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https://is.gd/j0lS32 Danny Green's invisible value: How the third-highest paid Laker has impacted NBA Finals amid a shooting slump 丹尼绿看不到的价值:在投射超烂的情况下湖人的第三高薪球员如何影响总冠军赛 Death, taxes and Danny Green shooting slumps. They are the three inevitabilities of life, and for the "glass half full" crowd, they come with more optimistic opposites. Death is only the end result of life. The more you make, the more you're taxed. And Green's slumps only stick out because his hot streaks are so blistering. Toronto's championship run was a perfect example. Green went 4-for-23 from behind the arc in the Eastern Conference finals... and then started the NBA Finals 11-of-22 and all was forgiven. Green's shot comes and goes. 死亡、缴税、格林爆跌的命中率,他们是生活中三个无法避免的事情。对於装满半杯水的 人们来说,事情总有乐观的一面(剩半杯或是有半杯)。死亡是生命的结束,你赚的越多 ,你付越多税,格林的爆烂很显着因为他的起伏是多麽的强烈。暴龙夺冠的过程是最好的 例子。格林在东冠投23中4,但在总冠军赛投22中11,之前的事都可以被原谅了,格林的 投射来来去去的。 It hasn't in the bubble. Green is sitting at 33 percent for the postseason, and with only one game remaining before a potential championship, it's looking like his typical eruption isn't coming. Yet Frank Vogel hasn't taken him out of the starting lineup even once. Neither did Nick Nurse a year ago, or Gregg Popovich in any of his last six postseason runs in San Antonio. Some of that is trust. Some of it is blind hope of regression. But mostly, three of the best coaches in the NBA have all come to the same correct conclusion: Danny Green still impacts games positively even when his shot isn't falling. 但在泡泡圈内这并没有发生,格林在季後赛的命中率只有33%,在可能只剩一场比赛的情 况下,看起来他典型的爆发并不会来到(会不会被打脸啊?)。但是我哥从来都没有把他 移出先发,去年的护士也是一样,甚至在波波执教下待六年的马刺也是。有些是信任,有 些是盲目的希望数据会回归平均值。但至少,三个NBA最棒的教练都得到了一样且正确的 结论:就算射的很烂,格林仍然正面的影响着比赛 The numbers bear that out for the Lakers. They have outscored opponents by 148 points in Green's 476 playoff minutes and have been outscored by 14 in the 436 minutes he's sat out. The obvious explanation for this is that he is still an excellent defensive player independent of his own shooting, yet most of this gap comes on offense. The Lakers are scoring 121.5 points per 100 possessions with Green on the floor in the postseason and 107.5 without him. Lakers fans frustrated with his nearly-$15 million salary have run through the entire laundry list of possible excuses for that from "he still has gravity even when his shots aren't falling" to "he plays most of his minutes with LeBron James and Anthony Davis" to "it's just blind shooting luck in his lineups," but the far simpler answer here is that Green is just an enormously intelligent basketball player. 数字可以证明,在格林上场的476分钟,湖人胜过对手148分,在他待在场下的436分钟, 湖人输了14分。最明显的解释是不管他的投射如何,他都是一位优秀的防守者,但其实最 大的差异在於进攻。格林在场上的时候,湖人每百回合可以得到121.5分,但格林在场下 的时候,每百回合只能得到107.5分。