※ 引述《Mikufans ( miku我婆)》之铭言： : https://x.com/heatculture13/status/2009048650022813733 : Rich Paul 表示，26 岁的 LeBron 当年在更衣室里，并没有一个人能像 LeBron 之於 Luka : 那样，教他如何成为冠军 : 「Luka 还没拿过总冠军，但也从来没有人在讨论：『我们要帮你理解夺冠是什麽感觉、或 : 是要怎麽赢得冠军。』一切都应该围绕这件事才对——我们到底要怎麽在更衣室里，把合适 : 的人放在这个年轻人身边……我可以告诉你一件事：LeBron 26 岁的时候，更衣室里他身边 : 可没有一个『LeBron』。」 : https://x.com/heatculture13/status/2009042725341933721?s=61&t=Tx_QsQiAObfRU-X7wP : mNjQ : Rich Paul 说：就算 Luka 的防守直接变成 Tony Allen 那种等级，以湖人现在的阵容建构 : 方式，可能也拿不到冠军 : 「你们把所有希望都押在『Luka 会不会防守』这件事上——我才不在乎 Luka 现在就变成 : Tony Allen，结果也不会有什麽不同……如果你能做一些表面、基本层面的补强，我不是说 : 要你现在就冲出去、把未来完全锁死。但我也不是要你玩那种『等最大咖的名字』的游戏， : 因为在我看来那是幻想篮球。现实是，每一年都不一样，你不能就这样直接把一个赛季丢掉 : 。」 刚回去听这个 1/8的podcast 补充一下内容 https://youtu.be/u37aPVBa3XI?t=4048 Max: Well, I got something to say about Luka. If, I know he's not the athlete LeBron is, very few people have been, but he's achieved kind of on the surface similar offensive results at similar ages to LeBron. LeBron went to Miami and learned what it took to win championships. And primarily, he became an all time great defender under Spoelstra and Pat Riley. He became an all time, I forgot if it was 2012 or 2013. 关於 Luka 我有话要说。我知道他不像 LeBron 那样是顶级体能怪，没几个人能像 LeBron 那样，但他在与 LeBron 同样年龄时，表面上的进攻数据非常接近。当年 LeBron 去了迈阿密，学会了夺冠需要付出什麽。最重要的是，他在 Spoelstra 和 Pat Riley 麾下变成了史上最强的防守者。我忘了是 2012 还是 2013 年... Rich: He should have won defensive player of the year, yes. LBJ那年该拿年度最佳防守球员，没错 Max: He reminded me, I've said this before, of Dennis Rodman almost. Not quite as intense, but like, he could guard every position, he was everywhere all at once. He was, and to me that's LeBron's actual prime, that year where he was both sides of the floor, best player in the world. 他让我想起 Dennis Rodman。虽然没那麽狂，但他能守五个位置，无所不在。 对我来说那是 LeBron 的真巅峰，攻守两端都是世界最强 Rich: Well, he's had like four primes, but that's okay. 呃，他大概有四个巅峰期吧，不过没关系。 Max: Yeah, but now I think that was the LeBron that I would take. 对，但如果要我选，我会选那个版本的 LeBron。 Rich: But defense is effort and energy. 防守靠的就是积极度跟拚劲 Max: Okay, I'm not asking Luka to be the best defensive player in the world. He shouldn't be the worst. Luka right now is arguably the worst defensive player in the world. Can't happen It's never gonna happen. I don't care what , like, he's gonna have to do more than this. He's gonna have to show a willingness and effort. 好，但我现在想说的是，我不需要 Luka 变成世界最强防守者，但他不该是全联盟「最烂 」的一个。现在的 Luka 说他是全世界防守最烂的球员也不为过。 这绝对不行，他必须 展现出积极度。 Rich: But here's what I'm saying, you don't have to dwell on that. We hear you. I think, I think, I think we do. We hear you loud and clear on that part. All I'm saying is. 好了，你不需要一直纠结这点。我们听到了，大家都很清楚你的意思了。我只想说... Max: I'll tell you why we do. Because it's, when you say it's effort, it's not just the kind of specific point of playing defense to win and da da da da. It's that what it reflects, cause we've seen this with James Harden. And by the time he started putting effort into defense, it was already too late actually. 我告诉你为什麽我要一直讲。因为防守反映的是态度。 我们在 James Harden 身上看过同样的事，等他终於想开始防守时，早就太迟了。 Rich: Yes. 没错 Max: But we've seen a guy dribble the ball to death, do all these incredible things, score, take his team on some runs, but never get to the finals, never win a championship. And this is James Harden 2.0. It's the same thing. 我们看过一个球员把球运到死，做各种不可思议的操作、得分、带领球队打出高潮， 但他从未进过总决赛，从未夺冠。这就是 James Harden 2.0，一模一样。 Rich: But everyone keeps saying that. Everyone keeps saying that. But... 大家都一直这麽说，但是... Max: I mean, I said all this about Harden at the time. And then that came to pass. And it's a shame. You don't want that for the player. You want the player to shine. 