作者fch010720 (sixpence)
站内NY-Yankees
标题[新闻] Torre uncomfortable with pay cut, incentives in deal
时间Sat Oct 20 03:35:02 2007
今天Torre亲口说出拒绝合约的原因,的确是因为对合约内容的不满
身为12年的教头,他对只有一年,还外加条件的合约无法接受
虽然如此,记者会中他还是对在球迷、Yankees Organization,球员充满感谢
Torre 记者会Video:
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?
videoId=3070656&categoryId=2378529&n8pe6c=1
http://tinyurl.com/yt2yzu
ESPN报导大要:
1. Torre 并非觉得合约的金额不够慷慨,只是合约内容让他觉得高层的态度是
"let me see what you can do for me." 而非
"we're trying to do something together"
2. Torre不排除去他队都执教的可能
3. Pettitte表达了他的不舍,他仍未决定明年是否回来
ESPN 报导:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3070544
Torre uncomfortable with pay cut, incentives in deal
RYE, N.Y. -- Joe Torre told his side of the story Friday, saying the
incentives in the New York Yankees' contract offer were an "insult."
"I just felt the contract offer, the terms of the contract, were probably the
thing I had the toughest time with -- the one year for one thing, the
incentives for another thing," Torre said of his reasons for declining the
offer. "I've been there 12 years and I didn't think motivation was needed."
"We knew exactly what was expected here," he said, "So, I just didn't think
it was the right thing for me, I just didn't think it was the right thing for
my players."
Torre, who won four World Series with the Yankees and made the playoffs each
of his 12 seasons, on Thursday turned down a one-year offer that would have
cut his base pay to $5 million, a reduction of $2.5 million, but offered $3
million in performance-based incentives and an $8 million option for 2009 if
the Yankees won the 2008 AL pennant.
Torre, who had just completed a $19.2 million, three-year contract, turned
down the deal after meeting for an hour in Tampa with team owner George
Steinbrenner, his sons Hal and Hank and team management.
Torre said the Thursday meeting went 20 minutes and that there was no
negotiation on the proposed contract terms. He would not disclose what terms
he offered to manage the team during the meeting, other than that the team
did not budge from its offer.
Asked if he would return if the team reconsidered, Torre said he wasn't
expecting that to happen. He said committment, not money, was the biggest
factor.
"I like to work with people -- there's a certain trust that has to be earned
and forged in order to have the commitment to follow," Torre said. "I can't
answer that question because I don't anticipate it happening. If someone
wanted me to manage here, I'd be managing here."
"Yes it was a very generous offer," he added, "but it wasn't the type of
commitment that 'we're trying to do something together,' as opposed to 'let
me see what you can do for me.'"
Bench coach Don Mattingly is the leading contender to replace Torre. Yankees
broadcaster Joe Girardi, the NL manager of the year with Florida in 2006, is
another top contender. Tony La Russa and Bobby Valentine could also be
considered.
With 2,067 regular-season wins, Torre is eighth on the career list and was
third among active managers behind the St. Louis Cardinals' La Russa (2,375)
and the Atlanta Braves' Bobby Cox (2,255).
Torre indicated he might not be done managing, either.
"That depends on sitting with someone and discussing what the job is. I still
feel the energy level," he said. "Right now my contract [with the Yankees]
runs till Dec. 1 ... I'm free to listen right now."
Would he return to Yankee Stadium for a ceremonial role, such as when Yankee
Stadium closes in 2008 and its successor is opened in 2009?
"I'm really not prepared to comment on that," he said.
Torre's departure could influence the thinking of several key players on
whether to return to The Bronx. Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte
and potentially Alex Rodriguez all face decisions on where they will play
next spring.
"I love Joe Torre to death," Pettitte told Houston's KRIV-TV on Friday. "He
meant the world to me. I hate that he's not going to be the manager.
"I have a big decision to make if I want to play again next year. I figured I
would give myself a month to make the decision."
Under Torre, the Yankees went 1,173-767, trailing only Joe McCarthy (1,460)
for wins among Yankee managers. Of those, he said the team's run of World
Series success stands out.
"That World Series run we had was incredible. You don't realize until you
lose a three-game lead like we did against Boston [in 2004] how important it
is to keep momemtum on your side," he said. "To win 14 straight World Series
games was pretty special. "
Torre never had much success as a manager before landing in New York, and
when he replaced Buck Showalter, many predicted he would be gone in no time.
But he turned out to be a rock and a buffer to the blustery Steinbrenner and
brought stability to a team accustomed to turmoil. The Yankees won the World
Series in 1996, his first year as their manager. They won again from
1998-2000, running off 14 World Series game wins in a row, and advanced to
Game 7 of the Series in 2001, when they failed to hold a ninth-inning lead at
Arizona.
