作者laptic (静夜圣林彼岸花)
看板NBA
标题[外絮] 湖人在休赛季期间需对控球後卫作的补强
时间Sat Jun 17 08:24:17 2023
原标题:Lakers’ offseason hinges on their decision at point guard. So, what
can they do?
(湖人的休赛季取决於他们在控球後卫位置方面作出的结论。因此,他们会怎样
做?)
来源:https://theathletic.com/4605252 (付费媒体)
作者:Jovan Buha
原文+翻译:
For the fourth consecutive summer, the Lakers are looking for a solution at
point guard.
这已是湖人队连续第四个夏天,正在寻找着对於控球後卫的解决方案。
Since its 2020 championship, when then-35-year-old LeBron James and
then-33-year-old Rajon Rondo excelled as the Lakers’ lead ballhandlers, Los
Angeles has used a revolving door of point guards. James’ advanced age and
mounting injuries, as well as an internal acknowledgment that he should play
off the ball more, have created a need for more supplementary ballhandling,
playmaking and shot creation within Los Angeles’ offense. It’s why the
Lakers have been enamored with the possibility of adding elite scoring guards
like Damian Lillard and Kyrie Irving through the years.
在二零二零年夺得总冠军的时候,作为主要控球球员、当时三十五岁的LBJ 和三十三岁的
朗多表现得很出色,湖人队拥有能进行轮替的控球後卫群。然而随着LBJ 的年龄逐渐增加
、伤病随之频发,加上内部认为他应该多尝试无球战术,使得湖人队的进攻中需要更多辅
助性持球、组织核心和机会创造。这就是为什麽湖人队多年来一直对於追求小李和KI这
样的精英控球後卫的可能性感到着迷。
They have taken some big swings to fill this hole. The Lakers traded Danny
Green and a 2020 first-round pick for Dennis Schroder before the 2020-21
season. They flipped Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Kyle Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell
and a 2021 first-round pick to Washington in exchange for Russell Westbrook
in a five-team mega-deal in the ensuing summer. They, of course, moved
Westbrook for D’Angelo Russell (among others) in a three-team trade at the
2023 trade deadline, to mixed results. Russell, Schröder (twice) and even
Westbrook had productive moments, but none have provided exactly what the
Lakers have sought since the title run.
他们已经采取了一些大动作来填补这问题。湖人在2020-21 赛季开始前,用丹尼绿和一个
二零二零年的首轮选秀权换来了德软。在随後的夏天,他们在五队大交易中,将 KCP、库
兹马、哈雷尔和二零二一年的首轮选秀籖权交易到巫师队,以换取威少。当然,他们在二
零二三年交易大限当日的三队交易中,用威少换来了D'Lo(包括其他人),结果好坏参半
。D'Lo、德软(两次),甚至威少都有富有成效的时刻,但没有人提供湖人在夺冠後所想
追求的东西。
The Lakers are at a crossroads once again this summer. Russell and Schroder
are unrestricted free agents, opening up the possibility that one or both aren
’t back and the Lakers must again cycle through new options at point guard.
After priority No. 1 (re-signing free agent Austin Reaves) and No. 2
(re-signing restricted free agent Rui Hachimura), the Lakers’ next priority
is addressing their point guard uncertainty.
湖人队今夏再次来到十字路口。D'Lo和德软都是不受限自由球员,这意味着中一位或两位
可能不会回归,并让湖人队必须再次在控球後卫的位置上探索新的选项。在完成前面两项
优先事项(依序重新签下自由球员Austin Reaves 和受限自由球员八村垒)之後,接下来
要解决的是控球後卫上的不确定性。
With the key spots in their rotation largely settled if they retain Reaves
and Hachimura, the Lakers’ offseason swings on their decision at point
guard. They have various options, from running it back (re-signing Russell
and Schroder) to chasing an expensive upgrade via free agency or trade
(Irving, Fred VanVleet, Trae Young), or splitting the difference (signing the
potentially available Chris Paul in addition to retaining Russell and/or Sch-
roder).
