作者WillWaiting (Creep)
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标题Fw: [分享] 转速-MLB投手的新标准 (二)
时间Sun Apr 3 15:01:13 2016
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作者: WillWaiting (Creep) 看板: Baseball
标题: [分享] 转速-MLB投手的新标准 (二)
时间: Sun Apr 3 14:38:29 2016
http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/spin-rate-the-new-standard-for-mlb-pitchers
http://i.imgur.com/EfLGPlf.gifv
Here's a chart put together by Sports Illustrated's Tom Verducci than
correlates breaking ball RPM's with pitcher success:
以下是SI的Tom Verducii对变化球转速跟数据的表
SPIN RATE AVG SLG Swing Strike %
Low (< 2,300 RPM) .244 .403 8%
Average (2,300-2,500 RPM) .185 .340 10%
High (2,500 - 2,700 RPM) .178 .251 12%
Very High (> 2,700 RPM) .166 .212 15%
It speaks for itself.
这说明了一切
Fastball's are another story, because having a low RPM on the pitch isn't
necessarily a bad thing. Less rotation = more sink. The average major league
fastball has an RPM between 2,000 and 2,200.
速球是另一回事,因为低转速不一定是坏事,转速少=越沉.MLB投手平均速球转速在
2000到2200转之间
That's not where you want to be. That's meat for major league hitters.
在这之间不是好事,对大联盟打者来说跟肉包球一样
You want to be on one end of the spectrum or the other. Astros' ace Dallas
Keuchel is a ground ball inducing machine. 64.88% of balls put in play
against him are ground balls, despite the fact his average fastball is around
90 MPH. So why is he having so much success getting hitters to put the ball
on the ground and make weak contact?
你想在这谱中的某一个尖端或是另一个, 太色人的Keuchel是滚滚人, 64.88%的滚率,
仅管他球速只有90mph,但他为什麽成为这麽成功的滚球投手
https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3685200/keuchel_video.0.mp4
His spin rate on the pitch is an absurd average of 1,600 RPM.
他的转速只有太狂的1600转
Let's take a look at the other side. Many hitters use the phrase "the ball
seems to jump on you." That's an indication of high spin rate. While the ball
isn't actually rising, it's staying on the same plane for a much longer
period of time than a pitch thrown with a low spin rate, which is hard for
hitters to square up because there bodies and brains are trained to expect
the ball to come from a normal downward plane with a normal progression.
由另一个角度看,很多打者用"球忽然向上飞了",这代表了高转速,尽管球不是真的往上
跑,这代表高转速的球掉的比低转速的慢,这对於打者很难去挥中,因为他们的大脑已经
习惯於一般预期的轨迹
When the ball stays up on a pitch with high spin rate, that's where you see
weak fly balls and swings and misses.
当球有高转速时,代表的是高飞球率,高挥空率
Red Sox closer Koji Uehara is a prime example of success correlating with
high spin rate. Uehara's average fastball hovers around 88 MPH, so why is he
striking out close to 11 batter per nine innings in his major league career
when guys pumping fastball's 10 MPH harder can't even come close to that kind
of swing and miss success?
红袜守护神上原浩治是另一个高转速的成功范本,上原的速球只有88mph,但他为什麽
K/9高达11呢?为什麽比他快10mph的投手都很难有这麽高的三振率?
You guessed it. Spin. Rate. Uehara's fastball has a spin rate closing in on
2,500. The fact hitters only get to see him once a game--with no time to
adjust--makes him particularly difficult to barrel up.
你猜对了,转-速-! 上原的转速高达2500转,由於打者可能只会在一场中看到他一次,
没时间去适应,使他更难被打倒
MLB Advanced Media has yet to release all the data collected on every major
league pitcher and their spin rate, but they did leak the top six arms in
terms of average spin rate among repertoires, and the list leader--Garrett
Richards--is considered the modern day king of spin rate and would likely
have a 0.00 ERA every season if all that came with pitching was spin rate
related.
MLB Advanced Media还没释出全部投手的转速,但他们透露了最好的六个手臂,用
转速来评估的话,而在这里面的领先者-Garrett Richards,被认为是现代转速的王者
如果用ERA来说的话就是0这样的感觉
Richards 2,755 RPM slider is second in baseball, and his three fastballs
cutter, two-seamer and four-seamer all rank in the top 11.
Richards的2755转滑球是全部第二名,而他的速球卡特,二缝,四缝都在前11
Translation: guy is nasty.
翻译:这家伙他x的难打
Let's take a look at the rest of the list.
