:→ finavir:studying grammar. We acquired it through interacting with 01/19 23:32
11F:→ finavir:people around us who speak the same language. While 01/19 23:33
12F:→ finavir:extensive reading plays an important role in language 01/19 23:33
13F:→ finavir:learning, bookish English isn't always pleasant to the 01/19 23:36
14F:→ finavir:ears. 01/19 23:37
※ 编辑: finavir 来自: 74.98.239.53 (01/19 23:39)
15F:→ finavir:note that I distinguish between language acquisition 01/19 23:40
16F:→ finavir:and language learning. It's possible for speakers of 01/19 23:41
17F:→ finavir:ESL/EFL to acquire English rathern than learning the 01/19 23:42
18F:→ finavir:language. 01/19 23:43
19F:推 chengyun:I agree with you on the acquisition of languages 01/20 00:04
20F:→ chengyun:through interaction, but you have to admit that in 01/20 00:04
21F:→ chengyun:the case of translation, where the market is largely 01/20 00:05
22F:→ chengyun:focused on paper and pamphlet translation, bookish 01/20 00:05
23F:→ chengyun:English is a relatively more expendable asset than 01/20 00:06
24F:→ chengyun:just good spoken English~~ 01/20 00:08
25F:推 finavir:bookish English指的是讲话就跟在背书一样。就算是书面文 01/20 01:08
26F:→ finavir:字翻译,在spoken方面应该也要有一定的程度。英文毕竟不是 01/20 01:13
27F:→ finavir:拉丁文,而是一直在演变。听说读写是相辅相成,不应该只 01/20 01:17
28F:→ finavir:注重其一而忽略其他。任何语言都是一样﹝除了死掉的之外 01/20 01:19
29F:→ finavir:,其他比较复杂的情况这里就不提了﹞ 01/20 01:22
30F:→ finavir:然後若是觉得我说的没头没尾,先说声不好意思,我现在 01/20 01:23
31F:→ finavir:重感冒,很难过。 01/20 01:24







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