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标题: [专栏] 记者:吉巴使苦命成为勇士非必须的奢侈品
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原标题:Kawakami: The Butler trade made Jonathan Kuminga an inessential luxury f
or Warriors
By Tim Kawakami
Published Apr. 17, 2025 ‧ 7:56am
The very best thing that happened to the Warriors this season was also the very
worst thing that could’ve happened to Jonathan Kuminga’s Warriors career at th
is quite significant moment for everybody involved.
这个赛季对勇士队来说最好的事情,同时也可能是对 Jonathan Kuminga 的勇士生涯来说,
在这个对所有人都至关重要的时刻,最糟糕的发展。
Jimmy Butler arrived in February while Kuminga was out with a sprained ankle and
the Warriors changed in a way that essentially left Kuminga behind, even when h
e returned in mid-March. And in a way that, team sources acknowledge, confirmed
some things Steve Kerr had been weighing for a while.
Jimmy Butler 在二月加入球队时,Kuminga 正因脚踝扭伤缺阵,而勇士队的打法因此发生了
改变,某种程度上也让 Kuminga 即使在三月中复出後,仍被搁置在一旁。球队消息人士也坦
言,这样的变化某种程度上证实了 Steve Kerr 一直以来的一些考量。
That’s the simplest, broadest answer to two glaring questions as the Warriors h
ead into the first round of the playoffs: Why did Kerr completely bench Kuminga
in the last two enormous games? And does this mean that Kuminga’s time with the
Warriors is all but over?
这是对勇士即将进入季後赛首轮时,两个显而易见的问题最简单、也最广泛的解答:为什麽
Kerr 在最後两场关键比赛中完全弃用 Kuminga?而这是否也意味着 Kuminga 在勇士的时光
几乎已经走到尽头了?
In the short term, Kerr hasn’t ruled out playing Kuminga in the playoffs, espec
ially in this series against the extremely athletic Rockets. But Kerr has made i
t clear that Kuminga is behind Butler, Moses Moody, Gary Payton II, Buddy Hield,
and even Gui Santos in the wing depth chart. And with Butler averaging 44 minut
es in the last two games, there just aren’t many wing minutes left to divvy up,
anyway.
短期内,Kerr 并没有排除在季後赛中让 Kuminga 上场的可能性,尤其是在对上运动能力极
强的火箭队这个系列赛中。但他也已经明确表示,Kuminga 在侧翼轮替中的顺位落後於 But
ler、Moses Moody、Gary Payton II、Buddy Hield,甚至是 Gui Santos。而且考虑到 But
ler 在过去两场比赛中平均上场时间高达 44 分钟,侧翼可分配的上场时间本来就所剩无几
。
In the long term, Kerr has made his call: He isn’t waiting anymore for Kuminga
to figure out how to play with Curry and Butler and he doesn’t think it’s wort
h giving Kuminga guaranteed minutes just to keep him mentally engaged. If that’
s true now, of course it’ll probably be true this summer, when Kuminga will hit
restricted free agency. It’ll be true for as long as Curry, Butler, and Draymo
nd Green are the Warriors’ cornerstones — and all three of them are signed for
several more years and enormous dollars.
从长远来看,Kerr 已经做出了他的选择:他不再等待 Kuminga 去摸索如何与 Curry 和 Bu
tler 搭配,也不认为仅仅为了让 Kuminga 保持投入而给他保证上场时间是值得的。如果现
在是这样,那麽到了今夏 Kuminga 成为受限自由球员时,情况当然也很可能不会改变。只要
Curry、Butler 和 Draymond Green 仍是勇士的核心——而他们三人都已签下多年且金额庞
大的合约——这个情况恐怕就会一直持续下去。
This is a triple-down on veteran IQ and veteran willpower. This is accepting the
Warriors’ 24-8 finish (including Tuesday’s play-in victory over Memphis) as p
roof of Kerr’s concept. This is a full commitment to the players who fit with B
utler, Curry, and the rhythm the Warriors have established — and zero time and
patience to keep going with any player who doesn’t.
