最强的溜马女分析师 Caitlin Cooper 又做了个专题讨论 溜马第一战 原影片 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kLfQzIb70w 警告 : 影片内容很长 : 我帮大家做了五个重点节录, 并且用 ChatGPT 翻了一下, 再手动校正了一下 时间轴有点跑掉, 因为我一开始翻的版本不太一样, 但还是可以参考 前面我有放章节, 如果觉得原文太长的, 就直接按 End 我帮大家作重点整理 1. 溜马的剧本从崩溃到奇蹟（0:00–3:00） Rick Carlisle 请求暂停後，溜马如何从14分落後展开反攻 2.Haliburton 与 Nesmith 的关键爆发（3:00–10:00） 冰冷三分与疯狂射手诞生，数据背後的自信与技术突破 3.战术对位与 Sheppard 的防守任务（10:00–20:00） 如何用 Ben Sheppard 扰乱 Brunson？Carlisle 的细腻换人策略 4.决胜时刻的控场与信任（20:00–40:00） 不只打出战术，更打出信任感——Obi、Siakam、Nemhard 如何在关键时刻接管比赛 5.信念的力量与天命的呼唤（40:00–1:08:08） 这不是一次奇蹟，而是一种宿命——溜马的逆转哲学与球队精神总结 原文与翻译开始 : 0:00 英文："The Indiana Pacers were down 108 to 92 when Rick Carlisle called a timeout with 7:22 to play in the fourth quarter." 印第安那溜马在第四节剩下7分22秒时，以92比108落後，这时总教练Rick Carlisle请求 暂停。 0:07 英文："After breaking from the huddle his team went on to outscore the New York Knicks 46-27 while erasing a 14-point lead in the final three minutes of regulation to pull off an all-time stunner in overtime." 暂停结束後，溜马队开始反扑，在正规时间最後三分钟内抹平14分落差，并在延长赛中以 总计46比27的攻势击败纽约尼克，完成史诗级的逆转。 0:14 英文："Their mission, as they chose to accept it, featured not only rapid and timely shot-making as they quite literally bounced back in the clutch, but also rapid and timely substitution patterns that likewise met the moment to propel them forward to a 1-0 series lead." 他们所接受的任务，不仅是在关键时刻展现惊人的准度与即时出手，更透过精准果断的换 人操作，成功将节奏推进，拿下系列赛第一场胜利、取得1比0领先。 0:20 英文："Here to help find the plot to an ending that was seemingly both strategic and stratospheric: Samson Folk." 而今天来一起解析这场堪称战术与天命交织的比赛结局的是：Samson Folk。 0:44 英文："I almost don't have words. Although I always have words, I almost have none for what the Pacers continue to do." 我几乎说不出话。虽然我总是能言善道，但对於溜马的持续表现，我几乎语塞。 0:50 英文："I think being up seven against the Pacers must feel like being in a long hallway in a horror movie." 我想对上溜马并领先7分，大概就像是身处恐怖电影中那条永无止境的长廊。 1:02 英文："Everyone watching understands the inevitability of what's about to happen, but you just have to try and eek your way out of it, and somehow that hand always finds the ankle and drags you back." 所有观众都能感觉到即将发生的不可避免，你只能试着挣脱，但最後总是有只手抓住你的 脚踝，把你拖回来。 1:15 英文："Okay I love the term and inverting it — you know, stealing defeat from the jaws of victory... Stealing victory from the jaws of defeat." 我很喜欢这句话，而且把它颠倒过来很棒——从胜利边缘偷来败北，现在是从败局边缘偷 走胜利。 1:20 英文："I've never seen a team so talented and led by their star man who apparently was 12 of 14 on to-win or to-tie shots in the last what, two minutes this season." 我从没看过一支球队如此有天分，由他们的王牌带领，据说这赛季在最後两分钟出手追平 或超前的投篮中命中率高达14投12中。 1:26 英文："It is like everyone went and did it. It is almost incalculable." 好像所有人都参与了这场奇蹟，几乎难以用数据衡量。 1:40 英文："Michael Pena had a great piece on The Ringer today where he said 'Yeah, by the way, the win probability was 0.0% at one point in time because it had... it was unprecedented. It had never happened.'" Michael Pena今天在《The Ringer》的文章写得很好，他提到：「对了，溜马在某一时刻 的胜率是0.0%，因为这在历史上从未发生过。」 1:50 英文："And then it did happen. And it happened after bouncing off the back iron, ballooning up to the rafters and dropping down like the Phantom of the Opera." 但它真的发生了！那球从篮框後沿弹起，高高抛向球馆顶端，最後又如同《歌剧魅影》般 缓缓落下。 2:03 英文："And Tyrese again — he's below the free throw line, and he's like 'I will sprint my ass back behind the three-point line and launch.' And it goes in again." 然後是Tyrese，他当时站在罚球线下方，却仍决定冲回三分线外出手，而球又进了。 2:21 英文："It goes in. It always goes in. That's why I'm not wearing a tank top. I had to wear the sweater because it was the coldest I've ever seen." 球进了，它总是会进。这也是为什麽我今天没穿背心，而是穿了毛衣，因为这是我看过最 冰冷的命中率——冷静到极点。 2:28 英文："And Aaron Nesmith hit six threes in a row." Aaron Nesmith居然连进六颗三分球。 2:35 英文："It's Vanderbilt again. He shot like 52% at Vanderbilt on almost eight attempts per game in his sophomore season. And it's just money counting." 这就像回到Vanderbilt大学时期。他在大二赛季三分命中率高达52%，场均出手近8次。现 在就是数钱的节奏。 2:47 英文："This team — oh yeah I have words obviously — but oh my god Caitlin. Oh my god." 这支球队——对，我当然还是有话可说——但天啊Caitlin，真的太夸张了。 2:56 英文："The knee thing — I mean, I've come to expect this from Tyrese and I've come to expect to see him dribble at bigs and back out to the right wing, making a beeline and be able to make those types of shots." 说到那个膝盖的事——我是说，我现在已经习惯Tyrese这样的表现了，我也预期会看到他 面对大个子时先运球切入再撤到右侧底角，笔直冲刺後命中那种困难的出手。 3:01 英文："I've never seen one bounce in. You've seen some game-winning bouncing shots. Playing tag, Caitlin. He..." 我从没看过那种球也能弹进去。你当然看过那些赢球关键时刻的幸运弹跳球，像在玩你追 我跑的游戏，Caitlin，他…… 3:17 英文："Yeah, anyway, that being said, what Aaron Nesmith was doing — I have not personally seen him going six of six during the stretch of play and not just spotting up from a standstill." 对，总之，说到这点，Aaron Nesmith那波表现我真没见过。他六投六中，而且不只是站 着投而已。 3:23 英文："He's shooting off of movement. He's hitting pull-ups off of multiple dribbles. Then he's spotting up. Then he's hitting a one-dribble lateral three where he's throwing it out into space after coming off a pin-down." 他是在移动中出手，也能在多次运球後跳投，然後再转为定点投篮。他甚至在绕过掩护後 用一个横向运球制造空间，然後投进三分。 3:34 英文："He went four of four on threes with at least one dribble just during this stretch of play." 在这段比赛中，他带球出手的三分球四投全中。 3:46 英文："What people need to know about that is — in this playoff run, he went one of four on dribble threes." 大家必须知道，在这次季後赛整体而言，他的带球三分命中率是四投一中。 3:54 英文："Last year in the playoffs — the entirety of the playoffs — one of ten on dribble threes." 去年整个季後赛，他的带球三分是十投一中。 4:00 英文："This year during the regular season up until this point, 85.7% of his threes were attempted without a dribble." 本季至今，他的三分出手有85.7%是完全不带球的定点投。 4:05 英文："And this was something that I talked about. Somebody was like, 'Well, who might be a regression candidate, a progression candidate with their shooting in the playoffs?'" 这是我之前提到的事。有人问：「你觉得谁会在季後赛投篮表现进步或退步？」 4:11 英文："I was like, 'It could possibly be Nesmith, just because he still hasn't really developed the ability to recapture his rhythm with one-dribble side-step threes when he's seeing those hard closeouts.'" 我说：「可能是Nesmith，因为他还没真正学会怎麽在面对强硬补防时，用带球侧步找回 节奏。」 4:17 英文："Well, what worked in his favor up until this point, which I did some math on in the paywalled piece that I wrote over the weekend in the preview..." 不过，有件事对他很有利，我在周末预览时的会员专文里有算过…… 4:22 英文："...is that because Nembhard has been running so much pick and roll through these first three series, a lot of teams have been hiding their smaller defenders on Nesmith instead." 因为Nembhard在前三轮打了大量挡拆，许多球队索性把防守矮小球员的任务交给Nesmith 。 4:28 英文："Hence, Brunson was also guarding Nesmith in this matchup." 因此这场比赛Brunson也是防守Nesmith的人。 4:35 英文："I was like, 'That could continue, because he has a size advantage on almost everybody that has been guarding him in the playoffs.'" 我认为这情况可能会持续，因为他对位的大多数人他都有身材优势。 4:41 英文："He's hit a ton of contested shots — and they're contested in terms of the position of the body, not necessarily in terms of the contest." 他投进了很多遭遇干扰的投篮——那种「干扰」是对手的站位，不一定真的封到他的手。 4:46 英文："When last season, he was being guarded by Khris Middleton, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum..." 去年，他的对手可是Khris Middleton、Jaylen Brown和Jayson Tatum…… 4:54 英文："Well in this game by the end of it he is being guarded by wings and bigs admittedly with some very confused coverages at times but still this is not a person who has been hitting self-created threes really at any point in his career and suddenly he just becomes completely unstoppable." 但在这场比赛结尾时，他的对位者变成了侧翼甚至是内线球员，虽然对手的防守轮转有些 混乱，但重点是这位球员以前根本没有在比赛中展现过自行创造三分出手的能力，结果突 然之间他就变得无法阻挡了。 5:07 英文："Do you want the Star Wars reference? I mean, I'm probably not going to get it, but you feel free." 你想听《星际大战》的比喻吗？我是可能不会懂，但你尽管说。 5:14 英文："Han and the crew are running away from people in a spaceship. They're running away from the Empire. They're like 'Oh my god, we're going to die.'" Han Solo和夥伴们正驾着太空船逃离敌人，他们逃离银河帝国，一边喊着：「天啊，我们 要死了！」 5:21 英文："They find refuge in a cave. This is — the cave is Brunson." 他们躲进一个山洞，而这里的「山洞」就是Brunson。 5:26 英文："The cave turned out to be a ginormous space monster that they've driven into the belly of and awakened." 但那山洞其实是只巨大的太空怪兽，他们误闯牠的肚子并把牠唤醒了。 5:32 英文："Suddenly the danger is more intense and real than what came before. Nesmith — oh my god, dude." 突然之间，眼前的危险比原本的敌人还要可怕。Nesmith——我的天啊，兄弟。 5:38 英文："The awake — like, this is like the dragon metamorphosis. To do a Poké mon reference on top of my Star Wars reference." 他觉醒了——这简直像是龙型态的蜕变。让我再来个宝可梦的比喻。 5:50 英文："This is like Magikarp to Gyarados. He's like, 'Oh yeah, I'm not doing much.' Boom — 'I'm doing everything. The game runs through me, man.'" 这就像鲤鱼王进化成暴鲤龙。一开始他像是「我没什麽贡献」，结果下一秒就变成「我什 麽都能做，整场比赛围着我转」。 6:03 英文："I just — I don't even know how to react to it. But the fact of the matter is — and I told you this before we hopped on..." 我真的不知道该怎麽反应。但事实就是——我在录音前就跟你说过…… 6:09 英文："I said that this was seemingly both strategic in terms of how they were shapeshifting down the stretch and stratospheric in terms of the shot-making." 我说这场比赛的後段，溜马队在战术上展现出形态变化的弹性，而在投篮命中率上则是达 到了超凡的高度。 6:32 英文："I would have knees, Tyrese obviously, and then this is very contrary to my usual takes..." 我会先选Tyrese毫无疑问，但接下来这点其实跟我平常的看法完全相反…… 6:38 英文："...because I have a saying where I think that coaches are very similar to jockeys and that horses win races." 因为我一直认为教练就像是骑师，真正赢比赛的是马。 6:45 英文："Jockeys can certainly help or hinder, but the horse wins the race. I often think that with players." 骑师可以帮忙或拖累，但真正冲线的是马。我经常套用这个比喻在球员身上。 6:50 英文："But I think that Rick really outmaneuvered the New York Knicks over the last 12 minutes of this game." 但我认为在这场比赛最後12分钟，Rick Carlisle彻底在战术上压制了纽约尼克。 6:56 英文："Like, severely evasive maneuvers." 他的调度简直就像高阶闪避战术一样精准。 7:02 英文："He has had — like it's just the levers that he has pulled is so impressive." 他掌握的每个操纵杆都拉得恰到好处，让人印象深刻。 7:08 英文："And every single one of these is just like knowing when to do it." 而且每一个决定都是在对的时间点下达。 7:16 英文："However, Rick did have that incredible quote at the end of the presser last night where he said, you know, 'NBA players can do amazing things.'" 不过Rick在昨晚赛後记者会讲了一句非常有力的话，他说：「NBA球员能做出惊人的事情 。」 7:23 英文："And like, it's the harmony of Rick getting that brain going at a million miles per hour and then the stratospheric shot making that you said." 这就是Rick脑袋以每小时百万英哩运转，与你所说那种突破天际的投篮表现所形成的完美 协奏。 7:28 英文："Impressive. Are you willing to look at Mission Improbable to see all the different things that changed for the Pacers over the last 12 minutes?" 太令人惊艳了。你愿不愿意一起来检视这场「不可能任务」，看看溜马在最後12分钟做出 了哪些变化？ 7:35 英文："I would love to look at Mission Improbable. Everybody's gonna have to bear with me here. There's a lot to go over." 我非常愿意一起检视这场不可能任务。大家请见谅，我接下来要讲的内容非常多。 7:46 英文："So the Pacers take a timeout at the 7:22 mark, which is where I wanted to pick up." 比赛在剩下7分22秒时溜马喊了暂停，我想从这里开始讲起。 7:52 英文："About a minute and a half later they had put Sheppard in for Nesmith because Nesmith had four fouls. Nembhard also had four fouls at this point in time." 大约一分半後，Nesmith因为犯满四次被换下，由Sheppard替补上场。此时Nembhard也有 四次犯规。 7:58 英文："They're running — the Knicks have, you know, a baseline out-of-bounds play here." 这时尼克队准备执行底线发球战术。 8:05 英文："And what I think was telling is that Tyrese is guarding Josh Hart, but he literally is pointing at Ben Sheppard and is like 'Tag me out of this.'" 值得注意的是，Tyrese原本在守Josh Hart，但他直接指着Ben Sheppard，意思是：「换 我下来，让我退出这个对位。」 8:10 英文："Because he sees the alignment, thinks they're going to run a screen-the-screener action between Josh Hart and OG, and he wants out of it." 因为他看见对方的站位，预判他们要跑一个掩护掩护者的战术，由Josh Hart与OG Anunoby合作，他不想卷入这个掩护链。 8:17 英文："So he tells Ben Sheppard to take it, so that Nembhard and Josh Hart could potentially switch on that, or Nembhard and Ben Sheppard could potentially switch on that action." 所以他请Ben Sheppard去守，这样Nembhard可以跟Josh Hart或是Sheppard轮转防守这个 掩护。 8:23 英文："The Knicks rejected it and OG just went out to the corner and then Nembhard chases him off the line and ends up taking that charge." 结果尼克放弃这套战术，OG跑到底角，Nembhard紧追不舍，最後成功制造进攻犯规。 8:29 英文："So notably, if you paid attention there, the Knicks are playing Deuce McBride, Josh Hart, OG Anunoby, Mitchell Robinson, and Karl-Anthony Towns." 如果你有注意的话，此时尼克在场上的五人是Deuce McBride、Josh Hart、OG Anunoby、 Mitchell Robinson和Karl-Anthony Towns。 8:35 英文："A big lineup, which meant that Nembhard during these minutes had to guard OG at the three while Nesmith was on the bench." 这是个高大阵容，代表在这段时间里Nembhard必须顶上防守小前锋OG，因为Nesmith正在 板凳上。 8:42 英文："So Rick went to Ben Sheppard predominantly here during this particular stretch because he wanted somebody to pressure the heck out of the ball when Deuce McBride was bringing it up." 所以Rick在这段期间主要使用Ben Sheppard，是因为他需要一个能对Deuce McBride带球 推进施加强大压力的防守者。 8:49 英文："And that's what Ben Sheppard's task is. And as I said, Nembhard on OG Anunoby." 这就是Ben Sheppard的任务。就像我刚刚说的，Nembhard则去防守OG Anunoby。 9:00 英文："They're trying to get Nembhard back involved because they know that Nembhard is in foul trouble as well." 他们试图让Nembhard重新进入战术轮转，因为他也正陷入犯规麻烦。 9:06 英文："Unfortunately for Nembhard they immediately end up going to Karl-Anthony Towns as the screener and then he has to veer when he snatches back down onto Kat." 不幸的是，尼克立刻让Karl-Anthony Towns担任掩护者，Nembhard必须重新补位回到防守 Towns的位置。 9:12 英文："That ends up being Nembhard's fifth foul. So he has to come out." 结果这一回合让Nembhard吞下第五次犯规，只好被换下场。 9:18 英文："Then at the other end, this is when we get into — Nesmith just turns into — he makes literally every shot that he takes." 接着换到进攻端，这时候Nesmith开始爆发，他几乎每次出手都命中。 