作者azurviolet ()
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标题Re: [问题] 问一句在书上看到的话
时间Thu Sep 3 07:44:50 2015
※ 引述《DarkHolbach (晨光荣耀(Morning Glory))》之铭言:
: A nothing will serve just as well as a something about which nothing could be
: said.
: 这句话好像是维根斯坦讲的,我有点不清楚他想要表达甚麽,有人可以解释一下吗?
: 感谢。
这句话出自於PI的304,我先把这段打在下面(手边的是2009版,翻译有点不一样):
-But you will surely admit that there is a difference between pain-behaviour
with pain and pain-behaviour without pain.
-Admit it? What greater difference could there be?
-And yet you again and again reach the conclusion that the sensation itself
is a Nothing.
-Not at all. It's not a Something, but not a Nothing either! The conclusion
was only that a Nothing would render the same service as a Something about
which nothing could be said. We've only rejected the grammar which tends
to force itself on us here.
Wittgenstein在这里谈的是有关sensation (特别关於pain)主题。虽然有关於主观的
sensation和private experience我们都不能用语言谈(大致上,在PI里Wittgenstein
主张语言的意义在於使用,而使用pain的时候,我们要能指涉到一个可以被社群所观
察到的对象;例如:「桌子」之於放在客厅的桌子。但pain并没有办法被此种方式所
指涉,因此我们无法使用语言谈pain),但这不代表sensation is a Nothing.
我们目前所拥有的宣称是:我们不能谈sensation。(nothing could be said)
而虽然我们可以说sensation is not a Something (which you can refer to),但是
如果我们说It is a Nothing (because nothing could be said),那在这里就跟说
it is a Something (something that nothing could be said)一样。所以
Wittgenstein在304特别说了:It is not a Something, but not a Nothing either!
我的观察啦。
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1F:推 DarkHolbach: 感谢你的回应,我会花一点时间去消化的 09/03 20:03