受够他1500万年薪的湖人球迷已经用尽了所有的藉 口像是:"就算他射的很烂,他还是可以吸引防守"、"他大部分的时候都跟姆斯和戴维斯 一起在场上"到"他就是赛啦!",但最简单的答案是格林是非常有智慧的球员 Basketball IQ tends to be ascribed to ball-handlers. It's easy to watch Rajon Rondo dissect a defense in pick-and-roll and marvel at his brilliance, but the label shouldn't be so limited. Shooting, in Green's case, is the byproduct of the dozens of little things that make him such a special role player whether or not those shots go in. Game 4 of the NBA Finals provided a number of worthwhile examples. 篮球智商通常会归功於持球者。我们很容易看到软豆利用挡拆撕裂防守然後赞叹他的聪明 ,但标签不应该这麽的局限。在格林的例子中,很多小事情使他变成一个特别的球员,不 管他能不能投进,投射只是这些事情的副产品。第四场比赛就提供了很多的例子 Selling the screen LeBron is one of the NBA's preeminent switch-hunters, and Duncan Robinson has been his prey of choice in the Finals. The method is simple: whoever Robinson is guarding screens for LeBron, which forces Robinson to switch onto LeBron. Miami's defense is so concerned with mitigating the damage of such a switch that they lost track of the simplest switch-busting tactic in basketball: slipping. 姆斯是NBA最着名的点名王,而石佛上将是他的猎物之一。方法很简单,任何守DR守的 人去帮姆斯单挡,强迫DR去守詹姆斯。热火的防守很在意这样换防的破坏导致他们忘了 最简单破换防的技巧:溜走 A lazy slip is a predictable slip, but nothing about Green's acting job here is lazy. He comes from the opposite corner seemingly to screen for James, and sells the idea of that screen to Robinson masterfully with a quick, tiny little jump stop in front of Jimmy Butler. Robinson switches, but immediately following that stop, he continues into the corner before making serious contact with Butler. Butler, therefore, doesn't register the switch, and Green gets a wide-open 3-pointer from the corner. 懒堕的滑溜是可以预测的,但格林做的事一点都不懒。他从对方的角落过来,看似要帮姆 斯单挡,并且很熟练的利用一个小跳到吉巴前面来让DR认为格林是要帮挡。DR换防了 ,但格林在停下来後,马上在跟吉巴接触前往角落跑去,所以吉巴并没有注意到要换防, 而格林得到一个非常大的三分空档 https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HeavyForsakenFoxterrier-mobile.mp4 Green punished the Heat for their expectations, goading Robinson into a switch that wasn't necessary in order to free himself for easy points. Most players slip too early. Some players oversell the screen. But nuance is Green's specialty, and he isn't the sole beneficiary of those veteran tricks. 格林利用热火的预期来惩罚热火,诱导上将做不必要的换防来让他自己自由。大部分的球 员太早溜走了,有些球员挡过头了。 Peek-a-boo and the art of off-ball movement 捉迷藏和无球移动的艺术 Green spends a lot of his time in the corner. Many role players do. He starts this play like most others, waiting there for the action to potentially reach him. Eventually, it does. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope runs a loop around the court, and Bam Adebayo chases him. But watch what happens when Caldwell-Pope gets to the baseline. Green quickly shuffles out of the corner and behind Tyler Herro, obstructing Adebayo's vision of him. He then immediately pops back out from behind Herro once Caldwell-Pope has passed for a surprise screen on Adebayo, which takes him off of Caldwell-Pope. 