在以留住 Reaves 和八村的前提下,基本上解决板凳上的关键人员问题後,湖人队的休赛
季将取决於他们对控球後卫的决定。他们有很多选项,包括重新签下 D'Lo 和德软,或在
自由市场或交易中寻求豪华的升级(如KI、FVV和吹羊),或在两者间求取平衡点(
留住 D'Lo 和德软的同时,签下可能进入自由市场的 CP3)。
The Lakers’ needs at point guard will be determined in part by how they fill
out the rest of their roster, but one of the constant requirements has been a
player who can competently run the offense when James is off the floor,
develop strong pick-and-roll chemistry with Anthony Davis, fare well off the
ball as a catch-and-shoot threat and cutter and at least hold his own in the
team’s defensive scheme. Russell, Schroder and Westbrook each checked
several of those boxes, but none checked all of them.
湖人队在控球後卫方面的需求将部分取决於他们如何填补他们名单上的其他部分,但其中
一个不变的要求是,当LBJ 不在场上时,一名球员需要能够胜任进攻、与AD建立强大的
接球和滚动的化学反应、作为一个接球投篮的威胁和切割者,在球队的防守计划中至少要
保持自己的地位。D'Lo、德软和威少分别满足了这些条件中的一部分,但没有人满足所有
条件。
The most likely path forward is re-signing Russell and Schroder (possibly
with their taxpayer midlevel exception, worth a projected $6.5 million), as
The Athletic previously reported.
按照《运动家》早前的报导,最有可能的作法莫过於重新签下 D'Lo 和德软(可能用到纳
税中产阶级特例,价值预计是六百五十万美元)。
Russell’s stock has never been lower after a disappointing Western
Conference finals showing against the eventual NBA champion Denver Nuggets.
He was significantly better in the first two rounds but still did not quite
perform well enough to be the third option on a title-contending team — the
level at which the Lakers will be paying him to play if he’s retained.
Russell is certainly a useful player who is good on more nights than not. But
a player making at least $20 million per season shouldn’t be played off the
floor in high-stakes playoff games.
虽然在对阵最终得到NBA 总冠军丹佛金块队的西部决赛中,表现令人失望,D'Lo的价值从
未降低过。他在前两轮比赛中的表现明显有所好转,但仍然不足以成为一支争冠球队的第
三选择——如果湖人队留用他的话,湖人队将要继续支付他的薪资。D'Lo当然是一个有用
的球员,能在更多的比赛表现良好。但一个每赛季至少赚取二千万美元的球员,不应该在
高风险的季後赛中被打下场。
Given Russell’s inconsistent playoff performance and the lack of league-wide
interest in him, the Lakers should have the upper-hand in contract
negotiations. One framework the Lakers have discussed internally, according
to multiple team sources not authorized to speak publicly, is signing Russell
to a front-loaded two-year deal – either with an option in the second year
or a straight two-year contract – that both gives him the salary he wants
and keeps him on the same timeline as James (player option in 2024) and Davis
(has an early termination option in 2024 and is eligible for a contract
extension in August).
监於 D'Lo 在季後赛中的不稳定表现,以及全联盟对他缺乏兴趣,湖人队在合约谈判中应
该会占上风。据多名未获授权公开发言的球队消息人士透露,湖人内部讨论的一个框架是
与 D'Lo 签订一份为期两年的先期合同——要不在第二年有一个选择权,要不直接签订两
年合约——这样既能给他想要的薪水,又能让他与 LBJ(二零二四年有球员选择权)和A
D(二零二四年有提前终止的选项,八月有资格续约)处於同一时间线上。
Even though the three-team deadline deal was more about getting rid of
Westbrook than the players acquired, the Lakers don’t want to lose Russell
in free agency for nothing. Their preference is to find a superior player by
either sign-and-trading Russell elsewhere in July or, more likely at this
point, re-signing him and then potentially trading him later in the season
for a better player or fit.
尽管三队在大限前的交易更多的是为了摆脱威少,而不是获得球员,但湖人并不想在自由
市场上白白失去D'Lo。他们更倾向於通过在七月从签换交易中,把 D'Lo 交易出去,或者
现时更有可能的作法是,重新与他签约,然後可能在本赛季晚些时候将他交易出去、换取
另一位更优秀的球员。
There may not be many realistic and attractive alternatives to re-signing
Russell. It’s unclear what, if anything, he would net them on the
sign-and-trade front. The theoretical alternatives range from unrealistic
(Irving, VanVleet) to even more unrealistic (Young, Lillard).
