圣经没有分神的国和天国？ 推 springxx: 我只知道圣经有提过 三层天 没听过有分天国跟神国 08/23 01:13 → springxx: 你们还真敢讲 08/23 01:13 嗯。。。。。。建议S大好好补补英文，否则，会很难看的。 当然，我先声明：逼人，在下，区区，不才。。。。非常乐意看见对於地方召会的批判。 不过，希望批判者(或者【想要做师傅】的人士)能够具有【最起码】的神学素养，否则，会很难看的。 言归正传。【天国】在英文里是【kingdom of heaven】。【神的国】是【kingdom of God】。以下是相关的【部分】经文，请S大参考。 ============================ Matthew 18:3 and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 19:23 And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 16:19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven." Mark 4:26-29 And He was saying, "The kingdom of God is like a man who casts seed upon the soil; and he goes to bed at night and gets up by day, and the seed sprouts and grows--how, he himself does not know. "The soil produces crops by itself; first the blade, then the head, then the mature grain in the head. read more. Topics on Kingdom Of Heaven Matthew 13:44-46 "The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid again; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking fine pearls, and upon finding one pearl of great value, he went and sold all that he had and bought it. Matthew 13:31-43 He presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field; and this is smaller than all other seeds, but when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that THE BIRDS OF THE AIR come and NEST IN ITS BRANCHES." He spoke another parable to them, "The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three pecks of flour until it was all leavened." read more. Matthew 13:47-52 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind; and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away. "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, read more. Matthew 25:14-30 "For it is just like a man about to go on a journey, who called his own slaves and entrusted his possessions to them. "To one he gave five talents, to another, two, and to another, one, each according to his own ability; and he went on his journey. "Immediately the one who had received the five talents went and traded with them, and gained five more talents. read more. Matthew 25:1-13 "Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. "Five of them were foolish, and five were prudent. "For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, read more. Matthew 22:1-14 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. "And he sent out his slaves to call those who had been invited to the wedding feast, and they were unwilling to come. read more. Matthew 13:24-30 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. "But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. "But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. read more. Matthew 20:1-16 "For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. "When he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius for the day, he sent them into his vineyard. "And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the market place; read more. Matthew 18:21-35 Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?" Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. "For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. read more. Luke 8:10 And He said, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND. Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." Mark 10:14 But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, "Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Matthew 19:23-24 And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Mark 10:23 And Jesus, looking around, said to His disciples, "How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!" Luke 18:29-30 And He said to them, "Truly I say to you, there is no one who has left house or wife or brothers or parents or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God, who will not receive many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal life." Mark 4:30-34 And He said, "How shall we picture the kingdom of God, or by what parable shall we present it? "It is like a mustard seed, which, when sown upon the soil, though it is smaller than all the seeds that are upon the soil, yet when it is sown, it grows up and becomes larger than all the garden plants and forms large branches; so that THE BIRDS OF THE AIR can NEST UNDER ITS SHADE." read more. ============================== Psalm 47:7-8 For God is the King of all the earth; Sing praises with a skillful psalm. God reigns over the nations, God sits on His holy throne. 