作者SkyPlus (Sky)
看板Soft_Job
标题Re: [讨论] Online coding test，禁不禁止查资料？
时间Sun Aug 4 15:35:35 2019
※ 引述《neo5277 (I am an agent of chaos)》之铭言：
: 真的很讨厌考试....
: 你说今天如果是刚毕业去考试
: 那或许情有可原，很多时候是你转职也是一堆考试。
: 那我写履历要做什麽? 最常碰到履历上写了用过的技术跟架构还有处理的问题。
: 有时候还附上专案的档案。
: 然後不例外就是考试，然後面试时候问也没问。
刚好在 Hacker news 看到这篇, 建议新创公司要怎样找人:
Why Developers Hate Coding Skills Tests
(And What Hiring Managers Can Do To Change That)
https://hackernoon.com/why-developers-hate-coding-skills-8m6u3za1
In 10 years of working with high growth technology start-ups,
I’ve never come across a company that’s too good at hiring
software developers. Everybody struggles with finding great
software engineers.
他在近10年都没看到擅长找软体工程师的公司
问一些创办人对於考程式的看法:
Would you hire a magician without asking them to show you some
magic tricks? Of course not.
你要找软体工程师，当然要看他们写程式的能力
it's clear that developers are looking at it from an
(understandably) selfish perspective. ‘I'm a good developer,
why do I need to prove this to somebody I don't even know?'"
“I feel like I’ve built products and have a professional
network that should preclude me from needing to do that.”
软体工程师只是觉得自己很厉害，所以讨厌再用考试证明自己
底下他有整理一些 coding interview 被讨厌的原因
* Most coding assessments test only algorithmic skills
建议作法: 考 unit test 与 framework 使用
look for coding assessments based on unit tests—developers
write unit tests on a daily basis. Also look for assessments
that use language specific frameworks
* Coding skills tests are time consuming
建议作法: 第一场不超过30分钟，最後的面试也不要超过2小时
* Coding tests don’t reflect the real world programming experience
建议作法: 问工作上会遇到的问题
* Coding assessments take developers out of their comfort zone
建议作法: 让面试者自己决定环境
* Senior developers shouldn’t need to prove themselves
建议作法: 和上面类似，问工作相关的问题，不要天马行空乱问
Make sure that whatever you are asking of senior developers to
do, it’s actually providing some insight on how they’d
contribute on-the-job—don’t make them jump through hoops
* Automated scoring of code can lead to false rejections
这个在台湾好像比较少看到, 他建议不要只看结果，要自己人工分析
for the sake of jumping through hoops!
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1F：推 NDark: wp.me/pBAPd-xI 08/04 16:12
2F：推 maxqq: 有考试反而更好表现自己，说实话，但标题是『查资料』 08/04 18:27
3F：推 shter: 不考试也有很多作法，比如 github 给主管过滤 08/04 22:16
4F：→ shter: 看看写 code 的风格、演算法、擅长的处理方式 08/04 22:17
5F：→ shter: 找出自己想要的人不难，只是主管懒会觉得考试比较简单 08/04 22:17
6F：推 j0958322080: 一个履历投出去会看的主管根本没几个，还在那边靠腰 08/04 23:16
7F：→ j0958322080: 说自己很忙要体谅，结果根本就不体谅面试者 08/04 23:16
8F：推 marc47: 主要是学一套语言很快，但是要熟悉一套系统却很慢，因此无 08/11 09:47
9F：→ marc47: 法找到真正熟整套系统或对系统程式有经验的员工 08/11 09:47