格林花了很多的时间在角落,就像其他的角色球员一样,等待着可能行动的时机到来。 KCP绕着球场一圈,阿爹追着他,但KCP到底线後格林看到了,马上躲到Herro的後面,让 阿爹不要注意到他,之後他突然跳出来帮KCP挡住了阿爹。(樱木是用这个骗犯规) https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GenerousAcademicCirriped-mobile.mp4 It's the role player equivalent of White Goodman's patented peek-a-boo attack, but its impact is much subtler. The hard screen forces Adebayo off of Caldwell-Pope and into the corner on Green. Despite his best efforts, that functionally takes Miami's best defender out of the play, which turns into a dunk for Davis that he couldn't contest because of Green's gravity. 这样的影响是很微妙的,这个单挡迫使阿爹远离KCP来防守格林,尽管阿爹很努力了,这 一招让热火最好的防守者无法参与防守,因为得要守格林的三分,这也导致他无法守AD的 灌篮 Green quietly punked Adebayo again a bit later, and just as before, the move was subtle. Bam winds up in the corner on Green, and as Davis drives, Green gives Adebayo a nice little tap on the back, as if to say "don't worry big fella, I'm right here, you can leave me alone and creep towards the basket." It buys him a split second of freedom to launch the 3. 格林之後又默默的搞了阿爹一次,就跟之後一样,动作非常的细微。阿爹在角落守着格林 ,戴维斯准备要切,格林到阿爹的背後拍了一下,彷佛在跟阿爹说:"别担心啦~我就在 这里,你可以不用管我,专心的往篮框看就好了",之後他就回到角落得到了空档三分的 机会 https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BowedDistantHornbill-mobile.mp4 Adebayo was a Second-Team All-Defense forward this season. Few wings have gotten the better of him. Green did in the second quarter of Game 4 through little more than veteran guile. He has plenty of that on defense as well. 阿爹是防守第二队,很少有人防守比他好,但格林在第二节却很多诡计骗了他。除了进攻 ,在防守上也有很多招式。 His lightning-quick, ambidextrous hands 他的手非常快,左右双撇子 Green revealed in an interview during his rookie year that he is ambidextrous, but nobody paid it much mind because he barely dribbles. Where it has come into play, though, is on defense. Green is not just comfortable swiping with either hand, but can do so at almost any angle. One of his Game 4 steals came as he chased Herro, reached around his body and poked the ball out from behind with his right hand for the two easiest points of the night. 格林菜鸟时期曾经说他是双撇子,但没有人注意到它因为他几乎都不运球。但在防守的时 候,却可以看到他的使用。格林不仅可以舒适的左右换手,更可以在任何的角度这样做。 在他追着英雄的时候,他用他的右手把球给拍掉,轻松得到两分。 https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KeyVengefulFawn-mobile.mp4 He very nearly came up with another steal from behind, this time with his left hand while side-shuffling over a screen. 他几乎又再抄到一球,这次他利用绕过单挡的时候,用了他的左手拨掉球 Green has lost a step with age and a hip injury has nagged him during the postseason, but he remains a valuable defender in large part because of how he can use his length. Green tied for the Laker lead in deflections per game during the regular season, and even if he gets beaten off of the dribble more than he used to, he still affects jump-shooters even after chasing them around the court. 