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标题[转录][转录][Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin
时间Tue Feb 9 08:02:22 2010
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作者: danielprince (丹尼尔王子) 看板: NBA
标题: [转录][Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin
时间: Mon Feb 8 23:19:07 2010
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作者: SULICon (Puff Gasoft) 看板: Celtics
标题: [Rumor] Ray Allen <===> Kevin Martin
时间: Mon Feb 8 21:11:40 2010
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作者:Ken Berger
Celtics, Allen on trade clock
Few grand conclusions can be drawn from February NBA games. But in this case,
the Celtics' latest disappointing loss only underscored what has been a poorly
kept secret among NBA executives for weeks:
Ray Allen's time in Boston is
likely coming to an end.
Thanks to a non-competitive third quarter, the Celtics fell to Orlando 96-89 on
Sunday, dropping them to third in the East behind the Cavs and Magic. The
struggling Celtics still have three games against Cleveland to prove they
haven't fallen from elite status. But after going 1-3 against Orlando and 0-4
against Atlanta,
the Celtics have reached a crossroads in their bid to milk one
more championship banner out of the Allen-Paul Pierce-Kevin Garnett era.
Don't bet on every member of the Big Three being around beyond the Feb. 18
trade deadline.
Though team president Danny Ainge has publicly ridiculed the Allen trade
reports, several NBA executives told CBSSports.com that the Celtics have been
actively trying to parlay Allen's $19.7 million expiring contract into an asset
that could keep them in the mix during the upcoming playoffs and also help them
for the next several seasons. The most recent inquiry, sources say, involved
Sacramento sharpshooter Kevin Martin, who'd be a good fit with Boston's
remaining core. Kings officials might be talked out of their reluctance to deal
Martin if they could pry a prolific big man out of a third team brought into
the discussions or in a separate transaction before the deadline.
The bottom line is that
Ainge, who saved his job by pulling off the perfect
storm of trades that yielded Allen and Garnett three years ago, has made it
clear in private conversations that
he's "not going back to the abyss,"
according to one person familiar with the discussions.
"Danny has said, 'I can't go back to square one where we were prior to the
Garnett deal,'" the person said. "At the All-Star break, they’re going to look
in the mirror and say, 'Cleveland got better, we can't beat Orlando, and we
can't even beat the Hawks. We’re not going to win it this year.'"
If the Celtics kept Allen and let his contract come off the books, they'd still
be over the cap this summer with no avenues besides sign-and-trades to acquire
a starting shooting guard. That's why Boston also has expressed interest in the
Bulls' Kirk Hinrich, an excellent defender and ball-handler who would give the
Celtics a starting two guard next season at $9 million and in 2011-12 at $8
million. The Bulls' motivation would be cap relief.
The Kings, who are not planning to be big free-agent shoppers this summer,
aren't seeking to acquire cap space alone. They want assets -- and the Celtics
don't have a young big man to offer. The Bulls, who almost certainly will move
Tyrus Thomas, might need to be invited into that conversation to satisfy
everyone's needs.
Whatever avenue they pursue, the Celtics don't want to go into this summer with
no cap flexibility and no assets that could be used to keep them among the
elite. Before Ainge struck the 2007 draft-related deal for Allen and then
plucked Garnett from Minnesota with the help of former teammate Kevin McHale,
the Celtics had just endured a 24-win season and hadn't been out of the first
round since 2002-03. Ainge and Doc Rivers were on the brink of getting fired
until the perfect remedy presented itself -- and the Celtics parlayed the Allen
and Garnett deals into their 17th NBA title.
"Kevin McHale's out of the league," one rival executive said, only half-joking.
"So they're not going to be able to recreate that deal again."
The period leading up to that was so grim that nobody in the organization wants
to revisit it. The best way to avoid such a scenario would be to part ways with
Allen. It wouldn't be starting over. Instead, it would be a bold attempt to
have a chance against Cleveland, Orlando, and Atlanta in the playoffs and avoid
going back to the depths of rebuilding.