这是对资深球员智慧与意志力的三重押注。这是将勇士队24胜8败的收尾成绩(包括周二对灰
熊的附加赛胜利)视为 Kerr 球队理念成功的证明。这代表他们已全面投入於那些能与 But
ler、Curry 及球队既有节奏契合的球员身上——而对於那些无法融入的球员,则不再有任何
时间与耐心继续等待。
No blowup, just a breaking point.
不是突然爆发,而是到了临界点。
Multiple team sources said there was no big blowup between Kerr and Kuminga that
precipitated this. I’d even say that a loud argument might’ve helped the rela
tionship — or at least cleared the air. Why couldn’t Kerr just reduce Kuminga’
s minutes instead of giving him DNPs? Why did he go out of his way to flag this
situation? It seems drastic. It feels like a snap reaction.
多位球队消息人士表示,Kerr 和 Kuminga 之间并没有发生什麽激烈冲突导致这一切。我甚
至会说,如果真的有一场激烈的争执,或许还能帮助两人的关系——至少把话讲开了。那为
什麽 Kerr 不只是单纯减少 Kuminga 的上场时间,而是直接让他 DNP?他为什麽还特别去强
调这个情况?这看起来很激烈,也让人觉得像是一种突然的反应。
But really, this was a long, uncomfortable situation between two pretty stubborn
guys overdue to hit a breaking point. And things just broke.
但说到底,这其实是一个长久且不舒服的局面,两个颇为倔强的人早该达到临界点,而最终
事情终於崩裂了。
Over the years, Kuminga has tried to play the way Kerr wants, with some very cle
ar high points when he was ready to pass, cut, screen, rebound, and run the floo
r with force. Right before the ankle injury — and before Butler arrived — was
probably Kuminga’s best sustained run as a Warrior, when he averaged 31.1 minut
es, 21 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 7.2 free throws a game in December. But that wa
s also a losing run for the Warriors.
这些年来,Kuminga 试图按照 Kerr 的要求打球,并且在某些时刻展现出他准备好传球、切
入、掩护、争抢篮板并且积极跑动的高光表现。就在脚踝受伤之前——也就是在 Butler 加
入之前——那可能是 Kuminga 作为勇士队的一段最佳持续表现,他在 12 月的比赛中场均
31.1 分钟、21 分、6.3 篮板和 7.2 次罚球。但那段时间对勇士来说也是一段失败的时期。
And Kerr has tried to accommodate Kuminga’s 1-on-1 skills and look past his mis
takes. Before the Butler trade, the Warriors needed as many talented players on
the floor as possible. But accepting messy play is never going to be Kerr’s sty
le — he won’t hide his preference for simpler plays and savvier players.
Kerr 一直试图适应 Kuminga 的一对一技巧,并且忽略他的错误。在 Butler 交易之前,勇
士需要场上有尽可能多的有天赋的球员。但接受混乱的比赛风格永远不会是 Kerr 的风格—
—他不会掩饰自己对更简单打法和更聪明球员的偏好。
Once the Warriors started winning with Butler, once Curry showed what he could s
till do with a complementary superstar next to him, once Brandin Podziemski, Moo
dy, Quentin Post, and Santos raised their games to meet this moment, Kuminga see
med more and more like a luxury item that the Warriors could not afford to keep
putting out there.
一旦勇士队在有 Butler 的情况下开始赢球,一旦 Curry 展现出与另一位互补的超级巨星搭
档时仍能发挥的能力,一旦 Brandin Podziemski、Moody、Quentin Post 和 Santos 提升了
自己的表现来迎接这一时刻,Kuminga 看起来越来越像是一个勇士队无法负担继续派上场的
奢侈品。
Kuminga takes quick shots when Kerr wants everybody except Curry or Butler to ma
ke sure they’re thoughtful about moving the ball around and exploring every pos
sibility for Curry and Butler. And Kuminga can get lost on defense in this switc
hing scheme that puts a premium on making the right reads at the right time.
