作者K0BEJ0RDAN (科比乔丹)
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标题[外电] Too early to compare Suns' Nash to S …
时间Sat Jun 3 11:04:09 2006
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作者: K0BEJ0RDAN (科比乔丹) 看板: UTAH-JAZZ
标题: [外电] Too early to compare Suns' Nash to Stockton
时间: Sat Jun 3 10:48:02 2006
原文网址:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635212347,00.html
Compared to the praise being heaped on Steve Nash during this year's
playoffs, the memory of John Stockton seems downright quaint.Remember when
announcers were speaking in similar tones about Stockton? Maybe not. Athletes
, like pop stars, come and go. That's not to say Stockton was merely a flavor
of the month. But after watching Shawn Kemp outplay Karl Malone one night in
the 1990s, a Seattle area writer said to me: "Looks like we may be witnessing
the passing of the torch."
与这季的playoffs中赞赏声不断的Steve Nash相比,John Stockton带给我们的回忆
似乎显得更为离奇。
还记得当时的发布者用相同的口吻来形容Nash与Stockton吗?但事实或许并非如此,
运动员就像电视上看到的明星一样,有的只是红极一时,来的快去的也快。不过我们
应该也不会说Stockton就是那些只出一张专辑的一片歌手吧。但在90年代的一场比赛
中我看到Shawn Kemp击败了Karl Malone,而在赛後西亚图当地的一位作者对我这麽
说:"或许我们将见证一位闪亮巨星发光的过程"。
For a year or two it almost seemed possible.
Now, of course, it only looks silly. Kemp ended up impersonating a
blowfish while Malone became the second-leading scorer of all time. That's
how it goes. We tend to get bogged down in the here and now. To a starving
man, the best meal he's ever tasted is the most recent.
Which raises the question: Who is/was the better point guard, Nash or
Stockton? I can answer that . . . in about a decade.
在那一两年看来似乎的确是如此。但对於现在的我们来说,那说法却是愚蠢至极。
因为当Malone成为了NBA史上得分第二高的球员时,Kemp却让我们觉得他只是个披
着人皮的河豚。世事就是如此,人们总是会为了现阶段的某些事情而堕落下去。
对於一个有野心,积极进取的球员来说,把握当下就是最好的享受。
这也让我们连想到一个问题:到底Nash和Stockton谁才是比较优秀的控球後卫呢?
现在我还不能回答你们,但十年後或许我能给你个答案。
As the Phoenix Suns continue their quest for a championship, it is
obvious that Nash is a phenomenal player. (By the way, who styles his hair,
Tom Petty?) It's hard to watch him and not summon the well-worn description
of "Best Point Guard Ever, Not Named Magic," or "The Best Pure Point Guard."
That's what they used to say about Stockton.
Right now, though, it's hard to argue against Nash. He is averaging 20
points and 10 assists in the playoffs and is making the Dallas Mavericks wish
he would just leave basketball and join a grunge band.
以目前太阳队能够迈向NBA总冠军来说,Nash的确是个很杰出的球员。(对了,是谁设计
他的发型的?是Tom Petty吗?)。很难看着Nash打球却不连想到那些所谓的称号----
"最佳控卫不再是Magic Johnson了"或是"最佳纯种控卫不再是John Stockton了"。
以目前的情形来说,你很难去否决掉Nash,因为他在playoffs中的平均得分是20,而助
攻也达到10,并且他也使得小牛队很希望Nash能够去组个地下乐团而别来打篮球。
Nash has won two MVP's, while Stockton didn't win any. His career
3-point percentage and free throw percentages are ahead of Stockton's, and
their career scoring averages are nearly identical.
Still, Stockton remains the all-time NBA assists and steals leader. His
field goal accuracy is nearly four percentage points better than Nash's.
While Stockton was a consummate "pass-first" player, Nash is a scoring
point guard. Stockton considered it his duty to get the ball to Malone in
scoring position; Nash often looks to shoot first.
