https://youtu.be/C3E8epJv-gc?t=106 波兰英语新闻 提到 乌克兰议长访波就"道歉" 没错 你可以听到 波兰新闻中用的是道歉 我听到很震惊 所以我标题一度使用道歉 马上去查 这消息很新 基本没什麽新闻 查到的新闻大概如下 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/25/ukraine-poland-volhynia-massacre-reconciliation/cded7d9c-fafe-11ed-bafc-bf50205661da_story.html Ukraine offers reconciliation to ally Poland over World War II-era massacre WARSAW, Poland — The chairman of Ukraine’s parliament on Thursday offered words of reconciliation over World War II-era mass murders that have strained relations with its neighbor and strategic ally Poland for 80 years. Are you on Telegram? Subscribe to our channel for the latest updates on Russia ’s war in Ukraine. “Human life has equal value, regardless of nationality, race, sex or religion,” Ruslan Stefanchuk told Polish lawmakers. “With this awareness we will cooperate with you, dear Polish friends, and we will accept the truth regardless of how uncompromising it may be.” Stefanchuk’s words sounded a new tone and were in contrast to the recent angry reaction of Ukraine's ambassador to Polish expectations of an apology. Poland this year is marking the 80th anniversary of the 1943-44 massacre of some 100,000 Poles by Ukrainian nationalists and others in Volhynia and other regions that were then in eastern Poland, under Nazi German occupation, and which are now part of Ukraine. Entire villages were burned down and all their inhabitants killed by the nationalists and their helpers seeking to establish an independent Ukraine state. Poland calls the events a genocide. An estimated 15,000 Ukrainians died in retaliation. Stefanchuk was speaking in Poland’s parliament during a visit to Warsaw. Poland has been offering military and humanitarian support to Ukraine in its war with Russia. Stefanchuk thanked Poland for the current support, and then offered sympathy to the families of the Poles slain in what is known as the Volhynia massacre. He also offered a joint effort to identify and honor all the victims buried in Ukraine. Poland has long been seeking Kyiv’s permission for exhumations, identification and commemoration of the Polish victims. However, some of the Ukrainian nationalist leaders of the time are regarded as key figures for Ukraine’s statehood, lending a different perspective there to the events. Stefanchuk thanked the families of the victims for cultivating a memory which “does not call for revenge or hatred, but which serves as a warning that nothing like that can ever happen between our nations again.” He said that identification and honoring of the victims “without bans or barriers” is “our joint moral and Christian obligation.” He said that an open, joint approach to the painful history would be an “ exceptionally necessary test” that could pave the way for the words “we forgive and ask for forgiveness.” Those words, offered by Poland’s Catholic bishops to Germany’s bishops in the 1960s, laid the foundations for Poland’ s reconciliation with its World War II aggressor, Germany. Polish Foreign Minister