1 Samuel 12:12 "When you saw that Nahash the king of the sons of Ammon came against you, you said to me, 'No, but a king shall reign over us,' although the LORD your God was your king. 1 Chronicles 16:31 Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice; And let them say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." 1 Chronicles 28:5 "Of all my sons (for the LORD has given me many sons), He has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel. 1 Chronicles 29:11-12 "Yours, O LORD, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the victory and the majesty, indeed everything that is in the heavens and the earth; Yours is the dominion, O LORD, and You exalt Yourself as head over all. "Both riches and honor come from You, and You rule over all, and in Your hand is power and might; and it lies in Your hand to make great and to strengthen everyone. Psalm 9:7-8 But the LORD abides forever; He has established His throne for judgment, And He will judge the world in righteousness; He will execute judgment for the peoples with equity. Psalm 45:6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom. Psalm 93:1-2 The LORD reigns, He is clothed with majesty; The LORD has clothed and girded Himself with strength; Indeed, the world is firmly established, it will not be moved. Your throne is established from of old; You are from everlasting. Psalm 103:19 The LORD has established His throne in the heavens, And His sovereignty rules over all. Psalm 145:11-13 They shall speak of the glory of Your kingdom And talk of Your power; To make known to the sons of men Your mighty acts And the glory of the majesty of Your kingdom. Your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, And Your dominion endures throughout all generations. Isaiah 37:16 "O LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, who is enthroned above the cherubim, You are the God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth You have made heaven and earth. Daniel 4:34-35 "But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; For His dominion is an everlasting dominion, And His kingdom endures from generation to generation. "All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And among the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand Or say to Him, 'What have You done?' Isaiah 51:4-5 "Pay attention to Me, O My people, And give ear to Me, O My nation; For a law will go forth from Me, And I will set My justice for a light of the peoples. "My righteousness is near, My salvation has gone forth, And My arms will judge the peoples; The coastlands will wait for Me, And for My arm they will wait expectantly. Mark 15:43 Joseph of Arimathea came, a prominent member of the Council, who himself was waiting for the kingdom of God; and he gathered up courage and went in before Pilate, and asked for the body of Jesus. Luke 23:51 (he had not consented to their plan and action), a man from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who was waiting for the kingdom of God; --

※ 发信站: 批踢踢实业坊(ptt.cc), 来自: 117.19.6.222 ※ 文章网址: https://webptt.com/cn.aspx?n=bbs/Christianity/M.1503931502.A.6A4.html ※ 编辑: df31 (117.19.6.222), 08/28/2017 22:50:31 不如，您告诉我monkey和man是同一个东西？ 不知道谁『真敢讲』：『我只知道圣经有提过 三层天 没听过有分天国跟神国 你们还真敢讲』 别『转移话题』，『前面』敢讲的话，希望您『现在』仍然敢讲！ 一个是：βασιλε το θεο 另一个是：βασιλε τh οlανh 您要不要告诉大家那个是那个？:)) 嘻嘻，S『非常可爱』！我们要好好『宝爱』他！耶！ 顶！很多人没注意，然後就跳出来开炮！：P ※ 编辑: df31 (117.19.6.222), 08/29/2017 10:23:38 ※ 编辑: df31 (117.19.6.222), 08/29/2017 10:31:49 本来就是。明明不一样还说一样，不是装呆就是指鹿为马。：）） 难！您没看台湾改革宗还写了一本：写给向地狱狂奔的亚米念主义者！：P 顶！确实，天国（或诸天的国）只出现的马太。如果仔细看上下文，都与基督的君王职分有关。这是马太福音的一大特色。当然，连带『天国』，也只有马太福音使用『天国的福音』这个词。 这些『细节』就看讨论双方的『功力』了。功力不足，往往看不见细微之处的差异。另一个是『父神（God the Father）』和『神与父（God and Father）』，因为和合本没有察觉这个细节对於系统神学和释经学的重要性，往往只翻译为『父神』，导致中文的释经书与英文的释经书对同样经文的同样词出现完全不同的解释外，还忽视了这个词表现的基督的神人二性的分别。 失之毫厘的结果，往往会吓死人的！:)) ※ 编辑: df31 (117.19.6.222), 08/29/2017 12:41:46 建议您不要浪费时间在『某君』身上。:)) ※ 编辑: df31 (117.19.6.222), 08/29/2017 12:50:38 Eno都嘲笑『某君』专门『收割』。您看看，我们的讨论他贡献了多少？到讨论的差不多的时候，他就一副专家+法官的架势出来指点江山了。。。。何必花时间在他身上？:P ※ 编辑: df31 (117.19.6.222), 08/29/2017 12:54:22 我是这麽认为：就如同耶稣的三重职分--君王，祭司，先知。从一个角度而言，都是指耶稣；在这个基础上，你当然可以说，君王就是祭司，也就是先知。但是，从另一个角度而言，你却不能把君王，祭司和先知混为一谈，否则，圣经为什麽要使用【三个不同的称呼】来称呼耶稣。 同理，（诸）天国和神的国都是对於【一个】国度的不同称呼，说两者是一个，也不是不可以；（不过，要提出理由；如S的做法，则不可取。）但是，找出神的国和（诸）天的国的使用原则的不同，恐怕才是更有挑战的。 不过，在地方召会的传统中，会把神的国（诸）天国，和千年国视为三件不同的东西就是了。 (这三段应该回答了前面的问题。） 当然，各位应当注意各方面解经传统的不同。大部分的教会现在的解经传统都是历史/文法，通常碰见这种细微的（不认可或无法解释的）分别，都采取『大而化之』的态度；地方召会采用的是寓意/灵意/启示为主的解经法，对於这种『细节』具有非常大的热情。:P 嗯。。。。如果大家愿意，也可以把『圣约神学』（强调新旧约的‘统合性’，所以倾向於把什麽都统合起来，视为一体）和『时代论』（强调新旧约的不同，喜欢把什麽东西都放在一起比较，找出差异性。）的张力也很自然的体现在这个题目的讨论中。 ※ 编辑: df31 (117.19.6.222), 08/29/2017 15:41:41 建议可以找找不同解经家的资料来做比较啊！：） ※ 编辑: df31 (117.19.6.222), 08/30/2017 01:10:33