除了重新签下 D'Lo 之外,可能没有很多现实的、有吸引力的替代方案。目前还不清楚签
换交易方面能给他们带来什麽(如有)。理论上的替代方案,从不现实的(KI、FVV
)到更不现实的(吹羊、小李)都存在。
Acquiring Irving or VanVleet would almost certainly require a sign-and-trade,
which would hard cap the Lakers at $169.0 million. The Lakers can create
roughly $30million to $35 million in cap space, but it would cost them
multiple rotation players, likely including Hachimura. Even then, Irving and
VanVleet may want more than the $35 million the Lakers can offer – Irving’s
maximum contract would start at about $47 million and VanVleet’s max begins
at $40.2 million. Young and Lillard have been discussed internally but appear
nothing more than a pipe dream given the current asking prices for stars on
the trade market.
要获取KI或FVV几乎肯定需要先签後换,这将使湖人的硬上限达到一点六九亿美元。
湖人队可以创造大约三千万至三千五百万美元的上限空间,但这将使他们失去多名板凳球
员,可能包括八村。即使如此,KI、FVV可能想要超过湖人能够提供的三千五百万美
元薪资——KI的最高合约将从大约四千七百万美元起跳,FVV的最高合约则从四千零
二十万美元起跳。吹羊和小李已经被内部讨论过了,但考虑到目前交易市场上明星的要价
,似乎只是纸上谈兵的事。
That leaves Paul as the most realistic potential upgrade at point guard. If
Paul is waived or stretched by the Suns, the Lakers would have a strong
interest in signing him, according to multiple team sources not authorized to
speak publicly.
这使得CP3 成为控球後卫群中,最现实的潜在升级。据多个未获授权公开发言的球队消息
人士透露,如果CP3 被太阳队裁走,湖人队对於签下他将有强烈的兴趣。
The Athletic reported the Suns were working with Paul through a number of
options for next season, including a trade or a release. He is slated to make
$30.8 million next season, but only $15.8 million of that is guaranteed if he
is waived before June 28.
《运动家》曾报导称,太阳队正与CP3 就下赛季探索各种可能性,包括交易或放人。他下
赛季的年薪将达到三千零八十万美元,但如果他在六月廿八日前被裁走,受保障的薪资将
只剩一千五百八十万美元。
Given that Paul’s next contract would offset the amount he’s guaranteed for
this season, him signing for anything more than the veteran’s minimum doesn’
t really make sense, as it would only hinder his new team. The Lakers could
then sign Paul to a veteran’s minimum contract, retaining access to other
salary-cap exceptions to use on other players to bolster their depth.
监於CP3 的下一份合同将抵消他本赛季的受保障薪资,他以超过老将底薪的合约签约其实
是没有意义的,因为这只会对他的新球队造成阻碍。然後,湖人队可以用老将最低薪资合
约与CP3 签约,保留其他薪资上限的特例,以用於其他球员,加强他们的深度。
Paul is coming off a season in which he averaged 13.9 points per game (on a
55.5 true shooting percentage), 4.3 rebounds, 8.9 assists and 1.5 steals. He’
s far from the player he was even a few years ago, but he remains a quality
starter as a plus shooter and passer. His biggest issue, as has been the case
for several years, is durability. He has suffered an injury in three straight
postseasons and six of his nine trips to the playoffs, indicating the Lakers
would likely have to manage his workload throughout the 2023-24 season.
CP3 在赛季结束时,场均累计十三点九分(真实命中率达五成五)、四点三个篮板、八点
九次助攻和一点五次抄截。虽然比数年前的表现远远逊色,但他仍然是一个高品质的首发
球员,是一个优秀的灌蓝兼传球者。他最大的问题,正如近年来的情况一样,是耐久性。
他已经连续三个赛季在季後赛中受伤,九次进季後赛中也有六次受伤,这表明湖人队可能
不得不在整个2023-24 赛季管理他的工作量。
If the Lakers replace Russell with Paul on a minimum contract, they’d be
able to easily retain Reaves and Hachimura and have the option to use their
non-taxpayer midlevel exception (worth approximately $12.5 million annually)
on Schröder, another player, or both. Another option the Lakers have
discussed is signing Paul and retaining Russell to further solidify their
point guard position, according to those team sources. Paul would be the
favorite to start in that scenario.
如果湖人队能藉着底薪条款,让CP3 取代D'Lo,他们将能够轻松地保留 Reaves 和八村,
并可以选择将他们的非纳税中产特例(每年价值约一千二百五十万美元)用在德软身上、
另一名球员,或两者都用。据这些球队消息人士的说法,湖人队讨论的另一个选项是签下
CP3 并保留D'Lo,以进一步巩固他们的控球後卫位置。在这种情况下,CP3 将是首发的热
门人选。
Head-to-head, Paul vs. Russell was never a conversation until last season,
and Paul still rates out better in virtually every advanced metric. He’s the
better midrange shooter, passer, rebounder and more of a defensive playmaker.