Kuminga 在投篮时太过急躁,而 Kerr 希望除了 Curry 或 Butler 之外的每个球员都能仔细
思考如何传球并为 Curry 和 Butler 创造更多的得分机会。而在防守方面,Kuminga 也容易
在这套需要即时判断的换防体系中迷失自己,这样的防守体系强调在正确的时刻做出正确的
判断。
Has Kuminga been the worst Warriors rotation player during the last month? No. E
ven when he’s struggling to fit in, he still can soar for breathtaking dunks or
barrel through the lane with soft left-handed finishes. But he’s the Warrior w
ith the worst net rating over this period and the player who sometimes just seem
s to get in Curry and Butler’s way.
Kuminga 在过去一个月内是勇士队表现最差的轮换球员吗?不是的。即使他在融入球队上有
所挣扎时,他仍然能够完成令人惊叹的灌篮或用柔和的左手突破终结。可是,在这段时间内
,他是勇士队净胜分最差的球员,有时候他似乎会妨碍到 Curry 和 Butler 的表现。
A few Warriors sources pointed to the Warriors’ huge victory in Memphis on Apri
l 1 as a turning point. That’s when Curry scored 52 points and the Warriors put
up 134 in maybe their most electric, connected game of the season. And it was a
game Kuminga missed with a pelvic bruise.
一些勇士队的消息人士指出,勇士在 4 月 1 日对灰熊的巨大胜利是转捩点。那场比赛中,
Curry 得到了 52 分,勇士队以 134 分的高分获胜,这可能是他们本赛季最具爆发力且最有
默契的比赛。而那场比赛 Kuminga 因为骨盆瘀伤而缺席。
Two games later, in another huge Warriors victory — over Denver at home on the
back end of a brutal back-to-back — Curry himself told Kerr that Santos should
close the game. Which he did, successfully. And who was the player Santos replac
ed? It was Kuminga, of course.
两场比赛後,在另一场勇士队的大胜中——在背靠背的艰难赛程中击败了丹佛——Curry 亲
自告诉 Kerr,Santos 应该在比赛末段上场。结果他确实成功地完成了这个任务。而 Santo
s 替换的球员是谁呢?当然是 Kuminga。
Then, going into the regular-season finale, Kerr and the coaching staff knew tha
t the Clippers defense was designed to swallow up ball-dominant players like Kum
inga. So they drew up a playing chart that didn’t include him. And even though
they lost a thrilling game in overtime, the Warriors felt like that was also one
of their best and most scintillating performances of the season.
接着,在常规赛最後一场比赛前,Kerr 和教练团知道快艇的防守是专门针对像 Kuminga 这
样的持球型球员设计的。所以他们制定了一张不包含他的战术表。尽管最终勇士在加时赛中
输掉了那场激动人心的比赛,但勇士队仍然认为那也是他们本赛季最佳且最具魅力的表现之
一。
A role in the Houston series?
在火箭系列赛中会有角色吗?
When Kerr was asked before Tuesday’s game whether he’d spoken to Kuminga about
the demotion or his acceptance of it, Kerr just quietly and slowly shook his he
ad.
当 Kerr 在周二的比赛前被问到是否和 Kuminga 谈过降低顺位或他对此的接受度时,Kerr
只是安静且缓慢地摇了摇头。
Later, Kerr gave this answer when asked if he’s worried about hurting a young p
layer’s confidence with this kind of stark decision: “I don’t factor that in.
… That’s regular-season stuff. When you go through the 82-game season, you fa
ctor in everything, you try to help everybody along. … When you get to the play
offs, everything goes out the window. You just try to win each game.”