Would you trade Ray Allen for Kevin Martin?
72% Yes
████████ 902 votes
27% No
███ 349 votes
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1F:推 gapcel :险路勿近啊~不过我们真的需要个妹妹头杀手... 02/08 21:15
2F:推 nick13tw :顺便把Rando一起打包换evans吧.. 02/08 21:15
3F:推 ckshera :完了 02/08 21:24
4F:→ brominelove :rumor愈来愈多了 看来今年说不定会成真… 02/08 21:27
5F:推 iecdalu :唉~希望三巨头不要拆夥啊 阿炮走就超惋惜的 02/08 21:40
6F:推 gaiaesque :no......... 02/08 21:54
7F:推 xhole :KM太玻璃人了吧 风险颇高的投资 02/08 21:55
8F:推 pohao522 :乳摸讲不完~无止尽的回圈!等成真再说~ 02/08 22:01
9F:→ fk920 :72% 是C's官网投票的结果吗...orz 02/08 22:07
10F:→ aringring :ray不要走!走了我就没动力早起看比赛了............ 02/08 22:10
11F:推 nogoodlaugh :Martin健康的话 进攻可期待 防守会是洞 02/08 22:11
12F:→ nogoodlaugh :不过只拿到Martin...也不太想换 应该还有更棒的交易 02/08 22:12
13F:→ nogoodlaugh :加个Casspi好了...慢慢想XD 02/08 22:14
14F:推 boy80421 :NO!!!!!!!! 02/08 22:18
15F:推 wilson78225 :完了 02/08 22:29
16F:推 fascinated :如果ray得走 希望能把ray送去强队 想看他打季後赛 02/08 22:37
17F:→ fascinated :老实说 如果好好用ray能撑至少2-3年 像hill那样 02/08 22:39
18F:→ fascinated :希望看到的是他光荣退休 不是被遗弃而淡出NBA 02/08 22:41
19F:推 atyin :有看到三方交易换来Igoudala 这我还比较能接受 02/08 22:50
20F:→ david760615 :会有乳摸不意外 第三节先发打这麽烂 全部都该被干谯 02/08 22:53
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21F:推 NicoRobin26 :... 02/08 23:19
22F:→ NicoRobin26 :YES的好多 02/08 23:20
※ Yocoldagain:转录至看板 Kings 02/08 23:20
23F:推 Yocoldagain :THX 02/08 23:21
24F:推 dmdjjj :这.................@@ 02/08 23:24
25F:推 clkdtm32 :这个...超赛又要回来了... 02/08 23:24
26F:推 banbantone :@@ 02/08 23:25
27F:→ kennest :KM防守不怎麽好...我想看defensive的赛队啊 02/08 23:25
28F:推 pt725a :真是这样超赛赚翻了!!! Martin超准...又很年轻!! 02/08 23:26
29F:推 aik1212 :国王会不会交易後又买断Allen,只要到期约清薪资 02/08 23:27
30F:→ pt725a :超赛要的是射手 不是大锁... 而且KM又比较年轻... 02/08 23:27
31F:→ ss88812 :玻璃马丁= = 真的交易的话怕他受伤又影响球队磨合 02/08 23:28
32F:→ clkdtm32 :ALLEN交易过去买断再回超赛 我们超赛超强的啦 02/08 23:30
33F:推 mysterio619 :被恺恺戳中笑点... 02/08 23:30
34F:→ ss88812 :暗黑兵法不是马刺专用的吗XD 02/08 23:31
35F:→ richard1003 :有赚吗?Martin又玻璃防守又烂约又长..... 02/08 23:33
36F:→ momofishj :.......... 02/08 23:34