That said, Russell is younger, nearly matched Paul as a midrange shooter this
past season and is the better 3-point shooter both by percentage and volume.
Russell’s 6-foot-10 wingspan also allows him to defend bigger players and
add length to the Lakers’ scheme in a way that the 38-year-old Paul never
could.
在上个赛季之前,CP3 与D'Lo的正面对决从未成为话题,而且CP3 在几乎所有的高级指标
上都更胜一筹。他是表现更好的中距离投手、传球者、篮板手和更多的防守者。也就是说
,D'Lo更年轻,在过去的一个赛季里,他的中距离投篮能力几乎和CP3 不相上下,而且在
百分比和数量上都是更好的三分投手。D'Lo六尺十寸的翼展也使他能够防守更大的球员,
并为湖人队的计划增加长度,而三十岁的CP3 却永远不可能做到。
Paul’s ability to command an offense would be appealing to a Lakers team
that has lacked that type of traditional floor general. James, of course, has
always played that role, to an extent, but Paul is one of the few players in
the league he would fully trust to help co-pilot the offense. Signing Paul in
this scenario would also be a minimal one-year investment from the Lakers.
CP3 指挥进攻的能力对於缺乏这种传统地板将军的湖人队来说是很有吸引力的。当然,
LBJ 在某种程度上一直扮演着这样的角色,但CP3 是联盟中为数不多、他会完全信任的球
员之一,可以帮助他共同领导进攻。在这种情况下,签下CP3 也将是湖人队最基本的一年
投资。
There are other reasons for a Paul-Lakers reunion. Paul’s family remains in
Los Angeles. Paul and James have a long, storied friendship. They have
envisioned what it would be like to play together over the years. Paul
famously was traded to the Lakers in 2011 before the deal was nixed by former
commissioner David Stern for “basketball reasons.”
CP3 在湖人队的重逢还有其他原因。CP3 的家人仍然在洛杉矶。CP3 和LBJ 还有一段长期
的、有故事性的有七个。多年来,他们曾设想过一起打球会是什麽样子。保罗在二零一一
年被交易到湖人队时,在完成已被前专员David Stern 以「篮球考量」为由否决之前,这
一点是很有名的。
If the Lakers sign Paul, let Russell walk and retain Schroder, a Paul-Schroder
backcourt tandem would still allow Paul to play only 24 to 26 minutes per
night in the regular season before ramping up to a larger role in the
playoffs. Paul and Schroder played together in Oklahoma City during the
2019-20 season; Thunder lineups outscored opponents by 15.6 points per 100
possessions in the regular season and 5.3 points per 100 possessions in the
playoffs with the duo on the floor, per NBA.com.
如果湖人签下 CP3,放走 D'Lo 并留住德软,CP3 -德软的後场组合仍然可以让CP3 在例
行赛中每晚只打二十四到二十六分钟,然後在季後赛中提升到更大的作用。2019-20 赛季
期间,保罗和施罗德在雷霆队一起打球;根据数据统计,雷霆队的先发阵容在例行赛中,
每一百场中赢了对手十五点六分,在季後赛阶段,每一百场中赢了五点三分。
However, Schroder is quietly one of the top point guard options realistically
available this summer and will command deals that could be upwards of the
non-taxpayer mid-level exception (about $12.5 million starting salary). The
Lakers only have non-Bird rights on him, meaning they’d likely need to use
the midlevel exception to meet his market.
只不过,德软悄悄地成为今夏相对现实的顶级控球後卫选择之一,他的交易额可能会超过
非纳税中产特例(大约一千二百五十万美元的起薪)。湖人队只拥有他的非鸟权,这意味
着他们可能需要使用中产特例来满足他的市场。
The Lakers have other options. They could re-sign Schröder anyway and
promote him to starting point guard, maintaining wing and big-man depth by
keeping Malik Beasley ($16.5 million team option) and Mo Bamba ($10.3 million
non-guaranteed contract) over Russell. They could technically sign all three
of Russell, Paul and Schröder, with Russell and Schröder sliding up to
shooting guard in smaller bench backcourts. They could also hand ballhandling
keys over to Reaves and add a player in the Caldwell-Pope/Danny Green mold
next to him to form a bigger backcourt, but it’s unclear if they’re willing
to do that yet.