Zbigniew Rau described Stefanchuk’s speech as “very good,” saying that “we have heard what we wanted to hear.” “We are on the right path and this speech shows that our positions are getting closer again. We have something to build on,” Rau said. Poland’s leaders have insisted that bringing the full truth into the open will strengthen bilateral relations with Ukraine and neutralize vulnerabilities that could be exploited by third countries seeking to undermine these ties. -- 乌克兰议长访波兰议会 就关於沃里尼亚事件寻求谅解 这与前面乌克兰大使的态度形成鲜明对比 --- 其中使用了谅解 合解一词 配合後面一篇来看大使的态度来看 与描述的现况比较合 目前乌克兰国内尚非完全共识 案但是突破 所以我後来改用寻求谅解一词 不过就不知道 後面凶手 Stepan Bandera 要怎麽定义了 毕竟波兰每年也都抗议 而且乌克兰每年都对抗议不爽 下面一篇 大概是波兰"建议"泽伦斯基就沃里尼西亚事情道歉 乌克兰大使大怒 https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/20/7403071/ Ukrainian ambassador outraged as Polish Foreign Ministry advises Zelenskyy to "apologise for Volyn" Vasyl Zvarych, Ukraine’s ambassador to Poland, has called attempts to dictate to Ukraine and President Volodymyr Zelenskyy concerning how they should relate to the Volyn tragedy of 1943 "unacceptable". Source: Zvarych on Facebook, quoted by European Pravda. Details: Zvarych referred to an interview that kasz Jasina, spokesman for the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, gave to the portal Onet, in which he said that the president of Ukraine "lacks understanding" of how important the topic of Volyn is for Poles. According to Jasina, there is a lack of dialogue at the presidential level on the problematic relations between Ukraine and Poland. "President Zelenskyy should accept more accountability as Ukraine… [should] apologise and ask for forgiveness, please. This formula works very well in the case of Polish-Ukrainian relations, and it is still lacking," he said. "We Poles have accepted accountability as a Polish state for the crimes committed by our state against Ukrainians. Ukraine has not taken on enough of such accountability, although much has changed for the better," the Polish foreign ministry spokesman added. In response, the Ukrainian ambassador to Warsaw said that any attempts to dictate to Ukraine’s president or to Ukraine concerning what we should do with respect to our common past are "unacceptable and unfortunate". "We remember history, we are ready for dialogue and mutual understanding, and at the same time we call for respect and balance in statements, especially given the complex reality of the genocidal Russian aggression against the Ukrainian people," Zvarych stressed. The diplomat also recalled the "formula for true reconciliation in Ukrainian-Polish relations": "we forgive and ask for forgiveness", which involves acknowledging mistakes on both sides. Background: One of the most painful issues in the shared history of Poland and Ukraine remains the interpretation of the tragic events that took place in Volyn during the Second World War, when Ukrainian Insurgent Army units committed mass murders of Poles, now regarded as a genocide in Poland. 目前的情况其实大家要关注7-11沃里西亚惨案纪念日当天 乌克兰的态度 -- ▁▁ ▕民进▏ 注意此ID已被国防布认证中共同路人 ▕堂章▏ ㄟ(￣▽￣)ㄟ ￣￣ 月巴m谍就在你身边 --