稍後,当 Kerr 被问到是否担心这种突然的决定会伤害到年轻球员的信心时,他给出了这样
的回答:「我不会考虑这个问题……那是常规赛的事。当你经历了 82 场比赛,你会考虑一
切,试着帮助每个人……但当你进入季後赛,一切都抛到窗外了。你只是试着赢下每一场比
赛。」
Not surprisingly, Kuminga’s presence also has diminished in the locker room, wh
ich he’s exited swiftly without speaking to reporters for the last week, and th
e seats on bench, which he’s rarely used lately, preferring to spend his time a
mong other players in the tunnel to the locker room during games. Other than his
postgame shooting session on the Chase Center court long after Sunday’s game,
Kuminga’s basically been a ghost around the team — there, but barely seen, not
listened to, and definitely not counted on.
不出所料,Kuminga 在更衣室中的存在感也减少了,他在过去一周内迅速离开更衣室,并未
与记者交谈,而在比赛中,他很少坐在板凳上,通常更喜欢与其他球员一起待在通往更衣室
的隧道里。除了周日比赛後他在 Chase Center 球场进行的投篮练习外,Kuminga 基本上在
球队周围像个幽灵一样——在那里,但几乎不被看到、不被听见,当然也不被依赖。
Multiple Warriors people noted, however, that Kuminga has had several good games
against the Rockets and could play a role in this first-round series, which sta
rts Sunday in Houston, because he’s the one Warrior who can match and even atta
ck Houston’s length and athleticism.
然而,多位勇士队的消息人士指出,Kuminga 曾在对阵火箭的几场比赛中表现不错,并且可
能在这场周日开始的首轮系列赛中发挥作用,因为他是唯一能够匹配甚至攻击火箭队高度和
运动能力的勇士球员。
“He’s getting his work in,” Draymond said of Kuminga on Tuesday night. “That
’s all you can do in that situation is get your work in. And he’ll be meaningf
ul for us in that series. I have zero doubt about that. I think the challenge fo
r him is to stay mentally engaged, as it is for anyone in that situation. But I
have zero doubt in my mind that he’s going to help us in this series. He will,
1,000%.”
Draymond 在周二晚间谈到 Kuminga 时说:「他在努力工作。这就是在这种情况下你能做的
所有事情,就是继续努力。他在那个系列赛中会对我们很有帮助,我对此完全没有疑问。我
认为对他来说的挑战是保持精神上的投入,这对任何处於这种情况的球员来说都是一样的。
但我心中毫无疑问,他会在这个系列赛中帮助我们,他一定会,1000%。」
So things could change again. A couple of great moments in this series could rem
ind Kerr and everybody else that Kuminga is only 22 and still could project as t
he Warriors’ lead star in a post-Curry era. He’s one of Joe Lacob’s favorite
players for a reason.
所以情况可能会再次改变。在这个系列赛中,几个出色的瞬间可能会让 Kerr 和其他人重新
意识到,Kuminga 只有 22 岁,仍然有可能在後 Curry 时代成为勇士队的领军人物。他之所
以是 Joe Lacob 最喜爱的球员之一,是有原因的。
If Kuminga departs this summer, the Warriors would be banking everything on thre
e mid-30s players and a supporting cast specifically designed around them. It’s
good for now, but it’s fragile. How great will this look without Kuminga in tw
o or three years?
如果 Kuminga 在今年夏天离开,勇士队将把一切寄托在三名年龄在 30 多岁的球员身上,以
及围绕他们专门设计的支援阵容。这现在是可行的,但也很脆弱。没有 Kuminga 的情况下,
两三年後这样的阵容会是怎样呢?
But I can’t see Kuminga and Kerr finding a lot of common ground from here. I ca
n’t see the Warriors wanting to pay Kuminga anything close to market value — p
robably about $28 million a year or higher — if the coach doesn’t believe in h
im and the stars aren’t sure they want to be on the floor with him. I can’t se
e Kuminga wanting to stay here a second longer than it takes to figure out his n
ext team.