湖人队还有其他选择。他们可以重新签下德软,并将他擢升为先发控球後卫,再透过保留
Malik Beasley(一千六百五十万美元的球团选择权)和 Mo Bamba(一千零三十万美元的
非保障合约),维持侧翼和大个子的深度。从理论上来讲,他们可以把D'Lo、CP3 和德软
三人都签下来,D'Lo和德软在较小的板凳後卫线上滑到投篮後卫。他们也可以把控球权交
给Reaves,并在他身边增加一个类似KCP 或丹尼绿的球员,组成一个更大的後场,但现在
还不清楚他们是否愿意这样做。
Looking at the free-agent market, if the Lakers wanted to use one of their
exceptions, there aren’t many – if any – options that would be a
legitimate upgrade over Schroder, let alone Russell. The Athletic’s John
Hollinger’s free-agency point guard rankings have Russell and Schroder at
No. 3 and No. 6, respectively. Aside from Irving and VanVleet, Miami’s Gabe
Vincent – more of a combo guard than a traditional floor general – is the
only appealing alternative, at least to Schröder.
纵观自由球员市场,如果湖人想使用他们手上的其中一个特例,没有多少比德软更合理的
升级之选择(如有),更不用说 D'Lo 了。在《运动家》记者 John Hollinger 的自由市
场控球後卫排名中,D'Lo和德软分别排在第三和第六位。除了KI和FVV,热火的Gabe
Vincent ——更像是一个双能卫,而不是一个传统的场上指挥官——是唯一有吸引力的替
代方案,至少对德软来说。
Most realistically, the Lakers will re-sign Russell and Schröder,
maintaining flexibility for next season with the ability to enhance the
roster with a trade during the season. There’s also the growing possibility
that they can make a move at the 2023 draft, flipping their pick (No. 17),
along with Bamba and/or Beasley for a starting-level upgrade.
最现实的是,湖人将重新签下 D'Lo 和德软,为下个赛季保持灵活性,并有能力在赛季中
通过交易来增强阵容。此外,他们越来越有可能在二零二三年的选秀大会上采取行动,将
他们的选秀权(第十七号)与 Bamba 和/或 Beasley 一起交易出去,以获得一个先发级
别的升级。
The Lakers have craved continuity for years and have a chance to finally
establish some semblance of that by running it back with most of their
current group. That begins with the point guard position, which will
determine who fills in the fifth spot around Davis, James, Hachimura and
Reaves in closing lineups.
湖人队多年来一直渴望永续性,并有机会透过与现有的大部分阵中球员一起运行,最终建
立起某种程度上的永续性。这要从控球後卫的位置开始,这将决定谁在AD、LBJ 、八村
和 Reaves 之外的第五个位置上担当先发球员。
Los Angeles has a one-to-two-year championship window with James (38) and
Davis (30). This is perhaps its best shot at addressing arguably the team’s
biggest need and help solve some of the late-game offensive lulls from the
playoffs, most notably in the conference finals.
湖人的 LBJ(三十八岁)和AD(三十岁)有一至两年的冠军窗口。这也许是解决球队最
大需求的最好机会,并有助於解决季後赛中(尤其在西部决赛期间)最为明显的一些後期
进攻问题。
There are numerous ways the Lakers’ offseason can unfold. But, assuming they
stay true to their intent by retaining Reaves and Hachimura, nothing is more
important for the Lakers than their future at point guard.
湖人队的休赛季有无数方式可以开展。但是,假设他们忠於自己的计划、留下 Reaves 和
八村,对湖人来说,没有什麽比他们在控球後卫上的补强动作来得更重要。
短评:
在痛定思痛後,要再出发可能会是一大考验呢...