与Stockton相比起来,Nash拿了两次的MVP,但Stockton一次也没有。Nash的3分命中
率与罚球命率也都比Stockton要来的高,而他们两位的生涯平均得分也很相近。
然而,Stockton仍是NBA史上的助攻王及抄截王,并且他的投篮命中率也比Nash高了
有4%之多。而当Stockton被视为是一个以传球为优先的球员时,Nash则是被视为一
个擅於得分的控卫。Stockton总是认为的他的首要任务就是要将球传给Malone来得分,
而Nash则是常常以自已有没有机会投篮为优先。
Both are superb passers and masters at making teammates better.
Yet the temptation is to rush to judgment, especially while Nash is
front and center. But even in Stockton's glory days there were challengers.
Mark Price was the Cleveland guard who for a few years was a considerable
worry for Stockton's. But he never came close to Stockton's career.
Gary Payton was more than enough trouble for Stockton for several
seasons. He had determination, attitude and talent. He may even end up in the
Hall of Fame. But he'll never be considered a better guard than Stockton.
他们两位都是非常会传球的好手,而且也是个能使球队打的更好的球员。
尤於Nash是现阶段NBA中控卫打的最突出的球员,所以最让人期待的还是这个话题的
结论:到底他们两谁才是更好的控卫?
不过就算是Stockton在那最辉煌的时刻,仍是有许多的竞争对手。骑士队的後卫Mark
Price就给Stockton带来了些许的困扰,但Price的成就仍与Stockton相差甚远。
相较之下,Gary Payton所带给Stockton的麻烦就大多了。Payton有坚强的意志,
积极的态度及过人的天赋,他甚至也很有可能成为名人堂的一员。但Payton却也从来
没有被视为一个比Stockton更好的後卫。
In the late '80s and early '90s, Phoenix's Kevin Johnson occasionally
ate Stockton for lunch. But not over the long run. Golden State guard Tim
Hardaway's crossover dribble thwarted Stockton at times, but not for long.
Later came Nash, New Jersey's Jason Kidd and Sacramento's Mike Bibby.
Great guards, one and all.
在80年代後期和90年代初期,太阳队的Kevin Johnson也偶尔曾把Stockton吃假的,
但时间也不长。当时勇士队的後卫Tim Hardaway的crossover也常常过了Stockton,
但时间也同样不长。之後就是Nash,篮网的Jason Kidd和国王队的Mike Bibby。
几乎攘括了所有伟大的後卫。
But over a 19-year career, Stockton accomplished more than any of them.
He was a 10-time All-Star (Nash has four All-Star appearances), ranks second
all-time in games played and has the fourth-best field goal percentage of any
guard in history (behind Lewis Lloyd, Maurice Cheeks and Magic Johnson).
He helped his team to the playoffs in each of his 19 seasons.
但在Stockton职业生涯的19年之间,他的成就比任何以上的球员都还要伟大。
他10次入选明星赛(Nash则有4次),打的球赛场数排名NBA史上第二,而他的投篮命中率
也是NBA史上第四高(仅输给Lewis Lloyd,Maurice Cheeks,和Magic Johnson)。
在他职业生涯的19年之间,Stockton每年都帮助爵士队打进季後赛。
Nash is the best point guard in the game today. He has been in the
league 10 years. If he keeps up his pace, he will surely be a Hall of Fame
selection. Most important, if he leads the Suns to an NBA title he'll be one
up on Stockton in that department.
But to say he's a better guard than Stockton right now requires a
longer perspective.
Another nine years, in fact.
Let's put it to a vote in 2015.