9:24 英文："It's ghost flare action coming off the screen. And tellingly again, want to point out that Jalen Brunson was guarding Aaron Nesmith from the start of the game." 那是一个假掩护转外弹的战术。值得再次指出的是，从比赛一开始Jalen Brunson就是在 防守Aaron Nesmith。 9:30 英文："Was guarding Nesmith for most of this game. And the Pacers made a very purposeful effort to constantly make him be guarding through offball actions and on ball actions which we'll touch on a little bit later." 大部分时间他都盯着Nesmith。而溜马非常刻意地设计了许多无球与持球的战术，让 Brunson无时无刻都处於防守压力之下，这点我们稍後会再提到。 9:36 英文："But the Pacers are picking up full court. And if you look right there, Aaron Nesmith is pointing to get Ben Sheppard because he wants Ben Sheppard to take Jalen Brunson instead of him." 但溜马这时开始全场压迫防守。你可以看到Nesmith在指着Ben Sheppard，因为他希望 Sheppard去防Brunson，自己不要再对到他。 9:43 英文："Because he knows that he is in foul trouble and also so that they can use Aaron Nesmith as an offball defender." 因为他知道自己陷入犯规麻烦，同时这样也能让他在场上担任无球协防角色。 9:48 英文："And I know you're going to have some numbers to share here on Ben Sheppard in just a minute because Ben Sheppard is, as we mentioned, guarding Jalen Brunson." 我知道你等一下会有一些数据要分享，因为Ben Sheppard此时正在防守Jalen Brunson。 9:53 英文："He's going to dribble right off of that pick. And something that I don't know if you're going to remember — but you and I talked about this briefly in the semi-finals last year." 他会运球绕过掩护。我不确定你还记不记得，我们去年在准决赛时曾简短谈过这件事。 10:00 英文："That I thought of all of the Pacer defenders — that while Ben Sheppard has a very low blow-by rate, his contests don't always have much effect especially if he's playing against a more physical guard that can create separation." 我当时认为，在所有溜马防守者中，Ben Sheppard虽然被过的比率很低，但他的干扰效果 不强，尤其面对那些能够创造空间的强壮後卫时。 10:09 英文："Brunson definitely fits that bill. However, the one thing that Ben Sheppard did that I thought was better than everybody else a year ago..." 而Brunson绝对符合这种球员特徵。不过有件事Sheppard做得比其他人好，那就是…… 10:16 英文："...was that he consistently tried to force him back to his right and into the help on the right side of the floor, rather than repeatedly letting him get downhill to his left." 他会持续地强迫Brunson往右走，把他引导到右侧的协防区域，而不是让他不断地用惯用 左手切入。 10:23 英文："So Samson, if you want to talk over the top of this about what you told me beforehand, feel free." 所以Samson，如果你想补充一下你先前跟我提过的观点，请尽管说。 10:27 英文："Yeah, so obviously we understand Sheppard is the best contain defender on the team." 没错，显而易见的是，Sheppard是溜马队中最擅长封阻切入的防守者。 10:31 英文："And like, he does have those limitations and he's not incredibly adept at disrupting shooters with his contests." 当然他也有一些限制，他的防守干扰对於射手来说并不是特别有威胁力。 10:36 英文："However, coming into Sheppard checking in and taking that assignment — not only dogging him full court..." 但Sheppard一上场就接下了这个任务，不只是全场紧逼盯防Brunson…… 10:40 英文："...but Brunson had taken like 25 shots to that point roughly, and four of them had come from farther out than 14 feet." 而且到当时为止，Brunson大概出手了25次，其中只有4次是14英尺以上的投篮。 10:46 英文："Like, he was penetrating the paint repeatedly. His shotmaking in the middle is incredible." 他一次又一次地切入禁区，他在中距离的得分能力真的很可怕。 10:51 英文："But what Sheppard was able to do immediately — and keep in mind Brunson made six consecutive shots, five of them off the drive before this..." 但Sheppard当时立刻做出的改变——你要知道在那之前，Brunson连进六球，其中五球都 是靠切入得分—— 10:57 英文："...Sheppard immediately changed Brunson's shot diet into three straight stepbacks." Sheppard直接把Brunson的出手模式转变成三次连续的後撤步跳投。 11:02 英文："And we know that like over the course of a series, Brunson is probably going to shoot okay on stepbacks." 我们知道整个系列赛下来，Brunson的後撤步跳投命中率应该还不错。 11:06 英文："Brunson is probably going to shoot all right and even with a contest from Sheppard..." 即使Sheppard有干扰，Brunson可能也还是能稳定投进。 11:10 英文："...but changing that shot diet late in the game — completely changing — and keeping the shell alive for the Pacers..." 但在比赛末段能够彻底改变他的出手方式，维持住溜马的防守壳层， 11:15 英文："...so that they can push better going forward, so that they can set up their offense better out of defensive stops..." 让球队能有更好的快攻起手式，也能透过防守成功更有效地转换进攻， 11:21 英文："...and so that they can rebound better because they're not rotating everywhere else." 同时也让他们能更稳定抓下防守篮板，因为不用再不停轮转补位。 11:27 英文："The breakdown — or I guess the ripple effect — of putting him in, despite a really great step back three from Brunson, despite getting to the line..." 即便Brunson後撤步三分命中，甚至有上罚球线的机会，把Sheppard放上场所产生的效益 与连锁反应仍然非常关键—— 11:33 英文："It's just like — and he did blow by him for a layup the one time — it was really, really impressive work from Sheppard." 虽然Brunson有一次突破Sheppard上篮得手，但Sheppard整体的表现还是非常非常出色。 11:40 英文："And it's — it's not going to be the answer the whole series, but in this game, not like pressing the Brunson button on offense..." 这当然不会是整个系列赛的万灵丹，但在这场比赛中，没有让Brunson主导进攻， 11:46 英文："...along with the blistering shooting, was what won them the game offensively and in overtime especially." 再加上疯狂的投篮命中率，是他们能在正规赛尾声与延长赛逆转胜出的关键。 11:51 英文："Sheppard slowing him down so that the Pacers could keep pace and surpass it is a really underrated facet of what happened here." Sheppard成功让Brunson慢下来，使溜马能够维持节奏、甚至反超，这一点其实被很多人 低估了。 11:57 英文："Sheppard was, in my mind, sublime. This is — like Brunson is such a special scorer that I'm looking at Sheppard here as like..." 在我看来，Sheppard的表现堪称完美。Brunson是个如此特别的得分手，而Sheppard的防 守…… 12:03 英文："This is Iguodala against LeBron. LeBron is putting up historic numbers, and they give Iguodala Finals MVP because it's like..." 这就像Iguodala防守LeBron的总冠军赛。LeBron虽然数据爆炸，但Iguodala还是拿了FMVP ，因为…… 12:09 英文："Hey, you actually slowed him down. And I thought Sheppard was great for this stretch." 「嘿，你真的把他限制住了。」我觉得Sheppard在这段时间表现极佳。 12:15 英文："Yeah, because I thought it was equal parts searching and wanting to rapid-fire show Brunson a lot of different defenders in this game." 对，因为我觉得这场比赛一部分是试验，一部分是有意快速频繁地用不同防守者轮流对付 Brunson。 12:23 英文："But if we're being frank, like TJ and Bennedict Mathurin struggled a lot in that match." 但说实话，像TJ和Bennedict Mathurin在这场比赛中的表现真的非常挣扎。 12:29 英文："TJ had a bit of a reputation for being a Brunson stopper from the series last year." TJ去年系列赛中曾被认为是Brunson克星。 12:33 英文："And when you really looked at those possessions and the numbers — and oftentimes he was switching off of Brunson on screens..." 但当你仔细看那些回合与数据时，其实他经常在掩护发生时就换防离开Brunson了…… 12:39 英文："...whereas they were having Nembhard do show-and-recover type of stuff when screening actions came." 反观Nembhard则是要执行「展开後回复」的防守方式来应对掩护。 12:45 英文："He wasn't switching off. So the numbers looked worse for Nembhard than what they did for TJ." 他并不会直接换防，所以数据上看起来对Nembhard比较不利，反而TJ好像表现更好。 12:51 英文："And also, TJ just isn't the same caliber of point-of-attack defender a year later than what he was back then." 此外，TJ如今的防守强度也已经不如一年前了，无法再像之前那样主动压制对方持球。 12:57 英文："So obviously some of the stuff between TJ and Thomas Bryant in the first half was troublesome enough..." 所以很明显，在上半场TJ和Thomas Bryant的防守表现就已经造成不少问题…… 13:03 英文："...that they ended up like, 'Let's try Bennedict Mathurin,' and then it felt like any time that the Knicks ran a stack-out action..." 最後他们决定：「那试试看Bennedict Mathurin吧」，结果尼克队每次跑一个堆叠式掩护 战术， 13:09 英文："...that was just going to be automatic to what you're pointing out — that he was going to get downhill with his left." 就像你说的，Brunson总是能轻松用左手切入，几乎变成自动得分了。 13:15 英文："Like that's what was going to happen. Benn took some troublesome angles." 这根本就是预设剧本。Mathurin的防守角度很不理想。 13:18 英文："I'm honest enough to say I tweeted during the game that I wanted Jarace to get a look..." 我诚实地说，我在比赛当下还发推说我希望能给Jarace Walker一次上场的机会…… 13:23 英文："...just because I'm like, 'How much worse can this be at this point in time with what the coverage was and some of what the effort was?'" 因为我当时想的是：「防守轮转已经这麽乱、努力度又这麽低，让Jarace上会更糟吗？」 13:29 英文："But they went with Sheppard in part because at the beginning they wanted him on Deuce McBride..." 但他们还是选择派上Sheppard，一开始是想让他去守Deuce McBride…… 13:34 英文："...and then also like you were talking about how important it was — it was because Nembhard had picked up five fouls, Nesmith toying with foul trouble..." 而且就像你刚刚提到的，Nembhard已经五犯，Nesmith也有犯规危机，这让Sheppard变得 更加重要。 13:41 英文："...like if he picks up an extra foul because Sheppard doesn't take those possessions, is he out there in the game to be making his six of six threes that he ends up going off for?" 如果那些回合不是由Sheppard去防，而是Nesmith硬上，结果多吞一次犯规，那他後来还 有机会命中六颗三分球吗？ 13:48 英文："Potentially not." 可能根本没机会了。 13:51 英文："And then as it turns out — oh, yep. Go ahead." 然後後来发展也证明这决定是正确的——喔，继续。 13:54 英文："Also like, it's not just Nesmith, but Nembhard as well, who they're searching for." 还有，不只是Nesmith，他们也刻意去针对Nembhard。 13:58 英文："Nembhard was incredibly important down the stretch offensively because he was the weapon they used to attack Brunson." Nembhard在比赛末段进攻端非常关键，因为他就是溜马用来攻击Brunson的武器。 14:05 英文："And he, like, in a lot of the actions — and like when he was able to get him on that layup, when he's able to cut off — it's just..." 他在很多战术中都能成功击中目标，例如那次切入上篮，就是他成功切断防线的结果—— 14:11 英文："Spoiler alert, we're going to get to it." 先预告一下，我们等下会详细谈这一球。 14:14 英文："Okay, we're going to get to it. So the Knicks have gone back to their regular starters at this point in time with under three minutes to play." 好的，等下会讲。此时比赛进入最後三分钟内，尼克重新派上他们的主力先发。 14:20 英文："The Pacers, not all their regular starters. We still have Ben Sheppard." 但溜马并未全换回先发阵容，Ben Sheppard仍然在场上。 14:24 英文："And they put Obi Toppin in because the Pacers were basically like, 'You know, neither team is necessarily really stopping each other at this point.'" 而且他们换上了Obi Toppin，因为溜马的想法是：「此刻双方的防守都没什麽效果。」 14:30 英文："Miles had some struggles outside of the first quarter, and especially later on — which we can talk about later." Miles Turner在第一节之後表现挣扎，特别是後段——这我们稍後可以讨论。 14:35 英文："But they basically go to, you know, 'Let's get Karl-Anthony Towns in action — empty side between Obi and Tyrese.'" 但他们的进攻变成：「让Karl-Anthony Towns进入战术核心，跑一个Obi和Tyrese的清边 配合。」 14:41 英文："And it felt like Tyrese was going to be able to get to pretty much anything he wanted out of that, especially with how many screen rejections he got." 而这一套感觉Tyrese可以随心所欲操作，尤其他在这段时间已经多次拒绝掩护（screen rejection）成功突击。 14:46 英文："But after Nesmith had caught Jalen Brunson on that off-ball ghost flare action, the Knicks switch Brunson off of him and were like, 'Let's put him on Ben Sheppard.'" 但当Nesmith在一次无球假掩护时抓到Brunson後，尼克队选择让Brunson不再防守他，改 去守Ben Sheppard。 14:52 英文："So then very tellingly — unlike regular season games that I had watched this year and playoff games last year — it was automatically, 'Okay, Sheppard's the screener now.'" 所以很明显地——和我这季看到的例行赛或去年的季後赛不同——他们马上决定：「好， 那就让Sheppard当掩护者。」 14:59 英文："I don't think I've ever seen Sheppard as a roll man find an open shooter maintaining two feet on the perimeter also." 我好像从没看过Sheppard当挡拆顺下者时，还能在三分线外稳定站好、找到空档射手。 15:05 英文："Yeah, like just Sheppard like showing to the ball, catching Tyrese making the read, scanning, finding — like what a play, dude." 对啊，Sheppard真的很会埋位接球，然後Tyrese做阅读、防守扫描、传球，真是一个漂亮 的战术执行。 15:11 英文："So then they end up trying a few timely doubles, which I actually liked against Brunson — especially in the minutes when Mitchell Robinson wasn't on the floor with them." 接着他们开始对Brunson进行几次适时的包夹，我其实蛮喜欢这个选择——尤其是在 Mitchell Robinson不在场的时候。 15:17 英文："After they were no longer double big, because the re-offensive rebounding threat wasn't as great — where at least it's deeper into the clock..." 因为当对方不再使用双塔阵时，他们的进攻篮板威胁就没那麽大了，这也让时间更能拖进 攻秒数末端…… 15:22 英文："...and then when you have Nesmith off ball, he can dig down and help." 这样一来，Nesmith也可以从弱边协防进来做挖球干扰。 15:26 英文："I mean, it helped that Karl-Anthony Towns missed that three, but that was something that they also mixed in." 当然也刚好Karl-Anthony Towns那球三分没进，不过这种防守调整本身就是他们战术混搭 的一环。 15:30 英文："And then by the end of it — I think this ends up being Sheppard's last possession." 最後这回合应该是Sheppard在场上的最後一次防守。 15:34 英文："And like I said, they go to that stack-out and it felt like Brunson was going to get downhill to his left about just about anybody." 正如我刚才所说，他们又跑了堆叠掩护战术，Brunson看起来又要对谁都可以轻松往左切 入了。 15:39 英文："Because they were trying to use a show with Tyrese, then he's backing out even against Josh Hart." 因为他们试着让Tyrese去做延展干扰，但Brunson即使是面对Josh Hart仍然可以後撤创造 空间。 15:43 英文："And there he even got to his left against Sheppard to get to the rim — but that was the one possession where that happened." 而在那球中，他甚至连对Sheppard都能切左手到篮下——但那是整场唯一一次。 15:48 英文："They left Sheppard in for this last offensive possession, which was another, you know, strategic type move..." 他们在最後一波进攻时仍保留Sheppard在场上，这又是一个战术层面的调度…… 15:54 英文："...because Nembhard’s in the foul trouble and because TJ had the type of game that TJ had." 因为Nembhard犯规麻烦，TJ也在这场比赛表现不佳。 15:58 英文："There's no secondary ball handler on the floor anymore at this point in time." 这个时间点场上已经没有第二持球点了。 16:01 英文："So a rare instance of Siakam as the bring-up ball handler going in and creating space with contact out of a pitch action for Nesmith..." 所以难得让Siakam来主控推进，透过handoff掩护与碰撞创造空间给Nesmith…… 16:07 英文："...to have this much space then against OG Anunoby to pull up at the top of the key." 让Nesmith在对位OG Anunoby时於弧顶获得这麽多空档，并完成跳投。 16:13 英文："I don't know what the Knicks were doing with some of the soft switching if I'm being completely honest." 老实说我不知道尼克那些松散的换防到底在搞什麽。 16:17 英文："Like I talk about the switch pocket a lot and how that became a very early way that Tyrese was attacking..." 我以前常提到那种「换防空隙」的打法，这一直是Tyrese早期进攻的方式之一…… 16:22 英文："...how more and more teams were switching against him — when the players back off there's always that little bit of space." 随着越来越多球队对他采取换防策略，只要对手稍微退一步，就总会留下那一点空隙。 