※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc), 来自: 61.227.162.64 (台湾) ※ 文章网址: https://webptt.com/cn.aspx?n=bbs/historia/M.1685095724.A.B57.html 这样说吧 乌西其实是乌克兰从波兰手中抢过来的 这也是後来俄乌矛盾的重点 俄罗斯文化和波兰文化 波兰和中国 因为战争 逐渐解决了一些历史遗留问题 利沃夫 还有纳粹博物馆 神奇吧 而且最神奇的是 以色列驻基辅大使推特发文抗议纪念班德拉活动(非正式抗议) 然後以色列驻基辅使馆就被围了 XDDDD ※ 编辑: A6 (101.9.119.139 台湾), 05/27/2023 02:26:22 不好意思 我晚点写摘要 因为听到那个消息太震惊了 我就直接先去找新闻了 ※ 编辑: A6 (101.9.242.197 台湾), 05/27/2023 11:08:28 ※ 编辑: A6 (101.9.242.197 台湾), 05/27/2023 20:56:34 虾 带啥风向??? 和西方盟国有矛盾?? 不是吧 我说的是波兰乌克兰在沃伦(沃里尼亚)矛盾 怎麽会被你凹成和西方盟国矛盾??? 况且我写的还是和解化解矛盾 这个波兰几乎年年都有要求乌克兰道歉 年年被拒绝 只不过台湾人不太关心而已 而且我记得我战前或者开战初期就已经有在其他版说过了 当时用的应该是沃伦 因为我刚好扫到有人做波兰影片 沃伦(2016)影评 大受震撼 才去研究波兰的这些事情的 2022.7.2 就算战後挺乌克兰 波兰和以色列还抗议过Stepan Bandera Ukraine's envoy to Germany irks Israeli, Polish governments 你乾脆说波兰和以色列带乌克兰和盟国有矛盾的风向好了 https://p.dw.com/p/4DYFs 以色列驻基辅大使推文 https://imgur.com/iJaT1hr DW对 Stepan Bandera 的介绍 德国就算支持乌克兰 也不会盲目说班德拉没有问题 https://p.dw.com/p/4BU7E 我写历史事件还要照你的意思 不准提罗 ※ 编辑: A6 (101.9.242.197 台湾), 05/27/2023 23:14:45 蛤?? 我真的觉得你阅读理解有问题 我已经讲过 这个是在波兰拍 <Wolyn>後去研究的 怎麽会被你说成是 在波兰援助乌克兰之後研究??? 而且进一步说 我就算开战後研究 也没有问题啊 有说开战後 历史问题就不是问题了? 那请问以色列和波兰在抗议什麽啦 ※ 编辑: A6 (61.227.188.225 台湾), 05/28/2023 15:40:18 你说的怎麽会没错 我之前就在看了 和你说的开战後再看 完全不一样 而且你说我要研究对乌克兰不利的东西就很好笑 为什麽我不是研究对 波兰 有利的东西??? 我为什麽不能是想搞清各国历史兴趣 都去看??? 我德国史也看西班牙史越南史也看 你非要用个阴谋论?? https://imgur.com/cW4d5PC https://imgur.com/hpj5KqO https://imgur.com/c54siRH https://imgur.com/oVGsjo9 请问我看这几本又是想对谁不利啦? 而且和你说的刚好反过来 我开战後 反而想去了解的是俄罗斯 而不是乌克兰 https://imgur.com/gfzBDPJ 你要说俄罗斯独裁 专制 和民族性的被害妄想都没问题 有那麽多东西 非要去说俄罗斯也是纳粹 就很好笑 Stepan Bandera 是纳粹这点毫无争议 非要说 因为他说乌是纳粹 我也要说他是纳粹 小孩子吵架嘛 另外 我之前还再找芬兰的 台湾的资源太少 而且我想找Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim(曼那海姆)自传 找不到 如果有哪位版友知道哪边可以借到的话或者芬兰史 可以私信跟我说 感谢 ※ 编辑: A6 (101.9.243.209 台湾), 05/29/2023 08:07:17 1 4/29 A6 R: [请益] 波兰有立场主张「西方盟国的背叛」吗 2 2/01 A6 □ [书单] 谁是外来者：在德国、台湾之间，独立记… 笑死 我好像也没不发吧 只是没发你想看得而已 我想po哪个国家还 写哪本书 还是回哪文还要你管??? 我就刚好听到的 顺道发 就看到了知道顺道回 你觉得我没发你想看的国家价值 你就你发文嘛 大家价值有冲突很大的话 自然会回你 ※ 编辑: A6 (61.227.188.225 台湾), 05/29/2023 12:32:51 你想不想读干我屁事 但你造谣说我没写其他国家带风向 那就是我的事情了 我也不要你去读 我只告诉你 我写过 不是你口中暗示的不写其他国家 ※ 编辑: A6 (101.9.54.153 台湾), 05/30/2023 01:56:36 你好 千万别台头 因为 就在上面 喔那低头好了 我帮你贴下面 → hgt: 那就请也PO一些关於其他国家的文章，这样就不会有带风向的感 05/29 08:50 → hgt: 觉了阿!! 05/29 08:51 你说我po一些其他国家 就不是带风向 又说我带风向敢觉 请问一下 我po过其他国家 你怎麽还能说出我有带风向的敢觉??? 不就是暗示说我没po其他国家 我现在就告诉你我就po过 真神奇 自己刚讲过的话 马上就忘记 敢说不敢承认 又在那边说 我要你看指定文章 就很好笑 谁是要你看阿! 我告诉你我po过而已 爱看不看 但造谣我没po其他国家是带风向齁 逻辑要清楚一点 ㄎㄎ BTW你对中俄有兴趣 你自己去po阿 还有人家不叫白俄罗斯 特别说过自己叫白罗斯 习惯了 这位算好的 他只是记性不好而已 至少还愿意稍微演一下 ※ 编辑: A6 (101.9.243.169 台湾), 05/31/2023 02:37:54 → hgt: 原来"多PO些其他国家文章"可以解读成我造谣你不写其他国家文 05/31 08:56 请问你这个多字是哪里来的 现掰喔 记错别人推文就算了 现在连自己的推文推过什麽自己都不记得喔 → hgt: 那就请也PO一些关於其他国家的文章，这样就不会有带风向的感 05/29 08:50 → hgt: 觉了阿!! 05/29 08:51 请问你推文有多这个字???? 蛤~蛤~ 我眼睛业障还没那麽重 敢说不敢认喔 自己还要偷加字 ※ 编辑: A6 (61.227.166.251 台湾), 05/31/2023 12:09:52 这叫"语病"?? 笑死 → hgt: 原来"多PO些其他国家文章"可以解读成我造谣你不写其他国家文 05/31 08:56 自己引用自己的推文 还偷加字 叫我抓语病?? 这叫虚假引用好吗 我只能说这种行为 丢脸 ※ 编辑: A6 (61.227.172.185 台湾), 06/02/2023 15:43:34