37F:→ gaiaesque :伪赛迷真High 02/08 23:34
38F:推 JoshSmith :KM 防守差主要是心态问题,若到BOS应该可以改善。 02/08 23:37
39F:→ JoshSmith :BOS 越来越老如果不想大幅度重建的话,运用到期合约 02/08 23:37
40F:推 philipsunboy:KM得分能力很强喔 这样跟PP感觉颇猛 02/08 23:37
41F:→ JoshSmith :的交易其实是非常不错的。 02/08 23:37
42F:→ philipsunboy:KM到BOS的话 国王一哥Evans正式接棒 可以打SG 02/08 23:38
43F:推 DeonBon :oh..no..Allen不要走~~~~ 02/08 23:39
44F:推 xhole :换KM不如去换小AI 02/08 23:41
45F:推 davy50707 :国王队需要的是禁区球员... 02/08 23:41
46F:→ davy50707 :但如果是Scalabrine就算了= = 02/08 23:41
47F:推 clkdtm32 :干嘛看不起吉祥物?他也是有外线能力的好不好 02/08 23:42
48F:→ davy50707 :说真的啦 一对一的话 雷枪换得到KM已经是抢劫了 02/08 23:43
49F:→ davy50707 :外线能力跟国王队要的禁区战力是两码子事 02/08 23:43
50F:推 airwun :Allen别走... 02/08 23:47
51F:推 clkdtm32 :要不然再加一个PERKINS 02/08 23:50
52F:推 chansexy :不可能吧 国王把好物 换夕阳干麻.好歹也换个潜力吧 02/08 23:50
53F:→ chansexy :根本不太可能 对国王来说完全没好处阿 02/08 23:51
54F:推 vvnbear :一换一国王亏吧@@ Ray已经在走下坡了 KM还年轻 02/08 23:55
55F:推 kingroy :国王没好处+1..除非国王明年要抢人..ex:阿骂 02/08 23:56
56F:→ kingroy :如果动机是要抢阿骂/龙王,倒可以解释国王想要这样做 02/08 23:57
57F:→ kingroy :的原因..现在战绩应该是要等乐透区选秀了.. 02/08 23:58
58F:→ kingroy :不过..国王握着Evans就敢这样子换..有点抖.. 02/08 23:59
59F:→ chansexy :国王应该不太想换吧:p KM跟TE没有排斥的很明显 02/09 00:00
60F:推 vvnbear :重点是国王就算用了Allen的到期约 真的能签到大鱼吗? 02/09 00:01
61F:→ vvnbear :完全看不出国王有什麽诱因可以签到那些大鱼 02/09 00:02
62F:→ chansexy :Casspi KM TE 十年不用担心後场:p.交易出去不太可能 02/09 00:03
63F:推 Yocoldagain :差了8岁 年轻也是KM的优点 多数人放大他缺点并不公平 02/09 00:03
64F:推 kingroy :手上的一堆到期约,薪资空间上是够的,加上年轻球员最 02/09 00:04
65F:推 vvnbear :要换也是换禁区 Evans有独当一面的架势 02/09 00:05
66F:→ kingroy :多可以用QO,TO,之类的延长到四年上下.. 02/09 00:05
67F:→ vvnbear :找一个攻守有一定水准的SG不难 换Allen根本没未来 02/09 00:05
68F:→ vvnbear :毕竟...国王是乐透区的球队 02/09 00:06
69F:推 kingroy :能换到攻守有一定水准的SG不难?当下去跟哪支球队换? 02/09 00:08
70F:→ kingroy : 找 02/09 00:08
71F:推 clkdtm32 :KOBE 02/09 00:08
72F:→ SULICon :Allen那张约19M耶~ 02/09 00:08
73F:→ kingroy :选秀能选到?还是要透过自由市场找?後两个选项都嘛要 02/09 00:09
74F:→ kingroy :等到明年.. 02/09 00:09
75F:推 justlovekiss:个人觉得不会 = = 02/09 00:10
76F:推 kingroy :我是觉得国王亏,前提看国王是不是想投入自由市场.. 02/09 00:12
77F:推 Verlander35 :之前是有消息说为了养evans 所以想交易KM啦 02/09 00:12
