推 Soulchild:It is raining soon的争议应该是在於此句表示说者能决定 02/07 02:47 → Soulchild:会下雨(但事实上自然下雨的情况can't be planned 於是违 02/07 02:48 → Soulchild:反了futurate前提) 而It will rain soon或It's going to 02/07 02:49 → Soulchild:rain soon本来就没有表示说者有决定会下雨的authority 02/07 02:50 顺便回你,之前没回,因我实在觉得没啥好回的,而非: 故意不回. Tina: statement 1 只要Mary认同statement 1, 就是certainty. 她就应该用when. 无关statement 1到底是否为正确预测推断. 也 无关说者是否能决定到底会不会下雨, 因为本来就没有任何人可以决定到底会不会下雨. it's raining soon 的意思本来就不是一定一定一定会下雨. 不知道为何你会有这种问题, 不知道为何有人一直要讲,当说出it's raining soon这句话时, 这句的本意就是指: 一定会下雨. 说者难道是雨神? 至於为何用when较好? 已有5位教授回答. → Soulchild:请先厘清"It's raining soon"的问题之後再来讨论吧 02/15 23:01 1. You can say that because rain is a certainty, the issue is "when," rather than "if," because "if" implies a question about whether or not there will be rain, and here there is no question. Professor Maria Damon University of Minnesota, Twin Cities 2. Yes. Soon is the adverb that tells you that it WILL rain sometime in the future. Thus, "When" is correct. Professor Esther Schor Princeton University 3. I suppose that "It is raining soon" states definitely that rain will fall, so that the coming rain is not an "if" but a "when." In conversation, you could hear either, though.. Professor Nicholas Watson Harvard University 4. "It is raining soon" means that it is not yet raining, but will be soon. Therefore, answer A ("Because") is wrong, since the sentence "Because it rains, go into the building" implies that it is already raining. Answer C (If) is wrong, since the sentence "If it rains, go into the building" suggests that it might rain, whereas you know that it is definitely going to rain. ANswer D (However) is wrong, because the sentence "However it rains, go into the building," does not make much sense. Therefore B is the best answer. Professor James Wood Harvard University 5. B is the only possible answer; the other possibilities produce incorrect syntax. Professor James Simpson Harvard University -----------------分隔线----------------- tengharold:Does this sentence make sense? "It is raining soon." tengharold:It doesn't make sense to me, but I can't find a grammar tengharold:rule against it. → Soulchild:这原本就不是口语用法或正式用法的问题 这是语意上产生 02/15 23:02 → Soulchild:争议的句子 如果说还是不懂的话 就先思考以下这个句子 02/15 23:03 → Soulchild:"The Knicks are defeating the Lakers tomorrow"的含意 02/15 23:03 我觉不用了, 要也是可以, Copley论文(The Plan's the Thing)第2页, (1)b. # The Red Sox defeat the Yankees tomorrow. (2)b. # The Red Sox are defeating the Yankees tomorrow. The sentences in (1b) and (2b) improve markedly in a context where it is presupposed that the winner can be decided ahead of time, for instance, if we are allowed to consider the possibility that someone has fixed the game. 如果你看不懂可以去问你的英文老师. 还要辩吗? 甚至"The Plan's the Thing" 存不存在文法错的问题? 这是完美符合标准文法吗? 目前我看不出你举了任何例证,就随便丢个两三篇,强调好像你比较看得懂Copley的论文 辩论不是这样辩的! 我甚至怀疑你真得是本科系要钻研语言学吗? 没错,Copley的论文是我提出的,但是tengharold并没有回答我先提出的问题 1.future orientation是否存在比重高低问题?future orientation绝对绝对绝对不存在? 2. It is raining tomorrow/soon两者皆可解读为may !? 要辩语言学可以,但希望程度不要落差太大. 我有我的credit, 不用你来认可我! 我不想打迷糊战, 就直接挑战原句(it is raining soon). 你不敢吗? It is raining soon. "这是语意上产生争议的句子" ??? !!! 6. Yes, "It is raining soon" could be said and make perfect sense depending on context. Professor John Watkins University of Minnesota, Twin Cities 如所说是争议的句子, 结果Prof Watkins居然还在make perfect sense. 6位教授实在是错的乱七八糟 ! --

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