格林虽然因为年纪和受伤失去了一点速度,他然後是非常有价值的防守,因为他有长度。 格林每场比赛把球偏移的数量是湖人最多,就算他被过了,他也常常追着射手,并且影响 他们的投射 It speaks to one of Green's best traits, something that has shown up in all of these clips: his spatial awareness. Green uses and manipulates his position on the court as well as practically any off-ball player in basketball, and he does it on both sides of the ball. It is part of what sets him apart from his more traditional 3-and-D contemporaries. He doesn't need to hit his 3's to provide value. 格林最棒的特色就是他的空间感,以上影片所展示的进攻和防守都来自於此。所以即使他 投不进三分,他仍然比传统的3D球员有价值 In a sense, that could be viewed as the mantra for this entire Laker team. They are about to win a championship in the highest-volume 3-point shooting season of all time despite taking the 23rd-most 3-pointers per game in basketball. Their stars drive that contrarian approach, but their role players support it, perhaps none more so than Green, the shooter that doesn't need to shoot. 在NBA史上三分最多的球季,尽管湖人的三分投射量联盟第23名,但他们快要拿到冠军了 。他们的球星违反而联盟的趋势,但他们的角色球员支持着它,或许没有人做的比格林更 多,一个不需要射的射手。 心得: 真影子篮球员 可惜没有影子投篮的准度 --



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1F:推 MrSatan : 灵气堂射手 10/09 00:26
2F:推 MK47 : 不过为啥讲的这麽猛 第四节都很少给他打10/09 00:26
3F:推 ae6892723 : 啊这麽猛怎麽关门要上kcp而不是他?10/09 00:29
4F:嘘 answermangtr: 预祝灵堂射手二连霸 10/09 00:29
5F:推 victor21835 : 不然上jr 吗?10/09 00:31
6F:推 lai162 : 真的要靠DG 上半场把篮框砸歪 让热火下半场投不中 10/09 00:31
7F:→ luganzhin : 溜走王,第四节也默默溜走了 10/09 00:32
8F:推 lin1023 : 看到lai162的留言直接笑出来XD 10/09 00:32
9F:推 DerLuna : 球商真的高 而且他都根本用走的就有空档10/09 00:32
10F:推 LaoDa5815566: 嘴绿看不到的价值:投射烂还有拳脚功夫10/09 00:33
11F:推 AbukumaKai : 他骗到海一样大的空档 也不会进啊== 10/09 00:34
12F:推 rosemarycat : 笑死 先把篮框打歪 10/09 00:34
13F:推 Mrgoat : 智商压制阿爹 好猛10/09 00:34
14F:推 elviscarter : DG的防守值2000万!进攻扣500万回去才符合身价10/09 00:34
15F:推 curtismaniac: 同样的概念放在另外一个格林身上也可以,另外一个格10/09 00:35
16F:→ curtismaniac: 林防守更全面球商更高还能组织,投篮一样从总冠军赛10/09 00:35
17F:→ curtismaniac: 可以eff52+的射手变成被放投的对象,但很少人听到人10/09 00:35
18F:→ curtismaniac: 家称赞他XD10/09 00:35
19F:嘘 fupm : 他最大问题就是把空档做太大害自己投不进10/09 00:39
20F:→ class21535 : 圣堂灵气10/09 00:40
21F:推 armageddonwa: 先打歪篮框是我存在的意义10/09 00:42
22F:推 KKB : 不需要射进的射手10/09 00:42
23F:推 risingsuns : lai52好好笑 10/09 00:43
24F:→ risingsuns : lai16210/09 00:43
25F:推 roger2623900: 三分命中率微妙 但百回合进攻+14 投不进但只要上场10/09 00:43
26F:→ roger2623900: 就能让队友进攻变强也是蛮神奇的 10/09 00:43
27F:→ roger2623900: 只能说DG打球真的很聪明10/09 00:44
28F:推 nedekwn : 意思是说 他上场能让队友有空档的时间变多了? 10/09 00:46
29F:推 super009 : 标题看成格林看不到价值 进来才发现有个 的 10/09 00:47
30F:推 DALLASDirk : 遥想当年DG冠军赛射爆LBJ的热火 还被叫圣堂射手时QQ 10/09 00:48
31F:→ Puye : 即使如此我还是希望他能多射一点 他进攻多发挥一点10/09 00:50
32F:推 Hsan : 把篮框砸歪XDDD10/09 00:50
33F:→ Puye : 湖人会更顺遂 才不会一直看到外线打铁 10/09 00:50
34F:推 s10130804 : 有长度是跟乡民一样30cm吗 10/09 00:50
35F:→ rony98 : 有LBJ和AD两只吸怪机 DC歪欧喷很多 但就是不会进...10/09 00:50
36F:推 jimmyisgay : 意思是他很多招 可以帮助队友得分10/09 00:51
