作者wake01 (醒来)
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标题Re: General Jungle Guide by TheOddOne
时间Fri Aug 12 11:25:04 2011
http://www.solomid.net/blog.php?v=10753
Interview with TSM's Jungler, TheOddOne
So, many people are asking...why don't you stream?
Q:
为什麽你不开直播?
One day I probably should but currently I play LoL on a laptop and it's FPS
gets destroyed by intensive stuff like that and my upload here in western
canada are fairly garbage since the internet plans suck and I'm on a shared
connection with 2-3 computers.
A:
或许有一天我会,但是目前我是用笔电在玩,禁不起直播的需求
西加拿大的网路太垃圾,而且我是和两三台电脑共享频宽的
That said, I don't get the interest you guys have in me streaming, I figure
it'd be like Dyrus playing but less funny, more jungling and tons of swearing
each time I screw up (often comboed with a table slam) as I take my mistakes
the hardest.
同时,我直播起来也不好玩,我就像Dyrus那样玩但是比较不funny
我犯错的时候也会嘴炮和敲桌子
Who do you think are the most viable and strongest junglers in competitive
play?
Q:
你觉得在比赛时最好用最强的jungler是谁?
Top three: Fiddlesticks, Gangplank,Udyr
Others I'll use if the above three banned: Nocturne,Amumu,Nunu, Jarvan IV,Lee
Sin
If for some reason they focus bans on everyone's junglers: Trundle,Olaf
A:
三天王: 稻草人 海盗 Udyr
如果上面被ban: Noc, Amumu, Nunu, J4, LeeSin
如果其他人都被ban: Trundle(注:不是说我很强?QQ), Olaf(注:上次不是说目前废物?)
What are the strengths of each of these junglers? In what circumstances does
each jungler shine?
Q:
你觉得这些jungler强在哪里?在哪些情况强?
The top three are there for their sheer amount of utility and damage. Fiddle
has a ton of damage and CC while still be relevant even if his farm is down
as all he really needs is levels. Gangplank is on the same boat, he can
literally just be a stat+ bot and spam his E in fights while casting ultimate
while tanking and be more useful than most junglers and thats not factoring
in his Q and passive slow. Udyr is a machine tankwise and damage wise while
having fantastic ganking power.
A:
三天王是因为他们在通用和伤害的绝对强势
稻草有一卡车伤害和控场,即使他没农到也超强,他就只需要等级而已
海盗也差不多,他完全可以就当个辅助机,开战时按E和R,还比其他jungler坦,很有用
我还没提到他的Q和被动缓呢
Udyr可坦可输出,还有梦幻的gank power
I fully expect Nocturne to be in every single game at germany IEM as he's
likely not ban worthy but is simply a terrific all rounder and his diving
ability is extremely useful in the current game as if say the enemy takes
amumu and goes in, that'll leave the enemy AD open for a dive while the rest
of his team attempts to make use of the ultimate amumu has done. That and
Nocturne is extremely strong at all stages of the game, even super late as
like most melee carries, it's hard to 1v1 him at all without being super fed.
And to avoid a wall of text, I'm not explaining anything else :P
我预期在德国IEM每场都看到Noc,因为他不值得ban但是就是很可怕而且万能
在目前情况下他的塔杀能力非常有用
因为如果说对方Amumu进场R,对方的AD就会曝露出来,因为他们会想趁AmumuR的时候总攻
Noc在每段游戏时期都非常强,即使在超後期也是,就算他没有超级肥也很难跟他1v1
然後为了不太占版面,其他人以下略
What do you think defines a good jungler? ie. What separates an amazing
jungler from a decent one?
Q:
你怎麽定义一个好的jungler? 举例来说,一个惊人的jungler跟一个不错jungler的差别?
Awareness and adaptability, I've had games where I was 0-3 yet I was still a
level ahead of the opposing jungler as he didn't know how to adapt after his
team pulled a level 1 gank off so his jungling speed was completely horrible.
