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标题[转录][ 王 ] 把AI设定为板凳杀手也许是个转机?
时间Tue Feb 3 16:39:08 2009
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作者: tc89 (StreetRock) 看板: Pistons
标题: [ 王 ] 把AI设定为板凳杀手也许是个转机?
时间: Tue Feb 3 01:01:10 2009
Pistons' best chance? Bring A.I. off bench
让AI从板凳出发,或许会是个新的转机 原文链结:http://0rz.tw/Fm8qP
BY MICHAEL ROSENBERG ‧ FREE PRESS COLUMNIST ‧ February 2, 2009
The Cavaliers beat the Pistons on Sunday, and this was predictable -- not
just the what, but the how. The Cavs spread the floor and ran the
pick-and-roll with LeBron James.
骑士在周日赢了,这不意外。
不是指活塞会输不意外,而是输的方式不意外。 --- 骑士利用LBJ打 PnR。
"The tough thing about it is you know what's coming," Tayshaun Prince said,
"and you still can't do anything about it."
小王子说「最糟的是,你知道他们要做什麽但你却只能眼睁睁看着他发生。」
Let that sentence sit for a moment.
恩,先搁下这个话题。
Now flip it around: When was the last time the Pistons were playing a good
team and their opponent knew what was coming but couldn't stop it? It rarely
happens anymore.
现在我们回想一下:
上一次活塞让对手无能为力是啥时了? 好像很久没这麽过了...
For years, you knew exactly how the Pistons were going to beat you. What is
their bread and butter now?
这几年来,你习惯的是一支随时都将击败你的活塞。而现在,活塞的吃饭家伙是什麽呢?
I don't know.
我不知道。
But I'll tell you what I think it should be: Rodney Stuckey, Rip Hamilton and
Prince.
但我告诉你我所想的答案是:
小史 + RIP + 小王子
They should be starting and finishing games together. All the pieces should
fit around them. And to explain why, let's go back to the moment this season
changed, when they traded Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson.
这个组合应该要是先发,也应该是最後用来让对手安心上路的球员。
球队目前所拥有的碎片似乎都适合他们。
我们来解释一下为什麽,先暂且将时光回朔到AI交易案发生那时。
President Joe Dumars did it for two reasons. One -- which Dumars openly
acknowledged at the time, and most people around here understood -- was for
salary-cap space starting this summer. The other reason was to give the
Pistons a better chance this season, or at least a "different chance". The
plan was never to give up on this season.
老杜这麽做有两个理由---首先第一点就是大家所知道的,为了清出今年暑假的
薪资空间。
而另一个理由,是希望活塞在这季有更好的表现,或
至少打出些新火花、新的化学效应。
本季,这个计画至今从来没有被放弃。
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Dumars thought he had made his franchise better now and later. (For what it's
worth, so did I.)
老杜认为,他让这支球队自此变得更好了。(我也和老杜相同看法,这是值得的。)
Well, they have played more than half a season. And it seems clear to me that
Stuckey, Hamilton and Prince give the Pistons the best chance to win now and
later.
但是,这新的阵容至今打了超过半季的比赛。对我而言很明显的,无论是现在或放眼未来
小史、RIP、小王子的组合给了活塞最棒的获胜机会。
That is not a knock on Iverson, who is doing his best to win a championship,
in the only way he knows how. But the Pistons look disjointed offensively.
这不是针对AI的指责,他本人也为了戒指正尽他所能、用他知道的方法在奋斗。
但活塞的进攻看起来似乎有些不妙。
Iverson dominates the ball too much when he has other great players on the
court with him. He and Stuckey can be electrifying in the open court, but as
Prince said, "Whenever we play a team and their offense gets going, it shows
that our offense slows down. They get their defense set, and that's where we
struggle."
当他有其他很棒的队友在场上并肩作战时,AI似乎太过於主导球了。他与小史的组合在
开场似乎可以很有劲。但小王子说「当我们其他人刚到位,他们已经开始发动进攻了。
这让我们的进攻看起来似乎有些迟缓。而攻守转替时,这正是目前我们问题所在。」
Iverson should not be starting instead of Hamilton. He should be a change of
pace, a lethal sixth man who destroys backup guards. He should be playing
with unselfish, athletic players like Jason Maxiell and Amir Johnson, using
all his energy in 25 minutes a game and looking for his shot as much as he'd
like.
AI不应该取代RIP成为先发。他应该扮演最佳第六人的角色从板凳出发来摧毁对方的替补
後场。他应该打得无私、像是Maxy、Amir,将小宇宙燃烧在那短短25分钟的时间内左右,
并且尽其所能的进攻。
This would be a bitter pill for Iverson to swallow. He is starting the
All-Star Game -- how can he come off the bench for his own team? But it is
necessary.