16:28 英文："The Knicks were giving Aaron Nesmith a lot of space with some of their switches that was happening." 而尼克这场比赛的换防，真的给了Aaron Nesmith太多空间。 16:32 英文："So another — they thought the game was over, you know — and that game had been over comment." 他们可能以为比赛已经结束了，就像那句：「这场比赛早就该结束了。」 16:36 英文："That game had been over 977 times in a row with those same qualifications." 按照相同条件来看，那场比赛应该已经结束了977次了。 16:41 英文："And also as you say like Pascal, that flip play — which he ran a million times with Fred VanVleet in Toronto and vice versa..." 而且就像你说的，Pascal那个hand-off反跑战术——他以前在多伦多和Fred VanVleet配 合过无数次…… 16:47 英文："Also like, there's a play before that where Brunson is on Nesmith again and they're playing basically drop..." 还有前面那一球，Brunson又在防守Nesmith，他们基本上是在打退防(drop coverage)... 16:52 英文："...and Pascal runs a handoff with Nesmith going into the left wing. He hits the three there too." 然後Pascal做了一个handoff，Nesmith往左侧绕出接球，然後又命中三分。 16:58 英文："It's just — they gave him entirely too much space, and when they — like as it shook out at the end of the game..." 他们真的给了他太多空间，而比赛结尾也印证了…… 17:03 英文："...the Knicks were not, I think, persistent enough in trying to protect Brunson and he got cooked alive out there." 我觉得尼克没有坚持要保护Brunson，结果他整个被打爆了。 17:09 英文："It was search and destroy, and it was valuable to do it because he was playing with five fouls as well in addition to what his defense was." 这就是「搜寻并摧毁」式进攻，而这麽做很有价值，因为Brunson那时已经五犯，防守又 很糟。 17:16 英文："But you say that the Knicks started playing not to lose, essentially." 你也提到，尼克开始打得「不求赢，只求不输」。 17:20 英文："That's what stood out to me. Like here, Brunson catches the ball on the sideline out-of-bounds play — like attack." 这点让我很有感。像这球，Brunson从边线界外球接球——应该要马上进攻才对。 17:26 英文："They were a little bit hesitant here. Then OG ends up messing up that play." 但他们这边却犹豫了，然後OG搞砸了这个战术。 17:30 英文："But it's like — you could have gone up by even more. Then they end up reviewing it — ends up being Pacers ball." 但他们本来可以再把分数拉开的。结果还挑战重播，最後球权归溜马。 17:36 英文："Now they have the ball back, and that's when they run that pin-down between Obi and Aaron Nesmith where I about lost my mind..." 然後溜马拿回球权，就跑了那个Obi跟Nesmith的pin-down，我那时差点抓狂…… 17:43 英文："...when he threw the ball uphill to make that three." 因为Nesmith竟然朝上坡线投了那颗三分。 17:46 英文："I have never seen — I don't think I've ever seen Nesmith throw the ball along the arc into a three-point shot." 我从没看过Nesmith这样沿着弧线向上空抛出手投三分。 17:51 英文："Now we're back in overtime, and the Pacers tried to put Myles Turner back in the game — wait, and are we not going to look at Tyrese's shot?" 现在回到延长赛，溜马尝试把Myles Turner换上——等等，我们不来看看Tyrese那球吗？ 17:58 英文："I have Tyrese's shot as a separate clip. I was going to ask you a fun question about it." 我把Tyrese那球切成独立片段，我本来想问你一个有趣的问题。 18:03 英文："Okay, wait — go ahead." 好吧，等等——你先说。 18:06 英文："So Myles is back in at the start of overtime, and what you can see from Brunson is he's just point-switching out of everything off-ball..." 所以延长赛一开始Myles重新上场，你会发现Brunson对所有无球掩护都在指挥换防…… 18:12 英文："...like he didn't want any part of it. And then they end up getting that shot for Myles — believe he took that shot." 他根本不想参与防守。後来球给到Myles，应该是他出手的那一球。 18:17 英文："Yeah, I mean, he was a little bit jittery to start. He did get the block in the overtime, but there was a reason why they ended up going back to Obi." 对啊，他一开始看起来有点紧张，虽然他在延长赛有个火锅，但後来他们还是改用Obi是 有原因的。 18:23 英文："But the Knicks try to go to that wedge roll — and what I thought was interesting here is the Pacers switched the wedge roll..." 而尼克这边想跑wedge roll（侧翼挡拆），有趣的是溜马直接换防这个战术…… 18:29 英文："...which put Nesmith onto Karl-Anthony Towns in the overtime." 这样一来，在延长赛中Nesmith就防到了Karl-Anthony Towns。 18:33 英文："And when we did the preview, we talked about like — is Nesmith going to guard Brunson? Is he going to guard Towns?" 我们之前在预览时讨论过：Nesmith到底会去守Brunson还是Towns？ 18:38 英文："They weren’t outright switching that purposefully, but it was somewhat telling to me that if Nesmith did need to guard Towns..." 他们虽然没有一开始就这样设定换防，但这个场面对我来说很有指标性，因为如果 Nesmith真的得守Towns…… 18:44 英文："...and they wanted to go double on those actions — that when the starters are on the floor, they basically just completely ignored Josh Hart in the weakside corner..." 而他们又想在这些战术中进行包夹，那在先发阵容都在场上的情况下，他们乾脆就完全无 视弱边底角的Josh Hart…… 18:51 英文："...when OG was the cutter. And then that’s — that’s the outcome that you’re hoping for: Josh Hart taking a semi-contested three." 当OG当切入者时，这样的结果就是你梦寐以求的：让Josh Hart投一颗半干扰的三分。 18:57 英文："So it did leave me some questions that we’ll get to later about how viable that could be if they need to go to something else." 所以这让我对未来如果他们得采用其他方案时，这样的做法到底能不能持续奏效，产生了 一些疑问。 19:03 英文："But then like you talked about — it just becomes like Nembhard knows Brunson has five fouls..." 但正如你说的，接下来的重点就是——Nembhard知道Brunson五犯了…… 19:07 英文："...so why not just attack him head-on with your little hesitation step as Nembhard likes to do in order to get to the rim." 那就用Nembhard最擅长的小晃步直接正面攻击他，切进禁区。 19:13 英文："Brunson is looking really fatigued to me at this point in time with how much the Pacers have asked of him..." 这个时间点Brunson看起来真的很疲惫，因为溜马整场对他施加了太多压力…… 19:18 英文："...as well as how much the Knicks’ offense was asking of him." 而且尼克的进攻体系也完全仰赖他。 19:21 英文："They didn’t get anything out of that turnover directly, but I just think you can kind of tell that there’s some lag at this point in time." 那次失误虽然没有直接转换成得分，但你可以明显看出他体力已经有些跟不上了。 19:27 英文："And now just Obi and Karl-Anthony Towns with everyone else flattened out again — Tyrese is getting any rejection he wants." 这时场上只剩Obi和Towns在强侧配合，其余人拉开站位——Tyrese想拒绝哪个掩护就拒绝 哪个。 19:33 英文："And then that was the shot that you loved — oh, tough dude." 然後就是你超爱的那球——喔，超硬的一球。 19:37 英文："That was like — obviously Tyrese's shot was the play of the game, but that drive right there, that says something to me, man." 虽然Tyrese那球是全场关键，但这球切入上篮对我来说也意义重大。 19:43 英文："Reject the screen, take the contact, lay it in." 拒绝掩护、吃身体碰撞、强行上篮得分。 19:46 英文："So at this point in time, Thibodeau has now seen enough of Karl-Anthony Towns and decides to put Mitchell Robinson in at the five instead." 所以此时Thibodeau看够了Towns，决定把Mitchell Robinson换上来打五号位。 19:52 英文："So the Pacers are like, 'Well, that’s all right. Even if you're coming in for defense and you think you’re going to start switching things...' 於是溜马想法是：「没关系，就算你是来防守、打算做换防……」 19:57 英文："...we're just not going to involve you anymore." 「……我们乾脆不让你参与战术就好。」 20:00 英文："So the Pacers go to completely inverted actions — which we talked about in the Cavs preview — is this is something that they could have done with Jarrett Allen and Evan Mobley." 所以溜马直接切换成完全反转的战术——就像我们在对骑士的赛前分析中提到的——这本 来就是可以用来对付Jarrett Allen和Evan Mobley的招数。 20:06 英文："This is what they did in the overtime to help generate points." 而这也正是他们在延长赛中得分的关键方式。 20:09 英文："It’s just Aaron Nesmith and Tyrese and Nembhard screening for each other in the middle of the floor." 他们让Aaron Nesmith、Tyrese和Nembhard在场中央彼此交叉掩护。 20:13 英文："Both bigs being Siakam and Obi spaced to the corners." 而Siakam和Obi这两个大个子则分别站在两边底角拉开空间。 20:16 英文："And they're trying to get Brunson again — draw the close out, swing swing swing — Brunson on the close out, Mitchell Robinson has to help up." 他们再次针对Brunson做文章——吸引他扑防後再传导、再传导——最後Brunson被迫补防 ，而Mitchell Robinson也不得不上前支援。 20:22 英文："Obi to wide open dunk." Obi因此获得完全空档的灌篮机会。 20:24 英文："The three guards up above the break involved in action again to get Jalen Brunson." 三名後卫在三分线弧顶不断地设计战术，就是为了锁定Jalen Brunson。 20:28 英文："Nembhard makes the great stampede cut right behind Josh Hart..." Nembhard突然加速从Josh Hart身後切入，完成了一次精彩的「野牛切入」（stampede cut）。 20:32 英文："...because normally you know it's a mismatch, teams can get lulled staring — 'Is that guy going to hold up?' — and then you can lose the cutter behind you." 这种情况通常会让防守方被误导、迟疑：「这球会不会被挡下？」结果就漏掉了从背後杀 入的切入者。 20:37 英文："I'm going to ask you what your thoughts of this sideline out-of-bounds play were, Samson — because another one." Samson，我想问你对这一波边线发球战术有什麽看法——因为这又是一波精彩的设计。 20:42 英文："I think that this is a brilliant sideline out-of-bounds play to get what this was." 我觉得这是一个设计得非常精巧的边线发球战术。 20:47 英文："So Obi and Siakam both starting in the back court — Nembhard, if people listened to my podcast with Jenny last year about why they value having Nembhard as the inbound passer..." 所以Obi和Siakam两人都从後场起步——如果各位有听我去年和Jenny的Podcast，就会知 道为什麽球队那麽重视让Nembhard来发边线球…… 20:54 英文："...you can go check that out. But that's why he's almost always going to be in this role in clutch situations." 你们可以回去听那集。不过这就是为什麽在关键时刻，他几乎总是担任这个角色的原因。 21:00 英文："So before I even press play — your thoughts." 所以在我播这段之前——你怎麽看？ 21:03 英文："Well the Knicks — the Knicks go really high up court. Like, the Knicks fall for it in my opinion, right?" 我觉得尼克队防得太上面了，他们真的中计了，对吧？ 21:08 英文："This is — I guess this is probably like the same ethic — or not ethic — this is the same tenet of why it works as like playing four-on-four with Tyrese." 这大概就像和Tyrese打4打4的原则一样，这个战术会成功是因为相同的理念。 21:14 英文："Like negative space and art — the references you make." 就像你提到的那种「负空间美学」那样。 21:17 英文："The Knicks just follow players instead of the ball here, I think." 这球里，尼克完全是在跟着人跑，而不是在盯球，我是这样看的。 21:21 英文："And the players — they overindex on like who are the stars, and the Pacers just beat them..." 而且他们太过在意明星球员，结果就被溜马狠狠修理了…… 21:26 英文："...because they overload on the guys and they just run a play that goes to Obi Toppin because they overload in the wrong place." 因为他们防守重点放错位置，溜马乾脆跑了一个设计给Obi Toppin的战术，轻松得分。 21:33 英文："People always ask when the Pacers start sideline out-of-bounds plays into game plays with guys in the back court..." 常有人问：为什麽溜马边线发球时要让球员从後场起步，然後进入战术流程…… 21:38 英文："...why the defenders follow them and like why don’t you just zone up and stand back at the three." 为什麽防守方总会跟着跑，而不是站在三分线附近打区域防守？ 21:42 英文："I'm like — because when there's that much momentum coming at you and you have the caliber of shooters that are Nesmith and Haliburton..." 我会说——当对方是像Nesmith和Haliburton这种射手，而且有这麽大的冲刺动能时…… 21:48 英文："...that would be pretty risky to just back it all the way up." 你若退到底角等他们出手，风险实在太高了。 21:51 英文："Like that's what happens when you have so many players on the floor who are capable pull-up shooters." 当场上有这麽多会自己跳投的射手时，这种问题就会发生。 21:56 英文："But I think that what the Pacers were trying to accomplish when they're running yet another kind of football-style route play..." 但我认为溜马真正想达成的，是透过这种像美式足球跑线的战术…… 22:02 英文："...is they were waiting to see what Mitchell Robinson's read between Siakam and Obi Toppin was going to be." 他们是想看Mitchell Robinson到底会选择守Siakam还是守Obi Toppin。 22:07 英文："If he had gone with Siakam — excuse me — I think that they probably would have flowed into their normal end-of-game play..." 如果他去守Siakam——不好意思打个岔——那溜马可能就会进入他们一般的终场战术流程 …… 22:13 英文："...where Tyrese would have shot out past the logo and Siakam would have screened for him with Tyrese getting the ball." 就是让Tyrese跑到Logo外接球，由Siakam帮他做掩护。 22:18 英文："But because he didn’t stay with Siakam and he went with Obi — like this is crazy to me..." 但因为他没有守Siakam，反而选了Obi——这真让我震惊…… 22:22 英文："How many basketball teams do you know in a conference finals game — 20 seconds left to go in overtime — you're only up by a point..." 你知道有几支球队会在分区冠军赛、延长赛只领先一分、还剩20秒时…… 22:28 英文："...and your two star players are standing on the logo so that you can generate a three-on-three possession that's going to be empty side." 让你两个球星站在中场Logo旁，单纯为了让场上另一边打出一个三打三的清边战术？ 22:33 英文："I don't really care about how bad Mitchell Robinson's defense is right here." 我根本不在意Mitchell Robinson这球防得有多烂。 22:36 英文："There is a level of trust that Tyrese and Siakam are willing to just get out of the way and be like, that's what the read was." Tyrese和Siakam这样退到一边，完全信任队友，表示这就是他们事先预设的判断。 22:42 英文："Okay, we're going to trust Nembhard and Obi and Nesmith to get something with that much space on the floor." 好，我们要相信Nembhard、Obi和Nesmith能在这麽大的场上空间中创造出机会。 22:47 英文："Which they typically, you know, they definitely do with Obi getting the dunk." 而他们也真的办到了——Obi完成了灌篮。 22:50 英文："So yes, I can understand that Mitchell Robinson — not at his best there." 所以没错，我可以理解这球Mitchell Robinson真的不在状态。 22:54 英文："Also not at his best when Obi Toppin got the crashing dunk from the corner." 他在被Obi从底角冲进来补灌的那球上，也一样状态不佳。 22:58 英文："But also very strategic from the Pacers to be like, you know what — we're just going to run screen and roll with our guards in the middle of the floor." 但溜马这样的安排其实也非常战略性——他们决定：「好，我们就让後卫在场中央来跑挡 拆。」 23:04 英文："And just let Obi and Siakam chill out here." 而让Obi和Siakam待在旁边观察。 23:07 英文："And on that one we're going to make a read of who Mitchell Robinson goes with and then flow from there." 接着我们观察Mitchell Robinson选择跟谁防，然後再从那边展开攻势。 23:11 英文："And have stars who again are so magnanimous that they're willing to stand on a logo in overtime while you're only leading by one point." 这支队伍的球星真的非常无私，愿意在延长赛仅领先一分时，站在中场Logo等队友发挥。 23:17 英文："This is the team that's up 1-0 in the ECF." 这支球队就是现在在东区冠军赛1比0领先的溜马。 23:20 英文："And Tyrese with that big game last night surpassed Pascal as the leading scorer." 而Tyrese在昨晚那场关键比赛後，超越Pascal成为球队得分王。 23:25 英文："But it's 18.7 and 18.6 points per game — the two of those guys, they're both hyper-efficient." 但其实两人场均只差0.1分——18.7与18.6分——而且效率都非常高。 23:30 英文："Tyrese obviously — like the dialogue that happened prior to the series about like who the best player is — it was misguided." Tyrese显然——在系列赛前围绕谁是最佳球员的讨论——其实是误导性的。 23:36 英文："I will say from what I saw it was like, wow these guys don't watch." 我只能说，根据我看到的，有些人根本没好好看球。 23:40 英文："But this team — it's like there's a different hero all the time, non-stop. And they're so comfortable with it." 