78F:→ kingroy :一起玩10年抢人这样.. 02/09 00:13
79F:→ Verlander35 :不过也不急吧 反正年轻 搞不好能磨合好就不用交易了 02/09 00:13
80F:推 aidsai :马丁的约哪里烂又长了....很蠢ㄝ!!!便宜又大碗的球员 02/09 00:16
81F:推 vvnbear :SG和SF这种摇摆人NBA太多了 相较之下 禁区超缺的 02/09 00:16
82F:→ Verlander35 :国王缺肉柱是缺c还是pf? 如果是c的话 那湖人的DJ签 02/09 00:18
83F:推 live4132 :国王大亏阿.... 02/09 00:19
84F:→ Verlander35 :来当苦工还算堪用啦 02/09 00:19
85F:推 Cannelloni :千万别换.... 02/09 00:21
86F:推 knight505 :这什麽鬼..... 02/09 00:21
87F:→ knight505 :换了的话, 超赛的外围投射谁来扛? 02/09 00:22
88F:推 IWF :楼上的不会以为马丁不准吧... 02/09 00:23
89F:推 DKing :楼楼上大概不认识马丁 02/09 00:23
90F:推 clkdtm32 :KM的外线 应该也是不错的吧... 02/09 00:23
91F:推 knight505 :宫城和雷枪的性质是一样的吗 = = 02/09 00:24
92F:→ amox :是漫画人物? 02/09 00:25
93F:→ DKing :去查查数据吧 都是射手.. 02/09 00:25
94F:推 clkdtm32 :而且他跑位应该又更快了吧... 02/09 00:25
95F:推 forever23 :超赛这样换我不看好唷 02/09 00:28
96F:嘘 winnabe :靠 一堆人不认识KM的在说KM烂 搞不懂耶 02/09 00:29
97F:→ winnabe :KM年轻又便宜 去看看他的绩效吧 BOS亏? 笑死人 02/09 00:32
98F:推 ree001122 :看不下去了 是以为我们球队成绩滥就没有好球员吗 = = 02/09 00:32
99F:→ spy007city :塞尔提克会不会太赚了! 02/09 00:33
100F:推 ttttted :国王总管没有灰熊总管人那麽好 02/09 00:33
101F:→ ree001122 :KM是全联盟前几名的高效率得分机器 不认识就别乱说 02/09 00:34
102F:推 tiberian :KM拥有C's目前很缺乏的赖犯规能力,然而雷枪这样无私 02/09 00:34
103F:→ tiberian :又有强大能力的团队球员也很难寻了。 02/09 00:34
104F:推 Yocoldagain :科科科 想抢劫国王就来吧 /Petrie 02/09 00:35
105F:推 NicoRobin26 :问一下 KM需要很长的持球时间吗? 02/09 00:35
106F:推 DeAmorFati :推K$ 不让你换! 02/09 00:35
107F:→ tiberian :个人还是希望交易不要成行。 02/09 00:36
108F:推 tzymo :最恐怖的是有人连KM是射手都不知道 哭哭 这麽没名气 02/09 00:36
109F:推 winnabe :不用~ 他有经历过旧国王时期 球越顺越强 赖犯规也强 02/09 00:37
110F:→ clkdtm32 :虽然他的姿势怪...但是真的还蛮准的 02/09 00:41
111F:推 iamaq18c :KM过去的话 超赛赚很大 因为他不需要长时间持球 02/09 00:41
112F:→ iamaq18c :防守意识去超赛应该都会拉得起来 至少可以到中规中矩 02/09 00:41
113F:推 ooxxman :很赚 风险应该还是在他的玻璃娃娃般的身体 伤了就... 02/09 00:42
114F:推 knight505 :那快换吧 升级的超赛感觉很恐怖 02/09 00:42
115F:→ iamaq18c :如果他去超赛的话 应该也轮不到他受伤 在外围呆就好 02/09 00:42
116F:→ iamaq18c :不用杀进杀出 会减少很多受伤的风险 02/09 00:42
118F:推 vvnbear :以为KM是宫城?? 真的是太夸张了 当成K-Mart也就算了 02/09 00:43
119F:→ kingpredrag :我们家马丁,请不吝指教^^ 02/09 00:43