这对AI来说也许是帖苦药。他是明星赛的先发球员---他怎麽能在他的队伍是板凳身分?
但这是必要的。
Stuckey, who shot poorly Sunday but might be the Pistons' best player, should
have the ball when he is out there. Hamilton should play with Stuckey, the
only true point guard in the rotation.
小史,在周日的投射表现很糟(投9中2),但他可能是活塞最好的球员,他应该持有球。
RIP应该与小史搭配,他是活塞球员表中唯一真正的纯PG。
If it works, the Pistons can salvage something from this season.
如果这麽做可行,活塞也许还有机会在本季剩下的时间加减挽救些什麽。
And if it doesn't work? Then Iverson and Rasheed Wallace leave via free
agency and the Pistons try to land a big man to play with Stuckey, Hamilton
and Prince. And then it would have made even more sense to build around them
anyway.
如果这麽做没用? AI、溪蛙离开所创造的薪资空间可以让活塞试着找个长人来搭配小史、
RIP、小王子。而这让这组合成为活塞的核心,一切看起来更合理。
In the locker room Sunday, Iverson expressed hope. The Pistons are playing so
far below their potential that it is actually encouraging -- he knows they
can be better. But the contrast between Iverson and the longtime Pistons was
striking.
周日的球员休息室,AI表示出希望。活塞目前打得远不如他们该有的表现,这确实鼓励
了他们--AI知道我们都可以打得更好。 但和AI对比的是长久以来总是强悍的活塞。
Iverson said, "I still feel confident in my squad and my coaching staff" and
"we just have some letdowns here and there."
AI说「我仍然对我的队友、教练团队有信心。」我们不过是有一些些小失望。
When Prince was asked about the Pistons' confidence, he said "Low.
Frustrating. Whatever else falls into that category."
当小王子被问及活塞的信心时,他说 「Low. 挫折,尽是这类的狗屁东西。」
I asked Hamilton if he looks at the calendar, realizes it's February and
worries his team is running out of time.
我问RIP,如果他看着日历,了解到活塞的二月可能会是怎样,而且为了他们的球队
随着日子一天天过去而烦恼。
( 这位记者... )
"Oh, man," he said. "You don't want to lose, even though you're learning ...
it shouldn't be like this."
他说「Oh, man,」 你不会想要输球,即使你仍在失败中试着从中学习。
也不会是你说的那样子。
Yet Iverson remains confident. This makes sense, when you think about it.
AI仍然很有信心。 这很合理,当你认为事情应该如此。
Iverson is the only Piston who is used to playing with Allen Iverson. And he
is the only one who is used to floating around .500, hoping his team suddenly
starts to click.
AI是活塞阵中唯一一位总是和Allan Iverson在球场上作战的球员。
他是唯一一个战绩总是5成胜率左右的球员,他希望着他的球队能够开始步上轨道。
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这篇有一点点长,一直输球大家心情都很差
我自己难免讨论有时也会战意浓了些
先跟大家说声抱歉 --- 对不起了
如果有翻译错误请指正,避免不必要的战文 XD
温馨、专业的活塞板 Work Hard!!!
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1F:推 SmallLong:实际上我也觉得咖哩应该把AI放替补... 02/03 01:08
2F:推 sostan:最近战意算还好 之前连赢球都能战那才惨 02/03 01:08
3F:→ SmallLong:让A江婶,希蛙,RIP,小王子和史塔基打先发... 02/03 01:08
4F:→ SmallLong:让AI跟板凳搭配既可加强得分能力又比较少分球的问题 02/03 01:09
5F:→ twister527:MC应该不会这麽做...AI也不想... 惨... 02/03 01:09
6F:→ SmallLong:加上同时可以利用长人来弥补AI身高防守的问题 02/03 01:10
7F:→ SmallLong:说得也是..╮(﹋﹏﹌)╭..但是没有赢球,什麽都不是 02/03 01:10
8F:推 Rawallace:怎麽调整都打不赢 换AI去打替补试试看 反正最差也是这样 02/03 01:12