Since then, despite baseball's largest payroll, there has been only
frustration: A first-round loss to the Angels in 2002, a World Series defeat
to the Marlins in 2003 and a painful collapse in 2004, when they allowed the
Red Sox to overcome a 3-0 deficit in the AL Championship Series.
They lost to the Angels in five games in the first round in 2005, were
eliminated by the Detroit Tigers last year and were knocked out by Cleveland
this year.
"I've been very proud over the last 12 years to be a part of an organization
that did very special things,' he said, thanking Steinbrenner, his players
and the team's fans for their support. "I took this job when I was 55 years
old and my goodness, it's been the most exciting time of my life
professionally, doing what we've been able to do in New York."
The Brooklyn native was the 1971 National League MVP and a nine-time
All-Star. Before joining the Yankees, he had unsuccessful managing stints
with the Braves, Cardinals and New York Mets -- the three clubs for which he
played over a 17-year career.
Signed by the Milwaukee Braves in 1960, Torre was second in Rookie of the
Year voting in 1961. With the Cardinals, Torre led the NL in batting average,
hits and RBIs in 1971, the year he won the MVP. Four times, he finished among
the NL's top 10 in batting average, hits, RBIs and on-base percentage.
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1F:推 niceta:感谢你的提供,不然我的电脑看MLB.com的东西会没有声音 QQ 10/20 03:45
2F:推 bibibibibi:没办法~不管怎样只能接受这个结果了~希望明年有新气象 10/20 03:47
3F:推 Nasty:这真是一个让人无法接受的结果 好歹要有些仪式还啥的 10/20 04:01
4F:→ Nasty:M.Kay也说,她觉得应该要在签一年,让大家有准备,也好 10/20 04:02
5F:→ Nasty:传接给 Don,像这样的走法,不是跟Bernie一样都让人很不舍 10/20 04:03
6F:→ Nasty:连个仪式都没有,大老板真是不会做人 10/20 04:03
7F:推 moneygigi:祝福TORRE 10/20 04:17
8F:推 chasemasami:拜托 带的那麽鸟 有给一年约就不错 不想带 快走吧 10/20 04:46
9F:推 testpe:没几队请的起他吧... 10/20 04:46
10F:推 Nasty:楼楼上 带的是多鸟 那其他没进季後赛的 是不是通通fire 10/20 05:07
11F:→ Nasty:薪水很高跟太的鸟是两回事 讲鸟会不会太偏质 那要不然你来 10/20 05:07
12F:推 sunnyyoung:别吵啦 劳资双方都给彼此台阶下 没闹得太难看就好啦 10/20 05:32
13F:推 sycc:季初一堆投手受伤 这并不是Torre的责任吧 且四次冠军 是多鸟? 10/20 05:32
14F:推 chasemasami:他是连全mlb最高薪600万美金 人家天使队教练才拿多少? 10/20 06:10
15F:→ chasemasami:200万美金 带了一样 当然要fire 本来就很鸟 这是事实 10/20 06:11
16F:→ chasemasami:四次冠军 还在做梦啊 从2001开始 连续七年没拿冠军 10/20 06:11
17F:→ chasemasami:在美国是要往前看 不是往後看 你以前再强都是没用啦 10/20 06:12
18F:→ chasemasami:Bernie也很猛啊 现在在那里? 为什麽球员不行走了很正 10/20 06:13
19F:→ chasemasami:常 教练不行了 就一大堆人在护航? torre就是鸟 10/20 06:13
