※ 引述《leom1a210343 (小黄)》之铭言： : 基本上乌克兰本土没有北约战车保修能力 : 坏掉的北约坦克只能拉到大後方 : 不管是豹 挑战者 M1 都需要北约盟国帮助 : 豹式北约欧洲国家都有用 保修比较近 : 有人说M1有保修问题 但是M1在欧洲已经40年 : 美军在欧洲驻军也不少 後勤搬到波兰境内也可 : 且连挑战者二都要给乌军了 没理由M1不行啊 : 油 板车 战车回收车 相关配套美国一定能做到 : 是真的M1不适合 还是M1坦克这名词太敏感呢 : PS: 如果我是俄军 : 宁愿美国给乌军50台M1 : 也不要面对5台海马斯 : ----- : Sent from JPTT on my iPhone 英国给挑战者政治意义远大於实质意义， 毕竟只有14辆，构不成战力只能丢着不动... 唯一价值就是可以放在低威胁区域，例如白俄边界， 并且把该区域的俄系坦克抽调出来送到前线。 如果把挑战二丢到战场，不出一星期就失去战力了。 你自己都是装甲兵出身，应该知道维持装甲部队运作要花费多大资源， 板车、装甲救济车自己也需要後勤维修， 进一步恶化後勤压力。 送到波兰维修更不可能，光是聂伯罗洲就距离波兰边境1000公里了。 https://i.imgur.com/wDOrv3T.jpg 所以西方援助的装甲车辆几乎都是一次性消耗品， 大多是操到坏掉直接报废... 毕竟俄系装备妥善率也没多高， 前几天才有BMP-2用推发引擎的影片。 https://fb.watch/i9Nc1DL_Yv/ 西方装甲车辆妥善率更不用说，坏一台少一台。 澳洲援助的Bushmaster装甲车应该是消耗差不多 M113数量援助庞大，构造简单，教一下乌克兰人自己应该会维修， 但是维修零件提供还是大麻烦，妥善率应该会持续下滑。 甚至美国乾脆不给M113，改给史崔克了... 这样搞似乎恶化乌克兰後勤压力(之前是给M113，现在换成史崔克) 但是反过来意思就是.... 『你也别修了！直接操到烂吧！！！』 美国援助的史崔克应该早期版本， 现在美军已经在使用第二代(DHV)、第三代(DHV A1)史崔克。 第一代史崔克已经被美军汰除存封，有一部分低价出售给泰国， 给乌克兰消耗不痛不痒。 布雷德利战斗步兵车也是， 援助的是早期M2A2版本，现在美军已经在用M2A3。 2017年美国还拿M2A2军援黎巴嫩不收钱。 同样给乌克兰直接操到烂掉不心疼... 但是坦克就不一样，坦克维修频率极高， 例如这篇文章开头就有提到： https://qr.ae/prFpUh M1A1操作1小时，就需要2小时进行维护保养。 (原文是8个工时，但是由4个人分摊大概要花上2小时， 如果换成自动填装改为三人的话....) 而且就算是美军，零件供应链出状况和缺料还是很常见.. 重点是他提到， 在没有维修零件的情况下，M1A1只能维持数天的运作， 运气好可以撑到一、两星期，然後开始各种故障... 这边附上原文 This is my number one complaint when I see movies that are using military aircraft, tanks or complicated equipment in a ‘post-apocalyptic’ environment. Where are they getting their parts?? The general rule is that for one hour of operations an M1A1 will need 8 hours of maintenance. This is ‘man-hours’, so a crew of four will need to conduct 2:1 maintenance to operation. Much of this maintenance is preventative in nature; checking and changing oils and fluids, track-tension and adjustment, verifying optics are still functioning properly, etc. A lot of preventative maintenance is actually checking for parts that are wearing out or failing, but haven’t caused a system to fail yet; and then replacing them. So without any parts, most tanks could probably operate for a few days, assuming you had the necessary oils and fuels to keep the tank running. Maybe a week or two if you are lucky. At some point systems will start to fail. The Abrams have back-up mechanical fire control systems, and the tank can continue to run with certain failed systems, but sooner or later, you are gonna need to pull off the duct tape and throw in a new part. But tanks carry lots of spare parts on board, and higher echelon maintenance units will carry larger and more expensive parts. The US Marine Corps and other branches have extremely complex logistic supply chains that stretch all around the world and move parts continuously from factories, stores, and supply hubs to military units that are training and deployed to combat zones (with preference going to units that are deployed to combat areas… obviously). These systems were recently digitized, but even so it is fairly normal to have supply chain failures and be “short parts” even when they are working well. The M1A1 is a massively complex piece of machinery. If you ever poke your head down the turret and look inside as the turret turns, you can see all the incredibly complex spider webs of hydraulics, electronics, optics, and weaponry that it hosts. All of these things have parts that can fail for all sorts of reasons. The last thing to mention is that if your crew is mechanically inclined and there are other non-functioning tanks in the area, most parts can be harvested from another tanks to make your tank work. This is not a good practice, though, as it means you do not have an effective and sustainable logistics supply chain. --

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