但我看不出 Kuminga 和 Kerr 从现在开始能达成太多共识。如果教练不信任他,而明星球员
也不确定是否愿意和他同场,勇士队应该不会愿意支付 Kuminga 任何接近市场价值的薪水—
—大约每年 2800 万美元或更高。我也看不出 Kuminga 愿意再待在这里一秒钟,除非他确定
了下一支球队。
The Warriors hate letting valuable assets go for nothing, and Kuminga is absolut
ely still an asset. Restricted free agency is complicated, so Mike Dunleavy woul
d have to work through a lot of things to get something worthwhile in return for
Kuminga. But the Warriors have had a lot of warning about this pending breakup.
So has Kuminga. These last few games have merely been the public notice.
勇士队不喜欢让有价值的资产白白流失,而 Kuminga 绝对仍然是个资产。受限自由球员市场
比较复杂,所以 Mike Dunleavy 需要处理很多事情,才能用Kuminga 换来有价值的资产。但
勇士队对这次即将到来的分手已经有了很多警示,Kuminga 也是如此。这些最後几场比赛不
过是公开的通知而已。
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看起来季中受伤的不是时候,导致没有时间磨合试错了,苦命真的好苦QQ
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1F:推 ccccccccccc: 感谢帮转~ 04/18 10:34
2F:推 kobebrian: 不适合就分手 04/18 10:35
3F:→ kobebrian: 该给的合约给出去就好 04/18 10:35
4F:推 Kai877: 就只能先签後换了 但问题是谁会要 04/18 10:36
5F:推 ccccccccccc: 希望苦命可以稳住心态 打火箭的时候把握住那一点点 04/18 10:37
6F:→ ccccccccccc: 时间 04/18 10:37
7F:推 vanassa: 希望火箭系列赛可以上 他们的尺寸和体能太可怕了 04/18 10:39
8F:推 enixsquare: 不管苦命留不留,都祝福他能打出好成绩 04/18 10:40
9F:推 kobebrian: 希望他能跟T-Mac一样 04/18 10:42
10F:推 kellenabc: 会跟公牛的Giddey同时双方都先签後换吗?勇士一开始选秀 04/18 10:43
11F:→ kellenabc: 不是就很想要Giddey,只是被雷霆拦截 04/18 10:44
12F:推 kellenabc: 就算季後赛会上也是垃圾时间,应该不会超过10分钟 04/18 10:49
13F:推 Knicksmelo: 公牛会想留及第 而且收进签换球员会触发硬上限 04/18 10:49
14F:推 kobebrian: 公牛如果想重建为什麽不自用及第 04/18 10:49
15F:→ kellenabc: 但到时是硬留JK也对双方都不好,现在都讲出来了,再留会 04/18 10:51
16F:→ kellenabc: 很尴尬吧 04/18 10:51
17F:推 kellenabc: 我只是觉得JK很可怜,早点分手比较好,在教练眼里JK的防 04/18 10:54
18F:→ kellenabc: 守竟然连巴蒂,善导寺都不值得信赖 04/18 10:55
19F:推 tapiola: 系列赛会找战况没那麽紧绷的空档帮吉巴减少负荷吧?!如果 04/18 10:55
20F:→ tapiola: 在那个机会点JK可以把跟团队的相容性找回来,就可能有更 04/18 10:56
21F:→ tapiola: 多时间。 04/18 10:56
22F:嘘 abc202000: Kerr这样搞还是恶心极了 苦命100%会离开 这个白痴教练1 04/18 10:58