Also being in the right area ahead of time is part of awareness, being stuck
bottom when a good gank could've happened at that time top is often what
happens to decent junglers. Whenever I'm walking from fountain, I either
check the lanes and how the waves are going and if I see no ganks, I'll tell
the lane I'm intending to gank to let the lane push back so I can perform
one. Combining all this (and as stated in my jungle guide) by balancing
ganking with farming to maximize hurting the enemy while helping yourself as
not balancing these 2 aspects will not be more helpful.
A:
地图意识还有适应性,我有经验被0-3了但是我还是比对方jungler高一级
因为他不知道在被lv1 gank後要如何适应,所以速度完全慢下来
而至於地图意识,则是要事先就到应该到的地方
举例来说一个不错jungler可能就常碰到的情况:
当上路很有机会gank到的时候你被卡在下路而且没法成功地gank下路
当我离开水池的时候会检查每路的情况,看兵推和gank机会
如果发现目前没有,也会先告诉哪一路我想过去,叫他们先让兵推来制造gank机会
把gank和农完美结合,最大化伤害敌人+肥自己,在这两方面做到最好地平衡
Why don't you play amumu often in competitive play?
Q:
你怎麽不常在比赛玩Amumu?
His weakness early game is a huge decision why I hate him, as I don't get how
people EVER get caught by him as when I stuck on a carry in solo queue, that
shit never reaches me whether it's early game laning or late game teamfights,
you'd have to be completely oblivious to get caught in it with your tanks
(like why are you beside your front lines again?) as it's extremely easy to
just bait an amumu and dodge his futile attempts to engage. The only way to
really reliable get caught by him is if your flash is down and he uses his
own flash as getting hit with his Q is like getting hit with morgana's bind,
it's only unavoidable if the terrain is limited or you're cced. On the topic
of his early game weakness, he relies completely on his team to do everything
for you and often I don't think they understand that Amumu won't be beating a
nunu or nocturne in ganks.
A:
我讨厌他,因为他在早期很弱
我在solo queue玩carry的时期就从来不了为啥会有人被他抓,不管早中晚期撑线团战
要躲它的Q实在太简单,团战只要你缩在tank後面也可以很简单地不会被Q
唯一机会就只有当你没flash的时候,就跟魔乾娜的Q一样
以及在无法闪躲的狭窄地形,或是当你被控场的时候
除了最重要的,他前期很弱以外,他也完全必须依赖队友做到所有的事情
而且我不认为队友们可以理解,Amumu在gank比nunu或noc差多了
What many jungle players don't know is how to react when you've been counter
jungled and how to respond to that situation before you get too far behind.
Could you give us some thoughts on that subject?
Q:
大部分人都不知道被人家偷江的时候该怎麽处理,而不至於落後太多
你可以给大家一些建议吗?
Try to secure your small camps as soon as possible, while it's bad to have
lost your small camps, often the worst thing to do is attempt to do the enemy
camps AFTER you've seen yours are gone as likely the stronger enemy jungler
will be at his camps finally and likely kill you. Often you'll have to just
do stuff like killing small lizards and such while waiting for the camps to
respawn (though dont try to actually fight the big lizard) but it is vital
that you're around your small camps when they do spawn or else the enemy
jungler might take them. Often when you get counter jungled, you'll have time
to kill small lizards then run back to wolves and hopefull be back for wraith
and double golem camps.
A:
试着尽快保全你的小野怪点,因为失去它们是很糟糕的
不要在看到自己被偷了
以後才想去反偷别人的
因为如果敌人jungler比较强,他很可能就在那里,而且顺便把你一块清了
通常你要做的就像是杀小蜥蜴,然後等小点重生(不要试着去打大蜥蜴)
重要的是当小点重生的时候你必须在附近,不然又会被别人偷掉
通常当你被偷江,你还是有时间可以打小蜥蜴然後去打狼,然後希望回来有四鬼然後双石
Who do you think is the best player that fills the jungle role?
Q:
你认为最适合jungler的玩家是?
Personally I think this question is a little biased but I think either me or
Wetdream. While Fnatic and AAA(Millenium) did place higher, most of the
jungling at dreamhack was standard and never really could outshine the
carries throughout the tournament so I have no idea if that is really how
they play. And I'm not sure how people kept getting caught by Jarvan ganks,
especially at level 2 considering wtf else is Jarvan gonna do at level 2, of
course you're getting ganked early!
