realove: 在你继续之前，我得先插个嘴说， 我不觉得问题在於「品性」跟「情境」的冲突 也不在於「受试者是否多数都是有品性的」这一问题 (而你的论证也是有问题的。) 根本的问题在於：what is the status of "nature"? a. if nature is understood in the "modern natural science" kind of way, then nature has a lower status, it's "meaningless," "full of chance" and so on. this further implies that if there still exists anything that could be called "morality," it must be conceived as "autonomous," i.e. in contradistinction and even in opposition to nature. since the problem can only be solved in this way, then it becomes quite evident that the modern experiments you mentioned in your first post are just the "physiological" counterparts of Freud's vaguely-optimistic but in fact totally pessimistic psychoanalysis. the only morality I perceive that would be convincing enough out of this way of thinking would be Christian morality (and not any sort of virtue ethics) - humble and awe, love and repentance kind of things - since you're never sure of things, I see that this would be the only reasonable consequence. b. if nature is understood in whatever way "teleological" (I mean, of course the Greek way), then nature has a higher dignity, and all the other beings must be judged by the end of nature, or, to be precise, by the respective ends of the nature of naturally classified beings. then, morality is conceived under this framework as "convention" or "unnatural" but at the same time compatible with nature. this compatibility indicates that the natural end of "morality" is judged under the light of the end of human nature (or, if you like, the end of the nature of human beings operating behind conventions). how the modern experimental methods and conclusions could be incorporated into this understanding would be a most interesting problem to tackle with. up to now I haven't seen any promising possibilities, not even a dim light of it. -- "I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure." --

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