作者ostracize (bucolic)
看板Eng-Class
标题Re: [文法] 补述用法的that前面出现逗号(经济学人)
时间Sat Nov 7 20:59:25 2020
※ 引述《tucson (tucson)》之铭言:
: 补述用法的that前面出现逗号(在经济学人)
: http://www.economist.com/node/21689514/print
: These suck the propellant up by capillary action, obviating
: the need for pumps. The propellant itself is
: a substance known as an ionic liquid, that consists of positive
: and negative ions which can be separated by passing a current
: through the liquid and then, because they are electrically
: charged, accelerated by an electric field. (Both current and field
: are supplied by a battery on board the satellite.)
: 看来 补述用法/限定用法 中that 加上逗号 越来越被接受了
: 说that不可以用在补述用法/非限定用法的人
: 是不是觉得比经济学人的编辑更懂英文呢?
Huddleston and Pullum (The Cambridge Grammar of Modern English, 2002. p1052)
say that "who" and "which" are normally used in non-restrictive clause, but
add that some speakers do accept "that."
I use "who" and "which," but accept "that."
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1F:→ sadlatte: 我看到会觉得很怪 怪到不确定对不对 所以都叫学生改掉XD 11/07 22:55
2F:→ PPmYeah: 事实上这里(句)用that不奇怪, 而且是最佳解(比起用which) 11/07 23:51
3F:→ PPmYeah: 作为关代的that在使用上确有一些限制, 并有其原理, 但很 11/07 23:52
4F:→ PPmYeah: 可惜大多流於教条式背诵 11/07 23:53
5F:→ PPmYeah: 这句用that比用which好的其中一个原因是下文出现which,前 11/07 23:56
6F:→ PPmYeah: 用that可避免连用两次which 11/07 23:56
7F:→ PPmYeah: 并且以这句情况, 采, that的限缩范围能较, which 小/精准 11/07 23:59
8F:→ sadlatte: 我没看完全文 但是我的话可能会调换 看来我就是无法接受 11/08 00:16
9F:→ sadlatte: 的那一派XD 11/08 00:16
10F:→ PPmYeah: 像原句这种情况采that的频率, 通常比which高 (原因是另个 11/08 00:38
11F:→ PPmYeah: 故事了) 11/08 00:39
12F:→ PPmYeah: 其实只要回答此句,that 是指代 substance 或 ionic liqid 11/08 00:40
13F:→ PPmYeah: 大概就知道对此句的理解差异了 11/08 00:41
14F:→ PPmYeah: 这里如果用which, 就像我上文说的, 又多开了一个代指前文 11/08 00:42
15F:→ PPmYeah: 整句的可能性(而这种可能性在为求精准写作时宜避免) 11/08 00:42
16F:→ PPmYeah: 因此此句先出现that 才出现which 是最合理且精确的写法 11/08 00:46
17F:→ sadlatte: 我怎麽看都一样阿... 两个都指substance(know as...) 确 11/08 10:49
18F:→ sadlatte: 实有可能指liquid但是我觉得这不是文法可以判断的 一般 11/08 10:49
19F:→ sadlatte: 来说这种是语义文意去判断 如果要讲清楚我可能会放两个 11/08 10:49
20F:→ sadlatte: 逗号或者整句改写避免误解 因为放逗号就变补述了 我仔细 11/08 10:49
21F:→ sadlatte: 想想这边文意上来说不会指液体? 虽然有可能指的是iconi 11/08 10:49
22F:→ sadlatte: c liquid 但这就是那个substance啊 cuz it’s known as 11/08 10:49
23F:→ sadlatte: iconic liquid? 11/08 10:49