Nash无疑是当前最好的控球後卫,他在NBA也有十年之久了,而如果Nash能够继续维持下
去,那麽进入名人堂也是迟早的事。最重要的是假如Nash能够带领太阳拿下NBA总冠军,
那麽他在这点上面和Stockton相较之下会占得比较多的优势。
但是要说他是个比Stockton还要好的後卫还太早了点,我们必须长期观察下来才能得到
结论。或许再9年後,让我们在2015年时再下这个结论吧~
翻不好的地方还请见谅
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1F:推 CarlosBoozer:翻得真好 @@ 06/03 10:52
2F:推 ppr:翻得好。 google了一下Tom Petty的照片还蛮好笑的 XD 06/03 10:54
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4F:推 kaido:推好文 另外推"几乎攘括了所有伟大的後卫" 这句真屌.. 06/03 11:06
5F:推 loveway:个人觉得Stockton带给我篮球的感动远胜於Nash 06/03 11:08
6F:推 ccl007:要考虑到他跟哪位球员身在同一时代呀 唉! 06/03 11:10
7F:推 po1008:是好文 06/03 11:11
8F:推 Lothario:披着人皮的河豚.... 06/03 11:13
9F:推 rahim1211:要NASH再打9年...也太残忍了... 06/03 11:14
10F:推 sam369:奈许要跟老史比 先超越裴顿KIDDKJ这三个人吧 06/03 11:16
11F:推 BlueKidds:Nash的MVP价值应该已经超越那三人了 06/03 11:17
12F:→ newest:可惜的是年资还不够@@ 06/03 11:18
13F:推 s855453:投篮命中率是後卫中第四高喔 06/03 11:19
14F:推 sam369:老史>裴顿>KJ>KIDD>奈许>BIBBY>TIM HARDWAY>SM 06/03 11:21
15F:→ sam369:史塔克顿带领爵士闯入二次总冠军战 西区冠军战也打好多次 06/03 11:22
16F:→ sam369:裴顿带领超音速打入一次总冠军战 西区冠军战也有打过 06/03 11:23
17F:推 kaido:我不认为bibby在Tim之上 坦白说 还差很多 06/03 11:23
18F:→ sam369:KJ跟老八那一年也打入过一次总冠军战 西区冠军战几次不清楚 06/03 11:23
19F:→ sam369:KIDD总冠军战也打过二次一次被马刺干掉一次被湖人干掉 06/03 11:24
20F:推 DAING:Tim > Bibby 06/03 11:25
21F:→ sam369:SM似乎....点点点最好的成绩好像只有打过季後赛第一轮OR 2 06/03 11:25
22F:→ sam369:Tim > Bibby没意见.只是BIBBY往後还可以打几年身体保养不错 06/03 11:26
23F:→ sam369:奈许总冠军战次数0 得到冠军次数0 季後赛MVP0 当然有机会 06/03 11:26
24F:→ sam369:在今年带领太阳打入总冠军战甚至拿下MVP季後赛 还有冠军. 06/03 11:27
25F:→ sam369:TIM很可惜前期是TMC跑轰战术在西区 後期跟莫宁在东区 06/03 11:28
26F:→ sam369:TIM在二个时期没打入总冠军战 後期总是跟尼克厮杀互有胜负 06/03 11:29
27F:→ sam369:mark.price没拿过冠军也没打过冠军战好像都呆在骑士比较多 06/03 11:30
28F:推 Gmo:你们把MArk Jackson放那了..史上助攻地二名也. 06/03 12:19
29F:推 madgame:Nash长得真的有像 Tom Petty XD 06/03 12:24
31F:→ GAIEGAIE:我戴假发 把脸呜住 也很像阿0.0 有没有别张阿 06/03 12:51
32F:推 husky2:披着人皮的河豚 XDD 06/03 13:03
34F:→ madgame:要找年轻照,Petty老了秃了就不像了 :( 06/03 13:04
35F:→ sam369:老马克一次冠军战 没拿过冠军 也没有MVP加持 组织好 防守差 06/03 13:07
36F:推 Scion:Nash的防守跟老史比还差得远,应该是没可能超越 06/03 13:58
37F:推 ayabrea:纯推 他也使得小牛队很希望Nash能够去组个地下乐团 囧 06/03 14:45
38F:推 nervouschang:虽然Nash不错 但要赢老史真的很难 06/03 16:04
39F:→ nervouschang:还有Mark Jackson其实很厉害 被忽略了 06/03 16:05
40F:推 GIOtsunami:ESPN前阵子有篇关於史上最佳控卫的排名 06/03 22:23
42F:推 GIOtsunami:dailydime-GreatestPointGuards 06/03 22:28
43F:推 sam369:推 06/03 23:39
44F:推 gepenny:坦白讲 bibby跟Kidd和Nash摆在一起都不恰当了吧 06/03 23:48
45F:→ gepenny:他是个好球员 但以控卫来说跟他两比还差太多了@@ 06/03 23:48
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