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1F:推 wahaha303 : 好 AD换KI 谢谢指教 06/17 08:26
2F:推 aoka : 那个MVP控卫 06/17 08:27
3F:推 MK47 : 感觉最後是原班主力再战一年 XD 06/17 08:29
4F:推 qaz80691 : 有个75大mvp可以考虑一下 06/17 08:29
5F:→ kickvsbrad : 那个底薪MVP控卫 06/17 08:30
6F:推 aaagang : 加油 06/17 08:31
7F:推 dog29635841 : 每次都想补pg但球都在老刷子手上 来了只能负责领绳 06/17 08:31
8F:推 roger2623900: 怕的是原班底留不下来 尤其是德软 06/17 08:31
9F:→ candbilly153: 永远都缺PG 06/17 08:32
10F:推 ginopun10477: 朕的PG 06/17 08:33
11F:嘘 ab342160816 : 15.8M=一百五十八万美元??? 06/17 08:33
12F:推 kaneggyy : 翻错了 cp3薪水少一个0 06/17 08:34
13F:推 JonnyJostar : 找cp3 那你季後赛谁要打 06/17 08:36
14F:推 bluestaral : 控卫到湖人不就都变成等球射手吗? 06/17 08:37
15F:→ angelgreen : pg来都只是背姆壳 06/17 08:37
16F:嘘 abcde010710 : 好了啦 补强裁判比较重要 上次重播中心9打5还是输 06/17 08:39
17F:推 akakbest : PG找CP3啊 06/17 08:39
18F:→ GordonJordan: CP3来当等球射手? 06/17 08:43
19F:推 alex8725 : 有没有发现每个PG来都被嫌 06/17 08:43
20F:→ alex8725 : 不就代表喇叭体系需要的根本不是PG?是双能卫 06/17 08:43
21F:→ SuikaJasper : 找双能卫就会被姆斯说球队没playmaker要补强,找了p 06/17 08:46
22F:→ SuikaJasper : laymaker又只能捡剩下的球权弱化然後被嫌,姆斯回圈 06/17 08:46
23F:推 h75311418 : Pg 坟场 06/17 08:46
24F:推 bluestaral : 太阳如果知道湖人要抢,搞不好不放人;毕竟AD这麽说 06/17 08:47
25F:→ h75311418 : 签西门吧 06/17 08:47
26F:→ bluestaral : :太阳赢湖人不过是运气好 06/17 08:47
27F:→ VL1003 : 要的不多,能 3 能 D、平常打无球偶尔代班控球即可 06/17 08:47
28F:→ angelgreen : 球都在球霸手上,搞控卫来有什麽用 06/17 08:48
29F:推 alex8725 : VL大你要的根本没有不多啊www 06/17 08:48
30F:推 meson : 问就是西批三 06/17 08:48
31F:→ bluestaral : 结果去年例行赛末段,太阳笃定第一种子时还全员出来 06/17 08:48
32F:→ bluestaral : 淘汰湖人,让湖人附加赛都不能进,可见讨厌的程度多 06/17 08:49
33F:→ bluestaral : 高 06/17 08:49
34F:→ alex8725 : 不然AD拿去换小李好了 直接补到那个最需要的後卫 06/17 08:49
35F:→ asn789451 : 缺个打无球的控卫 06/17 08:50
36F:推 Y225 : AD换KI可以啊 06/17 08:53
37F:推 gangrel : 待退老汉赶快滚吧 06/17 08:54
38F:推 st50816 : 当湖人的随队是不是随便写随便有流量= = 06/17 08:55
39F:推 korgh413 : 关键时间有人霸球,所以要会打无球的控卫 06/17 08:55
40F:推 cama : 问就是找不到比德软更适合的 06/17 08:55
41F:→ CmDawn : 标题只要写湖爪就流量保障 06/17 08:57
42F:推 truejoker : 被吹成香到爆的罗素,一定顶薪续的啊 06/17 08:59
43F:→ proter : 是不是永远在找PG 06/17 09:01
44F:推 yueyi313 : 笑死,湖人每一年都在买後卫,「每一年」,结果是 06/17 09:04
45F:→ yueyi313 : 例行赛一开打:老詹控球超过30分钟一直刷助攻,後 06/17 09:04
46F:→ yueyi313 : 卫只能等球!笑死,每一年都在缺後卫! 06/17 09:04
47F:推 Y225 : 这次可以找真的PG来控了吧?已经一万助攻了 06/17 09:07
