https://reurl.cc/gReX3N https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXFaWPSqHsQ 完整逐字稿 Nash: And you talk a little bit about versatility and how that can change a series when it's like the last card to play. 你刚提到多功能性，这种特性在季後赛能够改变整个系列战，像是最後一张王牌 LeBron: Yeah, and I think who've mastered that over the last like 10 years is GSW. And the main reason is because of Draymond. When we played them in 2015 in the finals, I believe they started the series off, I believe it was either Bogut or David Lee was starting at the center.And obviously we was out without Kevin Love and unfortunately Kyrie got hurt in overtime of game one. 我觉得过去十年把这件事发挥到极致的是勇士队。而这一切最主要的关键就是Draymond 我们2015总冠军赛打他们的时候，我记得那系列一开始，他们先发中锋好像是 Bogut 或 David Lee。而我们那时候刚好少了 Kevin Love，很不幸 Kyrie也在G1延长赛时受伤。 Nash: Kevin had a concussion? Kevin是脑震荡吗？ LeBron: Kevin separated shoulder and Kyrie dislocated his kneecap. But we ended up going up two, we ended up going up 2-1. And because of Draymond and because of Iguodala and because of Shaun Livingston, it gave them the dynamic in game 4 Draymond started at the five, Iguodala started at the four. We stayed pat with our lineup of Tristan and Timofey Mozgov, myself, J.R. Smith and I believe Dellavedova, And it changed the landscape of their team. Kevin 是肩膀脱臼。Kyrie 则是膝盖脱臼，但我们还是取得了2比1的领先。而因为 Draymond、Iguodala 和 Shaun Livingston，第4战勇士开始出现新的变化。Draymond 打5号，Iguodala 打4号。 我们原封不动还是原本的先发：Tristan、Timofey Mozgov、 我自己、J.R. Smith，还有我记得是 Dellavedova。这个调整彻底改变了他们球队的节奏 And still to this day, the versatility that Draymond allows Steve in that franchise to have, it makes them who they are. And obviously we know Steph does, we goes back to, Steph will do what Steph does. And I think that's what the game of basketball is, to be able to have that versatility, to be able to have 6-7 guys that can play big or be able to switch out on guards, having 6'5, 6'4, 6'8, 6'9 across the board to be able to make you so versatile that you always keep the defense or keep the other team at bay. Because there's some teams that just won't change or they don't have the versatility package to be able to do it. So that is huge. 直到今天，Draymond 给Kerr还有整支球队带来的多功能性，造就了他们的成功。当然我 们都知道Steph是Steph，会做他自己擅长的事。但篮球这项运动就是这样，你要有那种多 功能性，要有6-7个球员可以拉大打、也能换防後卫。 场上同时有 6尺4、6尺5、6尺8、 6尺9的球员，让你能够随时变阵、随时制造压力，对手永远没办法完全掌握你要怎麽打。 有些球队根本不会改变， 或者他们根本没那个多功能阵容的条件。所以这非常重要。 Nash: Yeah, I mean, they traditionally were happy to start with the center, but what they were saying at this point is, we're gonna play our last card. 是的，我的意思是，他们传统上很乐意从中锋开始打起，但他们当时的意思是， 我们要打出我们的最後一张王牌。 LeBron: Yeah, we'll play our last card. 对，就是要打出王牌。 Nash: Take that off the table, Draymond on the five. So immediately, Mozgov has to guard the playmaker. Draymond's the playmaker. And then defensively, they can switch. And now, okay, if you wanna go to Mozgov in the post, they are not going to you in the post. So they've now played that card by playing it the entire game, their death lineup. And so now it's a blanking contest. Are you able to stick with it or are you gonna have to go to the point five? 直接把传统中锋这一招拿掉，Draymond 打五号位，这样 Mozgov 马上要守一个控球者。 Draymond就是控球发动机,防守端他们可以无限换防。然後你如果想打 Mozgov 的低位单 打，对方也根本不会让你打那个点。等於说他们整场比赛都在打这种「死亡五小」阵容。 变成一场心理对决，看你撑不撑得住、还是你会被逼着自己也要变阵。 LeBron: It showed the league a lot. I mean, we did it, obviously, in Miami our second year when Spo was a genius to be able to move Bosh to the five. We played big early on with Joel Anthony and Chris Bosh, or Udonis Haslem and Chris Bosh. And I think when Bosh went to the 5, it gave us some versatility as well. Being more athletic, being able to open up the court a lot more, because CB could hit the corner three. And that's the game. That's the game, to be able to have those dynamics. 