但这支球队总是会有不同的英雄轮番登场，而且大家都很自在地接受这样的角色轮替。 23:46 英文："You know Rick — he said like not only is it the clutch muscle, it's like — you know, you use that, you work that muscle — it improves." 你知道Rick（Carlisle）说过——这不只是「关键时刻的肌肉」，而是你越常使用它，它 就越强壮。 23:53 英文："They are so comfortable in those situations — but they're comfortable in a wide variety of just situations up and down the roster." 他们不只是对关键时刻很有自信，整支球队对各种情境、各种人选的搭配都非常自在。 23:59 英文："Because there's so much responsibility foisted onto these guys." 因为教练团把很多责任都交给了这些球员。 24:02 英文："And it's like the power of, hey — you have an opportunity, this is for you, we've built the offense in this way, it's your play right now." 这就像是在说：「嘿，这机会是你的，这套战术是为你打造的，现在就上场执行吧！」 24:09 英文："You make the read, you make the shot, you take it." 由你判断，由你出手，全权交给你。 24:12 英文："And this manifests in a really incredible offense — but also an offense that can just run Obi Toppin like off a slip and score in crunch time." 这样的信任造就了一套不可思议的进攻体系——在关键时刻甚至可以让Obi Toppin简单滑 步後得分。 24:18 英文："And the Pacers do not allow and do not abide the same easy looks to the Knicks down the stretch for what it's worth." 值得一提的是，溜马并不允许也不容忍尼克在最後关头有那麽轻松的出手机会。 24:23 英文："And the thing that I would almost counter there is I think oftentimes when I watch the Pacers..." 我想补充一点是，我常常在看溜马比赛的时候…… 24:27 英文："...just because a play has run for a player, they're very cognizant of the shot doesn't have to be for me just because the play is for me." 他们的球员很有意识——就算这战术是为我设计的，我也不一定要出手。 24:33 英文："And they like to get out of each other's way just as the two stars just did." 他们喜欢互相让位，就像刚刚两位球星那样，愿意站在Logo给队友发挥。 24:37 英文："Final defensive possession for the Pacers against the New York Knicks — Andrew Nembhard defending Jalen Brunson..." 溜马对上尼克最後一波防守回合——由Andrew Nembhard防守Jalen Brunson…… 24:43 英文："...the same player who was taken off of Jalen Brunson in the series last year in Game 3 when they needed a stop in isolation." 这位球员去年系列赛第三战中曾因单防Brunson被换下，当时溜马急需一个防守成功的回 合。 24:49 英文："We've seen Brunson knocking down these big stepbacks in the prior two rounds to clinch games for his team." 我们在前两轮都看到Brunson靠着後撤步关键跳投，为球队锁定胜局。 24:54 英文："Doesn't do it against Andrew Nembhard on that particular possession." 但这一球，他没能在Andrew Nembhard面前命中。 24:57 英文："They end up getting an offensive rebound and Karl-Anthony Towns doesn't make the shot either." 虽然尼克抢下进攻篮板，但Karl-Anthony Towns也没能投进补篮。 25:02 英文："Great moment for Andrew Nembhard." 对Andrew Nembhard来说，这是一个精彩的时刻。 25:04 英文："And also — which we'll get into after we looked at all that — I think that Jalen Brunson had, much like what we talked about with Donovan Mitchell..." 而且，我们之後会谈到这点——我觉得Jalen Brunson就像我们之前谈Donovan Mitchell 时那样…… 25:10 英文："...in some of their late-game situations, he's running out of gas." 在比赛後段，他其实已经油尽灯枯了。 25:13 英文："Quite frankly, he was running out of gas at that point in time in the game." 说真的，那时他已经体力不支了。 25:16 英文："Even though — which I guess I should have led into — a disastrous stretch when he was on the bench at the start of the fourth quarter." 虽然我应该先提的——第四节一开始他坐板凳时，溜马打得非常糟糕。 25:21 英文："Personal 5-0 run for OG Anunoby." OG Anunoby连得5分，个人打出5比0攻势。 25:23 英文："Multiple three-shot fouls." 还制造了好几次三分犯规。 25:27 英文："So a quick note to shout out DJ from the podcast we did with Knicks Film School." 补充一下，感谢我们之前和Knicks Film School合作的Podcast里的DJ。 25:32 英文："He did highlight that he thought the Brunson against Nembhard stuff was significantly overstated." 他特别指出他觉得外界对Brunson对位Nembhard的议题被过度渲染了。 25:36 英文："And that he thought like Nembhard has a decent idea or a decent ability to get Brunson into tough shots and to hang with him." 他认为Nembhard其实满懂得怎麽让Brunson出手困难的球，也有能力跟得上他。 25:42 英文："And that that's like, you know, not as uncomfortable a spot as people might think." 所以这未必是外界想像中的劣势对位。 25:45 英文："And it's nice seeing Nembhard get the stop at the end." 看到最後是Nembhard守下来，真的很棒。 25:48 英文："Yeah, so as we saw in many of those possessions to close the fourth quarter where they're putting Brunson in the middle of the floor..." 是啊，就像第四节结尾那些回合，他们都把Brunson放到场中央…… 25:54 英文："...and three guards are attacking him." 然後由三位後卫轮流针对他发动进攻。 25:56 英文："So that people will know — I wrote my piece on Aaron Nesmith ahead of the game over the weekend." 让大家知道——我在周末赛前写了一篇关於Aaron Nesmith的文章。 26:00 英文："And I thought he was going to be the most important player in this series in terms of being, you know, an X-factor, a swing factor..." 我认为他会是这系列赛的关键人物，不论是X因子或是摇摆变数。 26:06 英文："...and which player he was going to guard and what that would mean." 特别是他会去守谁，以及这对比赛会造成什麽影响。 26:09 英文："Tonight I said on the preview that I thought that they would play it to script and see — in a road game — whether they could quote-unquote get away with guarding KAT with centers..." 我在预览中提到，我觉得这场客场比赛溜马会按照既定剧本走，先看看能不能「暂时用中 锋」来守KAT…… 26:16 英文："...or with Obi or whoever it may be so that Nesmith could stay on Brunson and then adjust from there..." 或是用Obi之类的人来守，这样Nesmith就可以继续对位Brunson，然後再视情况调整…… 26:21 英文："...rather than automatically going to adjustment that they basically didn't scheme or use during against most teams during the regular season." 而不是直接改变成一套他们在例行赛几乎没用过的防守策略。 26:27 英文："But more importantly, I was like — if they can't guard Jalen Brunson, they have to force Jalen Brunson to guard." 但更重要的是——如果你守不住Jalen Brunson，那就逼他去防守！ 26:33 英文："So in this game he defended 23 picks as the screener defender." 这场比赛，他被卷入掩护、担任掩护者防守者多达23次。 26:37 英文："The Knicks gave up 1.5 points per chance when he was involved as the screener defender." 当他卷入掩护、成为掩护者防守者时，尼克每次平均失分高达1.5分。 26:43 英文："Last year in the playoffs against the Indiana Pacers — a seven-game series — Jalen Brunson defended a total of 32 picks as the screener defender." 而去年对溜马的七战系列赛中，Brunson整个系列才防了32次这类掩护。 26:51 英文："So Game 1: 23. Seven-game series last year: 32. Never more than seven in any of those games." 所以这场第一战他就被打了23次掩护，而去年系列赛单场从没超过7次。 26:57 英文："And almost more tellingly — because of how the matchups have shaken out now that both teams are significantly different..." 而且更关键的是——由於今年两队阵容差异很大…… 27:02 英文："...in the first game they played against the Knicks — which was the second game of the regular season — Jalen Brunson went from..." 例行赛第二场对上尼克时，Brunson的防守角色就已经出现改变…… 27:08 英文："...in the playoffs mostly guarding Nembhard last year — to guarding Aaron Nesmith from the very start of that game." 去年季後赛他主要对位Nembhard，但这季一开始就去防守Aaron Nesmith。 27:13 英文："And in the entirety of the game he defended three screens as the screener defender." 那整场比赛他只防了三次掩护者角色的对位。 27:18 英文："But a massive shift in their approach to this game." 但他们这场比赛的策略出现了巨大转变。 27:21 英文："We talked about it on the preview podcast — I said I thought the Celtics constantly let Brunson off the hook." 我们在赛前Podcast有讨论过——我说我觉得塞尔提克老是放过Brunson。 27:26 英文："The Pacers did not. The Pacers wanted it bad." 但溜马完全没有这样。溜马太想赢了。 27:29 英文："They hunted after him with like a fervor that was unbelievable." 他们对Brunson的追打火力惊人。 27:32 英文："And it worked. And credit to them." 而且真的奏效了，值得给他们掌声。 27:35 英文："Not only was it just like the simple stuff at the end of the games where it's like — yep, bring him up, we'll get him in." 而且不只是比赛尾声那些简单的针对性进攻——像「好，把他拉上来，我们来搞他」。 27:40 英文："But there's also like actions with a little bit more sauce on them at the start to get Haliburton for that, like that inside-hand layup at the rim." 他们也在一开始安排了一些更有创意的战术，像是让Haliburton完成那个用内侧手上篮的 回合。 27:46 英文："It's just — although all layups are at the rim, I suppose, Samson you dummy." 虽然每个上篮都是在篮下啦（笑），Samson你笨蛋。 27:50 英文："But anyway, the inside-hand lay — it's just — I thought it was fantastic." 但不管怎样，那个内手上篮真的太精彩了。 27:54 英文："And I thought the diligence to keep working him into action while still playing with that pep and pace..." 而且他们一边保持节奏，一边不断把Brunson拉进攻防战术中，那种坚持真的值得称赞。 27:59 英文："They're still running offense, for sure." 他们确实还是有在执行进攻体系。 28:01 英文："And that's partially why they didn't let him off the hook — because it is the Pacers' way of attacking that mismatch." 这也是为什麽他们不放过Brunson——因为这就是溜马处理防守错位的方式。 28:06 英文："This isn't this laborious like Jaylen Brown flattens out and takes like a contested 16-foot jumper." 这不是像Jaylen Brown那种累赘式单打，最後只能硬拔个16尺勉强出手。 28:11 英文："It's like — no, we're going to get to the rim and it's because we brought this guy up and we're going to make a killing here..." 这是——不，我们就是要打进禁区，因为我们把Brunson拉了上来，然後我们就在这里下 手…… 28:17 英文："...to the tune of 1.5 points per possession, which is massive numbers." 每次进攻平均1.5分，这是极高的数据。 28:21 英文："And by not doing that — which is why I thought Game 6 or Game 5 against Boston was telling..." 而如果不这样做——这就是我觉得他们在对波士顿的第六或第五战很值得参考的原因…… 28:26 英文："And that's not me trying to drag Jayson Tatum — just a difference in how the Celtics were running offense." 我不是在批评Jayson Tatum——而是塞尔提克的进攻方式本来就不同。 28:31 英文："It doesn't let OG and Mikal Bridges load up in the gaps when you're not running stagnant things." 如果你进攻不停滞，对方像OG或Mikal Bridges这样的防守者就很难有空档去协防。 28:37 英文："So to provide people with — I like a dramatic before-and-after — as everyone should know by now..." 我喜欢给大家看戏剧化的对比画面——大家现在应该都知道…… 28:42 英文："The uniforms are the same but this was actually from October when the Pacers played the Knicks on the road." 虽然球衣一样，但这段画面其实是十月溜马客场对尼克的比赛。 28:46 英文："And as I mentioned, Brunson guarding Nesmith a lot of the time..." 就像我说的，当时Brunson大多时间都守Nesmith。 28:49 英文："...when he was weak side he was just standing off the ball." 当他处在弱边时，他就是站在一边，没有积极参与防守。 28:53 英文："And if he did catch it, he has the entire right side of the floor to himself and he automatically just gets back off the ball..." 就算他接到球，整个右半边都是他的空间，然後他又会马上把球传掉，让进攻重启。 28:59 英文："...for the Pacers to go into more actions where Brunson's not having to do much of anything for almost this whole game." 这让溜马能设计一堆战术，让Brunson几乎整场都不用动太多。 29:04 英文："This is from the first quarter of Game 1 where when they get the ball to the weak side of the floor..." 但这是第一战第一节，当溜马把球转到弱边…… 29:09 英文："...it's deliberate that they want to get Brunson into basically a Chicago action, a pin down." 他们是刻意要让Brunson参与一个「芝加哥动作」，也就是绕掩护跑位接球的战术。 29:13 英文："When Nesmith runs over the top of that, that's intended as a fake handoff to get the ball back to Tyrese." 当Nesmith从掩护上方跑过，那其实是假装要传给他，目的是要把球传回给Tyrese。 29:18 英文："And then they flow directly into a ball screen to get Brunson again." 然後马上接入持球掩护战术，再次锁定Brunson。 29:21 英文："So that means Brunson's through a pin down, through a fake handoff, and now back into a ball screening action..." 这代表Brunson从绕掩护、假交球，到又被卷入持球掩护…… 29:26 英文："...that's creating less rim protection on the back end of that action..." 这样的战术会让禁区失去保护…… 29:29 英文："...for — as you mentioned — now Tyrese able to get the layup at the rim." 就像你说的，最後让Tyrese顺利切入上篮。 29:33 英文："They also did screening actions to get Jalen Brunson onto Siakam." 他们还用掩护战术把Jalen Brunson对位到Siakam身上。 29:36 英文："And difference being is when Siakam was getting some of the small mismatches against the Knicks..." 而这之中的差别是，当Siakam在对上尼克的时候得到一些矮小防守者的错位…… 29:40 英文："...the Knicks were more apt to load up on that — which is why you can see OG starting to double." 尼克比较倾向协防，所以你会看到OG开始包夹。 29:44 英文："Aaron Nesmith being spaced one pass away — turns out that worked out pretty well though." 而Aaron Nesmith就站在一传距离的空档位置——事实证明，这效果还不错。 29:49 英文："Nes again right away — semi-transition — getting Jalen Brunson on the ball against Nembhard." Nesmith又马上在半快攻中让Brunson对上Nembhard。 29:53 英文："Then it’s Siakam following with another screen — so he’s the screener defender. Now he’s the on-ball defender." 接着Siakam又来设一个掩护，所以Brunson又变成持球掩护的防守者。 29:58 英文："Like they were typically chasing actions back-to-back almost every time." 他们几乎每次都连续设计多段战术，不让Brunson有喘息空间。 30:02 英文："It’s never — there was momentum in almost everything that they were doing." 他们几乎每一个回合都充满动能与连贯性。 30:05 英文："So Nes first screener, Turner second screener, now Nembhard — you know, or I mean Tyrese getting the hostage dribble and Brunson to get back to the rim." 所以Nesmith是第一个掩护者，Turner第二个，然後由Nembhard——或者说Tyrese拿到球 ，用擒抱式运球逼Brunson一路退防到篮下。 30:11 英文："They switched the matchup — they tried to put Brunson onto Nembhard because of how much Aaron was screening." 他们尝试换防，让Brunson守Nembhard，因为Aaron实在参与太多掩护了。 30:16 英文："So Aaron was like, ‘Well, I’ll be the first screener of a double drag, and you be the second screener of a double drag and we’ll still get him.’" 所以Aaron想说：「好，那我来当double drag（双重掩护）战术的第一个掩护者，你当第 二个，我们还是可以搞他。」 30:22 英文："And then Myles Turner will set a step-up screen." 然後Myles Turner再来补一个垂直上掩护。 30:24 英文："And this is how he racked up 23 picks in the game." 这就是为什麽他这场比赛被卷入23次掩护。 30:27 英文："And this is why when you’re seeing Nembhard get the stop — which like credit to Nembhard that he was able to get that on the final possession of overtime —" 所以当你看到Nembhard在延长赛最後一回合成功守下Brunson——他值得称赞—— 30:33 英文："...but also look at the workload that was asked of Jalen Brunson throughout the game by the time that they got to that possession." 但你也要看看整场比赛Jalen Brunson被要求承担了多大的工作量，才能理解他那时的疲 惫。 30:38 英文："It’s good work. It’s honest work. It’s a hard day’s work." 这是一场实实在在的好表现，也是份诚实辛苦的工作。 30:43 英文："I like — honestly I don't think there's much to add on top of that." 说真的，我觉得这段分析已经很完整了，没什麽好补充的。 30:46 英文："They did it. They looked for him. They found him. They made it work." 他们做到了。他们去找他、针对他，然後奏效了。 30:50 英文："On the flip side, I'd like to know from your opinion — we touched on some of it — but they guarded Brunson by forcing him to guard." 反过来我也想听听你的看法——我们稍早有提到——他们靠让Brunson防守来消耗他。 30:56 英文："They weren't always successful with their actual guarding of Brunson." 