A:
个人认为这问题有些偏了,但是我认为是我或是梦遗
虽然Fnatic和AAA(Millenium)比较高层
在dreamhack大部分的比赛中,jungler都很标准而无法真的表现地比carry好
我也就无法了解他们是不是真的就只能玩成那样
而且我不了为啥有人会被J4 gank到,特别是J4在lv2根本没有wtf其他事去做
当然你就会被他杠了
Someone on the forums asked "Have you ever wondered why you sound so
different in your guides than in live streams/videos like the interview at
dreamhack?" Also, can you input your thoughts on how fans view famous League
of Legends players?
Q:
有些人在论坛问:
你在你的攻略的声音怎麽跟你在dreamhack访谈时以及直播时做的不一样?
然後你觉得粉丝是怎麽看有名的LoL玩家?
Maybe I'm just lazy or something and don't speak as loud while I'm at home or
my computer keeps messing my mic up as I've tried at least a couple and I
still sound deep. As for the other question, I'm not sure, I think it's
fairly awesome if they want to be fans of whoever and flame the enemy as
nothing is more fun in LoL downtime then fanboys creating drama.
A:
或许我只是懒,或是不想说太大声,或是我在家电脑问题,麦克风之类的
反正我的声音听起来就是比较低
至於其他问题,我不确定,我想那是蛮awsome的,如果他们想成为谁的粉丝
然後把敌人烧了,反正也没有什麽事比在维修的时候制造抓马更好玩了
While somewhat related to the question, if you manage to beat a few strong
teams in a go4lol and start dick sucking the next round since you're facing a
team you're a fan of, grow a little pride and start playing to beat them. If
you've managed to beat other strong teams and manage to face say CLG in a
semis or finals, it's likely that you deserve to be there and you've earned
your way to that spot so there should be no reason you or your team shouldn't
be trying the hardest to win. This is been my philosophy in every competitive
game I've played, I don't give a shit if I'm facing some famous player or my
idol, if I've been given the chance to play them, you're damn right I'm gonna
be trying to beat them.
(注:这边有点乱,就浓缩了)
我的哲学就是比赛时全力以赴,所以如果我有机会比到有名的玩家甚至我的偶像
我就会尽全力试着打败他们
Who are your favorite and least favorite high elo players to have on your
solo-queue team?
Q:
你在solo-queue队伍中最喜欢和最不喜欢的高elo玩家是?
Favorite would be bigfatlp on any strong champion and Hotshotgg on his main
account as I know not only are those two trying their best to win, it's
actually possible for them to be a huge factor.
A:
最喜欢的是选了任何强英雄的大肥lp,还有本尊的热射gg
因为我知道他们都会全力以赴,而且也确实很有可能他们是巨大的(致胜?)因素
As for who I hate: Therainman and king of kimchi. I don't get how these guys
have enough brain function to even breathe let alone play solo queue, if
there's something as basic as calling your goddamn lane when he enters our
own jungle, they'll miss it. A fight going on about a screen away between
your jungler and the enemy laner of the LANE THEY'RE FACING, they'll miss it
while continuing to farm while being amazed that the enemy laner managed to
kill both golem and lizard in the 20 seconds he walked to the right of the
lane.
而我最恨的是Therainman和king of kimchi
我不了为啥他们有足够的脑功能能玩上来
就像goddamn基本的我通知他们说有人跑来我们jungle了,他们也会没听到
即使那个侵入者
刚好是他们的对线者,即使只在一萤幕外发生战斗
即使侵入者花了20秒杀光石头和蜥蜴然後回到线上,他们还是会继续自己农
What are your opinions on Dominion?
Q:
你对Dominion的看法?
I'm not sure yet, it truly depends on if the game mode is fun and if it'll
actually get true support and not the ghetto support Twisted Treeline
received. I haven't actually tried it yet but I assume it's similar to
domination (or onslaught even) of Unreal Tournament but nobody played it as a
few of the levels were completely no fun in single player as it involved you
walking from the ends of the map to control a couple positions except your
3-4 allied AI teamates had trouble not staring at walls so they kept losing
the one you had just taken so nobody actually wanted to play it online.