23F:→ abc202000: 000%不会让苦命打火箭战 04/18 10:58
24F:推 AkiMegumi: 为什麽总有人想要用你不想要用的球员拿去换别队好用的 04/18 10:58
25F:→ AkiMegumi: 球员 这逻辑我想不通 今天签换 母队只有被坑或止损好 04/18 10:58
26F:→ AkiMegumi: 吗 以为是菜市场任任挑选吗? 04/18 10:59
27F:→ AkiMegumi: 君 04/18 10:59
28F:→ abc202000: 他这种话就是自打嘴巴 8D 善导寺差的时候 也不见你在 04/18 11:00
29F:→ abc202000: 那边DNP 04/18 11:00
30F:→ abc202000: 同意活该被坑 毕竟签换也要阿嘎跟下家同意 04/18 11:00
31F:→ ching169: 那就祝分手快乐吧 04/18 11:01
32F:嘘 abc202000: 反正勇士补强剩下操作苦命合约 科恶这样搞真不怕苦命 04/18 11:02
33F:→ abc202000: 拿QO搞Curry生涯末期喔 04/18 11:02
34F:推 samuel0330: 说过不知道多少次,jk不打出来,你要自用要补强都会 04/18 11:02
35F:→ samuel0330: 卡住。现在搞成这样,除非有人给抢劫,不然真的尴尬 04/18 11:02
36F:→ samuel0330: (讲难听,活该 04/18 11:02
37F:推 tapiola: 把一个晶片放在系统上,不是只考虑这个晶片的效能比其他 04/18 11:03
38F:→ tapiola: 晶片好或不好,晶片和系统的界面有最低要求。大概是这样 04/18 11:03
39F:→ abc202000: 我不是咒勇士什麽的 科恶这种方式搞人太恶心 tm都几年 04/18 11:03
40F:→ abc202000: 了 年年这样搞 04/18 11:03
41F:嘘 abc202000: Kerr就只会他那一套 讲白了他要另一个Iggy 不想养更不 04/18 11:06
42F:→ abc202000: 会养 04/18 11:06
43F:推 tapiola: 几年前攻守资源充沛时,好像是22年,勇士做到过不会连败 04/18 11:08
44F:推 henry4518: 实际在场上打球的人都觉得跟苦命不搭的话 也不用在那 04/18 11:09
45F:→ henry4518: 边喷Kerr了 吉巴一来马上为球队带来巨大影响力 反观苦 04/18 11:09
46F:→ henry4518: 命试了4年还在被DNP 只希望休赛季双方都找到适合的下家 04/18 11:09
47F:→ tapiola: 给任何一支球队两场(忘了季末有没有破功),对任何队型 04/18 11:09
48F:→ tapiola: 的对手都能拿出对策。这是证明过的事情,就算只有一套。 04/18 11:09
49F:推 LuxJason: 两边真的都不合的话只能季後给祝福了,让苦命去别队畅 04/18 11:13
50F:→ LuxJason: 打 04/18 11:13
51F:推 zyic: 拿QO还好吧,顶多DNP 04/18 11:14
52F:→ LuxJason: 或许在战绩压力比较小的球队容错试错空间也比较大 04/18 11:14
53F:→ zyic: 你说签换也要苦命愿意啊 04/18 11:14
54F:→ kobebrian: 钱给到位他干嘛不要 04/18 11:16
55F:→ kobebrian: 你以为他很想在这边打吗 04/18 11:16
56F:嘘 Sc30Fmvp: 那就分手吧 只是可惜遇到这种教练 自己心态别崩就好 04/18 11:20
57F:→ samuel0330: 只要能跑,他应该都会同意吧,待一秒感觉都难受。 04/18 11:22
58F:推 tapiola: 各自立场不同考虑的角度不同罢了。何必喷成这样?很损福 04/18 11:23
59F:→ samuel0330: 我是觉得到这步,整个球队就别在多说什麽了吧,说越 04/18 11:23
60F:→ samuel0330: 多越伤,用行动说明球队的决定就好了 04/18 11:23