37F:推 kobi20lynn : 另类的高价射手10/09 00:51
38F:→ cauliflower : 川普不同意第二项10/09 00:51
39F:推 tony20095 : 他就真的超影薄,常常偷跑没被发现10/09 00:53
40F:推 rbki3 : 如臻化境了! To be or Not to be~ 对手猜不透你!10/09 00:54
41F:推 ZaireWade3 : 价值就是扛战犯 让湖人其他人劳赛时能被少嘴点10/09 00:56
42F:推 rj486 : 他会不会晋升到用气功守住对手?一般人看不到10/09 01:01
43F:→ rj486 : 这就是所谓看不到的价值10/09 01:01
44F:推 icou : DG的协防太重要了10/09 01:02
45F:→ super009 : 绿子的篮球 10/09 01:04
46F:推 ooplus : 嘴绿这两年进攻比灵堂还雷耶10/09 01:05
47F:推 wpd : 圣光灵堂10/09 01:05
48F:推 LBJ23 : 那第四节可以不要上Caruso上DG吗 Caruso真的太嫩 10/09 01:06
49F:推 mark0912n : 灵堂是投射是骰 嘴绿直接没有了好吗10/09 01:12
50F:推 ooplus : 上caruso应该是因为他的运动能力啦 10/09 01:12
51F:→ mark0912n : Danny Green这季还有36.7% 嘴绿不到30% 10/09 01:13
52F:推 danorken : 预祝灵堂周六变圣堂 10/09 01:13
53F:推 santiago148 : 篮框砸歪笑死10/09 01:15
54F:→ Sailingeegee: 有原文网址吗 求个10/09 01:21
55F:推 kobe30418 : 第四节不用DG 因为第四节是巨星时刻 10/09 01:22
56F:推 Allenlin0720: 篮框砸歪笑死XD 10/09 01:26
57F:推 Usayhiisayha: 那个拍背真的神10/09 01:26
58F:→ FatalLuna : 宁可他勇敢点骰三分 看他切入抛投才吐血10/09 01:27
59F:推 zego41 : 到底为什麽三分会变这样啊,没看过什麽成名射手走样10/09 01:32
60F:→ ken720331 : 上篮不进乾脆给我灌篮好吗?,老将没有上篮手感很10/09 01:32
61F:→ ken720331 : 丢脸QQ10/09 01:32
62F:推 blackkeys : 骰子牛10/09 01:35
63F:推 hermionex : 马刺後面那几年早就灵堂化惹 去年才回光返照10/09 01:38
64F:推 ykes60513 : 影子射手10/09 01:41
65F:推 bl00190 : 事实就是赢球才是王道 现在如果落後的是湖人 他10/09 01:41
66F:→ bl00190 : 那个命中率早就被酸民干到爆了 然後文章标题就变10/09 01:41
67F:→ bl00190 : 成湖人需要圣殿射手回归 10/09 01:41
68F:推 STRO : 他数据看起来很烂,但是很清楚自己要做什麽,场上10/09 01:42
69F:→ STRO : 有他在就很容易运转顺利10/09 01:42
70F:推 scott68680 : lai笑死 10/09 01:48
71F:推 jelitec : 好了烂成这样还能吹 真是服了你们10/09 01:53
72F:推 mmmn52332 : 他在马刺就是这样了,所以有时候真的很恨他投不进.. 10/09 01:59
73F:推 charles33 : 因为他有长度XDDDD 10/09 02:02
74F:嘘 nicohsnu : 好惨...需要写成这样来体现他的价值 10/09 02:04
75F:推 j9145 : 湖人三分只要三成命中率就够了,灵堂在总冠军赛前命10/09 02:06
76F:→ j9145 : 中率的确是三成。 谁知道总冠军还能往下掉10/09 02:06
77F:→ qazqaz69 : 湖人除了喇叭谁戒指比他多 10/09 02:15
78F:推 jetrider : 因为有些人搞不懂他的价值才需要特地写一篇啊 呵呵 10/09 02:19
79F:推 DerLuna : 上篮一直放枪真的囧10/09 02:20
80F:推 gigiii1134 : 至少前面几球他都成功的让阿爹无法协防,进而让队10/09 02:33
81F:→ gigiii1134 : 友轻松得分10/09 02:33
82F:推 s5167267 : 圣堂是不是花很多钱在打广告啊 哈哈哈哈10/09 02:47
83F:→ Woodoo9 : Green的防守意识真的很好,但是投不进就是惨。10/09 02:49
84F:推 forfiet : 看来是很会搞事的兄弟,可惜上篮放枪投篮太骰10/09 03:09
85F:推 Surffie : 怕拿不到戒指想洗白喔10/09 03:09
86F:推 erosha : 他就是赛啦 lol10/09 03:30
87F:推 ksvs0406 : 看一看我知道GD下场要爆发了10/09 03:43
88F:推 theowing : 那是赢球才掩盖了所有的问题10/09 03:56
89F:嘘 King5566 : 看他快攻处理球的鸟样 说球商多高我真的怀疑 10/09 04:06
90F:推 Gibye5566 : 如果输球早被鞭死 他球商没问题 一般射手有10/09 05:08
91F:→ Gibye5566 : LBJ AD牵制 至少4成3分 灵堂是大空档也很骰10/09 05:09
92F:→ xepherius : Duncan Robinson不是石佛。。 10/09 05:14
93F:→ chieher : Duncan Robinson 翻成石佛上将真的没问题吗...10/09 05:30
94F:→ chieher : 後面连石佛都没了变成上将...我整个理解困难QQ 10/09 05:30
95F:推 hanslins : 绿真的很厉害,没有3的3D竟然还能正影响胜负 10/09 05:38
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96F:→ nnkj : 竟然是真的 DG正5 LBJ负2 10/09 06:41