A:
我不确定,这要看游戏模式多好玩,有没有真的得到支援而不是像3v3地图那样没人鸟
我还没真的试过,但是我认为他会像是Unreal Tournament的domination或onslaught
但是没人玩过因为有几关在单人根本完全不好玩
因为他要你走到地图尾巴控制一堆点,然後3~4个AI队友只会看墙壁,所以就一直输
所以也就没人真的想到线上玩
That said, I hope it gets true support and actually becomes a serious thing
rather than a side mode like ARAM as it'd be a great change of pace and could
really changeup the genre.
总之我希望它有真的被支援而且确实成为一个正式的玩意儿不是像ARAM模式
因为它会真的是个步调和时代的改变
In what ways do you think your jungling can improve?
Q:
你觉得你的jungling还有什麽地方可以改进?
I think I should probably play more aggressive early game as it's highly
unlikely I'll get the farm mid-late game to be a bigger threat than carries
as in competitive play, the jungler is stuck with the scraps while the 3
carries hog the real farm.
A:
我认为我应该在早期玩得更加有侵略性
因为在比赛我多半很难在中晚期农的比carry好然後更大的威胁
当有3 carry农的正爽的时候,jungler只能去捡破烂
What advice do you have for upcoming teams who want to enter the competitive
league of legends scene?
Q:
你对於想要迈入比赛的团队有什麽建议?
Play in as many tournaments as you can. I cannot stress this enough, I didn't
somehow luck out into getting a chance to play for TSM (or haters
previously), what I had over every other solo queue pubstar was the mass
amount of tournament experience. Think of tournament games as a resume, while
solo queue rating is nice to have, constantly performing in tournaments will
help you (skillwise) get far better in solo queue and maybe even have your
team place well enough for prizes. I'm sure theres plenty of tournaments in
the competitive forum to enter but right now I'd say entering each weekly
Go4LoL is a must, I didn't have this chance in dota since the america
tournament scene didn't really have a sponsored organisation hosting weekly
tournaments so you had to enter the long CAL and HTGN tournaments which
weren't often and took a while to complete. Go4LoLs are a chance to meet even
the tier 1 teams as you could luck out to play them in the early rounds, but
ever since Riot contracted ESL to perform weekly tournaments for NA, I'm
confident to say that the general team skill level has improved immensely to
nearly catching up on the months of lead that europe had.
A:
尽可能多参加比赛,我无法再更加强调这点
当我发现其他solo queue玩家都有大量比赛经验时,我对无法参与TSM感到遗憾
你可以把比赛当作履历,虽然solo高分不错,但是一直比赛会对你更有力
不仅会在solo game玩更好,也更有可能为你的队伍拿到奖励
我相信目前在比赛论坛有很多机会,然後参加每周的Go4LoL是必须的
我在dota时没这个机会,因为那时没有每周的赞助商,所以你必须打不常举办的长期赛
打Go4LoLs你甚至可以碰上T1的队伍,运气不好还有可能在早期就碰到
但是在Riot签了ESL为NA举办每周比赛後,我确定很多队伍都有对抗EU月赛的实力
How would you describe each of your teammates?
Q:
你如何形容队友?
A:
Regi: Mob boss 黑道老大
Chaox: Drug runner 运"货"的
Xpecial: Thug 暴徒
TheRainMan: The type of guy we'd be extorting 会勒索人的
Do you plan on playing some games with your fans in the future?
Q:
你有计画在未来跟粉丝玩几场吗?
Me personally, I don't think so. I've tried to play with my old dota friends
but the matchmaker in this game kills any fun we'd have trying out 5
swordsman and what not and we get CRUSHED. Honestly the matchmaker has ruined
any chance for me to coach lesser skilled players or play with fans as unless
they're actually able to get to say 1000 rating in ranked (as in maintain
it), they'll probably be decimated. And I'm not sure of the actual numbers
but I'm sure that is basically only the top 15% of LoL players, you'd be
absolutely surprised at how bad people can be in this game.
