作者xiaoa (没有灵魂的人)
看板NTUSFA
标题Re: 两题物理问题
时间Wed Jun 4 21:59:52 2008
※ 引述《outlook2 (容)》之铭言:
: ※ [本文转录自 StarTrek 看板]
: 作者: outlook2 (容) 看板: StarTrek
: 标题: 两题物理问题
: 时间: Wed Jun 4 01:13:19 2008
: Modern Problems of Classical Electrodynamics
: Special Relativity
以下都是个人直觉
: (1)
: Data and the emperor of Ferengi are locked in a deadly battle of Wheel of
: Fortune starring Vanna White, who has been travelling around the earth at
: nearly the speed of light for centuries to stay young. Vanna is in an orbit
: 100 light second from earth with Data and the Ferengi nearby, while the host,
: Darth Vader, on loan from another studio, is on earth. When Vanna gives the
: contestants the last question, the Ferengi emperor attempts to cheat by
: speeding towards the Earth at a speed of 0.99c while he is thinking, so that
: when he radios his answer to Darth Vadar, it will arrives first. However, he
: forget that when travelling at nearly the speed of light, his thinking slows
: down due to time dilation. Data takes 10 seconds and the Ferengi takes 12
: seconds to answer, each according to their own clock, so it takes, for
: example, 110s for Data's answer to reach Darth Vadar.
: Question: Does the cheating pay? That is, will the emperor's answer reach
: earlier? Please present all the calculations and derivations.
时间的迟滞只发生在"""观察者"""所看到相对运动中的"被观察者"身上
现在,观察者是Vadar.如果Data是跟着Vadar运行,那它们的相对运动是非常小的,也就是
10秒钟没有延时.
Ferengi自己的计时是12秒,架设在没有相对关系的空间中,他跑了12光秒,Vadar也绕行
轨道12光秒,非常小的轨道弧度,为方便计算,我假设Vadar几乎没有运动,只有Ferengi对
他做0.99c的相对运动.
不必考虑相对论,单是考虑Ferengi移动12秒,就已经话了12秒.之後Ferengi的答案也花
了近12秒才来到Vadar这边.也就是至少24秒的做答时间...
: (2)
: A truce has been arranged between the Federation and the Romulans. According
: to the treaty, the first captain to fire in an engagement is EXECUTED! The
: evidence is as below. Captain Picard suddenly detects a Romulan ship as it
: begins to uncloak itself, and realized that it is hostile! The strength of
: the emmision shows that the Romulan ship is 1000 light second away so it must
: have fired its photon torpedo (assume it travels at light speed). The
: Enterprise immediately fired its own photon torpedo. 100 seconds later,
: Enterprise is hit. Some time later (in the coordinate system of Enterprise),
: the Romulan ship was also hit. Both ships travels at constant speed during
: the engagement. Both ships were disabled, and a court of inquiry was
: convented. The two captains agreed on the facts above, but each argued,
: based on their e-logs, that the other fired first. Is it possible that both
: are telling the truth, at least in their respective coordinate system? If
: so, what is the minimum speed between them and what is the direction (either
: toward each other or away from each other)? If not, who shall be executed?
依我的直觉,
假设他们同时在距离1000光秒,第0秒时发射
如果没有相对运动,发射讯号在1000秒後到达,那他们不可能预先发射了
如果相对以光速靠近,讯号在500秒後到达,在这500秒内,他们会看到对方船上 负一千~0秒
所发生的事
如果以2倍光速靠近,讯号在1000/3=333秒後到达.这333秒,观察对方船上 -1000~0秒事件
999倍光速,讯号在1000/(999+1)=1秒後..仍然不是在第0秒之前....orz
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接下来和上面的问题无关.
我个人认为.以为光速运动就能让时间无限延长,只是个天大的笑话,纯属个人信念
1st,当在'被观察者'远离时,'观察者'看到发生在'被观察者'身上的事件,例如一个呼吸
就是好久好久.但是要考虑'被观察者'在准备返回时做减速运动,至反向的光速返回,这时
大部分的时间就会被补偿回来(逆时间延长!).然後一直到回到出发点,就会全补偿回来...
2nd,相对论既然自称为相对论,说明的不只是时间空间的相对关系,也是要考虑到运动者的
相对关系,所以我一开始就说了'观察者'和'被观察者'.相对而言,两者关系完全可以对调
那如果光速运动确实让人不老化,就会有年轻的我看年老的你,说怎麽我变老了,你却依然
年轻
相对论告诉我们的是,我们无法为光速运行的物体加速,因为它的相对质量是无限大
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1F:→ charli:经过你这麽一写,我更相信这根本跟科幻讨论无关... 06/04 22:11
3F:推 Athelan:请问这是在回应甚麽东西呀..... 06/04 22:51
4F:推 Athelan:话说今天物理刚好上狭义相对论(梦碎) 06/04 23:00
5F:→ xiaoa:回大菜,当我们看科幻故事、影片,总希望不要太唬烂。所以讨论 06/04 23:37
6F:→ xiaoa:科学比不违背科幻 06/04 23:38
7F:推 outlook2:xiaoa大,谢谢您XD 我只是想帮人传话兼交流XD 06/04 23:42
8F:→ outlook2:我擅自转到其他版去,您不介意吧? XD 06/04 23:42
9F:推 charli:x大固然说的对,但是有物理版,为什麽不交给专家呢? 06/04 23:45
10F:→ charli:这就是我质疑的地方,也许有人只是想乱枪打鸟,看看有没有 06/04 23:46
11F:→ charli:人解答。他下面回应更证实只是理论物理上的探讨。 06/04 23:47
12F:→ xiaoa:回DJ,1)加速度也是会造成时间延长,所以也有躲到黑洞的说法 06/04 23:52
13F:→ xiaoa:2)相对角色关系的问题没有解决,我看你光速,你看我亦是光速 06/04 23:53
14F:→ charli:转录文章,标题也至少要标明转录吧? 06/04 23:54
15F:→ charli:刚刚看到其他版文章,都没写是转录... 06/04 23:55
16F:→ xiaoa:回out,随便...我觉得我说的还蛮缺乏说服力的 = = 06/04 23:59
17F:推 outlook2:还是加载[转录]的好,是我不对... 06/05 00:03
18F:推 lukehong:我的相对论 还给校长了... 06/05 00:44