61F:推 Sc30Fmvp: 就不知道高层怎麽想了 别忘了现在主动权在阿明身上 04/18 11:24
62F:→ Sc30Fmvp: 你现在只剩阿明这个补强手段 要真的搞到不爽拿QO 04/18 11:24
63F:推 kobebrian: 他这等级的球员 不要在勇士这种畸形阵容好歹也是个 04/18 11:25
64F:→ kobebrian: 先发 04/18 11:25
65F:→ Sc30Fmvp: 我就看你这低能教练要怎麽分配3老时间 04/18 11:25
66F:→ kobebrian: 勇士是爱投三分却只有一个射手 04/18 11:25
67F:→ Sc30Fmvp: 居然会觉得比不上8D 善导寺这种实力的 那也没办法 04/18 11:25
68F:→ kobebrian: 整队只有两个有攻筐能力的球员 其中一个就是刚刚提 04/18 11:26
69F:→ kobebrian: 到的那位射手 04/18 11:26
70F:→ Sc30Fmvp: 你现在除了GP2 可没有任何一个合格POA 加上护框能力 04/18 11:26
71F:→ kobebrian: 咖哩自己都要善导寺上场了那就拆夥啊 不只教练不爱 04/18 11:26
72F:→ kobebrian: 队友也不要 04/18 11:26
73F:→ Sc30Fmvp: 也不足 打快艇自己怎麽输的都不知道吗 04/18 11:26
74F:推 henry4518: 吉巴的到来其实证明了只要有对的人Kerr的体系还管用 04/18 11:27
75F:→ henry4518: 但确实也说明kerr只会这套 不管对上一堆矮子低天赋骰 04/18 11:27
76F:→ henry4518: 子球员都还是要硬打这套 04/18 11:27
77F:→ kobebrian: GP2还有身高的硬伤 遇到高大的持球大核就掰了 04/18 11:27
78F:→ kobebrian: 欸不是 给你一个超巨吉巴能证明什麽?他在公牛灰狼 04/18 11:28
79F:→ kobebrian: 热火全部都季後赛等级的 04/18 11:28
80F:→ kobebrian: 请问到底是科学家证明自己还是吉巴证明自己无论怎 04/18 11:28
81F:→ kobebrian: 样都能适应 04/18 11:28
82F:嘘 Sc30Fmvp: 照这低能教练的说法 那看来就是要继续3老48战术 04/18 11:40
83F:→ Sc30Fmvp: 那能赢球最好 不药又到时候3个人都没力 其他骰子球员 04/18 11:41
84F:→ Sc30Fmvp: 都投不进也无法攻框的情况下还继续冰阿明 04/18 11:41
85F:推 MosesMoody: 弱弱问个,这样Kerr跟管理层在新秀上是不是有不同调呀 04/18 12:01
86F:→ MosesMoody: 事後诸葛来看果然还是avdija, Wagner适合kerr(? 04/18 12:02
87F:→ MosesMoody: 毕竟Wiseman确定失败 kuminga...以目前在勇士状况.. 04/18 12:04
88F:→ kobebrian: JK出去其他队当合格先发没问题 就是勇士阵容自己很 04/18 12:05
89F:→ kobebrian: 畸形 04/18 12:05
90F:→ darkMood: 就像施洛德在篮网打先发打得非常称职,到勇士烂成什麽 04/18 12:54
91F:→ darkMood: 样子,为什麽? 就因为 阵容 v.s 专长 完全不合啊...... 04/18 12:54
92F:→ darkMood: kerr擅长的阵容,就是需要球商高/会投外线最重要....... 04/18 12:55
93F:→ darkMood: JK 就完全不合啊。而也不可能叫kerr 换另一套系统啊 04/18 12:55
94F:→ kobebrian: Kerr的系统现在是能多有竞争力? 04/18 15:31
95F:→ a034506618: 你要换掉kerr和系统,咖哩就不用想冠军了,这一套打 04/18 17:02
96F:→ a034506618: 这麽久,要老年哪里重新换一套,不太可能 04/18 17:02