A:
目前没有计画,我试着和以前dota朋友玩,但是配对系统把乐趣全杀了
我们想当五剑客,但是根本当不成还被
辗过
目前的配对系统不容许我当菜鸟教练,或是跟粉丝玩
除非他们确实可以自己打到并且维持1000分rank,不然他们就会被打爆
据我所知那应该差不多是只有15%的玩家,你会惊讶於在这游戏他可以表现地多差
Will you be updating your jungle guides soon according to more recent patch
updates?
Q:
未来改版时你也会改版你的攻略吗?
Honestly, if there is enough interest I could update em as well as post new
videos for em but I figure posting guides for champions I haven't done yet
will get more views so I might just be doing that in the near future
(Udyr/Fiddle/GP).
A:
如果有引发兴趣那麽我会用像是拍新片的方式更新
但是我发现贴未完成的英雄攻略会有更多人气,所以我最近将会这麽做(三天王)
What do you like to eat in a prolonged gaming session?
Q:
你在长期比赛喜欢吃啥?
Those cheap noodle bowls that you fill with boiling water and apples and
Bananas. I like oranges more but those are such a bitch to eat when you're
busy.
A:
便宜的泡面,苹果和香蕉
我比较喜欢橘子但是当你在忙的时候他们实在bitch的难吃
What else do you play outside of League of Legends?
Q:
你玩LoL以外还玩啥?
Before PC gaming completely took over, I used to play a ton of genesis (Road
Rash/Toejam and Earl/Skitchin/Mutant League Hockey being my favorites), I
played a ton of Starcraft after that, a ton of warcraft 3 and Phantasy Star
Online (GC) until LoL. Now I mostly just play LoL and stuff I buy on Steam
like ME1,ME2,GTA4,Borderlands,Terraria,Recetear,L4D2 and Plants vs Zombies.
A:
(注:自己看)
Questions from Teammates!:
队友问题时间!
Reginald: Why are you so good at imitating a raptor?
为什麽你可以扮raptor这麽像?
Fuck you.
Chaox: Why do you rage so much in solo queue? Is Udyr referring to you when
he says "Our rage is beyond your control"?
你在solo queue为什麽这麽rage?
是不是因为你玩Udyr然後Our rage is beyond your control?
It's just who I am I guess, I don't play as much solo queue as some people
(aka over 1000 solo queue ranked) so trolling me is worth more than trolling
someone who has 2k solo queue ranked games as I have less time than that
person to be screwing around with trolls. Oh and Fuck you.
我只是做我自己,我不像一些人玩这麽多solo queue(像是超过1000分的)
所以troll我会比troll 2K人还值,因为我跟troll相处的时间比较少
欧然後Fuck you
TheRainMan: Are you related to Free Willie?
你跟威鲸闯天关有关系吗?
Fuck you.
Xpecial: Why "the odd one", are you really that odd?
为什麽是The Odd One? 因为你真的很Odd吗?
Personally I think so whether it's due to my behaviour or mannerism I'm sure
there's some psychological... Ah screw it, Fuck You.
我个人认为如此,所以不管那是因为我的行为或是怪癖
我确定有些心理学的玩意...h screw it, Fuck You.