但实际上守Brunson这件事，他们并不总是成功的。 30:59 英文："So off the top of your head, was there anything that you thought like hey, that's something that they could do better..." 所以你有没有什麽直觉上的想法，觉得溜马还可以在哪里做得更好…… 31:04 英文："...or maybe this is a tweak that they could make or is it like we're just going to have to live with this guy going off..." 或者有什麽调整可以做？还是只能接受Brunson会爆发的事实…… 31:08 英文："...and hoping that he runs out of gas at the end of basketball games?" 然後祈祷他比赛尾声体力耗尽？ 31:11 英文："I think — geez — I think maybe a couple times they were a bit too happy to leave like a switch out there." 我觉得——唉——有几次他们对某些换防太过心安理得了。 31:16 英文："You know, like Myles got stuck out there, Pascal got stuck out there, and it was like you know what, we're going to leave him out there." 像是Myles或Pascal被挡在外围，溜马就乾脆让他们留在那边守Brunson。 31:22 英文："Otherwise, I liked Shepard coming in — obviously we talked about that." 但除此之外，我喜欢Shepard上来的效果——我们也聊过了。 31:26 英文："Not just on defense, but the TJ and Matherin stuff overall made me want to tear the hair out of my head." 不只是防守端，TJ和Matherin的表现让我真的快抓狂了。 31:32 英文："Although there’s, you know, not that many to do it with." 虽然我本来头发就不多了（笑）。 31:35 英文："Like watching that TJ ball on one end getting cooked on the other — I was just like 'Oh, this is bad.'" 看到TJ进攻一边乱打，防守又被爆，我心想：「喔不，这太惨了。」 31:41 英文："Because it was — it was like the bench, the bench, the bench." 因为那时候就是板凳球员问题接连爆发。 31:44 英文："But Deuce McBride and Mitch — those guys were the ones who really brought the like oomph in this game." 但其实是Deuce McBride和Mitchell Robinson带来这场比赛的冲击力。 31:49 英文："I didn't scheme up any type of stops." 我倒没有想到什麽防守对策。 31:52 英文："Did you expect the Knicks bench to make more threes than the Pacers bench?" 你有想到尼克的板凳会比溜马的板凳投进更多三分吗？ 31:56 英文："I didn’t expect that." 我没预料到。 31:57 英文："Although I expected Mitch Robinson to be an insanely large problem — and he bowling-ball turning people into bowling pins..." 但我早就料到Mitchell Robinson会成为一个极大的麻烦——他像保龄球一样把人撞飞… … 32:02 英文："Are we going to talk about that later at all or can I just say..." 我们等下还会讲这个吗？还是我可以现在先说…… 32:05 英文："No, interject what you want." 没关系，你想说什麽就说吧。 32:07 英文："The bowling pin thing is so apt." 你说他像保龄球真的太贴切了。 32:09 英文："It was absolutely — I don't — like you can't always tell how strong an NBA player is..." 这真的是——我觉得——你不能单靠外表就知道NBA球员多强壮…… 32:13 英文："...because like physiques can betray, you know." 因为有时外表会骗人嘛。 32:15 英文："But the fact that he lines up with two guys at the free throw line and just like walks everybody into like a crash..." 但他可以在罚球线上挤进两个人，然後把大家全都撞倒…… 32:20 英文："...and it happens eight times a game." 而且这种场面一场可以发生八次。 32:22 英文："I'm just like — what an unbelievable effort to guard this guy." 我只能说，要守住这家伙真的太难了。 32:25 英文："And he's not even touching the ball — you're just trying to beat him in a race for it." 他甚至没有拿到球——你只是试图在抢篮板上赢过他。 32:29 英文："You probably have to face guard him." 你可能得用面对面贴身防守。 32:31 英文："And like ask — you know, the Thunder are really good at this — like face guarding a bigger guy..." 举例来说，雷霆队这方面做得很好——他们会让小个子球员去贴大个子…… 32:36 英文："...and having a guy like Shai or J-Dub or Caruso or whoever come swooping in, like, 'Go get the ball!'" 然後让像Shai、J-Dub或Caruso这样的球员从旁杀出，去抢球。 32:41 英文："And the Pacers maybe could make a tweak like that." 或许溜马也可以试着调整，照这样做。 32:44 英文："But my God man, what — anyway, I don't know. It's tough." 但天啊，真的——唉，我不知道，这真的太难了。 32:48 英文："Like I remember the game where Sabonis got outrebounded by Kevon Looney when the Kings played the Warriors..." 我还记得那场比赛，当时国王对上勇士，Sabonis在篮板上被Kevon Looney彻底压制…… 32:53 英文："...and he was face guard boxing him out — and like, you can't spot the ball." 他那时候也试着面对面卡位，但你根本看不到球在哪。 32:57 英文："So like, you better have guys that you can rely on to swoop in like that or you're kind of screwed." 所以你最好场上还有别人能从侧翼冲进来抢球，不然就完蛋了。 33:01 英文："Anyway, stopping Brunson — I think they were a little bit too lax." 回到守Brunson这件事——我觉得溜马有点太松懈了。 33:04 英文："But again, it's Game 1 — on leaving guys out there and being like 'Okay, let's see it.'" 但这才是系列赛第一战，他们可能就是想看看情况而已。 33:08 英文："Maybe they did want to see it." 也许他们真的想观察一下尼克会怎麽打。 33:10 英文："But otherwise, I do think it's that — I think it's that Donovan Mitchell thing." 但除此之外，我觉得这跟Donovan Mitchell的情况有点像。 33:13 英文："I think it's that the Pacers have been like a top 10 defense for months and months on end." 我觉得溜马已经连好几个月是联盟前十的防守球队了。 33:17 英文："I think that the Pacers have had good defensive responses." 我觉得他们在防守上的反应做得很好。 33:20 英文："I think they've played together." 他们的团队防守也打得很一致。 33:22 英文："And despite everyone just looking quickly at like how many points Giannis had, how often Donovan Mitchell scored..." 虽然大家会去看Giannis得了几分、Mitchell得了几分…… 33:27 英文："...they're going to look at Jalen Brunson's stat lines, they're going to say the Pacers are getting cooked." 他们会看Brunson的数据表，然後说：「溜马被打爆了。」 33:30 英文："It's just not going to be the case." 但事实不是这样。 33:32 英文："I think that's the way that they're trying to — they play the full game." 我觉得溜马的理念是打满整场比赛，而不是只看单一回合输赢。 33:36 英文："It's not two sides — it's one court." 他们不是只在乎攻或守，而是把整块球场当作一个整体。 33:38 英文："They make the work everywhere and that's how they have to make it happen." 他们在每个角落都努力防守、努力进攻，这就是他们的方式。 33:41 英文："I think if there was anything that I saw — like we're three rounds in to like 'Let's see if TJ can guard Kevin Porter Jr.'" 如果真要说有什麽观察的话——我们都已经打到第三轮了，之前还在试说「TJ能不能守住 Kevin Porter Jr.」。 33:47 英文："Let's see if TJ can guard the guards for the Cavs." 或者是试看看TJ能不能守住骑士队的那些後卫。 33:50 英文："And like if he can't do it, then let's see if Bennedict Mathurin can do it — until they end up getting ultimately back to Ben Sheppard." 结果如果TJ守不住，那就再试试看Bennedict Mathurin，最後还是会回到用Ben Sheppard 。 33:56 英文："Or in some cases they have tried Jarace — and like I said, just on the sheer fact that Jarace has more length than these other guys." 有时候他们也用过Jarace——就像我说的，单纯因为Jarace的臂展比其他人长。 34:01 英文："I think that having someone with length is very important in the Brunson matchup..." 我认为要守Brunson的话，臂展长的球员真的很重要…… 34:05 英文："...to be able to cover up some of the counters that he had." 这样才能补掉Brunson那些变向与反击的招式。 34:08 英文："So like I can understand not always being as trusting in Jarace at the offensive end of the floor." 所以我也能理解，球队不会完全信任Jarace在进攻端的表现。 34:13 英文："And like it is an exercise in trust — hence why I wrote the piece going into the Bucks series." 这其实是一场信任的测验——所以我才会在对公鹿系列赛前写那篇分析。 34:17 英文："But like there was a certain point in time where I'm like — you know, how much worse can it get?" 但有某些时刻我心里真的想：「再烂也不会更糟了吧？」 34:21 英文："But I mean they did make the call to put Ben Sheppard in against Deuce McBride..." 他们最後也确实派上了Ben Sheppard对上Deuce McBride…… 34:25 英文："...and then that worked out for a bit against Brunson." 然後Sheppard对Brunson的效果也不错。 34:27 英文："So I would be — I'm honestly to the point where I'd be more willing to lean there than I would be to running that back again." 所以老实说，我现在更倾向继续用Sheppard，而不是再试一次旧阵容。 34:33 英文："This is what that makes me think of — posing this question to you:" 这让我想到一个问题——也想问问你： 34:36 英文："Okay, let's say TJ doesn't get as much — and then it's maybe just less TJ." 假设接下来TJ出场时间变少。 34:39 英文："And what Nembhard in this game had — how many fouls? Five by the end of it, right?" 那这场比赛Nembhard是几犯结束的？五犯对吧？ 34:43 英文："Nesmith had five. Shepard had one. Benn had one. TJ had two." Nesmith五犯，Sheppard一犯，Mathurin一犯，TJ两犯。 34:47 英文："But if you're having less TJ — where are you trying to direct that portion of offense?" 但如果你不用那麽多TJ，那进攻端的角色分配要怎麽调整？ 34:52 英文："Because as much as I'm not thrilled with TJ Ball, the Pacers need a chunk of every game to be TJ Ball." 虽然我不太喜欢看TJ单打（TJ Ball），但目前的溜马还是需要有一段时间是他的表演时 间。 34:58 英文："At least that's the current plan. If Sheppard replaces him, it's not going to be Sheppard Ball." 至少目前战术是这样。如果Sheppard取代他，那就不会有Sheppard持球单打的画面。 35:01 英文："And that asks more creation of, let's say, Nembhard or Haliburton." 这样一来，就需要Nembhard或Haliburton承担更多进攻发动的责任。 35:04 英文："And that brings into — like, Tyrese danced. Tyrese put up shots. Tyrese did a lot of work in this game." 那就会带出像是——Tyrese在场上盘球、投篮、创造机会，他在这场比赛真的做了很多事 。 35:08 英文："Where do you guide that offense in lieu of that?" 那你要怎麽重新导引这段进攻呢？ 35:10 英文："Siakam." Siakam。 35:11 英文："Yeah, I mean I think because — I mean that's the stuff that I liked late in the fourth quarter..." 对，我的意思是——我很喜欢第四节後段的那种打法…… 35:15 英文："...where they don't have another ball handler out there, just let Siakam bring it up against pressure." 当场上没有其他持球者时，就让Siakam自己带球面对压迫防守。 35:19 英文："And that ultimately worked in their favor a little bit — to just let him run handoffs and create contact given the way that he's guarded." 这策略最後反而对他们有利——让他跑手递手战术并主动制造身体接触，毕竟对手的防守 方式就是那样。 35:25 英文："Like, I'm fine tilting a little bit more of that there when Siakam comes out against the bench." 所以我赞成当Siakam在对方板凳球员身上出手时，可以多放点球权给他。 35:30 英文："Because — we'll talk about it — but I think this is going to be a tough matchup for him overall." 因为——我们等下会聊到——但我觉得这整体对他来说是个硬仗。 35:34 英文："So if he's not going to be involved as much given what some of the matchups are..." 所以如果因为防守对位的关系，他参与度会降低…… 35:37 英文："...I think it's okay to let him do a little bit more of the handling responsibilities." 那我觉得让他多承担一点持球责任是没问题的。 35:40 英文："Especially if they're not going to press him when he's bringing it up — which given who some of his matchups are, I kind of doubt that they will." 尤其如果对手不上前压迫他的带球——以他目前的对位来看，我觉得他们应该不会压迫。 35:45 英文："But a quick look at some like — a few things." 但我快速提几个观察重点。 35:47 英文："Like I said — TJ on Jalen Brunson — like if he's going to get downhill to his left..." 就像我说的——TJ守Jalen Brunson——当Brunson往左切下坡…… 35:51 英文："...like this was kind of a little bit of an issue last year..." 这其实也是去年就出现的问题…… 35:53 英文："...where I was like — once he breaks the free throw line with his left, like I want it to be like a whole-body stunt at that point in time." 我当时想说——只要他用左手突破罚球线，就应该立刻全身封堵。 35:58 英文："Like if you're already this far off of Josh Hart anyway, why not just force the ball out of Jalen Brunson’s hands?" 既然你本来就离Josh Hart那麽远了，为什麽不乾脆逼Brunson把球传掉？ 36:03 英文："If you're practically going to have one foot in the paint, just go ahead and do it and force Josh Hart to make a stampede cut or do something else from there." 你反正已经半只脚踩进禁区了，那就全力协防，逼Josh Hart只能切入或做其他选择。 36:06 英文："If they're going to be running like empty-side two-man actions between Brunson and KAT..." 如果他们打算用Brunson和KAT之间的两人空边配合…… 36:09 英文："...I thought they probably could have been a little bit more communicative — and maybe this lands on Siakam." 我觉得溜马的沟通应该可以再更清楚一些——这可能是Siakam那边的责任。 36:13 英文："Where, you know, off-ball switch it and get him as the low man rather than, you know, Tyrese or Nembhard." 也就是说，让Siakam去做底线帮忙协防，而不是让Tyrese或Nembhard去补位。 36:17 英文："When Brunson’s headed downhill, I’d rather give up Nembhard having to step in front of OG..." 当Brunson开始往禁区冲时，我宁愿让Nembhard去挡OG的路线…… 36:20 英文："...than Tyrese having to make a play from there." 也不想让Tyrese必须从外围冲进去协防。 36:22 英文："Even if it's just to make it a little bit more intimidating, if nothing else, to keep Brunson from getting that extra step downhill." 就算只是稍微制造一点压迫感，也好过让Brunson又多切一步。 36:27 英文："And then just the one other thing between KAT and Brunson is — anytime that there was like — well, this is actually Matherin..." 然後关於KAT和Brunson的搭配，还有一点要说——其实这段是Matherin在防…… 36:32 英文："...just to show that stack-out action and some of the angles that he took, where Brunson's then just getting all the way downhill and drawing fouls." 只是想让大家看到那个stack-out战术以及Matherin的防守角度，Brunson就这样一路冲进 禁区然後博得犯规。 36:38 英文："Like, that was a tough play. But I have hope at times that Matherin — like Benn has more size than TJ..." 那回合真的很难防。但我对Matherin还是有希望的——毕竟他比TJ更有体型优势…… 36:43 英文："...so it makes sense on the surface. And he did get one stop against him..." 从表面上来看，这样的防守对位是合理的。而且他真的有成功守下一次。 36:47 英文："...where unfortunately Myles gave up an offensive rebound and then there ended up being a switch. race shotver the top of Tyrese. But in this case Myles going down and doubling down on Mikal Bridges..." 但可惜那回合Myles漏了个进攻篮板，接着就被迫换防 ，Tyrese头上被投了一球。不过这 里Myles去夹击Mikal Bridges也提出一个有趣的观点…… 36:57 英文："...actually brought up an interesting point where Nembhard had to recover out to Karl-Anthony Towns." 也就是Nembhard得从禁区跑出去补防到KAT。 37:01 英文："Towns doesn't try to back down Nembhard or really do anything here — he just gets back off the ball." 而KAT并没有试着强打Nembhard，反而选择把球传出去。 37:05 英文："And while Matherin does try to duck under and beat Brunson to the spot..." 虽然Matherin试着从下路绕过掩护、卡住Brunson的切入角度…… 37:08 英文："...Nembhard reaches down and knocks it away from Brunson." 但最後是Nembhard伸手将球抄掉。 37:11 英文："But point being there is — KAT had Nembhard on him at the wing and he didn’t really do anything about it." 重点是，那时KAT在侧翼对到的是Nembhard，但他完全没有想要进攻的意思。 37:15 英文："Here, Matherin gets switched onto KAT. KAT tries to create a driving lane..." 然後这边Matherin换防到KAT，KAT试图运球切入…… 37:18 英文："...they cover and clog that up." 但溜马整体防守收得很好，完全把空间堵住。 37:20 英文："And then when he catches it against Matherin, he doesn’t try to back him down with the clock running down..." 接着他再次接球面对Matherin时，时间所剩无几，他也没尝试背打。 37:24 英文："...he just tried to shoot a set shot over the top of him." 而是选择直接原地跳投。 37:27 英文："And then that’s also what happened in overtime when Myles and Nesmith had to switch this." 这种情况也在延长赛重演，当时是Myles和Nesmith在换防後遇到KAT。 37:31 英文："They didn't deliberately switch it, but looking back at that same possession where — like especially when Josh Hart's out there..." 