20F:推 Alan655:那个球员没有低潮? 你不能因为几年战绩不理想 10/20 06:31
21F:→ Alan655:就否定他之前的成就 10/20 06:32
22F:推 Nasty:你chasemasami个狗屁理论 你工作念书 就不要给我失败一次 10/20 07:11
23F:→ Nasty:不然你就别工作了 你也别念书了 而且也请你搞清楚 她不是 10/20 07:12
24F:→ Nasty:领600万美金好吗? 连这个都搞不清楚 我看你球迷也别当了 10/20 07:12
25F:→ Nasty:以後你老了 就不要有报应 被年轻一辈的说 以前不是很强 10/20 07:13
26F:→ Nasty:现在在哪里? 出来阿 我怎麽看不到你 你就不要生病 10/20 07:14
27F:→ Nasty:讲那什麽屁话 该走归该走 不代表带的鸟 10/20 07:16
28F:推 Nasty:你很不爽有人护航 那你要不要也质问一下Jeter Posada Rivera 10/20 07:20
29F:推 dans:带进季後赛就很了不起了 你没理由叫人WS天天拿阿.... 10/20 07:35
30F:→ dans:我觉得Torre做的真的很棒了 尤其是与前面几任教头比较时 10/20 07:36
31F:→ dans:一直要求洋基打出ws会不会太强人所难? 10/20 07:37
32F:推 Nasty:这小子一定又会说因为洋基新资最歌高阿 10/20 07:39
33F:→ Nasty:薪资最高就非得年年拿冠军? 那下一年小鱼队老板只要花钱就 10/20 07:39
34F:→ Nasty:冠军罗? "连续七年没拿冠军" 这种话批评你也说的出口 10/20 07:41
35F:推 jww:相同理论=>最该被DFA的应该是jeter。季赛打得好有什麽用,第四 10/20 07:51
36F:→ jww:战打得那麽烂,跟本就是废屁 10/20 07:52
37F:推 libobobo:真的该换了 新人新气象吧 10/20 08:01
38F:推 siliver:的确换人不是因为托瑞做的差,只是真的换了能否打进季後赛댠 10/20 08:09
39F:→ siliver:呢??在这样的压力下接任有谁能真的做的好?? 10/20 08:10
40F:推 kil1ua:chasemasami超优质的 你们都不知道啊! 科科 10/20 08:22
41F:→ kil1ua:给他当总教练 养鸡队年年拿总冠军 让球迷看到不想再看 10/20 08:22
42F:推 bibibibibi:Torre每年都带到季後赛 可是近几年洋基季後赛老是卡到 10/20 08:38
43F:→ bibibibibi:阴 不是便秘就是爆炸 短期比赛这样搞 总教练也无可奈何 10/20 08:39
44F:推 kangol:总有人该负责任 那几个季候鸟炮的是不是该先走 10/20 09:17
45F:推 siliver:楼上想太多,你说的那些炮走连季後赛都没有,科科~~~~ 10/20 09:21
46F:→ mightymouse:不要说没季後赛,甚至可能会去跟魔鬼鱼作伴 10/20 09:26
47F:→ chasemasami:他失败了连七年 什麽失败一次??? 到底有没有到过美国 10/20 10:08
48F:→ chasemasami:有没有去过纽约? 有没有去现场看过球? 知不知道美国人 10/20 10:09
49F:→ chasemasami:要的是什麽啊? 10/20 10:09
50F:→ chasemasami:护航什麽? 你又不是洋基老板没出钱 没权力 老板都说要 10/20 10:10
51F:→ chasemasami:fire 乡民算啥? 如果torre不鸟 老板fire他干嘛?????? 10/20 10:11
52F:→ chasemasami:killua我有说我当总教练 洋基拿冠军吗? 果然在政治板 10/20 10:13
53F:→ chasemasami:被电 来洋基板还是一样被电啊 10/20 10:13
54F:推 winbond:每个人看法不同很正常 别讲的好像你代表老板或美国人 10/20 10:13
55F:推 numblife:托瑞真的很会讲话 场面话讲的如火纯青.....XD 10/20 10:25
56F:→ numblife:还OK啦 反正这种事情本来就是你情我愿 去别队也祝福他:) 10/20 10:26
57F:推 Sunofgod:反正这位C就是那种打的好是球员 打的烂总教练走人的咖 10/20 10:34
58F:推 selfloss:Torre要走就走吧 要跟他走的也快点表态 不想跟钱过不去的 10/20 10:32
59F:→ Sunofgod:标准的看是看表面的肤浅人 10/20 10:35
60F:→ selfloss:就留下来 条纹球衣不怕没人穿 明年换个总教练来骂也不错 10/20 10:36
61F:→ laechan:话讲得好听,实际上还是着眼在$$上. 10/20 10:38
62F:推 y2jj:chasemasami吠了半天,原来要说的就是下面文章要说的 10/20 10:40
63F:→ y2jj:不过人家的表达方式真好,不像你一样只会乱呛乱吠 10/20 10:41
64F:推 seven32: c兄讲的也算是有道理啦 10/20 11:17
65F:→ siliver:他是讲的很呛,因为其实他也不是美国人不知道在愤慨啥 XD 10/20 11:20