9F:推 arsenal14:大家都粉烦吧...早点休息罗...反正MC也不会理我们XD 02/03 01:16
10F:→ twister527:到时AI打太好 又疯了来个1大4小 那我会被气死... 02/03 01:17
11F:→ wayne1229:活塞都不活塞了... 02/03 01:18
12F:推 garfield000:史塔机不是纯控球吧= = 02/03 01:22
13F:推 momofishj:我也不觉得Stuckey是个纯控球 可能以前是吧XD 02/03 02:04
14F:推 brokenleg:AI替补也好 不要三卫了....小王子这样用不行啦 02/03 02:08
15F:推 wolftin:推外电.MC操AI这麽凶.那开赛五分钟就要换人 XD 02/03 02:34
16F:→ tc89:老实说 枪蜥刚在联盟闯荡也是疑似双能卫 所以到处碰壁 02/03 02:38
17F:→ tc89:小史确实有些影子 而且更高更强壮 爆发力、切入能力更强 02/03 02:39
18F:→ tc89:但是重点是 脑子有没有办法成长到枪蜥的境界 02/03 02:39
19F:→ brokenleg:枪西也磨了很久@@ 02/03 02:43
20F:→ tc89:这才是左右他能不能成为一个好PG的关键 02/03 02:44
21F:→ tc89:是啊...97-02都在到处流浪 02/03 02:44
22F:推 ohyeahbb:小史的PG魂回归活塞就多一份竞争力 AI在意的不是先发或替 02/03 02:53
23F:推 brokenleg:摆替补能赢的话打个几场AI也没关系吧 02/03 02:54
24F:→ ohyeahbb:补 而是关键时刻MC有没有把他摆在场上 况且活塞教练也好 02/03 02:54
25F:→ brokenleg:但是如果这样不赢那大概就爆走了 02/03 02:55
26F:→ ohyeahbb:球员也好 甚至是球迷 都知道替补≠二军 仍是球队重要的一 02/03 02:55
27F:→ brokenleg:其实老将都带伤这点也很不妙...Sheed RIP 王子好像 02/03 02:56
28F:→ ohyeahbb:环 这就是口中常喊的DETROIT BASKETBALL不是吗? 令我们为 02/03 02:56
29F:→ ohyeahbb:之动容的团队精神 02/03 02:56
30F:→ brokenleg:伤都没好到一个程度 AI伤就不用管他了=__= 02/03 02:57
31F:推 ohyeahbb:呵呵 AI带伤还是会死命嚷嚷着要上场吧 02/03 02:59
32F:推 pianostar:枪西之所以交易走 不就是因为有小史能替代他吗? 02/03 04:25
33F:→ pianostar:枪西之前是活塞的心脏 小史知道这颗心脏该怎麽运作~ 02/03 04:26
34F:→ pianostar:偏偏 AI的到来 使得四支都换了 心脏要怎麽作用@@ 02/03 04:27
35F:推 brokenleg:AI也才一只 02/03 04:30
36F:→ kzero0:怎麽运作 也是教练支配阿 其实球队脾气最差的是rip 02/03 04:53
37F:→ kzero0:叫他当板凳 也是乖乖当板凳 02/03 04:54
38F:推 brokenleg:AI脾气也很差吧XD Sheed我看是老油条了...剩脸凶而已 02/03 04:58
39F:→ twister527:AI不在意先发吗 觉得在意 不过很在意上场时间就是... 02/03 08:07
40F:→ twister527:记得有一场AI在场边做很久 第4节换他上来 他的动作就是 02/03 08:08
41F:→ twister527:表现出他的不爽... 要先发要场上时间要关键时刻 02/03 08:10
42F:→ twister527:什都要他 那RIP怎办... AI场上又不稳定 还要人用他... 02/03 08:12
43F:→ jj75520:SHEED现在感觉跟以前一样 好像都管不动的样子 02/03 08:22
44F:推 gggghhhh:想打的不用难道要用不想打的? 02/03 08:49
45F:→ gggghhhh:推AI板凳出发试试看 02/03 08:50
46F:→ tc89:而且谈到进攻囧掉,还有一个很大的隐忧就是我们没有正统的3分 02/03 10:11
47F:→ tc89:射手,我们现有的PG3分投射能力都有待加强。反而我觉得比较稳 02/03 10:11
48F:→ tc89:的是溪蛙、小王子。但是让他们去投射三分,篮板就... 02/03 10:12
49F:→ tc89:就像当初迎来小史时,大家就认为他应该要加强3分能力会更好 02/03 10:12
50F:推 freijaking:我用2K9王子和Sheed三分远不如Stuckey和AI 02/03 10:38
51F:→ goodtoy1229:最近很明显都输在第4节,这和AI或是Rip板凳出发并没有 02/03 11:10
52F:→ goodtoy1229:最直接的关系阿~这时Curry爱怎样排阵容就怎样排.. 02/03 11:10
53F:推 freijaking:安排就是打的好的高个子(Amir)下去陪夸米 02/03 12:23
54F:→ freijaking:话说再上一场Maxy少少打13分钟表现出色,这场Amir出色, 02/03 12:23
55F:→ freijaking:都打没多久,还没发现他们打的优秀吗!? 02/03 12:23
56F:→ freijaking:(不可能阿) 揪~~~~~~~~竟原因是什麽呢 02/03 12:24
57F:推 fish549:我比较想问fr大 你怎麽投的= = 我相反 02/03 16:35
58F:推 Paraguay:推!借转AI板 02/03 16:38
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59F:→ freijaking:不意外 02/03 16:42
60F:→ freijaking: 正夯 02/03 16:42