Would You Rather:
(Rules were only 5 seconds to choose answer & thanks to PGB for the idea)
五秒内二选一
Shurelia or Rinoa: err Rinoa
have a big butt or a big head: big head because I already have one
nice ugly girl or mean pretty girl: -long pause- hurry up nice ugly girl
nintendo 64 or playstation 1: nintendo 64
officer jenny or nurse joy: jenny..joy's a bitch anyway
make out with a fat guy ..oh god I don't even want to know the other one.. or
lick his armpit: What the f#ck..neither. You have to answer Li..lick the
guy's armpit? Okay I guess that would be better than the other one
call Regi daddy or nibble on his ears: call Regi daddy, I do it anyway
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1F:推 a2364983 :头推 Odd超棒的 08/12 11:29
2F:推 firegsh :虽然偷表雨人不过他DH时的J4可是120%的J4 08/12 11:31
3F:→ firegsh :酱狗跟上路农立场会对立不意外XD 08/12 11:32
4F:→ frankie30432:最恨泡菜王XDDDD 08/12 11:32
5F:推 eistain :超好笑XDDDDDD 08/12 11:34
6F:→ eistain :我觉得xpecial的问题真赞XDD 08/12 11:34
7F:推 fearimba :最喜欢热射最恨泡菜王XD 08/12 11:35
8F:推 thedeathhero:Noc超後期很难跟他1v1吗?... 08/12 11:35
9F:推 a2364983 :这篇好表XDD 他表很多人 也很多人表他XD 08/12 11:36
10F:推 firegsh :其实1v1真的不好打赢 但是多数人在早期就玩到劣势 08/12 11:38
11F:→ wzmildf :最後面XDDD 08/12 11:40
12F:→ wzmildf :noc 1v1又档技能又恐惧的 还能回血很讨厌... 08/12 11:40
13F:→ a2364983 :我喜欢选强力英雄的jiji和用主力的HS 暗指jiji > HS? 08/12 11:40
14F:→ wzmildf :而且passive也扫颇痛 08/12 11:40
15F:→ firegsh :其实严格来说 是 但是角色不是这样比的 08/12 11:42
16F:→ frankie30432:HS不用MIAN本来就比较弱 08/12 11:42
17F:推 ernieyang09 :king of kimchi!!! 08/12 11:42
18F:推 j02850 :他说本尊HS是因为泡菜王超troll HS玩本尊还蛮认真的 08/12 11:42
19F:→ frankie30432:拼错字了.. 08/12 11:42
20F:→ firegsh :HS玩输出没有那麽痛 但是烦人的程度jiji比不上 08/12 11:42
21F:→ firegsh :像nid cho swain 上路的恼人英雄 08/12 11:43
22F:→ firegsh :不去压他挡他 让他肥 最後就会被杀爆 08/12 11:45
23F:→ kknkjay :感觉HS用不同角色 实力比其他人不平均 08/12 11:51
24F:→ kknkjay :NID.CHO用得特别强 其他角相较下较弱 08/12 11:52
25F:→ kknkjay :然後比赛就很悲剧 场场被BAN MAIN 08/12 11:52
26F:→ kknkjay :回归主题.. 很喜欢ODD的攻略 超多咩咩尬尬 08/12 11:53
27F:→ kknkjay :很多细微的地方都讲得比很多攻略好很多 08/12 11:54
28F:推 firegsh :酱狗神不是白叫的 08/12 11:56
29F:推 kknkjay :极推荐就算还不主练JUNGLE的玩家也多看他教学RP 08/12 11:59
30F:→ kknkjay :可以学到好观念 多打几场在回头看可以理解学到更多 08/12 12:00
31F:→ milkteacup :队友每人都有一个法克u XDDDDDDD 08/12 12:02
32F:→ a12582002 :看到泡菜王大笑XD 08/12 12:03
33F:推 s1129sss :看到泡菜王大笑+1 XDD 08/12 12:17
34F:推 smallcoll :最喜欢hotshotgg最讨厌king of kimchi XDDDDDDDDDDDD 08/12 12:18
35F:推 coolboy16 :最後结论:FUCK YOU 08/12 12:19
36F:推 smallcoll :TSM到底是怎样,大家都互干 lol 08/12 12:26
37F:推 Wxu :请问一下 odd的jungle rp要去哪看 不胜感激 08/12 12:37
38F:推 firegsh :用/ ... 08/12 12:47
39F:→ kknkjay :Youtube上打theoddone就很多了吧 0wn3d印象也有 08/12 12:55
40F:推 Caplet :push~~ 08/12 12:57
41F:推 Dimitre :最喜欢HS最讨厌泡菜王XD 08/12 12:58
42F:→ Dimitre :还有讨厌雨人是怎麽回事 队友捏XD 08/12 12:59
43F:推 jeff82465 :Q:@#$%^&*()_ Ans:FUCK YOU! 08/12 13:17
44F:推 goldflower :哈哈哈 泡菜王XDDD 08/12 13:22
45F:推 a6021314 :怎麽每个回答都有f**k you啊XD 08/12 14:38
46F:推 vicklin :雨人实况是有看过他说的状况.. 08/12 15:17
47F:推 shadowdaj :又没有shaco!!! :( 08/12 15:30
48F:推 Stealer :也没有WW 08/12 17:10
49F:推 darklucker :推 Fuck you XDD 08/12 19:19