当年我也对 Harden 说过同样的话，後来证明我对了。这很遗憾，你不希望球员变成那样 Rich: So let me ask you this question. If you're saying this is James Harden 2.0, you know what I would do? I would go back and I would look at how a team was constructed around James Harden. And I would look at my current team. I can almost guarantee you there was no LeBron James on that team with James Harden. Because if it was, he would have three rings. I can guarantee you that. That's number one. Number two... 那我问你，如果你说这是 Harden 2.0，你知道我会怎麽做吗？我会回头看看当年球队是 怎麽围绕 Harden 建队的，再看看现在这支球队。我敢保证，当年 Harden 身边绝对没 有 LeBron James。如果有，他早就拿三枚戒指了。 这是第一点。第二... Max: Or if he had LeBron in his prime, they'd win every year. 如果他有巅峰 LeBron，他们每年都会夺冠。 Rich: Well, number two, I don't know if there was a player as good as Austin Reeves has become also with James Harden. 第二，我不知道当年 Harden 身边有没有像现在 Austin Reaves 这麽强的队友。 Max: CP3. Rich: Okay, yeah. CP was great, yeah. Okay, fair. Okay, so you two... 好啦，CP3 确实很棒，这我承认 Max: I'm saying, he had plenty of bites at the Apple. He was on plenty of good teams. 他待过很多强队，他已经获得过非常多次夺冠的机会了 Rich: You have two of the three. He had a lob threat in Clint Capella. 你讲的三点里他有两点。他那时候有 Clint Capela 这种能接空接的威胁 Max: He had a good team, man. 他那队很强啦 Rich: He had, Trevor at that time was still strong. 当年Ariza还是很强 Max: Yes. Yeah, 没错 Rich: but then Pat Bev. 然後还有 Pat Bev Max: Yes, he had a lot, and by the way, he went far. And if not for the worst shooting performance ever, not just by him, by the whole team, they get to a finals and probably win. 对，他有很多帮手。而且他们走得很远，要不是因为那场史上最惨的集体打铁（指 2018 年西决 G7），他们早就进决赛而且夺冠了。 Rich: The only thing he didn't have was a bonafide, franchise guy that was on an equal playing field as he was, right? But he probably had- 他唯一缺的，就是一个能跟他平起平坐、真正的招牌巨星 Max: Once he left the Thunder 自从他离开雷霆之後 Rich: You're saying he had a better, you're saying he had a just as good if not better supporting cast. 你是说，他其实有一套同等甚至更好的副手 Max: It was a well-constructed team. It was a way to put around him. 那队就是组得很好，是很懂得怎麽把人放在他身边的那种 Rich: But he also ran up against- 但他也遇到 Max: But when you're that dude, they run up against you, not vice versa. Everyone can cry, oh, this one would have won a championship if not for Jordan Yeah, you know who doesn't have to say that? Jordan, because he's that dude. So if James Harden is like that, then they would have won championships. 不是啦，当你是「那个人」是别人遇到你、是别人得跨过你，不是你在那边说「我遇到谁 谁谁」当理由。 每个人都可以哭说：「喔如果不是 Jordan 我也会拿冠军。」 对啊，但你知道谁不用讲这种话吗？Jordan。因为他就是那个人。 所以如果 James Harden 真的是那种人，他们早就拿冠军 Rich: Yeah, but he ran up against some dudes too. Here's another thing I'll tell you. 好啦，但他也真的遇到一些狠角色。我再跟你讲一个 Max: Not really. Who did he run up against? 并不算真的有吧 Jordan有遇到谁吗 Rich: What? You mean not really. 什麽叫「没有」？ Max: Who? 谁 Rich: Bird, Magic and Isaiah Thomas Max: MJ, as soon as MJ had a single other Allstar, he smoked the league every time. He smoked the league. There was no one in his way. Jordan 只要身边有一个其他全明星，他就把联盟打爆了。每次都打爆，没有人挡得住。 Rich: So in 1989. 所以 1989 年 Max: He had no All-Star. Oh, when they played the Pistons? 他那年没有全明星。你是说打活塞那次？ Rich: Yeah. Max: Pippen had a migraine Game 7. He was pre-prime. He was on the way up. He made an All-Star team, but pre-prime. He had a migraine, scored two points. In other words, Pippen wasn't an All-Star in Game 7, so they lost to the back-to-back champs. Pippen 在第七战偏头痛，而且他那时候还没到巅峰，是正在往上爬。他有进过全明星， 但那时还没 prime。那场他偏头痛只拿 2 分。换句话说，第七战那个 Pippen 根本不能 算全明星，所以他们输给当时刚完成二连霸的活塞。 Max: So what you're saying is... 所以你意思是 Rich: And otherwise, smoked the league. 除了那次以外，Jordan 其他时间就是把联盟打爆。 备注 Harden有LBJ有办法夺冠吗 --

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