看看剩下的表
1. Garrett Richards, LAA
2. Jesse Hahn, OAK
3. Colin McHugh, HOU
4. Max Scherzer, WSH
5. Rick Porcello, BOS
6. Jake Arrieta, CHC
Not the most impressive list in the world is it? Sure, all these pitchers
have had success in 2015 and in the past, but save for Scherzer, you can
argue that there's not another perceived top 25 starting pitcher in the group.
看看这张令人惊叹的表了没?没错,这表全部的投手都在2015跟以前成功,但你可能会说
除了Scherzer之外没有人是前25的先发
Where's Clayton Kershaw? King Felix? I guess we'll have to find out where
they stack up when the complete list comes out later this summer, but while
this is certainly an interesting statistic to track, it speaks to me the way
I thought it might.
书僮跟King呢?我想我们只能够等整张表在晚点的夏天出来才能够讲讲,
这东西是很有趣的统计数字,这印证了我心中所预期的
There's more to a successful MLB pitcher than just spin rate. Calm down data
junkies.
成功的MLB投手需要拥有比转速更多的东西,数据派,冷静点
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※ WillWaiting:转录至看板 MLB 04/03 14:40
1F:推 hsunxun: 老王好像转速也很低 04/03 14:40
MLB伸卡平均 2070转 91mph
王伤後平均 1927转 90.5
老王伤前以前有的不精准数字是 91mph 1850转
※ 编辑: WillWaiting (96.93.71.126), 04/03/2016 14:44:32
2F:推 ccc73123: 我记得藤川球儿巅峰时转速也很高 04/03 14:42
3F:→ ccc73123: 日本还有特别为他做一集节目来测量 04/03 14:42
4F:推 s70160: 好文推 04/03 14:42
5F:推 JJJJiiimm: 推 04/03 14:43
6F:推 b99202071: 变化球转速数字和texasleaguers差真多 04/03 14:43
因为MLB装了新科技statcast 大幅增加精准度,用都都都卜勒雷达
7F:推 sxxs: 老王的神奇伸卡 那种低转速还真不是能练的 04/03 14:44
※ 编辑: WillWaiting (96.93.71.126), 04/03/2016 14:45:42
8F:推 yankeerock: 最後一句翻错了吧 04/03 14:45
9F:推 honorstar: 难怪伟殷 球速没非常快 还是飞球+三振 因为转速高!! 04/03 14:45
10F:推 blackwoods: 德州学校新闻有说 老王Sinker是目前测到转速最低 所以 04/03 14:45
11F:→ blackwoods: 掉的最晚 04/03 14:45
12F:→ b99202071: 看来这里比较准? 04/03 14:45
13F:推 leonjapan: 藤川那片段 我前几篇有贴 每秒45转 回转角度5 04/03 14:46
※ 编辑: WillWaiting (96.93.71.126), 04/03/2016 14:47:43
14F:→ b99202071: 是差一维的关系吗? 04/03 14:47
阿摘,多好几维吧
15F:→ honorstar: 所以老王的伸卡转速还没回到巅峰期吗XD 04/03 14:47
16F:推 leonjapan: 一般投手进垒落差30cm 他直落差2cm 04/03 14:47
※ 编辑: WillWaiting (96.93.71.126), 04/03/2016 14:48:41
17F:推 sxxs: 伤後那平均是包含前七年没去德州学校前 今年比较有意思 04/03 14:48
18F:推 Ec73Iwai: 其实就是只要你投的球特别"不一样"就能胜出 04/03 14:49
19F:推 s310213: 上原转速超高@@! 04/03 14:49
20F:推 leonjapan: 上原MLB最速92mph(约148km/h)、平均球速も约88-89mph 04/03 14:50
21F:推 honorstar: 泽村:怪癖球 王道 04/03 14:50
22F:→ leonjapan: 球速不快 靠的是很好控球能力 现在看到的转速 04/03 14:50
※ 编辑: WillWaiting (96.93.71.126), 04/03/2016 14:53:42
23F:→ b99202071: 速球的部分还是跟缝线有关吧 四缝转速低就很惨 04/03 14:56
※ 编辑: WillWaiting (96.93.71.126), 04/03/2016 15:00:02
24F:推 ibahan: 长知识推 04/03 15:00
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※ 转录者: WillWaiting (96.93.71.126), 04/03/2016 15:01:13
25F:→ larksong: 是说以後选投手要特别测试与训练手掌与手指的力量了 04/03 17:21