很喜欢Josh回答关於歌迷为何死忠的答案，一听就知道是巷子内的 XD http://ppt.cc/LWV6 Red Hot Chili Peppers: 'Our Next Effort Will Be Pretty Beautiful' Interview by Steven Rosen Ultimate-Guitar.Com 2011 Five years have passed since the Red Hot Chili Peppers released Stadium Arcadium, the band’s ninth album and one that contained multiple hit singles including “Desecration Smile,” “Dani California,” “Hump de Bump,” “ Tell Me Baby” and “Snow (Hey Oh).” The album debuted at number one in the Billboard 200 charts and it would go on to win five Grammy Awards in the 2007 ceremonies. It was a monster album by anyone’s definition so when John Frusciante announced he was leaving during the group’s two-year hiatus, the newly pared-down trio began a rebuilding program. 自从SA开始，五年过去了。该张专辑在告示牌上夺下多项冠军，同时赢得五座葛莱美奖。 这绝对是一张巨作。 They brought in longtime friend, Josh Klinghoffer, a guitarist who had played with Frusciante in a band called Ataxia. He first played with the band in 2007 when he joined as auxiliary guitarist for the final dates of the Stadium Arcadium tour. Josh与John曾共同组成一个名为"Ataxia"的乐团(发过两张专辑，很棒)，也在2007年加入 红椒的巡回行列。 In 2009, the revised quartet entered the studios with longtime producer Rick Rubin and began working on what would become I’m With You. Ranging from piano-driven songs like “Happiness Loves Company” to the African grooves of “Ethiopia,” the record is full of Klinghoffer’s guitars—both electric and acoustic—and the trademark funk rhythms laid down by Flea and Chad Smith. 2009年，找来了长期合作的Rick Rubin一同制作专辑"I’m With You"。 The Red Hot Chili Peppers convened at a hotel on Santa Monica beach for a day of press. Anthony Kiedis and Josh Klinghoffer were pulled aside specially for Ultimate-Guitar and though the time constraints were pretty rigid, the following conversation reveals a lot about the singer and guitarist. 红椒们在圣塔莫妮卡海边附近的饭店接受媒体访问。 Stadium Arcadium was a big record for the band and then John Frusciante kind of left in its wake. What were you thinking? SA是乐团的大制作专辑，而John也在之後算是离团了，你怎麽想？ Anthony Kiedis: Well, for one thing it wasn’t a “kind of” leaves—it was a very definitive leave. I guess it depends on who you ask as to what the next step would be. For me it seemed like an appropriate change—like that was really the only thing that could have happened. I don’t think that we could’ ve continued with John just because it was done. And I think we all kind of knew that in our heart of hearts and I kind of applaud him for making that move. It never crossed my mind to do anything other than continue on but I think Flea and Chad probably had their own thoughts and emotions about it. AK 嗯，不是算是，而是确定离团了。我想你的问题应该是指下一步要怎麽走。对我而言，这 可以说是一个适当的转机，毕竟事情只能这样发展。我不认为我们一定要有John才能继续 下去，因为现在就在继续了。而我想我们的内心深处都知道，而我也相当赞成John走出他 自己的路。我从未想过任何继续乐团以外的事，但我想Flea与Chad有他们的想法。 The hiatus was a positive move? 这段长休带来的影响是正面的吗？ Kiedis: I love that we took the two years off to do nothing but be people away from the Red Hot Chili Peppers and then when we came back and aligned ourselves with Josh, it was so time to go forward and it felt so right and reenergized. I could not have written a better script. I can all day long but I don’t. AK 我很喜欢我们放了两年假，作作身为红椒以外的角色，然後我们回来跟Josh合作，是继续 往前进的好时机，很正确而且也让大家重新充电了。我没办法再写出更好的稿子。我可以 花一整天，但我决定不要。 You have a very long history with the band but what were there any nerves coming into the band? Did you feel you had to hold high the banner of the Red Hot Chili Peppers? 你和乐团间的历史也不短，但是加入乐团是否会让你紧张呢？你觉得你是否肩负着扛起乐 团招牌的重任？ Josh Klinghoffer: Without trying to sound trite, it was just friends playing music together. If I think about what other people think and the banner that you mentioned? Then sure I could think about it and all that stuff is what other people think and I shouldn’t think about that. Josh 听起来可能很老套，但就只是一群朋友聚在一起玩音乐而已。如果我要去考虑到其他人怎 麽想，或是你刚说的招牌？当然我可以去想着招不招牌，或是其他人怎麽想，只是我不想 去想而已。 Kiedis: Where is that banner by the way? AK 那块招牌哪去了？ Klinghoffer: I don’t know. Josh 我不知道耶 Kiedis: In the back of a Ryder truck somewhere. AK 我想大概是在某台货车後面吧。 Klinghoffer: I think it was a new situation for all of us. Josh 我想这对我们都是新的局面。 What were the initial sessions like for the I’m With You album? 新专辑的是怎麽起头的？ Klinghoffer: Well, Flea pointed out when we were recording and on the studio floor that I’d been in the band almost a year and we hadn’t touched a single Chili Pepper song. From the get-go, we started jamming. It was just that: turn on the gear and start playing. Josh 嗯，我加入将近一年的时候，当时我们还没真的去碰触关於红椒的歌曲，一天我们在录歌 时，Flea指出这件事便开启了新专辑的序章。一切就只是打开器材，开始弹奏这样而已。 We spoke back during the Californication album and John Frusciante described your approach to writing as dealing with colors. Did that still hold true on the I’m With You record? 在Californication专辑时，John曾形容你写词就好像在作画一样。你再新专辑中还是一 样吗？ Kiedis: Yeah, I think he was probably just finding a way to explain that I kind go more from intuition and feeling than from a specific musical education or knowledge of how music works on a mathematical level or something like this. More just by ear and waves of color and inspiration from god knows where. AK 是啊，我想他很精准地形容了我是那种倚靠直觉、感觉，而非根据理论创作的人。不单单 靠听觉，然後灵感就油然而生了。 All your melodies come internally? Do you play any instruments? 所以你的旋律都是发自内在？你会乐器吗？ Kiedis: No, I really. I think I play three pretty good chords on the guitar. Yeah, they come—I don’t know if it’s internal or external—but just from listening to the air. And obviously being inspired by the textures and the chords and the interplay between Josh, Flea and Chad. There’s always a suggestion of melody in the air based on these chords and sometimes they come in an a cappela sense. I know when they’re right for the song because they feel special in my heart. When I hear melody and it makes me move emotionally, I’m like, “OK, that’s the melody for this song.” The same with words; they come flying in wherever they come from and sometimes it’s easier than others. But, yeah, I’m definitely the uneducated musician in the band. AK 真的不会，我想我大概只会用吉他弹三个和弦。是啊，是出自於，我不晓得那是内在还是 外在，但就是从四周去感受。然後，很显然地就会被他们三人的曲调所启发。所以当我特 别有所感觉时，我就知道这曲调适合这首歌。当我听着听着觉得有所悸动时，我想着：「 好极了，这就是这首歌所需的旋律。」歌词也是，有时候词句就这样窜出来了。但，是啦 ，我是乐团里最不受教的一个。 Klinghoffer: It’s a real privilege to watch what Anthony does—just watching the melody come, to watching the lyric come; it’s incredible. I’ve never worked with someone who’s a dedicated singer and lyricist; it’s amazing to watch the entire process happen. I’m someone who does all those things in my own way and to watch it happen in such a thoughtful and meticulous way is amazing. It inspires me. Josh 可以看AK怎麽做是真是一种殊荣。看着旋律出来、歌词出来，实在很不可思议。我从未与 一个如此专注在唱歌与写词的人共事，可以目睹这个过程真的很棒。我是那种作什麽事都 按照自己的方式来的人，因此可以看见事情是以如此周全与缜密的方式在进行，让我觉得 很惊奇。这启发了我。 In a song like “Annie Wants a Baby,” you play off of Anthony’s vocals with this cool little guitar counterpoint line. You were inspired by Anthony’s melodies and the way he was writing the song? 在"Annie Wants a Baby"中，你用吉他配合了AK的声音，弹奏一段对位旋律 (counterpoint)，是因为你受到AK写这首歌的方式的影响吗？ Klinghoffer: Yeah, I mean I think we all inform each other. For a lot of the songs, they were borne out of either jams or pre-existing chord structures. There was just tons of things that could be done whether it was a jam or a pre-existing chord structure. Finding a place to put all those little things around a melody and the vocals. It was a challenge-slash-privilege. Josh 是啊，应该说我们影响彼此。