Peter McLaren: Yes, that would be a very fair description. I am not alone,clearly, in this struggle. There are others within universities who work internationally toward the same goal. But it is also fair to say that in the United States there are very few of us in the field of education and the future in this regard looks irrepressibly bleak. Well, let me put it thisway. To their ongoing credit, there are those who are quite capable of engaging in a rigorous analysis of mounting sophisticated and nuanced attacks on the scoundrels and hypocrites of the Bush administration, the gangster capitalists and political opportunists, the feckless cabal of Christian-right "profamily activists" who exercise their racism by warning about the coming "demographic winter" facing the United States unless the white population produce enough babies to achieve "replacement-level fertility," and on the evangelical economic zealots who call out for a renewed assault on the poor through neoliberal economic, political, and social directives and principles. But these critics of the wretched havoc wrought by neoliberalism do not at the same time identify an alternative-at least one that is couched beyond very safe and I would say largely empty liberal pluralist principles. Untilabout the mid-1990s, I found myself in the same dilemma. For me, the struggle was focused on democratizing the public sphere. But since that time I have been a staunch advocate of education as a means to further socialism, that is, to bring about a world outside capital's valorization process or, put another way, outside labor's value form. I have described capitalism and democracy as two thieves planning a joint robbery and simultaneously attempting to steal the spoils from each other. Peter Mclaren:是的，这个描述没有错。在这场斗争中显然我并非单打独斗，在其他大学 里有其他人在国际上努力朝 同一个目标前进。但事实上在美国的教育界中我们的确是少数，这一点在未来也很难有改 变。 嗯，我换个方式说吧，一些土匪似的资本主义者以及投机政客，为了让他们的贷款制度能 不断发展下去，连合主张『家庭优先主义』的基督教右派人士，他们为了实现种族主义这 个不中用的阴谋而警告美国将会面临『人口减少』问题，要是白种人婴儿的出生率达不到 淘汰等级的繁殖力，然而这群人有能力对蛮横伪善的布希政府和坚持党派观念的狂热福音 派人士透过新民主主义的政、经、社会方针原则，重新发动对穷人的攻击做严谨的分析并 发出完善有意义的抨击。 不过这些评论家，在批评新民主主义卑劣精致的手段所造成的大混乱之时并没有同时提出 替代方案，至少提出一个相对之下保险一点的论述，总而言之我将会指出自由派提出多元 论国家学说的人空洞的资本。大约到90年代中期，我发现自己面临同样的难题。对我来说 ，斗争针对的是官场体系的民主化。但自那时开始我就坚决的主张以教育的方式，再推动 社会主义，要实现一个在资本主导下的稳定物价措施以及劳工价格体制之外的社会。我会 将资本主义和民主形容成两个盘算着互相抢劫同时企图对方窃取赃物的贼。 P.S.之前要请教时没看版规而遭版主大刀删除，无奈只好再发一次，原本是想藏拙的， 而且实在是能力有限，写不顺畅，又怕误解原文，厚着脸皮按照版规附上自己的。 请众家高手指点，并学习，谢谢。 後面两段觉得写很烂也不确定正不正确，请指教，谢谢， 至於原文本来就是那样，因为有人说要分段，我就大致上把没把握的分出两段。 --

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