48F:推 shangyen : 问就是勇士Poole 06/17 09:07
49F:推 yueyi313 : 湖人真正缺的是是「厄文」、「柯瑞」这种无球跑动 06/17 09:08
50F:→ yueyi313 : 可以让老詹刷助攻又很准可以帮老詹拉开空间,然後 06/17 09:08
51F:→ yueyi313 : 老詹想刷得分时还会帮忙助攻的後卫。笑死,「每一 06/17 09:08
52F:→ yueyi313 : 年」,「每一年」都在找後卫! 06/17 09:08
53F:推 ARTORIA : 每年都在找控卫真的有病 06/17 09:08
54F:→ ARTORIA : 你要嘛找中锋 要嘛找个3D 找个控卫又不给控球要干嘛 06/17 09:09
55F:推 st890284 : 每个PG到某刷仔身边都会废掉被斗臭 不要不信 06/17 09:09
56F:→ yueyi313 : 老詹根本不需要3D後卫,哈哈哈哈哈,3D拉不开空间 06/17 09:09
57F:→ su1995 : 这串几乎都在云欸==看看ar拿球拿的多爽 06/17 09:13
58F:→ ARTORIA : AR拿很爽 那你还找控卫干嘛 06/17 09:14
59F:推 yueyi313 : 笑死,AR是控卫吗? 06/17 09:15
60F:推 AngelNo13 : 把球投进谁会嫌?啊各种打铁还要求人家有大爱包容 06/17 09:16
61F:→ AngelNo13 : 你吗 06/17 09:16
62F:推 snakebite : 还是觉得CP3如果被裁可以去湖人,而且这现实多了 06/17 09:16
63F:→ yueyi313 : AR是控球吗?哈哈哈哈哈哈 06/17 09:16
64F:嘘 baliuzeger : 这篇是菇狗翻译吧翻太烂了 06/17 09:18
65F:推 kip88363 : AR是二号位,但他可以客串PG也能playmaking 06/17 09:21
66F:推 Brucetk : 又回到每天都是湖人想怎麽交易的日子 06/17 09:21
67F:→ sbdr : 就等待411 有需要这麽计较控球补谁吗 06/17 09:22
68F:推 kip88363 : 火腿的战术体系要求多个持球点,已经有不少湖迷觉得 06/17 09:22
69F:→ kip88363 : 湖人会在选秀用#17再补一个持球双能卫了 06/17 09:23
70F:推 LBJKO : 不关心的 不会计较控球补谁很正常~ 06/17 09:24
71F:→ LBJKO : 季後赛就凸显湖人面对的问题点,还需要组织的 06/17 09:25
72F:→ LBJKO : playmaker,现有的就各自缺乏彼此的东西 加起来等於 06/17 09:25
73F:→ LBJKO : 1个完整个XD AR很出色,组织也有 但火候还不够 06/17 09:26
74F:→ LBJKO : 进攻端减少突然当机(要是有人失常)~ 06/17 09:27
75F:推 yueyi313 : 厄文外,小李是第一解 06/17 09:28
76F:推 LBJKO : 湖人再找另一个类似AR的後卫~ 06/17 09:29
77F:推 kip88363 : 刚好这届选秀有一个预测乐透的新秀模板是 AR pro 06/17 09:34
78F:推 vvvv0o0vvvv : 有LBJ在 根本不用控球後卫 06/17 09:34
79F:推 currit : LBJ要的是咖哩 不是控球後卫 06/17 09:41
80F:推 akko76815 : 再说一次 朕要的PG是 快艇那个 ! 06/17 09:50
81F:推 kingianlin : 老詹要的就是那种无球射手,他不想控还能帮他控 06/17 10:00
82F:→ kingianlin : 真要说德软算是低配版本吧,但其实也够用的便宜 06/17 10:01
83F:→ kingianlin : 然後自家还有一个有机会的AR实际上根本不需要补 06/17 10:02
84F:→ kingianlin : 湖人里面最不符合老詹的反而就是DLO 06/17 10:03
85F:推 sexycute : 还在讲球在姆斯手上的是不是没看今年季後赛 06/17 10:05
86F:推 kip88363 : Dlo无球反而比德软适合老詹吧... 06/17 10:06
87F:推 secret822 : DLO季後赛软手 走不远 老詹不爱 06/17 10:08
88F:推 MyDarkLife : 又是PG 但是LBJ在进攻端还是持球居多吧 06/17 10:08
89F:→ LBJKO : Dlo问题其实不是不搭,而是他本身就比较欠缺切入破坏 06/17 10:08
90F:→ LBJKO : 以至於当对手针对他投射区块掐死,他没有第二方式 06/17 10:09
91F:→ MyDarkLife : 缺的是PG位置 还要能无球+持球的 最好还要有防守 06/17 10:09