他们当时并不是刻意换防，但回看那一回合——尤其是当Josh Hart也在场时…… 37:36 英文："I think you might be able to cross-match this, and then you might be able to take away some more of the Brunson stuff..." 我觉得你可以透过交叉防守，进一步限制Brunson的进攻…… 37:40 英文："...just by virtue of you being able to switch the screening actions." 光是因为你能更有效地换防掩护，就能达到这个目的。 37:43 英文："Because if Nembhard's pressuring him up the floor, and you have somebody else on KAT and you switch it..." 因为如果Nembhard已经在上半场就对Brunson施压，而另一个人守KAT然後完成换防…… 37:47 英文："...he's not going to get as much downhill momentum." 那Brunson就不容易获得往禁区冲刺的动能。 37:49 英文："And then if you can double, depending upon who else is out there, that's still something they have in their back pocket." 而且只要场上人员允许，他们还有夹击的战术可以准备应用。 37:54 英文："Although, like I said, I understood going into Game 1 why they wouldn't go to that right out of the gate." 不过，就像我之前讲的，我可以理解为什麽第一场比赛他们一开始没用这招。 37:58 英文："Why that would be maybe a mid-series thing that they would try." 因为这可能是他们想在系列赛中段才试的东西。 38:01 英文："Because you are the road team — you might as well see if you can get away doing the thing that you've always been doing." 毕竟你是客场球队——那你就不妨先试看看用你平常的打法能不能应付。 38:06 英文："And it turns out — they can." 结果证明——他们真的能。 38:08 英文："So — but I mean, I don’t know how sustainable it will ultimately be if Brunson's still able to rack up 40-point games." 不过，我还是不确定这战术能撑多久——如果Brunson还是能轻松砍下40分的话。 38:13 英文："But when you're in overtime and you're fighting for your lives to stay afloat..." 但当你进入延长赛，拚死也要把胜利撑下来的时候…… 38:16 英文："...while, you know, as you've termed it — a monster is basically chasing you — perhaps it does work in your favor." 就像你说的——一只怪物正追着你跑——或许这战术会成为你的优势。 38:21 英文："Yeah, there's two big — the Deuce adjustment I think is very much in the cards." 没错，有两个重点——其中一个就是Deuce McBride的调整，我认为他会成为变数。 38:25 英文："That is it though — is it though?" 但真的只有这样吗？真的是吗？ 38:27 英文："Well, I think that would trigger potentially more Pascal stuff — that could get him more involved offensively." 我觉得这样的调整可能会让Pascal更多参与进攻。 38:31 英文："If the Deuce stuff — but like the Deuce stuff worked. The Deuce minutes worked. It helped a lot." 但说真的，Deuce那段时间的表现很有帮助，效果也真的有出来。 38:36 英文："So I don't know — I don't know if the Knicks will go that way." 所以我也不确定尼克会不会真的采用那样的战术走向。 38:39 英文："Like, we talked to the guys and they were like — 'I don't think it'll go that way.'" 我们有问过一些球评，他们也说：「我不觉得他们会走这条路。」 38:43 英文："And they said that the fanbase doesn't think it'll go that way." 而且球迷普遍也不觉得他们会这样做。 38:46 英文："So I don't really know. I mean the Knicks did toggle between double-big and which big they were playing during that stretch." 所以我真的也不知道。但尼克在那段时间的确有来回切换双塔阵容和不同的内线球员。 38:52 英文："But like I said, it wasn’t just rapid and furious shot-making from the Pacers." 但就像我之前说的，溜马的胜利并不只是靠疯狂得分。 38:56 英文："It was rapid and furious adjustments from the Pacers..." 他们还进行了快速且猛烈的战术调整…… 38:58 英文："...where they were ready to shapeshift to other things in response to what the Knicks were doing." 他们早就准备好根据尼克的变化快速变阵应对。 39:02 英文："Well again, I will admit — if Knicks fans are listening to this — your defense was not particularly good." 我还是得说一句——如果有尼克球迷在听——你们这场的防守真的不算好。 39:06 英文："Obviously, you almost gave up 50 points in 12 minutes." 很明显，你们在12分钟里快被砍了50分。 39:08 英文："But that's why it's hard to guard the Indiana Pacers." 但这也正是为什麽印第安那溜马那麽难守。 39:11 英文："That's why it's harder to guard the Pacers than the prior two rounds..." 这也是为什麽比起前两轮，守溜马会更辛苦…… 39:14 英文："...when you're trying to switch in certain circumstances, when your team doesn't have a lot of experience switching." 特别是当你们试图进行换防，而你们的球队又缺乏换防经验的情况下。 39:19 英文："Pacers did the damn thing." 溜马真的做到了。 39:21 英文："Siakam — are we going there?" 我们要聊Siakam了吗？ 39:23 英文："Yeah, your thoughts on Pascal Siakam in this game." 对，你对Pascal Siakam这场比赛的看法是？ 39:26 英文："So this game — that’s a very thoughtful question. Talk about Pascal." 这场比赛——这个问题问得不错。我们来谈谈Pascal吧。 39:30 英文："Yeah, so this game I think was — showed exactly what I might have expected from this series." 我觉得这场比赛正好展现了我对这系列赛的预期。 39:35 英文："Is that — and Pascal had like a really bad shot-making game in this one..." 也就是说——Pascal这场比赛的投篮表现真的很差…… 39:39 英文："...and still they found ways for it to work." 但球队仍然找到办法让他融入战术并发挥影响力。 39:41 英文："And it definitely wasn't his best game, but he has to be — if we're going chalk on these matchups..." 这场绝对不是他表现最好的一场，但如果我们照基本对位来说…… 39:46 英文："...the beloved bull between OG and Pascal is defense-first." OG和Pascal这对宿敌的对决会是以防守为主的战争。 39:49 英文："Pascal did not want to try OG." Pascal并不想正面挑战OG。 39:51 英文："They kept him away from like a good deal of stuff to keep OG away from stuff — and that’s normal." 他们让Pascal尽量避开主要进攻任务，也让OG也比较少参与其中——这是合理安排。 39:56 英文："That’s the Pacers being able to go to other things. That’s good. That ’s fine. That’s their luxury." 这是溜马的弹性所在。他们能做出别的选择，这就是他们的优势。 40:00 英文："And OG had to overextend himself trying things on the other end and it went poorly against Pascal." 而OG在另一端太勉强自己进攻，对上Pascal效果并不好。 40:04 英文："But when Pascal got the switches he desired, it was printing money. It was really good." 但当Pascal拿到他想要的错位，他就像印钞票一样稳，打得非常好。 40:08 英文："But if the shot making — like that’s what makes it really difficult for Pascal in this matchup..." 但若投篮手感不在，那这个对位对Pascal来说会非常辛苦…… 40:12 英文："...is it's like you have to just feast, feast, feast the moment you get away from a guy like OG." 一旦避开像OG这种防守者，他就得毫不留情地连续开火。 40:16 英文："Because Pascal can deal with Bridges, Pascal can deal with Hart, he can deal with Brunson, he can deal with McBride..." 因为Pascal可以处理Bridges、Hart、Brunson、McBride这些对位…… 40:21 英文："...he had a tough time against KAT because his shot making wasn’t there." 但他对上KAT就比较挣扎，因为他那时投不进。 40:24 英文："And then — so this kind of just makes it like Pascal offensively has to be egoless." 所以，Pascal在进攻端必须要毫无自我，要能够放下身段。 40:28 英文："Kind of — Myles Turner wrote that big piece for the Players Tribune, like 'Hey, we're happy to have it be anything. We have no ego on this team.'" 有点像Myles Turner写在Players Tribune那篇文章说的：「我们愿意扮演任何角色，我 们球队没人在意面子。」 40:35 英文："Pascal doesn’t have to be involved in things, but when he gets the look he wants, he has to dominate in it." Pascal不一定要参与每个战术，但只要有他想要的机会，他就要彻底掌握。 40:39 英文："He has to keep running out in transition. And he has to hit some jumpers." 他要持续在转换进攻时跑出机会，也得投进一些跳投。 40:42 英文："It can’t be like forcing it really hard against KAT when KAT is just down low." 不能只是硬打低位、勉强攻击KAT，尤其是当KAT已经站好位置时。 40:46 英文："You have to hit some jumpers. He took two threes. He missed them. They didn’t look particularly close." 他必须投进一些跳投。他出手两颗三分球，但都没进，而且感觉离很远。 40:50 英文："It’s not the series for him. But there’s still so much room for him to impact." 这系列可能不是他的舞台，但他仍有很多空间可以发挥。 40:54 英文："And he hit some of those — he pulled some of those levers." 而且他也真的拉动了几个战术齿轮，帮助球队运转。 40:57 英文："But in lieu of perhaps like McConnell — maybe less — that might get him going in some regards..." 他也许可以在某些情况下接手McConnell的角色——甚至可以取代一些McConnell的任务… … 41:02 英文："...using his gravity as like a — you know, or the lack of gravity I guess — as a screener and a pitch play guy." 利用他在场上的牵制力（或者说缺乏牵制力）来当掩护者、做短传发起者。 41:07 英文："I don’t know. It’s a tough ask. But he’s a max player, so you hope he figures it out." 我不知道这安排会不会太勉强，但他毕竟是顶薪球员，希望他能自己调整好。 41:11 英文："Well, the stuff we were seeing and why they weren’t going at the Dean Wade matchup is extra exaggerated here." 我们之前看到他们不怎麽挑战Dean Wade的对位，这在这里表现得更明显。 41:16 英文："I'll say just quickly, 'cause when I was looking — and as we know, the Synergy stuff is not perfect..." 我快速补充一下，因为我在研究时——我们也都知道，Synergy的数据不算完美…… 41:20 英文："...but when I was looking up for a Jonathan Mobley piece, there's three players who are under 0.7 points per possession allowed to pick-and-roll ball handlers on over 150 possessions." 我在查Jonathan Mobley资料时发现，有三名球员在超过150次挡拆防守中，每回合只让对 手得不到0.7分。 41:27 英文："It’s Chris Dunn, Jonathan Mobley, and Alex Caruso." 这三人分别是Chris Dunn、Jonathan Mobley和Alex Caruso。 41:30 英文："But Dean Wade was also in there. Dean Wade is very good on defense." 但Dean Wade的数据也在榜上。他的防守真的非常出色。 41:33 英文："Can I just say that something that bugs me about Synergy is that it's just usage." 我想说，我觉得Synergy有个让我很困扰的点，那就是它只看有出手的回合。 41:37 英文："Yes — like — and that's reflective, because if you're a good defender and it's usage then it's still going to show up." 对啦——但那也是一种反映，因为如果你是好防守者，那些数据还是会反映出来。 41:42 英文："But like — what about all the other picks?" 但那些没有产生出手的挡拆怎麽办？ 41:44 英文："Sometimes people can look worse on Synergy than they actually are..." 有时候球员在Synergy上看起来比实际表现更差…… 41:47 英文："...because it's only counting the stuff that ends in shots, free throws, or turnovers." 因为它只统计那些有出手、罚球或失误的回合。 41:50 英文："What about all the other picks that you defend and stop that don’t end in any of that?" 那那些你成功防住、但没有造成出手的挡拆怎麽算？ 41:54 英文："Sometimes a lot of these things — they live in a nether world." 有些防守数据，根本就没被统计在主流世界里。 41:57 英文："Yes, exactly. But so Siakam doing some of the ball handler stuff here..." 没错就是这样。不过我们回来说Siakam在这里做了一些持球发动的工作…… 42:00 英文："Quick screen from Nembhard. They were willing to switch between Josh Hart and OG Anunoby." Nembhard帮他做了个快挡，对方愿意让Josh Hart和OG Anunoby互相换防。 42:04 英文："Josh Hart’s still a decent matchup for Pascal. He did quite well against that in the semifinals last year." Josh Hart其实还是个不错的对位对象。去年准决赛时，Pascal对他表现得不错。 42:09 英文："Because Josh Hart tends to guard with an armbar, which is pretty effective for Siakam’s spin move game." 因为Josh Hart防守时习惯用手臂压制，而这对Siakam的转身招数其实没那麽有用。 42:13 英文："And then — great from Nembhard to cut down to the dunker spot there." 接着Nembhard切入到底线的空位区，这个动作非常棒。 42:16 英文："I thought it was a really good juxtaposition too, because not too long after Nembhard had made that cut..." 我觉得这种对比也很有趣，因为在Nembhard那次切入後没多久…… 42:20 英文："...Jaylen Brunson tried to walk Nembhard into the post." Jaylen Brunson试图把Nembhard往低位带。 42:23 英文："Siakam went to double. OG tries to cut off of that double." Siakam过来协防，OG试着从夹击中切入。 42:26 英文："And then Tyrese playing free safety makes a really good read there to anticipate it." 这时Tyrese像自由安全卫一样提前判断路线，成功预判了传球。 42:29 英文："So almost back-to-back possessions of similar things between the Pacers and the Knicks." 所以这其实是溜马与尼克连续两次攻防中出现的相似场景。 42:32 英文："Myles making that good fake shot to find Pascal at the other end." Myles在进攻端做了个漂亮的假投，然後传给Pascal。 42:35 英文："But this is kind of like — the Pacers ran this play three times in this game." 但这其实是——溜马这场比赛总共跑了这套战术三次。 42:38 英文："And I think it’s somewhat telling of what some of the challenges are going to be to get Pascal involved." 而这其实揭示了，要让Pascal融入进攻体系会面临哪些挑战。 42:42 英文："So they actually call it ‘two side’ — and just so people know — this is a staple of every Rick Carlisle playbook." 这套战术叫做“two side”，而且是Rick Carlisle战术本里的基本款之一。 42:46 英文："He ran it between Luka and guess who — Jalen Brunson when he coached in Dallas." 他以前在达拉斯执教时，常让Luka和你猜谁——Jalen Brunson一起跑这套战术。 42:51 英文："So they’re actually running Pascal off those staggered Iverson screens." 所以这里是让Pascal跑过一组错位的Iverson路线掩护。 42:54 英文："And typically, Obi would have followed and set the over screen to get an empty ball screen for Siakam." 通常是Obi会接着设定一个空边的掩护，让Siakam持球发动。 42:58 英文："But they know that OG’s not going to switch that with KAT involved." 但他们知道，只要KAT在场，OG就不会愿意换防。 43:01 英文："So instead, TJ just goes over the top and screens OG to get Josh Hart." 所以改由TJ绕上去帮Pascal设掩护，让他可以错位对上Josh Hart。 43:05 英文："Siakam gets off the ball because he knows that Ben is going to get the step-up screen for Nembhard." Siakam把球传出去，因为他知道Ben接下来会帮Nembhard做掩护。 43:09 英文："And then that’s what you’re talking about when you’re saying, you know, unselfish basketball from Siakam." 这就是你刚才说的Siakam在场上的无私打法。 43:13 英文："And the things that he’s going to have to do within kind of the ecosystem of the team." 这也是他在团队体系中需要做的各种小事之一。 43:16 英文："Nesmith sets that step-up for Matherin, and on the pop he immediately burn cuts." 接着Nesmith帮Matherin设置掩护，然後在Matherin的外抛动作中，Nesmith马上切入禁区 。 43:21 英文："As soon as — at the point of the pop — gets into the paint, sucks in OG." 他一冲进禁区就成功吸引了OG的注意力。 43:24 英文："Unfortunately, it’s TJ McConnell on the weak side. So you’re not really getting a lot of great spacing there to generate an open three-pointer." 但可惜的是，弱边那侧是TJ McConnell站在那里，所以没什麽好的空间可以创造空档三分 球。 43:30 英文："But if it had been somebody else — that’s, you know, playing within the team." 但如果换成其他射手站在那个位置，这个战术就能更有效率。 43:33 英文："So there — same exact play again — Benedict Matherin though is the person running off the staggered person." 接着他们又跑了一次完全一样的战术，不过这次是Benedict Matherin 从掩护切出。 43:38 英文："So that Siakam’s setting that empty screen for Ben." 所以Siakam改成帮Ben设置那个空边掩护。 43:40 英文："And again, you can see that when Siakam’s the screener, they’re not going to switch it when OG’s involved." 再一次，你可以看到当Siakam是设掩护的人，而对方有OG时，他们就不会换防。 43:44 英文："So he ends up just spacing to the corner." 所以Siakam最後就只好往底角拉开。 43:46 英文："And this is one of the threes that he got, where it’s still pretty contested." 这就是他出手其中一颗三分的情况，不过防守还是挺近的。 43:49 英文："So I think that particular play type kind of speaks to what the challenges are going to be for him." 所以这种战术形态也让我们看到Siakam在这系列赛里会遇到的困难。 43:53 英文："But I did want to highlight the fact that even though it was a play for him and the shot didn’t end up being for him..." 但我还是想强调，即使这些战术一开始是为他设计，最後出手者不是他…… 43:57 英文："...there was intermediary stuff that Siakam was still doing to grease the wheels for his teammates." Siakam在整个过程中还是做了很多推动球队进攻的串联动作。 44:02 英文："It’s also — it’s not at the level of Tyrese, of course — but there is, like, Pascal’s presence out there..." 虽然说这不及Tyrese那种等级，但Pascal的存在感本身…… 44:07 英文："...means that the Knicks are using resources to stop things that they don’t want from him." 