66F:推 atale:他太早拿冠军了,而且拿太多,以致老板忘了洋基10几年没拿冠军 10/20 11:38
67F:推 baccus:托瑞是很会带心 不过真要说他很会带兵那也难讲 毕竟洋基的 10/20 11:56
68F:→ baccus:的薪资水平是其他球队的好几倍 连续打进季後赛不全是托瑞的 10/20 11:58
69F:→ baccus:功劳 比较教练的带兵功力 也别忘了球队的经济实力 10/20 11:59
70F:推 baccus:所以 弱队的教练也未必不行 毕竟巧妇难为无米之炊 10/20 12:05
71F:推 empiresimon:原来去过纽约,去看过现场比赛,就可以知道美国人要啥 10/20 12:41
72F:→ empiresimon:好酷捏! 10/20 12:41
73F:推 Sunofgod:说真的那四年世界大赛分散点今天就一堆人闭嘴了 10/20 13:16
74F:推 tseng1978:我从1996年到 现在大约进场看过40次左右的比赛 10/20 15:14
75F:→ tseng1978:我很清楚明白 是谁带球队跟去现场看球 根本没有差... 10/20 15:15
76F:→ tseng1978:托瑞带的真的算是OK了 可是现在的洋基不适合他的带法了 10/20 15:15
77F:→ tseng1978:拿不到WS最主要的因素是球员鸟掉吧~ 10/20 15:16
78F:→ tseng1978:不过没道理球员鸟掉 就火了球员 但是总要有人出来负责 10/20 15:17
79F:→ tseng1978:当然是总教练被托出去斩了 其实托瑞一直在签这种合约 10/20 15:18
80F:→ tseng1978:大老板是生意人 想法跟乡民差不多 我就是要花钱买冠军 10/20 15:19
81F:→ tseng1978:不过这次的合约 是把话都说的太清楚太明白了 10/20 15:20
82F:→ tseng1978:带的这麽有压力 乾脆不要带了吧 这篇文章那段说的很好 10/20 15:20
83F:→ tseng1978:大老板的确是在跟托瑞说: 给你高薪 看看你能为我做什麽 10/20 15:21
84F:推 roea68roea68:花钱就冠军 比尔盖兹花点小钱来赚大钱吧!! 10/20 15:24
85F:推 gackt1225:人家老板就是要花钱买冠军啊=.=乡民们一直护航何必呢 10/20 17:05
86F:→ gackt1225:没达到老板标准被火很正常吧,与其骂C版友,不如骂老板 10/20 17:06
87F:→ gackt1225:不过这就是现实,我们不是老板,背後讲再多也没用 10/20 17:07
88F:推 Nasty:去过美国阿去过纽约阿看过球阿! well...so??? 10/20 20:26
89F:→ Nasty:去看过球,不代表知道美国人在想什麽,你这啥屁逻辑? 10/20 20:27
90F:→ Nasty:好阿 乡民算啥 那你不是乡民吗?难道你是老板儿子? 10/20 20:28
91F:→ Nasty:那你在那边吠,又算啥屁? 10/20 20:29
92F:→ Nasty:为何鸟才会被老板火掉?那去年Girardis在马林鱼拿年度教练 10/20 20:30
93F:→ Nasty:还不是被fire,小朋友难道你不知道职场上有个东西叫理念不合 10/20 20:31
94F:→ Nasty:呛呛呛个屁阿,你以为全世界就你出过国喔! 你真的很可笑 10/20 20:31
95F:推 bozzio71:老板提这个约其实就是给Torre下台阶~Torre会拒绝应该 10/20 22:38
96F:→ bozzio71:是两方的共识吧~各位乡民不要太认真啦~不过Torre 10/20 22:41
97F:→ bozzio71:走下坡也是不争的事实~各位乡民就记得那些美好的回忆吧 10/20 22:43
98F:推 redsnipertd:我到觉得要给他台阶下.会给他大一点的合约,或是直接让 10/21 00:39
99F:→ redsnipertd:约满退休,这样减33%让他带点小不爽然後走人 这样的处 10/21 00:40
100F:→ redsnipertd:理方式在我看来并没有让他离开的冲击降到最低 10/21 00:40
101F:推 sycc:某c的确呛过头 好像只有他懂美国人在想什麽 ( ̄ー ̄;) 10/21 03:14
102F:推 aultra:C兄不要笑死人了 住美国看过球没什麽了不起 板上一堆人都在 10/21 06:36
103F:→ aultra:在海外 你这种话真的只是突显你的不成熟而已 10/21 06:36
104F:→ aultra:我上个月还去参观过Boras在newport beach的公司 10/21 06:37
105F:→ aultra:那难道我就要说 A-Rod接下来要干嘛你们懂个屁啊?? 10/21 06:38
106F:→ aultra:纽约人虽然要冠军要胜利 但不代表他们不要Torre 10/21 06:40
107F:→ aultra:大部份的球迷都还是享受比赛 真正放不开的只有the boss 10/21 06:41
108F:推 Nasty:推楼上最後一句,纽约最放不开的最怪咖的 就是大老板 10/21 07:34
109F:推 minishrike:推bizzio71 10/21 22:59
110F:推 sgssgs:绿帽阵容可以打季後赛值得鼓励,不过我们不同,那是应该的 10/22 00:57
111F:推 ayumi21:某c真了不起 好像只有他懂美国人在想什麽 我也去过美国 呵 10/23 16:38