这让整个联盟都学到了很多。我们那时在迈阿密第二年也做过这件事， 那时 Spolestra 超聪明，把 Bosh 拉去打五号位。我们前面是打双大个：Joel Anthony 搭 Bosh，或是 Udonis Haslem 搭 Bosh。 但一换成 Bosh 打五号，我们整队运动能力、空间拉开很多， 而且 Bosh还能投底角三分。这就是篮球的核心，随时变阵。 I mean, you look at Boston. Boston won it by how versatile they are. When they added Jrue Holiday, it made them so much more dynamic. Obviously, the growth of Jayson and Jaylen, but they're gonna be who they are. But to be able to add a guy like Jrue Holiday, who is basically a Swiss Army knife, you tell him, what do you need, coach? All right, I got it. To be able to have those dynamics and have those players, as a coaching staff, that's something that you dream of, because every series in the postseason is different. 你看现在的波士顿。他们能夺冠，靠的就是这种多变性。引进 Jrue Holiday 之後， 整队战力变得超完整。当然 Jayson 和 Jaylen的成长也关键，但他们本来就会继续变强 Jrue Holiday 就像瑞士刀一样，你问他：「教练需要我做什麽？」他就说：「我来」 有这种球员，对教练团来说是梦寐以求的，因为每轮季後赛的对手都不同。 Okay, maybe we need to play bigger this postseason and this series. Okay, now this series requires to be more fast. Okay, now this need to be more physical. Now we need to really dial in and be able to have those cards. To be able to play Uno, I always got to draw four cards. Always got it. You say Uno, I'm right here, I'm ready. As soon as you say Uno, I'm throwing this draw four down. That is the luxury, that's the luxury. that is the model, having more positionaless players. 这系列你可能要打大个阵，下一轮你得打快，再下一轮要拼身体强度，你必须手上有这些 战术选项。 打 Uno 的时候我手上永远有「+4」卡，你喊 Uno，我马上丢出来！这就是 优势，这就是奢侈。这就是那种「无位置篮球」的最佳模板。 Nash: I mean, you can even talk about, with Golden State starting it, the way Boston plays now. I mean, obviously Porzingis, when he plays, is a stretch five, you can protect the rim, but when he doesn't play, they still have positionless basketball. Five point guards playing blender, lots of threes. Same, in a sense, you can make it a comparison to your Lakers team with AD going to the five, winning a championship. You could go positionally big, but you could also go with a center and AD next to him. You look at this OKC team, they not only have all sorts of guys that can switch guard multiple positions, but can play Blender, make open shots, or they can go with the two bigs, with Hartenstein. So you're talking about the top teams, same with Cleveland, going with the two bigs, or taking them off the floor. 对啊，这一切从勇士开始，然後现在你看波士顿也是这样打。Porzingis 在的时候是可以 保护篮框的外线五号，但他没上时，他们还是能打「无位置」的球。5个控球、场上像果 汁机一样搅拌、三分乱炸。就像你们那年 Lakers 夺冠的模式，AD 打5号。你们能打传统 大阵，也能让 AD 搭配另一位中锋。再看 OKC，他们也有一堆能守多个位置、能投空档、 能能融入球队战术的球员，有时也会派两个大个上场，像是 Hartenstein。你看这些强队 ，像骑士队，有时双塔上场，有时把其中一人拉下来，Mobley打5号、Jarrett Allen搭他 LeBron: They have Mobley at the five, or Jarrett Allen playing right beside him, yeah, absolutely. 骑士可以让 Mobley 打5号，也可以让 Jarrett Allen 搭他一起上，没错，就这样打 Nash: Optionality, and one of the cards has to be being able to switch, the other card is being able to go a little bigger. Those cards, not everyone has. 变阵选项这件事很关键，一张牌是可以无限换防，另一张是你能够变大阵。 但这两张牌，不是每队都有。 LeBron: Not everyone has, and that is a luxury. 并不是每个人都有，那是一种奢侈。 Nash: That's right, and then you get to the leadership hierarchy, the resilience, toughness, the IQ, and that's what it is, is the teams that have the profile and the roster, that have the buy-in, that have the leadership, the hierarchy,the resilience, the mental toughness. That's who you see in the finals every year. 没错，接下来要看的就是领导结构、抗压性、韧性，还有球商。这些具备这些特质的球队 ，才是有完整阵容、有凝聚力、有清楚的领导阶层、有心理韧性的球队。 你每年都能在总决赛看到他们。 LeBron: There you go. 就是这样没错。 备注 不愧是品腿师 讲得真好 --

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