92F:→ LBJKO : 去突围 金块那系列就是如此 那是他本身的弱项 06/17 10:09
93F:→ LBJKO : 而得软刚好相反,他组织普普,投射不到优 但切入 06/17 10:10
94F:→ LBJKO : 有破坏力(这季後段阿基里斯有伤,切不了) 06/17 10:10
95F:→ LBJKO : 两人互补加起来刚好等於一个完整的XD 06/17 10:10
96F:推 sexycute : 能控能无球能保持稳定输出,唯一解就KI了吧 06/17 10:11
97F:→ sexycute : 但除非底薪签不然不可能,还是努力点找3D吧 06/17 10:11
98F:→ LBJKO : 金块就是抓死那两个问题,导致湖人进攻当机~ 06/17 10:11
99F:→ LBJKO : 所以湖人才在想办法补足这区块~ 06/17 10:12
100F:→ nothing188 : 林书豪很便宜,也待过湖人,最适合了 06/17 10:13
101F:→ xm3k0828 : 场均大三元mvp: 06/17 10:13
102F:推 Fezico : 湖人这个位置根本屎缺中的屎缺 06/17 10:14
103F:→ keny372 : 有LBJ的队每年都说要补PG 06/17 10:16
104F:嘘 ENCOREH33456: LBJ每一轮都对控卫不满意== 06/17 10:20
105F:→ ENCOREH33456: 现在NBA没几个像软豆那样的球员了 06/17 10:21
106F:→ SlamKai : 每年都在找控卫 06/17 10:22
107F:推 yueyi313 : AR很好用!但是AR主要是吃2-3号位置的优势。主防守 06/17 10:35
108F:→ yueyi313 : ,可投射,可单打较矮小後卫。但不是湖人核心进攻 06/17 10:35
109F:→ yueyi313 : 群,湖人要的是核心进攻群压制,替补或二阵用AR德 06/17 10:35
110F:→ yueyi313 : 软去搞对方,别搞错方向了! 06/17 10:35
111F:推 WangJerry : 未来几年都是小丑的 早点重建吧 06/17 10:51
112F:推 mumoon : 霸球到最後几秒传出去,伟哉 06/17 10:53
113F:嘘 cor1os : 老刷子要的是锋卫不是控卫 06/17 10:56
114F:推 pieceofcake : 下改领绳的会是? 06/17 11:06
115F:推 alex8725 : 我刚好认识一个切入破坏力很够的 还能常常刷大三元 06/17 11:07
116F:→ alex8725 : ,气氛好,打替补也不会怪声 要考虑看看吗 06/17 11:07
117F:推 LBJKO : 你刚好认识搭配不起来 已经交易出去的吗? 06/17 11:11
118F:→ LBJKO : 已经不适合要再在搞一次吗? 06/17 11:12
119F:→ cor1os : 气氛好跟打替补不气氛是假的 -.- 06/17 11:15
120F:→ cor1os : 年纪大了切入也不犀利了 06/17 11:16
121F:→ a8856554 : 腿詹也快滚了,不用再白耗工找不是基石的控卫来 06/17 11:22
122F:嘘 DreamStyle : 翻译好多错 06/17 11:43
123F:推 SHetler : 有lbj的球队每年都要pg 不过来了又没球控黑掉 06/17 11:53
124F:→ n924127 : 太长 06/17 11:55
125F:嘘 AIDS0822 : 当队版? 06/17 12:06
126F:推 calvin1378 : 其实德软就继续用了吧毕竟要完全契合老詹的控卫很难 06/17 12:07
127F:推 swingingbear: 他们是不是没搞懂问题在哪 06/17 12:11
128F:→ jasonkau : 介绍 CP3 是好的灌篮手那段翻错了 06/17 13:50
129F:推 Lycoris1290 : 问就是控 06/17 14:12
130F:→ leito : 从感谢德软不续约喜迎龟龟,到嫌龟壳重狂赞DLO,现 06/17 14:39
131F:→ leito : 在换唾弃DLO改意淫谁了? 06/17 14:39
132F:嘘 ko373328 : 姆斯的球队哪来不缺控卫 找了以後又霸占球权 06/17 17:06
133F:推 secretmen : 除了KI,LBJ用过的没一个留好名声 06/17 17:28
134F:推 evan700607 : 内文翻错一堆字 06/17 18:00
135F:推 clotha52181 : 面试第一句先问懂不懂吃咖哩饭 06/17 18:37
136F:→ ken720331 : 马来一堆错字恩 06/17 18:48
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