就会让尼克不得不投入防守资源去限制他。 44:11 英文："And they have to expend those resources so that there’s opportunity elsewhere." 而这些资源被用来限制他，就会让场上其他人有机会出手。 44:14 英文："And the Pacers — as we've talked about — we've, you know, kicked around the weak link discussion, all that kind of stuff..." 而溜马——就像我们之前讨论过的——也不断尝试针对对手的弱点做文章…… 44:19 英文："...it really — it has showed in a bunch of games." 这一点在很多比赛里都看得出来。 44:21 英文："Turner going for 20 plus. Nembhard — Nesmith just scored 30." Turner拿了超过20分，Nembhard——Nesmith刚砍下30分。 44:25 英文："Nembhard of course, we know he can have huge games. He can be the dominant pick-and-roll possession player on the roster." Nembhard我们都知道他可以爆发，他可以是球队挡拆进攻里最具主导性的球员。 44:30 英文："Haliburton, Siakam — it's just like they make teams solve a problem at the front end of the play..." Haliburton、Siakam——这些人都能让对手一开球就得面对棘手问题…… 44:35 英文："...by the presence of a guy like — you know — 18.7 points per game Haliburton, 18.6 points per game Pascal." 像Haliburton场均18.7分、Pascal场均18.6分这种球员的存在，对手就得提前处理。 44:39 英文："They make the defense solve that problem, and then they go to something that is available because the defense is busy solving the other problem." 他们会让对方先处理一个麻烦点，然後趁机打另外一个空档，因为防守已经被牵制住。 44:44 英文："And credit to the other guys for making plays in — in lieu of that." 而且溜马其他球员也真的抓住了这些机会，完成了进攻。 44:48 英文："I think I've used the term 'in lieu' like six times on this podcast." 我觉得我在这集节目里已经讲了六次「in lieu」这个词了（笑）。 44:51 英文："I have some phrases like that — that when I go back and edit things, I ’m just like — will you please shut up and quit saying the same words." 我也有类似的口头禅，每次剪辑时都会想：拜托你闭嘴，别再重复这些词了好吗（笑）。 44:56 英文："Layup at the rim." 像是「禁区上篮」这种话，我也一直讲（笑）。 44:59 英文："Okay, so final thing that I have prepared for you, which I thought would be fun..." 好啦，接下来是我准备的最後一个段落，我觉得这个会很好玩…… 45:02 英文："...because you've told me a few times that you, you know, were covering the Raptors in their championship year." 因为你之前有好几次提到，你当年有跑暴龙夺冠那一年球季的报导。 45:06 英文："That's funny — when someone else made a bounce clutch shot, admittedly in a Game 7..." 这很有趣——当别人投进一颗弹跳的致胜球时，虽然那是在抢七大战…… 45:09 英文："Tyrese makes a bounce clutch shot in this game." 但这场比赛，Tyrese 也投进了一颗弹跳致胜球。 45:11 英文："You said we’re really not going to watch Tyrese’s clutch shot? Of course we are." 你说我们不会来看Tyrese的关键进球？当然要看啊。 45:14 英文："So I'm going to let you watch it, and then you tell me — which bounce clutch shot was better, Samson?" 所以我现在让你看这球，然後你来告诉我——哪一颗弹跳致胜球比较厉害，Samson？ 45:19 英文："Oh come on — it's — sorry, it’s Kawawryse." 喔拜托啦——那颗……抱歉，我叫它 Kawawryse（Kawhi＋Tyrese 的组合名） 45:21 英文："Because like this as a shot — I think the four-bouncer statistically — the spread's — well, the four-bouncer statistically I think is probably a little bit more likely." 因为就这个出手来说——Kawhi那颗四次弹跳的球——就机率而言其实稍微合理一点。 45:27 英文："Like the shot on its own is — I think Tyrese’s is more stupendous." 但如果单纯论这个出手的内容，我觉得Tyrese那球更惊人。 45:30 英文："Because like Kawhi is shooting, yes, a fadeaway over Joel Embiid, but the context couching these two shots is really tough." 因为Kawhi那球虽然是在 Joel Embiid 面前後仰出手，但这两颗球背後的情境真的不好比 。 45:36 英文："Because what Tyrese — it's the greatest comeback in playoff history as far as just like the probability of it." 因为Tyrese这球——就纯粹以数据机率来说——可能是季後赛史上最不可能的逆转。 45:40 英文："But the Raptors — it won the series, Game 7." 但Kawhi那球，是赢下了系列赛第七战。 45:42 英文："But also like — Tyrese, the chutzpah — oh my God." 但Tyrese的胆量和魄力……我的天啊。 45:45 英文："They’re down — like Kawhi, if he misses that, they go to overtime." 因为那时溜马落後——Kawhi如果没投进，还可以打延长。 45:49 英文："If Tyrese misses that, it's a loss at the Garden." 但如果Tyrese那球没进，就是在麦迪逊花园输球收场。 45:52 英文："There’s no timeout. He just had to get it and go." 当时没有暂停，他只能拿到球直接来。 45:54 英文："And that’s what he conjured, Samson. That is what he conjured." 而这就是他创造出的奇蹟，Samson，这就是他创造的场面。 45:57 英文："And I — like I was saying this before the podcast — and since I don't really have time for banter today, my apologies to everybody." 然後——就像我在录节目前说的——今天我没太多时间闲聊，先跟大家说声抱歉。 46:02 英文："I know the banter is beloved, so I’ll take this here — an insight into me." 我知道大家很喜欢我们的闲聊段落，所以这边就来点个人小揭露吧。 46:06 英文："Tyrese was not — I really like Tyrese — but he’s not my favorite play style of guard." 其实Tyrese——我很喜欢他这个人——但他原本不是我最喜欢的控球类型。 46:10 英文："My God, has he won me over." 但天啊，他真的让我整个被征服了。 46:12 英文："And it's not like I was a hater or anything — but my God, has he won me over." 我也不是一开始讨厌他——但天啊，他真的让我彻底改观。 46:15 英文："To sit and watch this guy — and to of course do it alongside of you — and you’re able to unearth and show like..." 能够坐下来欣赏他的比赛——还能跟你一起分析、一起看你挖掘出那些…… 46:20 英文："...this is the unseen benefit of things — but there’s that." 这些场上大家平常看不到的隐性价值——你都能挖出来。 46:23 英文："But in this playoff run, Tyrese has just been — like, you’ll see it." 但这轮季後赛里，Tyrese简直是——你自己看了就知道。 46:27 英文："It’s — no — there’s — yeah, there’s all the unseen stuff — but I ’m going to show you in your face repeatedly what I do." 不只是那些你看不到的技术细节——他还会一次次直接在你面前证明自己。 46:32 英文："And like the tough drives to the rim, the series-winning layup beating Giannis in isolation..." 像那些艰难的切入、像在对位Giannis时投进那颗致胜上篮…… 46:36 英文："...these insane sprints into the middle, sprints back out, playing tag, playing running away from guys..." 或是那种冲进禁区再跑回三分线、像在玩鬼抓人一样的快速来回…… 46:40 英文："...and then just launching at the rim — back rim, 10 feet high — boop — drops in." 然後就在篮筐前突然拔起跳投——弹在後框、弹得超高——然後『啵』一声掉进网里。 46:45 英文："I just — the immensity of his shot-making and the immensity of his brilliance as an on-ball playmaker..." 我只能说——他的投篮能力之强、他在持球组织上的智慧之高…… 46:50 英文："...and the immensity of his gravity outside of that." 还有他在场上制造牵制力的程度之大。 46:53 英文："All of this is coalesced into the numbers — like roughly 19 and just under 10 assists per game — does not properly convey what the hell has been happening here." 这些全部都反映在他的数据上——场均大约19分、不到10次助攻——但这些数字根本无法 真正说明他在场上到底完成了什麽奇蹟。 46:59 英文："Not in the slightest." 完全不够看。 47:01 英文："And there are guys who are gonna go — you know — at the end of their playoff runs it says like 35 points per game and maybe like 8 assists..." 你会看到有些球员打完整个季後赛，帐面上可能写着场均35分、8次助攻…… 47:06 英文："...and you might be like — that's like twice as much." 你可能会觉得：那不是比Tyrese数据高两倍吗？ 47:08 英文："Tyrese is multiplying in all of the unseen areas." 但Tyrese是在那些大家看不到的地方，把影响力放大了好几倍。 47:11 英文："And he's — oh my God — I’m an analyst so I’m not supposed to be a fan..." 而他——我的天啊——我是做分析的，理论上我不该像球迷一样…… 47:15 英文："...but I've become quite a fan of his game." 但我真的完全被他的比赛风格圈粉了。 47:18 英文："He — I'm thankful that you invite me on these playoff runs." 他——我很感谢你让我参与这一连串季後赛的旅程。 47:21 英文："Last year's was a lot more frustrating because players were more limited." 去年那一轮其实比较令人沮丧，因为球员的条件和选择都比较有限。 47:25 英文："The team wasn’t as vast in what they’re able to do." 那时候这支球队能做的事也没那麽多样化。 47:27 英文："This year — what a treat." 但今年——真的是太享受了。 47:29 英文："Every time you tune in — and led by that man who continues to wow me..." 每次打开比赛，就看到那个人又让我惊艳一次…… 47:33 英文："...it's — what a player." 他——真的是一个太棒的球员。 47:35 英文："You might say that he is a star and would certainly be a star if they won a championship. Would you not?" 你可以说他已经是个明星了——而如果他们真的夺冠，他绝对会成为巨星，你不觉得吗？ 47:40 英文："We need to cover a Finals game. We need to aim higher." 我们应该来报导总冠军赛。我们要把目标设得更高。 47:43 英文："Looks like a number one option." 他现在看起来完全是第一主将的样子。 47:45 英文："No ‘cause uh he scores — he only scores 18.7 points per game. So that ’s not allowed." 不行啦，因为他场均只有18.7分，这样不能当第一主将（笑）。 47:49 英文："I can see it." 我已经看见那画面了。 47:50 英文："Well I mean what I’ve learned in the last — as I’ve told people through the playoff run is that mostly we don’t enjoy basketball." 我这轮季後赛最深刻的体会就是——其实大多数人并不是真的在「享受」篮球。 47:56 英文："We like — see it by the way — you see the path before you..." 我们喜欢的其实是——你知道——去猜测未来的可能走向…… 47:58 英文："We enjoy complaining about basketball." 我们其实更享受的是「抱怨」篮球。 48:00 英文："And we find new and unique ways to pick apart all of the stars of the Conference Finals on nearly a nightly basis it seems." 而且每晚几乎都会找出新花样，去挑剔分区决赛里的明星球员们。 48:04 英文："But yeah — people don’t like basketball, I think." 但对啊——我觉得大家其实不是真的喜欢篮球。 48:07 英文："They like complaining about basketball." 他们是喜欢「抱怨」篮球。 48:09 英文："The more vast something gets, it’s just going to draw people in." 而某样事物越是庞大，越容易吸引各式各样的人加入。 48:12 英文："And negativity does really well online." 而且负面情绪在网路上特别容易扩散。 48:15 英文："And so — which speaks to — big to the audience here." 所以这也点出了一个重点——对於我们这里的观众来说也是如此。 48:18 英文："I think that we were mostly positive here — highlighting the very good basketball that was played by the Indiana Pacers." 但我觉得我们今天的节目大多是正向的——着重在溜马这场打得有多棒。 48:24 英文："During the 12 minutes when they outscored the New York Knicks 46 to 27." 尤其是在那12分钟内，他们以46比27狂电尼克的时候。 48:28 英文："What I’ve reflected on, especially with the number of people who reached out to me ahead of the Eastern Conference Finals..." 这让我特别有感触，特别是在东区冠军赛开打前，有这麽多人来联络我…… 48:33 英文："...wanting to know if you would be on the keyboard to help keep this playoff run running." 想知道你会不会继续加入我们，为这段季後赛旅程出力打字、分析。 48:37 英文："Is I made a joke last night on my own message board in which I wrote..." 我昨晚还在我自己的留言板上开玩笑写道…… 48:41 英文："...the two biggest acquisitions for the Pacers over the last year: Pascal Siakam and obviously you writing for my outlet." 过去一年对溜马来说最重要的两笔补强：Pascal Siakam，还有你来帮我这边写稿（笑） 。 48:47 英文："Because I just — I don’t know where the Pacers would be right now if this wasn’t occurring." 因为说真的——如果你没有加入，我都不知道现在溜马的季後赛之路会变成什麽样子了。 48:52 英文："Yeah — uh — it's symbiotic." 对啊——这是一种互惠共生的关系。 48:55 英文："That was a good representation of a lot of our conversation." 这整段真的很能代表我们的节目风格（笑）。 48:58 英文："That’s funny." 太好笑了。 48:59 英文："Oh yeah — well, what are you eyeing at? Where are you off to today — the meadow?" 对了，你今天要去哪里啊？去野外散步吗？ 49:03 英文："Where are you going — the climbing gym — Josh — and in a sweater?" 你今天是去攀岩馆吗？Josh也一起？还穿毛衣？ 49:07 英文："Well it’s not been nice out the past — I’ve been writing more because it’s not been nice out." 最近天气都不好——所以我反而写了更多文章，因为没什麽好出门的。 49:11 英文："Uh, and I’ve been watching more prospect tape because that’s what I do." 嗯，而且我也在看更多选秀新秀的比赛影片，这就是我会做的事。 49:14 英文："I write these insane adrenaline junkie–filled Pacers games..." 我一边写着这些充满肾上腺素、疯狂刺激的溜马比赛…… 49:17 英文："...and then I quietly go watch some East Washington Big Sky Conference basketball to see what Cedric Coward is up to." 然後我又默默转头去看东华盛顿大学（East Washington）在大天空联盟的比赛，看看 Cedric Coward最近表现怎样。 49:22 英文："So that’s what — yeah. But today, climbing." 所以这就是我做的事——不过今天是去攀岩。 49:25 英文："Have to even out the highs and lows." 得让生活的高低潮稍微平衡一下。 49:27 英文："Yeah, those last five minutes were a lot to handle last night." 昨晚最後那五分钟真的让人情绪爆炸。 49:30 英文："I was like — I remember it was before — it was when Pascal was still a Raptor..." 我记得那是在——Pascal还在暴龙的时候…… 49:33 英文："...and the Raptors had this early season comeback against the Spurs..." 那时暴龙在球季初对马刺打出一场逆转胜…… 49:36 英文："...where maybe it was like seven points in two minutes." 好像是在最後两分钟追回七分左右。 49:38 英文："Like — wow — what a comeback." 当时就觉得——哇喔，这真是一场精彩逆转！ 49:40 英文："And I watched a 30-point comeback from the Kyle Lowry Raptors against the Mavericks." 我还记得当年Kyle Lowry带领暴龙对独行侠上演30分大逆转。 49:44 英文："I’ve watched games — but the Pacers have like four of the most improbable comebacks..." 我看过很多比赛——但溜马在这几周就上演了四次几乎不可能的逆转胜…… 49:48 英文："...in the space of a month." 而且都是在短短一个月内发生的。 49:49 英文："And then even going back to the regular season they had two absolutely improbable ones." 甚至回顾例行赛，他们也有两场完全不合理的逆转比赛。 49:52 英文："I don’t — I had more than that." 不止——其实我看过更多场了。 49:54 英文："Yeah, seven." 对啦，七场。 49:55 英文："Yeah probably like seven, actually." 对，其实大概有七场逆转。 49:57 英文："I don’t understand — because it almost seems like it’s what we talked about with Benji..." 我真的搞不懂——这简直就像我们之前和Benji讨论的那样…… 49:57 英文："I don’t understand — because it almost seems like it’s what we talked about with Benji..." 我真的搞不懂——这简直就像我们之前和Benji讨论的那样…… 50:00 英文："...where I said, you know, like the Knicks are shooting this percentage in the last four seconds of the shot clock, which isn’t necessarily predictive." 我那时候说，你知道的，像尼克队在最後四秒出手命中率这麽高，这种数据其实未必有预 测性。 50:05 英文："And Benji says, ‘Well, this has been a thing.’" 结果Benji说：「嗯，这已经变成一种趋势了。」 50:07 英文："And it’s like, ‘Yeah, that’s true.’" 然後我就觉得：「对啊，好像也是真的。」 50:09 英文："And the Pacers — like I said — the horror movie — you're in a long hallway." 然後溜马就像我说过的——像恐怖片里那种情境——你人在一条长长的走廊里。 50:13 英文："Every time you look back, the shadow is four feet closer." 你每次回头看，阴影就比上次更靠近四英尺。 50:15 英文："It just like — it comes off as an inevitability against the improbable nature of it." 那种感觉就像是——对抗这种几乎不可能的逆转，却又带着一种「它迟早会发生」的宿命 感。 50:19 英文："I don’t know how they achieve this." 我真的不知道他们是怎麽做到的。 50:21 英文："And it’s different every time." 而且每一次的方式都不一样。 50:23 英文："Like — there’s — it’s just — ah." 就是——真的是——唉。 50:26 英文："Basketball — almost like — it’s almost like a Christmas movie..." 篮球——这感觉就像——几乎像是一部圣诞电影…… 50:29 英文："...where they're like — ‘In order to save Christmas, we have to have more Christmas spirit to power this.’" 剧情会说：「为了拯救圣诞节，我们得靠更多的圣诞精神来驱动它。」 50:33 英文："And every time they get one more improbable win, it powers the belief that they'll get another one just a little bit more." 而每一次他们又赢下一场不可思议的比赛，那种「我们能再赢一场」的信念就会更加强烈 。 50:38 英文："Powered by belief." 由信念驱动的队伍。 50:39 英文："Yep — a Christmas miracle." 没错——就像一场圣诞奇蹟。 50:41 英文："Yeah — unbelievable man." 真的太不可思议了，兄弟。 50:42 英文："I say like — the mandate of heaven — which again — somebody called me out on this..." 我有时会说这是「天命」——然後，有人跳出来纠正我…… 50:46 英文："They're like, ‘That's a little bit much of the God stuff.’" 他们会说：「你讲这种上帝啊命运啊讲得太超过了吧。」 