绝大多数的歌曲，在结构基本上不是jam就是pre-existing chord组合起来的，所以不管是哪个我们都有很多材料可以做。让我可以找地方，把它们 放在这些旋律或歌声间，这既是一种挑战也是一种殊荣。 There’s a lot of room for you as a guitar player to bring out your ideas and experiment? 身为一个吉他手，你是否有足够的空间去运用你的想法以及进行你的实验？ Klinghoffer: The comparison between John and I that I’ve read is like me being more textural than him. To me, with Flea and Chad holding down so much weight, I don’t see how you couldn’t play like I play and I don’t see how you couldn’t play like John plays. There is so much room for one to be themselves, which I think is what this band is about. For Anthony and all of us—everyone does what they do personally and thoughtfully. 跟John相比的话，我会说我比较注重曲调组织。对我而言，Flea与Chad承担不少担子，我 不曾被要求说：「你怎麽不像我这样弹」或是「你怎麽不像John那样弹」我们每个人都有 很多空间可以做我们自己，我想这就是这个乐团的核心。对AK与其他人而言，每个人都是 同理心的让彼此做自己。 “Brendan’s Death Song” was one of the first songs written for the album. When you wrote that song did it provide a jumping off point for the other songs? "Brendan’s Death Song"是新专辑中最先创作的歌之一。当你在写这首歌时，是否有让 你对其他歌曲的方向产生影响？ Kiedis: No. One of the benefits of being in the Red Hot Chili Peppers is there really are no rules to what you can play. We’ll play anything from blues to punk rock to something jazz-inspired or African-inspired or just anything; anything under the sun. It’s like, “Oh, that doesn’t fit—it all fits.” Anything we play belongs in the band so just because the harmonic nature of “Brendan’s Death Song” came early it wasn’t like, “Oh, that’s our direction.” That’s just going to be one of many, many, many flavors that we find over the next year. We were happy with that one—it felt really truthful and we kept it and we filed that away as like, “Must return to this little piece and finish it someday.” But yeah, the next thing that we played could’ve been completely electronic sounding or in some weird time signature. AK 没有。身为红椒的好处之一就是，你想干麻就干麻没什麽规则。我们可以从蓝调到庞克摇 滚到爵士到非洲音乐或其他，其他任何太阳底下的事。就只是：「这不合适；这很合适」 而已。"Brendan’s Death Song"这首歌指示刚好那个时间发生的事，所以并不是说我们 就要把它当成创作方向。那是过程中，众多偏好的作品之一。我们很高兴可以写出这段， 因为那很真实，所以我们先保留下来，然後我们想：一定要找一天回头把这一小段东西完 成。但，下一件事，可能是我们就跑去玩电子音效或是其他当下发生的灵感了。 Red Hot Chili Pepper fans are very loyal and will follow you anywhere stylistically. That’s a hard commodity to cultivate for a lot of bands. 红椒的粉丝都相当死忠，会跟着你们到去处。很多乐团都不见得跟乐迷有这样连系。 Kiedis: That could be part of why we’ve had success over a long period of time is we’re not trying to repeat ourselves or really be married to anything that we’ve done in the past or what we think we’re supposed to be. We’re supposed to be whatever the moment brings. AK 我想这就是我们成功走过这麽多年的原因之一，因为我们不重复我们自己，或是死守过去 我们做过的东西，或是觉得自己应该怎样。现在的时刻是怎样我们就是怎样。 Klinghoffer: And as someone who grew up with this band and not to sound negative about bands but you can be a fan of these people and music aside. Anthony, Flea, Chad, John and Hillel [Slovak, early guitar player], anyone in this band you could be a fan of them as a person as much as you know them or think you know them. I think that as a new member being in the band, that’s why I think people will go there. I mean they like these people and it’s not necessarily about hits. You can trust what they’ll do to you or to your life. Josh 身为一个跟着乐团成长的人而言，就算不谈音乐，你也会是这些人的粉丝。AK、Flea、 Chad、John和Hillel，他们本身就足以让人崇拜，不管你认识他多深或是你自以为认识他 。身为乐团的新成员，所以我知道大家一定会来看演出。因为大家喜欢他们，这无关红不 红、热不热门。你能相信他们就是会触动你或是你的生活。 Certainly a lot of bands losing a guitar player could not survive that change. 不少乐团在失去吉他手之後就撑不过去了。 