120F:→ skitshady :外型很像阿 有什麽好夸张 02/09 00:45
121F:推 Allenkkk :以为是状元马丁...科科 02/09 00:45
122F:嘘 Garcia32 :说km烂的可以看过比赛再说吗? 这个交易是国王亏吧 02/09 00:46
123F:推 ourear :KM叫宫城已经好几年有了啊. 02/09 00:49
124F:推 tkalien :速度快 外线准 这样外线还扛不起来的话 那.. 02/09 00:50
125F:→ loquito :快换呀 RAY可以教新人王投篮也是个传承 02/09 00:50
126F:推 stocktonty :这样伦艾伦会哭吧...传奇射手生涯末期被当成交易筹码 02/09 00:51
127F:推 Garcia32 :马丁较宫城已经好几年了 02/09 00:52
128F:→ loquito :球迷是感性的 生意是冷血 事实他最有价值来交易 02/09 00:52
129F:→ clkdtm32 :Garcia电动里面好准... 02/09 00:53
130F:推 onedge :......... 不准换 02/09 00:53
132F:→ loquito :Penny的弟弟XD 02/09 00:54
133F:推 k8k8 :楼上的图像KOBE 02/09 00:54
134F:→ k8k8 :试时候KOBE该上场救援了 02/09 00:54
136F:推 mea7211 :会被当成筹码就代表还有价值 真正会哭的是连交易价值 02/09 01:21
137F:→ mea7211 :都没有的球员… 02/09 01:22
138F:→ clkdtm32 :例如? 02/09 01:25
139F:推 k7117836 :觉得这样换两边都没啥好处 02/09 01:25
140F:推 TWN5566 :不知道在嘘啥 没几人说KM不好 倒是一堆人觉得国王亏 02/09 01:41
141F:推 Amilous :国王很赚啊 KM的约这麽久又贵 重点是那麽容易受伤 02/09 01:53
142F:→ Amilous :KM for zero 省钱国王都觉得赚 02/09 01:53
143F:→ Amilous :反正是个双赢的交易 国王想省钱 Bos想避免重建 02/09 01:54
144F:推 kingroy :觉得亏是因为Martin的约跟Allen大小有差,要交易国王 02/09 01:58
145F:→ kingroy :要再加东西,而国王现在手上一堆都是到期约,扔没用的 02/09 01:59
146F:→ kingroy :多半都会扔到到期约,扔长约会动到主力.. 02/09 01:59
147F:推 Amilous :大概会加Nocioni或Udrih啊 这两只约比较长 02/09 02:02
148F:→ Amilous :不过不想动到这两个 就拿Thomas或Rahim到期约换 02/09 02:04
149F:→ Amilous :一样是到期约 至少可以多清掉KM这四年大约 02/09 02:04
150F:推 Amilous :国王重建主力就Evans Hawes Thompson Casspi Greene 02/09 02:07
151F:推 Kreen :赚翻了~ 02/09 02:07
152F:推 psdc258 :KM和Rondo配总觉得怪怪的 02/09 02:16
153F:推 kingpredrag :A兄一点都不了解国王还说的振振有辞,加油,好吗? 02/09 02:20
154F:推 karta1535575:KEVIN MARTIN 在老外里面真的算很清秀 帅气 02/09 02:25
155F:推 hihi29 :国王丢KM绝对不会是省钱的因素好吗? 02/09 02:26
156F:推 aidsai :看到清掉KM的大约就很好笑了 ~ 乾脆全部买断全部清掉 02/09 02:40
157F:→ aidsai :这样有没有达到省钱的目的 !!!??? 02/09 02:41
158F:嘘 ttttted :A开头的是来乱的吧 02/09 02:59
159F:推 chinhan1216 :超塞换到很赚 02/09 03:26
160F:推 harddaynight:软豆:在没竞争力的球队刷分没啥了不起 先叫声学长来 02/09 07:02
161F:→ harddaynight:听听 02/09 07:02
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