50:48 英文："And I was like, ‘Okay I guess, you know, whatever.’" 我心里想：「好啦，随便啦，反正你们怎麽想就怎麽想。」 50:51 英文："But the mandate of heaven is not about God necessarily." 但「天命」其实不一定真的是跟上帝有关。 50:53 英文："It's about being the leader of China and being ordained by God. That is the mandate of heaven." 它其实是中国古代讲的「君权天授」，一个人被上天选中来领导天下，这才叫天命。 50:57 英文："The Pacers have it." 而溜马，现在就拥有这份天命。 50:58 英文："They are — they — oh my days. Unbelievable." 他们就是——他们——天啊，真是令人难以置信。 51:01 英文："What a team." 这支球队，太强了。 51:04 英文："Well, I think that’s pretty much all we have to say about Game 1." 好啦，我想我们该讲的差不多都讲完了，这就是第一战的全部。 51:07 英文："I will say that I tried to title this, you know, in movie form because it felt like we were watching a movie." 我得说，我试着用电影的角度来命名这集节目，因为这场比赛真的就像一部电影。 51:12 英文："I do wonder, because obviously there was a lot of plot twists in terms of the shot making..." 我真的在想，因为很明显这场比赛在投篮表现上充满了情节转折…… 51:16 英文："...and what all happened at the last 12 minutes." 还有最後12分钟发生的所有那些事。 51:18 英文："But I do wonder which team will blink first in terms of making some series-changing adjustments." 但我也在想，到底是哪一队会率先眨眼，做出足以改变整个系列战的重大调整？ 51:23 英文："And what we have in store in Game 2." 还有第二战会出现什麽新剧情。 51:25 英文："But a follow-up question: you say we need to set our sights higher for covering the Finals." 不过我有个延伸问题：你刚才说我们应该把目标放在报导总冠军赛。 51:30 英文："I think that both of us picked the Pacers in the preview." 我记得我们两个在赛前预测时都选了溜马。 51:32 英文："I don’t think our sights were right there — were they?" 我们的目标应该已经够远大了吧，对吗？ 51:35 英文："No, but — no, no — I’m saying like, we’ll cover the Finals..." 不是啦，我的意思是——我们会去现场报导总冠军赛…… 51:38 英文："It no longer — it is no longer should be because the Indy 500 is a thorn in the side of — I’m saying in person." 而且再也不是因为印地500赛车妨碍我们——我是说我们应该亲自去现场。 51:43 英文："Oh, I’m saying we need — suddenly, suddenly — okay, whatever." 哦，我懂你的意思了，我们应该——突然之间——好啦，随便啦（笑）。 51:46 英文："Now that I already agreed to it and now that you might get to see Shai Gilgeous-Alexander in the —" 既然我都已经答应了，而且你可能还会看到Shai Gilgeous-Alexander出现在—— 51:50 英文："You’re too much. You’re way too much." 你太夸张了，真的太夸张了啦（笑）。 51:52 英文："I agreed. First round, second round, third round, fourth — I agreed." 我答应你了啦，从第一轮、第二轮、第三轮到第四轮，我都有答应。 51:56 英文："Oh, you were eyeing other plans. You were eyeing other plans." 喔，你那时候根本就是在考虑其他行程吧（笑）。 51:59 英文："It’s my dog, you know. It’s my dog." 因为是我家狗啦，你也知道的，是我家的狗。 52:02 英文："People who don’t know the context will be like, is it his friend, you know, whatever..." 不知道背景的人可能会想说，那是他朋友吗，还是什麽…… 52:06 英文："But secret — no, we need to cover — there needs to be two people in — was it Bankers Life Fieldhouse? Is that the — Gamebridge, Sam?" 但其实秘密是——不，我们真的该去报导——现场得要有两个人——是叫 Bankers Life Fieldhouse 吗？还是叫 Gamebridge，Sam？ 52:12 英文："Oh right, Gamebridge." 喔对，现在叫 Gamebridge。 52:13 英文："There needs to — I’m supposed to know this." 我应该要知道这个名字才对啦。 52:15 英文："There needs to be two — maybe somebody hasn’t watched my popsicle trips where I’ve stood in front of the — watch..." 那里应该要有两个人——也许有些人没看过我之前的 popsicle 特辑，那时我就站在场馆 前……你去看看。 52:20 英文："You know what’s funny is I got this wrong before and you made the same joke..." 好笑的是我之前也讲错这个名字，你那时候也开过一样的玩笑…… 52:24 英文："...and I just keep memory holing it — no brain." 然後我一直都记不起来这名字——我脑袋真的记不住。 2:26^文："Sent you pictures of stuff from outside of there — no brain, as it ere."我还传了场馆外面的照片给你——结果还是没记住，真的是没脑袋。52:29^文："But I think there needs to be two people — Caitlin and Samson — earing ‘Basketball, She Wrote’ merch..."但我觉得现场真的要有两个人——Caitlin 和 Samson——穿着『Basketball, She Wrotez的周边商品……52:35^文："...covering a game at the Finals."一起在总冠军赛现场报导比赛。52:37^文："I think — I mean, I even did go full sleeveless, like I’m — yeah."我觉得啦——我甚至都已经穿无袖出场了，像是……对啊。 52:40 英文："But Tyrese is so cold, you know. He’s so tough. I had to wear the sweater." 但 Tyrese 打得太冷静、太硬派了，我只好穿毛衣了（笑）。 52:43 英文："I had to go with the hot girl basketball shirt." 我只好穿上那件「热辣女孩打篮球」的T恤了。 52:46 英文："Cuz the close with Obi Toppin in a starting lineup and they scored 46 points in 12 minutes." 因为Obi Toppin在先发阵容收尾的那段，他们12分钟内拿下46分啊。 52:50 英文："And the Obi-Toppin piece I wrote — they will focus so much else that he will..." 还有我之前写的那篇关於Obi Toppin的文章——大家会太关注其他地方，而他就会…… 52:54 英文："...the prophet." ……像个先知一样发光。 52:55 英文："Well not nearly as much as you." 但当然还是没你那麽亮眼啦。 52:57 英文："I like — how's it feel to be the best basketball analyst in the world?" 我想问——当全世界最强篮球分析师是什麽感觉？ 53:01 英文："Oh we should have frontloaded. We should have frontloaded." 哎呀我们应该一开始就先说这个的，应该把这段放前面。 53:04 英文："Do you know that if we ever have a podcast where I actually name a podcast..." 你知道吗，如果我们哪天真的开一个有名字的Podcast…… 53:07 英文："...and it's not just, you know, Caitlin and Samson talking on Caitlin’ s YouTube channel..." 而不是只是「Caitlin跟Samson在Caitlin的YouTube频道上聊天」的那种节目…… 53:11 英文："...I think it’s going to be called The Front Runners. Is it not?" 我觉得我们应该叫它《The Front Runners》，不是吗？ 53:14 英文："That would be funny if it was a Pacers podcast." 如果是溜马专属的节目，这名字会超有趣的。 53:16 英文："Yeah, but if it was like NBA-wide, I think we’d have to have something with more mass appeal." 对啊，但如果是全NBA向的节目，我们应该得取一个更有普遍吸引力的名字。 53:20 英文："And like — we won’t be so lucky. Like my other podcast — I don’t think anything that I do has mass appeal." 而且我们应该没那麽幸运啦。就像我其他的Podcast——我觉得我做的东西都没什麽大众 吸引力。 53:25 英文："It’s not really my — it’s not really my brand." 那不是我的风格啦。 53:28 英文："Big niche." 小众到极致的风格。 53:29 英文："It's the same — it's the same for me." 我也是——我也走一样的路线。 53:31 英文："But what helps is being funny." 但有一件事很有帮助，那就是要有趣。 53:33 英文："Being funny and laughing a lot gets a lot of people in." 幽默、爱笑，会吸引很多人来听。 53:36 英文："I noticed that because Trey and I — literally, we talked for like 18 minutes about Ja’Kobe Walter’s screen navigation..." 我注意到这点，是因为我跟Trey聊了大概18分钟，就在讲Ja’Kobe Walter怎麽走过掩护 …… 53:41 英文："...but we just bust up, and people are like, ‘This is great. I like this.’" 但我们中间一直大笑，结果观众反而说：「这太棒了，我很喜欢。」 53:44 英文："Because I think it’s just easier to listen to." 因为我觉得这样节目会更好听、更轻松。 53:46 英文："So you and I laugh and you make fun of me. So, you know, then I laugh really hard." 所以我们两个在节目里一直笑，你还会开我玩笑，然後我就会笑到不行（笑）。 53:50 英文："I can be funny. I know people say this a lot." 我也是可以搞笑的啦。我知道大家常常这样说。 53:53 英文："They’ll be like — they’ll be surprised — they’ll be surprised when I have funny tweets or I say funny things some way." 他们都会很惊讶——看到我发一些搞笑的推文，或是偶尔讲一些有趣的话，他们都很惊讶 。 53:57 英文："No, you’re — yeah, it’s — it’s quick wit. Sharp." 不不不，你真的——对，你是很机智，很犀利的那种幽默。 54:00 英文："Especially in your commentary around my Indiana arrival — or my short responses." 尤其是你对我初到印第安纳的评论——或是我那些简短回应时，你的吐槽特别好笑。 54:04 英文："Yup. Okay. Well, I’m gonna let you close it out." 对啊。好啦，我让你来做结尾吧。 54:06 英文："Whatever else you want to say here, that way you can get to rock climbing..." 你想说什麽都行，这样你就可以赶快去攀岩了…… 54:09 英文："...and hopefully the rock climbing gym where popsicles are sold." 而且希望那间攀岩馆有卖冰棒。 54:12 英文："That’s all I can — that’s the best wish that I have for you." 这是我能给你的——最棒的祝福了。 54:15 英文："I’m going to have a creamsicle at the end of it. You bet your bottom dollar." 我最後一定会吃上一支橘子冰棒，你放心好了。 54:18 英文："You — you’ve earned that creamsicle. Yes." 你——你真的值得那支橘子冰棒。没错。 54:21 英文："Uh, okay. Here it is. Ladies and gentlemen and Thems..." 嗯，好，接下来是——各位先生女士，还有所有朋友们…… 54:24 英文："Caitlin Cooper is the best basketball writer in the world." Caitlin Cooper 是全世界最棒的篮球写手。 54:27 英文："And she writes for her Patreon, Basketball, She Wrote." 她经营的 Patreon 节目叫做《Basketball, She Wrote》。 54:30 英文："If you have the means to support, please do so." 如果你有能力支持，请一定要订阅。 54:32 英文："It is how we sustain this." 这是我们能持续创作的方式。 54:34 英文："And without this, this type of coverage does not exist." 要是没有这样的支持，就不会有这种深入的篮球分析存在。 54:49 英文："It helps more people." 这会帮助更多人接触到这些内容。 54:51 英文："Pause — a quick pause before you say your last phrase." 等一下——在你讲最後一句之前先暂停一下。 54:54 英文："Samson is also the best basketball in the world." Samson 也是世界上最棒的篮球分析师之一。 54:56 英文："Hence why I’ve brought him in from out of market to do this coverage..." 这也是我从外地把他请来一起做这系列报导的原因…… 54:59 英文："...and to do these podcasts with me." 还有和我一起录这些Podcast。 55:06 英文："...you also get all of his writing and all of his thoughts and all of his talking and all of his monologues." 你还会看到他所有的文章、想法、评论，还有他那些精彩的长篇独白。 55:10 英文："That he continues to use, that I clip, that then bring people to the podcast." 他每次都会讲，我就会把它剪下来放上来吸引大家来听Podcast。 55:13 英文："You very clearly brought me on, one, for good vibes..." 你请我来这节目，第一，是因为我带来好气氛…… 55:15 英文："...or two, because I clearly am connected to the power of belief that is supporting the Pacers." 第二，显然是因为我和那股支撑着溜马的信念力量连上线了。 55:18 英文："My only — Blake. That bastard Blake Murphy." 只有一个人例外——Blake。那混蛋Blake Murphy。 55:21 英文："I watched that game with him." 我那场比赛就是跟他一起看的。 55:22 英文："That’s the only game that the Pacers have lost where I’ve written about it." 那是唯一一场我写文分析後溜马输掉的比赛。 55:25 英文："It’s his fault. And Star Wars’ fault, if we’re being honest." 都是他的错。说实话，也要怪星际大战。 55:28 英文："And the Star Wars movie franchise." 还有整个星际大战系列电影。 55:30 英文："Yeah, apparently season two of Andor is really good. Josh is begging me to watch it." 对啊，听说《Andor》第二季真的很好看。Josh一直求我去看。 55:34 英文："But anyway — Caitlin’s the best. I’m not the best." 但总之——Caitlin 是最棒的。我不是。 55:36 英文："She can say whatever the hell she wants, but it’s not true. Don’t believe her." 她想怎麽夸我都可以，但那不是真的。别信她。 55:40 英文："Believe me." 信我才对。 55:41 英文："Okay everybody, thank you so much for tuning in." 好啦，各位，谢谢你们今天收听。 55:43 英文："Like, comment, subscribe — it helps push it to other people who will see this..." 请按赞、留言、订阅——这样会把节目推广给更多人…… 55:47 英文："...who will learn about basketball and learn to appreciate the Pacers and basketball more." 他们会更了解篮球、也更欣赏溜马和这项运动。 55:50 英文："And hopefully give us money. I’m just kidding." 然後希望他们愿意赞助我们啦。开玩笑的（笑）。 55:53 英文："Anyway, thank you so much for tuning in, everybody." 总之，真的非常感谢大家收听。 55:55 英文："Whether you got into this in the morning or at night — Go Pacers." 不管你是早上还是晚上收听的——Go Pacers！ 55:58 英文："Have a blessed day and goodbye." 祝你今天愉快，掰掰。 54:37 英文："Full stop. Many people have attested to this. It’s the truth." 就这麽简单。很多人都证明了这件事，这是真的。 54:40 英文："If you have the means, please support. That’s about it." 如果你负担得起，请支持她。就这样。 54:43 英文："And I thank you very much for listening to us. Like, comment, subscribe — all that kind of stuff." 谢谢你收听我们的节目。记得按赞、留言、订阅——所有那些事情。 54:47 英文："It helps get the message out further." 这会帮助我们把内容传递给更多人。 本专文十大重点整理 : 1：从 0.0% 胜率到 OT 奇蹟，溜马用信念与节奏逆转命运 在第四节剩下 7:22 时，溜马仍落後 92-108，根据 Michael Pina 的统计，当时的胜率 为「0.0%」。Rick Carlisle 的暂停是起点，但真正的转捩点是球员们对节奏与时机的拿 捏——46-27 的最後 12 分钟分差，几乎等同一节得分近 50 分的爆发，正如主持人形容 ：「这不只是战术层面的转变，而是进入一种 stratospheric（脱离常理） 的进攻状态 。」 2：Tyrese Haliburton 用节奏主宰时空，投进逆转三分 Haliburton 在整场比赛中再次展现了他「节奏型控卫」的顶级操作。他不只命中那记逆 转三分（回跑三分线拔起），更让人印象深刻的是他的 shot selection 与时机感。根据 节目所引，Haliburton 本季在最後两分钟出手「关键追平／超前球」的命中率为 12 投 14 中。这类数据并不只是 clutch，而是「系统级稳定的杀手」。 3：Aaron Nesmith 完整进化，从定点射手到 off-dribble 武器 本场比赛 Nesmith 命中 6 记三分球，其中有 4 球来自运球後出手（off-the-dribble） ，是季後赛生涯首次展现此功力。根据 Caitlin 分析，Nesmith 在本季季後赛开打前， 整季「运球三分」的出手命中率仅为 1/4，而去年更低到仅 1/10。这场比赛他在短时间 内用 pin-down、ghost flare、one-dribble side-step 等技术全面打开身手，成为不可 忽视的 swing factor。 4：Ben Sheppard 对 Brunson 的防守彻底改变比赛节奏 在 Brunson 前 25 次出手中，有 21 球来自 14 尺以内，而他连续命中 6 球时溜马苦无 对策。直到 Sheppard 上场後，Brunson 的 shot diet（出手选择）被改变为连续 3 次 step-back 三分。虽然命中率不差，但节奏被拉远、控球时间增加，导致尼克 transition 掉速，溜马则能有效组织快攻。Samson 更赞誉这段为「Iguodala 防 LeBron 等级的防守成就」。 5：溜马以战术连锁破解尼克防守，让 Brunson 无所遁形 Caitlin 精确分析了溜马如何用「screen the screener → Chicago action → delay pick」连续战术，把 Brunson 不断拉进掩护中消耗。他在本场比赛中作为「掩护防守者」 一共参与了 23 次挡拆防守，这个数字几乎等同他去年整个对溜马系列赛（7 场）总共 防守的 32 次。Pacers 明确锁定他为进攻弱点，透过设计如「连续双掩护（double drag ）」与「冲刺式切入（stampede cut）」等战术，反覆让他卷入掩护与轮转，使 Knicks 的防线结构无法稳定建立，从而彻底瓦解防守节奏。 6：Pacers 教练团换人决策精准，用最弱球员创造最强连动 当 Nesmith 与 Nembhard 同时陷入犯规麻烦时，Carlisle 放上了 Ben Sheppard。这看 似是人手不足的应变，却在实质上打乱了 Knicks 的轮转。Brunson 被迫守 Sheppard， 使得 Nesmith 能转往弱边成为自由移动的 off-ball 威胁，同时降低其防守压力。这种 「用最不具威胁的球员转换结构优势」的策略，是典型高阶 coaching 操作。 7：Obi Toppin 被信任为关键边线战术终结者 在 OT 关键 20 秒，Carlisle 设计了一个 NFL 式的 sideline out-of-bounds play， 由 Toppin 完成上篮。此战术设计刻意让 Siakam 与 Haliburton 站在 LOGO 附近吸引防 守，制造「3 on 3 空场」。最後读取 Mitchell Robinson 的防守决策後，Nemhard 将球 传给 Toppin，制造得分。这不只是战术成功，而是队内信任结构的完美体现。 8：Siakam 虽低调但贡献稳定，是联防结构的支撑核心 本场 Siakam 的出手不多、命中率也不佳，但他在战术转场、半场联防中的角色极其关键 。他多次主动掩护与转身切位，为其他队友创造空间。当 Knicks 派出 Josh Hart、OG Anunoby 守他时，溜马则让他站底角或担任假持球人，不落入包夹陷阱，显示其角色理解 与教练团使用方式高度成熟。 9：这支溜马已拥有「关键时刻肌肉记忆」 节目中提到，溜马整支球队已发展出在 clutch 时刻的「肌肉记忆」，不再依赖单一球 星 Hero Ball，而是透过信任、习惯与协作自然打出正确选择。主持人形容他们就像圣诞 电影中靠「圣诞精神」驱动的主角，每一次 improbable 的胜利，都让团队更相信「下一 场还能做到」。 10：「天命所归」的气场成形，连对手都感到恐惧 主持人将这支溜马比喻为恐怖片中「从长廊深处缓慢逼近的黑影」，即使知道他们会逆转 ，却无法阻止。他们不是靠明星单打，而是靠节奏、团队与信念。节目末尾，两位主持人 甚至用「Mandate of Heaven（天命）」来形容这支球队的命运走向——不只是赢了一场 球，而是踏上了命中注定的道路。 结论 : 好戏才正要开始 - Game 1 的胜利，对溜马来说既是一场技术的胜利，也是一场信念的胜利。但正如 Caitlin 和 Samson 所言，这场比赛只是「序章」，真正决定系列战走向的，是双方如何 在 Game 2 作出因应与调整。 对尼克而言，Jalen Brunson 的疲劳与防守被针对已是警讯，他在本场成为掩护防守者 23 次，几乎与去年整个系列赛对溜马加总相当。若不想再被「猎杀」，Thibodeau 势必 得调整换防策略，甚至可能考虑增加 Deuce McBride 的上场时间，或在非Mitchell Robinson时间段改变包夹判断，降低溜马的 swing 探底战术成功率。 至於溜马这边，虽然 Haliburton 和 Nesmith 的火力表现惊人，但能否维持这种「整体 型信任进攻」仍是关键。Carlisle 是否会继续让 Obi 与 Siakam 打 inverted spacing （内外颠倒战术），Sheppard 能否继续有效限制 Brunson 出手角度，都将是观战重点。 同时，Mitchell Robinson 的破坏性篮板与「保龄球式掩护」是 Pacers 必须严肃面对的 挑战。他数次在人墙中像推倒保龄球般「撞飞」溜马前场，主持人甚至说：「你无法只靠 身体卡住他，你还得设法赢得那颗球的路权」。Pacers 若想抵抗 Robinson 的强悍破坏 力，可能需要让 Siakam 与 Haliburton 组合出更强的「面对面封阻」，或采用 Oklahoma City Thunder 所用的「face-guard＋弱边 swooper」系统，从後侧空间抢位封 球路。 Caitlin 在节目最後也提到：「这场比赛有如一部剧情充满反转的电影，但真正的『系列 转捩点』调整，可能要从第二战才正式开始。」 Game 2，才是这场东冠对决的真正开战。 Let's Go Pacers, 期待第二场精彩的比赛! 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