Kiedis: Everybody contributes equally mentality so when we lose somebody as important as John—who’s such a creative force in the universe—it wasn’t a killer because there’s still three other people that are creative forces that have been contributing equally from day one and from note one. So it’s not like any single individual is responsible for writing or carrying the weight of the band. We share it. AK 每人的贡献都是相等的，所以当我们失去像John这样的重要成员时，这并不会扼杀我们， 因为还有其他三人可以做同等的付出。所以并不是某个人肩负了整个乐团的创作重担。我 们平分那份责任。 “Happiness Loves Company” was one of the piano-based songs, which is an element that’s pretty unique for the band. "Happiness Loves Company"是钢琴旋律为主的歌曲之一，这个元素对你们似乎相当少见 。 Kiedis: I think it was composed on piano. AK 我想它确实是由钢琴组成的 Klinghoffer: Definitely. Josh 绝对 Kiedis: Yeah, I’m pretty sure that was borne from Flea’s Renaissance period at USC; he checked into school to improve his piano playing and his knowledge of music theory and some of the classic musicians from hundreds of years ago who figured out some pretty good ways of writing songs. Yeah, so that is borne from piano. AK 是啊，我蛮确定那是Flea去了大学後的影响。他去进修他的钢琴技巧、音乐理论，以及学 习一些几百年前的古典音乐家的创作方式。所以，是啊，这首歌是钢琴架构的。 And your vocals take on these different characteristics where they don’t even sound like Anthony Kiedis. 然而你的歌声在里面有许多不同的个性，有些听起来似乎根本就不像你。 Kiedis: There’s a lot of different vocal tones in that song—it has three or four very distinctive vocal flavors but they all feel like me to me. I like that Frank Zappa gets a shout out in the lyrics. AK 确实是有不同声调，大概有三到四种，但我觉得都还蛮像我的。我喜欢Frank Zappa喊叫 那段。 Is that right? 是这样吗？ Kiedis: Well, “The Mothers of Invention are the best.” John was deep into Frank Zappa. AK "The Mothers of Invention最棒了"。John很迷Frank Zappa。 Klinghoffer: Oh, really? Josh 真的吗？ Kiedis: It’s weird, right? AK 很怪吧 Klinghoffer: I wouldn’t have thought. Josh 我想不到耶 Kiedis: Yeah, I wouldn’t have thought. AK 是啊，我也想不到 We only have a couple minutes left—can you talk about your guitars and amps? (谈到Josh使用的器材，太专业无法翻译 囧) Klinghoffer: I used this Radial box that sends a signal out to seven different amplifiers at once, which were: Gibson Falcon; Fender Super Six; Fender Super Reverb; and the amp for the tracking guitar was always a Marshall Major with a 4x12 Celestion cabinet. We used an Orange cabinet and an Ampeg head; there was always seven amplifiers being recorded at once and we would blend but the tracking guitar was always a Marshall Major. Guitars? Klinghoffer: A ’67 Fender Custom Telly and Chad Smith’s 1962 Strat for 90 per cent of the stuff. At the end of the day, the Red Hot Chili Peppers have a new guitar player and a new album. How does it all hold up for you? Is I’m With You the album you were hearing in your head for the last year? (问AK对新专辑的感受吧，有点闲话家常，跳过XD) Kiedis: I love the record; I’ve been listening to it for two years. The other day I was on my way to rehearsal at the Forum [home of the Los Angeles Lakers] ‘cause we were doing production rehearsals with the new stage and the lights and I was on my motorcycle, which has a CD player. I was absolutely cranking our record and little did I know that our manager was behind in a car going, “Who is that listening to the new Chili Peppers record?” And when I get to the rehearsal, I was totally busted. But yeah, I’ m really proud of it. It definitely surpassed any—and not that I’m a man of expectations but whatever level I hold ourselves to in terms of quality, it passed that. And I feel like our best is yet to come. I feel like our next effort will be pretty beautiful. --

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