97F:→ a034506618: *老年咖哩 04/18 17:02
98F:→ kobebrian: 喇叭都能转去打无球 咖哩为啥不能改 04/18 17:30
99F:推 zyic: 咖哩就一直打无球啊 04/18 17:31
100F:→ zyic: 咖哩还要改什麽 04/18 17:32
101F:推 kobebrian: 我的意思是喇叭都能从持球大核改打法咖哩为啥不能 04/18 17:37
102F:→ kobebrian: 改打法 04/18 17:37
103F:推 zyic: 那要改什麽啊 04/18 17:45
104F:→ kobebrian: 改什麽 改别一直玩跑圈圈啊 多打挡拆 做好防守 04/18 17:48
105F:→ kobebrian: 他不可能不会打挡拆吧 04/18 17:49
106F:→ kobebrian: 只要不拘泥於绕圈圈就可以不一定要嘴绿了 04/18 17:49
107F:→ kobebrian: 有正常能投三分的小前锋 勇士队形就不会被限制那麽 04/18 17:49
108F:→ kobebrian: 严重 04/18 17:49
109F:推 kaede0711: 找个本格派的3D侧翼 或是攻防、空间上更能支援三核心 04/18 17:57
110F:→ kaede0711: 的前场 可能更符合目前双核的需求 04/18 17:57
111F:→ kaede0711: 不过RFA的市场结构比较特别 所以很难预期最後的走向 04/18 17:58
112F:推 kaede0711: 近期典型的案例就是Ayton 有潜力 有闪光时刻 但球队或 04/18 18:01
113F:→ kaede0711: 教练也不完全满足他的成长跟表现 在RFA时以为会分手 04/18 18:01
114F:→ kaede0711: 结果最後多打了一季才被交易 04/18 18:01
115F:嘘 st8911012: 希望阿嘎能快乐打球,每一年都把我喜欢的球员送走,柯 04/18 18:17
116F:→ st8911012: 尔对阿嘎苛刻到一个我会反感的程度。反正我对勇士队没 04/18 18:17
117F:→ st8911012: 什麽期待了,会继续看真的就只是因为咖喱。为阿嘎嘘一 04/18 18:17
118F:→ st8911012: 个 04/18 18:17
119F:推 zyic: 咖哩挡拆也有打啊,上TJD鲁尼时都有打啊,还能传空接,咖哩 04/18 18:28
120F:→ zyic: 就什麽战术都打啊,要本格派能投3苦命也不是那个料,你要苦 04/18 18:28
121F:→ zyic: 命怎麽上,咖哩怎麽改,苦命都很难配合,要的要件就很难达 04/18 18:28
122F:→ zyic: 到 04/18 18:28
123F:推 andyroro2: 竟然不是Kuminga去适应Curry的体系 而是勇士的头号球星 04/18 20:13
124F:→ andyroro2: 要为了Kuminga去改变自己的打法吗 04/18 20:13
125F:→ andyroro2: 这有点奇怪吧 04/18 20:13
126F:推 j3307002: 科瑞冰库明加让他交易价值变低,与其强留交易不出去, 04/18 20:17
127F:→ j3307002: 不如直接放弃比较明智 04/18 20:17
128F:推 kobebrian: 是科学家只会一套打法的问题 他讲求空间但球队现在 04/18 20:53
129F:→ kobebrian: 因为卡了一个嘴绿一个吉巴射手又只有一个 怎麽打他 04/18 20:53
130F:→ kobebrian: 那一套 04/18 20:53
131F:→ Sc30Fmvp: 奇怪 有个整天造谣阿明要领2XXM的顶薪造谣仔在乱呢 04/18 21:48
132F:→ Sc30Fmvp: 放掉你就没薪资包补强了 干嘛不乾脆给高一点 04/18 21:49
133F:→ Sc30Fmvp: 你到时候要交易也好凑薪资阿 04/18 21:49
134F:推 Sc30Fmvp: 是跟某QO仔一样很怕勇士有薪资包可以补强喔? 04/18 21:52
135F:推 RicoAndy: 苦命的硬伤就是无法投三分,然後会无脑持球往前冲….. 04/20 23:23