※ 编辑: kyle5241 (111.249.68.179 台湾), 10/09/2020 06:45:26
97F:嘘 perfect64732: 空档投不进就是没用 10/09 06:49
98F:推 nplin : DG的偷溜大法从马刺就有了 这招真的很扰乱防守 XD 10/09 06:50
99F:→ nnkj : LBJ忙了半天对球队贡献竟然是负分 反观DG正5分 10/09 06:51
※ 编辑: kyle5241 (111.249.68.179 台湾), 10/09/2020 07:04:44 ※ 编辑: kyle5241 (111.249.68.179 台湾), 10/09/2020 07:07:14
100F:嘘 boyutsai : 那要LBJ 和AD干嘛,这麽会跑,跑出空档不会得分, 10/09 07:10
101F:→ boyutsai : 是能赢喔 10/09 07:10
102F:→ boyutsai : 看看另一个嘴绿就清楚了 10/09 07:11
103F:推 NEKOWORKi : 有时候看他补防很快 10/09 07:17
104F:推 BL4CK : 原来是打歪篮框啊,这思路太屌了 10/09 07:17
105F:推 ajefferys : 看完真的觉得猛 10/09 07:19
106F:→ kyle5241 : 其实是时间钳形攻势~ 10/09 07:37
107F:→ house911 : 两边射手比谁骰的准? 10/09 07:56
108F:→ ksk0516 : 写手超爱捧这只欸,结果关键被放在板凳 10/09 08:01
109F:→ no321 : 他的防守没办法让他的低命中率被忽视 10/09 08:22
110F:推 tiefu : 感谢分享 10/09 08:39
LakersDlo:转录至看板 Lakers 10/09 08:45
111F:推 LakersDlo : 借分享一下~ 10/09 08:45
112F:推 james918 : 篮框砸歪真的很好笑XD 10/09 08:56
113F:推 skylion : 上一场不是五成吗? 10/09 08:59
114F:推 alex53001 : 我道歉声明准备好了 小绿 10/09 09:02
115F:推 Muratlo : 他然後是非常有价值的防守,因为他有长度~什麽长度 10/09 09:03
116F:→ Muratlo : 呢 ^^" 10/09 09:03
117F:推 cowbellse : 打铁匠的艺术 10/09 09:16
118F:→ hydra6716 : 哪有人忽视他打铁?不就只告诉你他的价值而已 10/09 09:17
119F:→ hydra6716 : 他如果还跟当年在马刺一样稳 你以为在现在 10/09 09:18
120F:→ hydra6716 : 这个时代1500买的到喔 10/09 09:18
121F:推 roger2623900: DG在场上打铁还能百回合+14就知道价值在哪了 10/09 09:21
122F:推 dcoog7880 : green是给了多少钱= = 10/09 09:29
123F:推 Whatsupp : 我知道你跑位很棒 可是空档可以再准一点吗 10/09 09:33
124F:→ loserloser : 这版不能说脏话吗?为什麽要消音 10/09 09:34
125F:→ kiralin : 希望下一场大爆发 我想看圣堂射手 10/09 09:40
126F:推 camaroYP : 剩躺射手 10/09 09:45
127F:→ no321 : 当初1500也没有只期望买到没有3的3D吧 10/09 09:48
128F:推 hydra6716 : 他三分也是冠军赛才暴跌,例行赛跟分区赛好歹也稳定 10/09 09:53
129F:→ hydra6716 : 36趴上下 10/09 09:53
130F:推 cado0824 : 他的价值非常高 只是很多人纯看数据 10/09 10:01
131F:→ Nitricacid : 我比较相信打歪篮框 10/09 10:02
132F:推 super1315566: 推 10/09 10:08
133F:→ hau7341 : 没用啦,队友就是烂才对啊!队友都杂鱼没听过吗? 10/09 10:14
134F:推 a9527a : 剑指二连霸的球员! 10/09 10:15
135F:推 mytelson : 就是一个射手,放在场上你怎麽可能不注意他,本来 10/09 10:22
136F:→ mytelson : 就是有影响力,就算不准也是一样 10/09 10:23
137F:推 allssddaa : 先把篮框砸歪是最近看到最好笑的XD 10/09 10:41
138F:嘘 Eddward : 数据会说话但教练还是会放不知道在雷什麽的卡秃... 10/09 10:42
139F:推 yueyi313 : 想像一下,格林变JR,防守被爆,进攻更.... 10/09 11:06
140F:→ wakayama : 辅助没人权 10/09 11:51
141F:推 selamour : 他的防守跟跑位真的厉害 10/09 13:25
142F:推 akirachen100: 欸拜托湖人教练看到这篇文 我火很需要减轻防守压力 10/09 13:35
143F:嘘 pippen2002 : D.G:怒拿21分7投7中! 10/09 14:19
144F:推 s8900117 : 默默的carry 10/09 14:33
145F:推 bubblewn : 是 但大空档也要进阿..... 10/09 15:33
146F:→ Danteva : 跟传说的辅助一样,做一堆事应该的,做不好都你背 10/09 16:45
147F:→ Danteva : 锅 10/09 16:45
148F:推 suckme : 推 10/10 02:57
149F:推 mmivmsn : 我看空档是因为懒得守他吧 10/10 08:20
150F:→ iamaq18c : 今天又一次大空档不进掘砂湖人 10/10 12:21
151F:推 BlauWal39 : 真滂v响比赛 10/10 12:39
152F:嘘 boss6833 : 讲的狗屁不通,哪个先发上场那麽久表现不好,队伍会 10/11 09:05
153F:→ boss6833 : 好的 10/11 09:05







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